Didn't catch missing recording for mutant, Basically just hard nerfed recoil wise, still shoots good ammo and solid up close, was debatably best gun in game last patch but this patch its not nearly as good, kinda of same with rd704, feels decent with canted sight right now too.
once you get workbench built in hideout you can use weapon presets to mod guns and you can see the best attachments. theres definitely some new additions in regards to attachments but most old builds will be close to if not meta right now.@@chriszedame7723
Jesus. Finally, a real tier list. Agreed on all. Note on SKS: there is a rear dust cover with a full size rail, most flush there is. Makes the SKS and OP-SKS the exact same gun.
It’s insane how this tier list makes no sense, but not because Desmond is wrong, he’s spot on with this list. BSG has completely lost it with this wipe lmao
@@DesmondPilak bsg logic “ let’s make the most expensive guns to run trash and let’s make all the budget guns be meta while they’re still stock” but hey at least burgerbob75 thinks he likes the new recoil
At about 1:06:01 there’s a pretty gnarly audio pop that’s pretty loud in headphones. Not sure what there is to do about that but just thought I’d let you know. Keep up the great work, Des. Been loving the vids and the streams.
Never thought I'd see the pkm/pkp rated higher than the rpd, but as an lmg main, I can't help but agree being it's mostly the same but with bigger bullets!
Hey man, don't hate on the double barrel "Rat Cannon", I've killed more than a couple of unsuspecting Chads with that thing! Great option for a near-zero cost Factory poverty loadout to actually start getting some money and gear together between scav runs.
The AUG is a really solid sleeper hit of a weapon, especially considering the A1 is available from PK1 (although the 30s aren't available until PK2 you can buy three sell two or something to get the mags if you're pre-flea still). It's probably the gun I'd point a new player who wants to use that 855 they got as efficiently as possible. The lack of optic options is a bit sad but that 1.5x isn't all that bad.
Some interesting choices compared to other people who made tier lists. Personally I feel there's a noticeable difference at least with RSASS/G28 compared to M1A and SR-25. I like running these semi-autos a decent bit and G28 is definitely the most spammable out of them with RSASS coming in close second and SR/M1A far, far behind. MDR obviously is just straight up better than all these guns outside of the canted gimmick which I hope they fix/change the unpennable arms thing because it's fairly annoying at times.
Surprisingly mostly agree with this, although the aug should be lower, probably the sks too. Those guns I feel like are a bit overrated because of how much worse they were last wipe. MP7 should be waaayy higher though, if you shoot are thorax height it will either instakill or just float straight up to the head and kill. Insane how many accidental kills that guns has got me. Only weakness is the ammo restocks and ranges more than like 60 meters
The AUG is S tier it costs nothing and has 42 recoil just out of the gate A fully modded M4 with cost of 1mill cant get recoil under 50. it feels so good to shoot its the best 5.56 this wipe. u can litterly 4x spray with moderate pull back and hit targets consistently only - is the ergo.
The MP7 has been slapping this wipe. Honorable mention would be MP9 as well. For only shooting AP 6.3 it drops people pretty fast... Must be because of the plates not working half of the time.
In defense of the APB: It's the best gun for dumping a couple mags at spawn to raise your recoil control skill. You can then drop it anywhere and almost certainly get it back from insurance. Also, it's good for shooting out lights in night raids if you are running an unsuppressed main weapon for some reason. P ammo is only 14 Rubles per round from Prapor 1.
MP9-N with AP is my budget Labs gun. Tap firing 4-5 round bursts before the kick starts it fires flat and pops people pretty well. Definitely not top tier but I have a lot of fun with it
Completely agree with virtually the entire list to the tee. My most used weapon by far (and so far the only weapon with which I've consistently killed 2 and 3-mans as a solo) has been the OP-SKS this wipe. It's almost stupid how good the gun is now, although it wasn't even bad in previous wipes either imo. Really the only drawback is in CQB situations due to the long length and lower overall volume of fire, but even that isn't usually a huge deal, as long as you're using good ammo (AP/BP/PP) you can even wipe all of Factory a decent amount of the time. I usually kit it out with the UAS chassis and stock, although even these aren't 100% necessary, but I like the drip factor, it just looks so sick and further helps with ergo and recoil. I'll put a suppressor on it, an Elcan 1-4x, the 35-rd mags, and call it a day. My second most used gun this wipe is the SA-58. Same story as the SKS, except with the addition of the shorter barrel and full-auto fire being more viable for CQB. The funny thing is both of these guns seem criminally underrated this wipe, there's only been a handful of times that I've picked up an SKS or SA-58 off a dead PMC, usually the geared guys are still running HKs and and M4s. Which is fine with me, it leaves me with a less saturated/expensive flea market with which to mod my SKS and SA-58 lol. And my honorable mention goes to the ADAR. Found myself using it far more than the M4 lately, it just feels so smooth and has proven more effective for me at winning gunfights lately, so it's worked its way to the top of my list too. Which is odd because in previous wipes virtually my entire top 3 consisted of only full auto weapons, and I never used to use semi auto weapons, but that may also be because I've grown a bit as a player and have better aim now, so sheer volume of bullets downrange is less important to me now, I rather have semi auto weapons with high accuracy and high pen and just make sure I hit my shots. List is completely on point and I've watched a few of these from other people, I think this one is the most based and realistic to what I've experienced this wipe.
Have you tried the SAGs this wipe? 30-40k for the gun, 60k in mods for an absolute BROKEN piece of machinery. You can constantly put the whole 30 rounds into the A-zone during fast as possible firing. Semi auto is absolutely cracked this wipe. Haven’t tried the SA this wipe bc of level (don’t have much time to play anymore :/ ) but once I get there I’m running to it. Used to be my fav gun when it was good. It’s a literal dream that it’s good again. Recoil patch is unironically so good. I wanna share this Adar build w you, super high ergo, suppressed, great recoil. Gen 3 Upper, Long URX handguard with panels, 13.7” barrel, MK12 GB, SF4P flash hider with a mini monster, DBAL, RVG grip, F1 Sty1 pistol grip, ATP buffer, DS150 stock, front and rear irons, ACOG with piggybacked RMR. This thing isn’t cheap but MAN is it drip certified and shoots like a charm
Interesting. I'm only level 21 and my AK 103 build was 1:1 for long range recoil conpared to the SKS build (i dont have all the SKS parts available). The SKS did perform much better initially but that was before I kitted them out price to performance with the parts I have available. 7.62x39 PS GZH from a scoped AK-103 seems like the hardest hitting thing i can buy for my long range shoreline/woods tasks. Really like the adar and Sag ak tho!
@CeizoBro I haven't used the SAGs at all yet, I'm gonna have to try em out. And thanks for the ADAR template, when I get home from work I'm gonna build one out exactly as you specified. I have a ton of extra money right now anyway (usually I only have a couple million roubles to my name, I'm a poor in Tarkov lol), but last night during a scav raid I found that "room 314" rusted looking key, and only after I extracted I realized it was worth 4 million on the flea lol. So I sold it, it was like a little Tarkov lotto ticket for me. It is now the most expensive item I've ever found in raid in 2 yrs of playing this lol.
I was going to say you forgot to put the mutant in a tier, but with the nerf I would put it with all the other AKs. Glad you out the HK above the M4. HK is much cheaper to build to make it good. Maybe the ergo suffers more than the M4 depending on the build, but the HK feels, to me, way better than the M4. Great video though. Agreed with alot of what you put what guns where. Wish they gave the 545 ammo a slight damage buff.
A tier list video from a highly skilled player, Who has also put out the best guide I've ever watched on movement??? What have we done to deserve this?
Only thing I would change is the T-5000 would be right under the DVL since you can change your scope zoom without other players hearing the click sound in case you are zoomed and hear someone sneaking up, and the scope barely moves when you chamber the next round compared to other boltys.
I agree with almost everything on this list, but the changes I would make is moving Val with sp6 to S tier, Rsass m62 up to A tier, lots of smgs up to A tier: mp7, mpx, p90, both vectors (assuming best in slot ammos), I would move tx-15 and adar down one tier because I don't think they're super practical with the 5.56 ttk, but they are both head tap machines. Overall, the rankings are really spot on. Nice vid.
Val is fantastic if you play in a squad. If you're solo vs a squad, getting maybe two mags out before jamming due to overheating is not going to work. I would never rate it as a flat S tier, situationally S tier sure.
RSASS, SR-25 and G28 basically all have the exact same stats when fully modded (ignoring prices). M1A underperforms vs them but has the option of 30 rounders which can maybe offset it (or 50 rounders if you're psychopath)
@@real_evin I totally understand that the stats may look similar but each weapon has hidden recoil stats that control how the weapon feels. The Rsass in this case has superior hidden recoil stats compared to the SR-25, M1A, and G28. G28 is a close second for being the best but the Rsass feels significantly better then the 3 other options.
BSG: nerfs all good guns into the r ground Nikita One month later: *“BLYAT. Why are these fuckers making an SKS meta? This is not a modern tactical weapon!”*
Desmond I'm surprised by the M4-- shooting 5 round bursts this thing doesn't move at all even with minimal attachments. Even full auto, it's gotta be B at least
As a new player videos like this def helps. Gonna try out those guns. Been using Adar lately and i like it. In mid range fights timmy like me mag dumped and missed most of his shots on me and starts reloading i just keeping shooting. In close range RNG def favors automatics unless i'm very good at aiming (but i'm not).
I think you're being too generous with PKM and PKP tbh. I would put it in C tier because 1. The accessibility of them is atrocious like have fun killing kaban and his extra guards in the most unoptimized trash map and not get exit camped by hacker lol. 2. Both pkm and pkp over heat and jam like crazy because 7.62x54 r heat and malfunction chances are absolute bonkers like lol I had jam on 98 durability pkm with SP BT ammo after shooting 50 or so rounds like wtf I mean it's LMG let me atleast fire 100 rounds.. 3. They take shit ton of storage space (6x3) And the ammo is only feed by ammo box which only fits in certain rigs limiting you in terms of gear and speaking of which thing weighs 11kgs and you're already on your way to being over weight. And also because of it unless you have injectors farming loot isn't gonna be easy. Lastly the ammo price and stock limit makes it difficult to buy decent ammo (T-46M or LPS) for it.
Now do a Budget tier list please!!! :D Actually if i can be bold in my recommendations; Budget gun tier list (can be a short one, only the relevant stuff you can mod cheap and have an effective weapon) and also complete budget loadout (gun, armour, meds, etc.) for the level 20 ish !!! Thank you so very much
The one thing about this wipe that feels weird to me is using any gun other than an S tier, i feel like im wasting money trying to use a gun for fun like a decked out m4 instead of an aug. Im happy they dont rebalance guns midwipe that much but next wipe they really need more meta variety.
Actually very informative vid. The inconsistency in performance between guns of the same caliber is wild to me. Any guns that shoot the same rounds should only be marginally better or worse than eachother for recoil IMO.
Really agree with your rankings for all of the guns I've used. Going from ADAR to SKS felt like an upgrade and I was looking for the next step in semis but nothing felt any better than the SKS. I kinda expect it to get a nerf but I'll enjoy it for now!
Hard disagree on the M4 placement. In my experience with it so far, this wipe has actually made it much easier to control than previous ones. Especially at the beginning of the wipe, running a completely stock M4 actually felt pretty good in stark contrast to what it used to be (that is, basically unusable). And the bit about a best-in-slot build costing 500k might be true if you're buying everything from the flea, but from traders it's just over 300k, which is a pretty decent price for what is essentially a meta weapon. The only real problem I have with M4s and 5.56 in general is how iffy the ammo can be. 56a1 seems to do the trick for the most part, but the fact remains that you're essentially peppering them with bullets that don't deal much damage. I'd take guns like the MCX .300 blk or SA-58 over an M4 in most scenarios, but I still think the M4 is a top-tier weapon, or at least an A tier weapon.
PB should be higher. If youre running a loud AR and need a cheap sidearm that needs no modding, it lets you take out scavs in one shot headshot, thing is the quietest gun in the game.
ive been enjoying mp9 alot this wipe the only issue ive been running into is mag capacity, and ive tried mpx but mp9 just hits different with that rpm and also 210 ap bullets per reset that doesnt get insta sold is a nice bonus, other than that 762 mdr and hk are my go to guns and spear feels like just op at least the bullets
think mp9-N deserves at least B tier. 1100rpm is crazy and the recoil is good. now the regular mp9 they yellowish one is mid but the mp9-N is a great weapon.
I honestly think the N is worse because the fire rate, like perfect world where you hit every shot its better but that doesn't happen and makes gun wobble around more while shooting.
i think the pp-19 is probably the best gun for its price tag,get a trash dovetail for 8-12k and its good to go, 30 k investment for a gun thats a laser out the gate, yes its an smg and wont perform at range in pvp but u can still snipe scavs from range p easily
Personally disagree with the makarov and PB placement. I don't know what it is with the drum, but I just get serious work done with those things. I've many times performed better with my backup drum makarov than I have with my rifle, depsite only bringing it in case I ran outta ammo in my mag during a firefight. Things have saved me so many times, and I just can't say the same for any other pistol, regardless of how much I like SR-1MP
I know there are alot videos like this, but i think its nice to see lists coming from top tier pvp'rs thank you for taking your time to share your knowledge. glad to get some confirmations on some of my choices for weapons latley. all in all great, i don't see the black scar in here, i havnt really looked much into scars, but i guess its the same as the fde
And I'm glad they listened to the players/reddit. Because no one uses the SKS as it is. 4k hours, 12kdr and I main Woods. The map where you're most likely to see an SKS. And I can't remember the last time I got got smoked by one, or won over a guy who had one. They start disappearing around mid, and late wipe. Nerf it, and you'll never come across it at all with the exception of perhaps wipe day. The reason the gun will never truly be meta is that it simply has no full auto function, and there's plenty of guns that basically do what the SKS do with the addition of being viable in CQB.
basically agree with the entire tierlist, I don't think Id move any guns unless Iiked one more than the other. I'd go as far as to say this is the correct tier list
Didn't catch missing recording for mutant, Basically just hard nerfed recoil wise, still shoots good ammo and solid up close, was debatably best gun in game last patch but this patch its not nearly as good, kinda of same with rd704, feels decent with canted sight right now too.
Any build recommendations or guide on how we can build out our guns?
the new wilcox boss sight also seems good on the eye whole to run.
@@chriszedame7723 there's a million build guides out there for every gun he put in s tier
@@aprofessionalateverything7585 The only issue is that most videos and guide are years old... hard to tell if its relevant for this wipe
once you get workbench built in hideout you can use weapon presets to mod guns and you can see the best attachments. theres definitely some new additions in regards to attachments but most old builds will be close to if not meta right now.@@chriszedame7723
someone stop him - he's turning meta. next up is an armor hitbox video and then a Streets loot guide! QUICK! BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!
Hehehe I got what I wanted😈😈😈
incomplete without a waffle comment
wtf didnt know woolie played tarkov like that
Woolie do u tarky
devious lolllll @@jacobdoolan4978
Yes to more vids like this. Ive learned so much from your pvp guides as a 10k hr player
we got a desmond tier list video before gta 6
for the record you can mount scopes on the normal SKS now. They added a mount.
didnt know that
Jesus. Finally, a real tier list. Agreed on all. Note on SKS: there is a rear dust cover with a full size rail, most flush there is. Makes the SKS and OP-SKS the exact same gun.
It’s insane how this tier list makes no sense, but not because Desmond is wrong, he’s spot on with this list. BSG has completely lost it with this wipe lmao
I mean if it was up to me half the C tier guns should be S tier, the balance this wipe is completely backwards
@@DesmondPilak bsg logic “ let’s make the most expensive guns to run trash and let’s make all the budget guns be meta while they’re still stock” but hey at least burgerbob75 thinks he likes the new recoil
@@BJ-117 pretty much
Thanks for the update.
Just sold all the SR25s, RSASSs and G28s collecting dust in my stash.
finaly a non-biased tier list. ty from the deep of my heart. best tierlist i have seen yet.
Hi Desmond, can you please move the revolver shotgun to S tier? Please and thank you (great vid btw)
tempting
This is probably the best weapon tier list i've seen
MP9--N with PBP and someone who can actually aim is A tier at least for value alone - 1100RPM laserbeam. Great list brother.
At about 1:06:01 there’s a pretty gnarly audio pop that’s pretty loud in headphones. Not sure what there is to do about that but just thought I’d let you know. Keep up the great work, Des. Been loving the vids and the streams.
yeah that bug with recording only happens in my renders so i cant catch it until upload, rarely ever happens idk what causes it.
Super useful. Especially when you show the screen with all the mods that you have mounted on.
damn literally all my top picks this wipe are s tier thought it was just me that thought these all just felt really good
Never thought I'd see the pkm/pkp rated higher than the rpd, but as an lmg main, I can't help but agree being it's mostly the same but with bigger bullets!
Hey man, don't hate on the double barrel "Rat Cannon", I've killed more than a couple of unsuspecting Chads with that thing! Great option for a near-zero cost Factory poverty loadout to actually start getting some money and gear together between scav runs.
The AUG is a really solid sleeper hit of a weapon, especially considering the A1 is available from PK1 (although the 30s aren't available until PK2 you can buy three sell two or something to get the mags if you're pre-flea still). It's probably the gun I'd point a new player who wants to use that 855 they got as efficiently as possible. The lack of optic options is a bit sad but that 1.5x isn't all that bad.
Some interesting choices compared to other people who made tier lists. Personally I feel there's a noticeable difference at least with RSASS/G28 compared to M1A and SR-25. I like running these semi-autos a decent bit and G28 is definitely the most spammable out of them with RSASS coming in close second and SR/M1A far, far behind. MDR obviously is just straight up better than all these guns outside of the canted gimmick which I hope they fix/change the unpennable arms thing because it's fairly annoying at times.
should have linked the playlist so we could revise/send to friends
oh boi thank you for ordering this video F thru S instead of individually cos those are a pain to navigate
Surprisingly mostly agree with this, although the aug should be lower, probably the sks too. Those guns I feel like are a bit overrated because of how much worse they were last wipe. MP7 should be waaayy higher though, if you shoot are thorax height it will either instakill or just float straight up to the head and kill. Insane how many accidental kills that guns has got me. Only weakness is the ammo restocks and ranges more than like 60 meters
The AUG is S tier it costs nothing and has 42 recoil just out of the gate A fully modded M4 with cost of 1mill cant get recoil under 50.
it feels so good to shoot its the best 5.56 this wipe. u can litterly 4x spray with moderate pull back and hit targets consistently only - is the ergo.
Best tarkov tier list ever more content like this
Blackout is crazy. Same rpm as an m4 and with the recoil buff it's not as floaty as last wipe. Paired with cbj you tear through people so quickly
The MP7 has been slapping this wipe. Honorable mention would be MP9 as well. For only shooting AP 6.3 it drops people pretty fast... Must be because of the plates not working half of the time.
The way you track in shooting range man ❤
Yes to more vids like this.
In defense of the APB: It's the best gun for dumping a couple mags at spawn to raise your recoil control skill. You can then drop it anywhere and almost certainly get it back from insurance. Also, it's good for shooting out lights in night raids if you are running an unsuppressed main weapon for some reason. P ammo is only 14 Rubles per round from Prapor 1.
MP9-N with AP is my budget Labs gun. Tap firing 4-5 round bursts before the kick starts it fires flat and pops people pretty well. Definitely not top tier but I have a lot of fun with it
ran it a little, def kills with face taps
Completely agree with virtually the entire list to the tee. My most used weapon by far (and so far the only weapon with which I've consistently killed 2 and 3-mans as a solo) has been the OP-SKS this wipe. It's almost stupid how good the gun is now, although it wasn't even bad in previous wipes either imo. Really the only drawback is in CQB situations due to the long length and lower overall volume of fire, but even that isn't usually a huge deal, as long as you're using good ammo (AP/BP/PP) you can even wipe all of Factory a decent amount of the time. I usually kit it out with the UAS chassis and stock, although even these aren't 100% necessary, but I like the drip factor, it just looks so sick and further helps with ergo and recoil. I'll put a suppressor on it, an Elcan 1-4x, the 35-rd mags, and call it a day.
My second most used gun this wipe is the SA-58. Same story as the SKS, except with the addition of the shorter barrel and full-auto fire being more viable for CQB. The funny thing is both of these guns seem criminally underrated this wipe, there's only been a handful of times that I've picked up an SKS or SA-58 off a dead PMC, usually the geared guys are still running HKs and and M4s. Which is fine with me, it leaves me with a less saturated/expensive flea market with which to mod my SKS and SA-58 lol.
And my honorable mention goes to the ADAR. Found myself using it far more than the M4 lately, it just feels so smooth and has proven more effective for me at winning gunfights lately, so it's worked its way to the top of my list too. Which is odd because in previous wipes virtually my entire top 3 consisted of only full auto weapons, and I never used to use semi auto weapons, but that may also be because I've grown a bit as a player and have better aim now, so sheer volume of bullets downrange is less important to me now, I rather have semi auto weapons with high accuracy and high pen and just make sure I hit my shots.
List is completely on point and I've watched a few of these from other people, I think this one is the most based and realistic to what I've experienced this wipe.
Have you tried the SAGs this wipe? 30-40k for the gun, 60k in mods for an absolute BROKEN piece of machinery. You can constantly put the whole 30 rounds into the A-zone during fast as possible firing. Semi auto is absolutely cracked this wipe. Haven’t tried the SA this wipe bc of level (don’t have much time to play anymore :/ ) but once I get there I’m running to it. Used to be my fav gun when it was good. It’s a literal dream that it’s good again. Recoil patch is unironically so good. I wanna share this Adar build w you, super high ergo, suppressed, great recoil.
Gen 3 Upper, Long URX handguard with panels, 13.7” barrel, MK12 GB, SF4P flash hider with a mini monster, DBAL, RVG grip, F1 Sty1 pistol grip, ATP buffer, DS150 stock, front and rear irons, ACOG with piggybacked RMR.
This thing isn’t cheap but MAN is it drip certified and shoots like a charm
Interesting. I'm only level 21 and my AK 103 build was 1:1 for long range recoil conpared to the SKS build (i dont have all the SKS parts available). The SKS did perform much better initially but that was before I kitted them out price to performance with the parts I have available.
7.62x39 PS GZH from a scoped AK-103 seems like the hardest hitting thing i can buy for my long range shoreline/woods tasks. Really like the adar and Sag ak tho!
@CeizoBro I haven't used the SAGs at all yet, I'm gonna have to try em out. And thanks for the ADAR template, when I get home from work I'm gonna build one out exactly as you specified. I have a ton of extra money right now anyway (usually I only have a couple million roubles to my name, I'm a poor in Tarkov lol), but last night during a scav raid I found that "room 314" rusted looking key, and only after I extracted I realized it was worth 4 million on the flea lol. So I sold it, it was like a little Tarkov lotto ticket for me. It is now the most expensive item I've ever found in raid in 2 yrs of playing this lol.
@@DeathscytheBleh you can barter a best in slot UAS SKS from mechanic 2 for 3 weapon parts.
@@thisnameistemporary6434 ur a legend
Other content creators puts a lot of your D or C tier guns at the top. It's interesting to see different opinions
If you did a kappa walkthrough that would be sick af would probably take a shit ton of time though
I know it's not good, but the sawed-off is so fun. I've taken down many kitted PMCs with a well-placed buckshot
Also, I been sayin the STM-9 is C tier and fun to use. SOLID list.
new tarkov iceberg video dropped
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I was going to say you forgot to put the mutant in a tier, but with the nerf I would put it with all the other AKs. Glad you out the HK above the M4. HK is much cheaper to build to make it good. Maybe the ergo suffers more than the M4 depending on the build, but the HK feels, to me, way better than the M4. Great video though. Agreed with alot of what you put what guns where. Wish they gave the 545 ammo a slight damage buff.
Finally the AUG and the SMGs that I have always loved get some proper buffs 🎉
A tier list video from a highly skilled player, Who has also put out the best guide I've ever watched on movement???
What have we done to deserve this?
Des your insight is invaluable. Thank you for making content like this. Was entertained and educated!
Fuckinnnnn sick. A tier list that’s got dumb amount of experience behind it lol thanks good sir. I’m ready for this list
Thank you! That is really helpful to new players like me
Only thing I would change is the T-5000 would be right under the DVL since you can change your scope zoom without other players hearing the click sound in case you are zoomed and hear someone sneaking up, and the scope barely moves when you chamber the next round compared to other boltys.
I agree with almost everything on this list, but the changes I would make is moving Val with sp6 to S tier, Rsass m62 up to A tier, lots of smgs up to A tier: mp7, mpx, p90, both vectors (assuming best in slot ammos), I would move tx-15 and adar down one tier because I don't think they're super practical with the 5.56 ttk, but they are both head tap machines. Overall, the rankings are really spot on. Nice vid.
Val is fantastic if you play in a squad. If you're solo vs a squad, getting maybe two mags out before jamming due to overheating is not going to work. I would never rate it as a flat S tier, situationally S tier sure.
RSASS, SR-25 and G28 basically all have the exact same stats when fully modded (ignoring prices). M1A underperforms vs them but has the option of 30 rounders which can maybe offset it (or 50 rounders if you're psychopath)
@@real_evin I totally understand that the stats may look similar but each weapon has hidden recoil stats that control how the weapon feels. The Rsass in this case has superior hidden recoil stats compared to the SR-25, M1A, and G28. G28 is a close second for being the best but the Rsass feels significantly better then the 3 other options.
ya had me till the adar in a tier - guess i am just a c tier kinda guy and that is ok with me
226 was my stirrup gun for this wipe. great little gun
“Dad, can I borrow some money and go to the flea market?”
“Why son”
*”Because I need to upgrade my shooting range, Desmond told me to train my aim!”*
Aimlab is free 😂
Sweet video Des!
Really amazing video. It’s hard to keep track of what is good/bad after every wipe, and you’re putting in work testing it all out. Appreciate it.
BSG: nerfs all good guns into the r ground
Nikita One month later:
*“BLYAT. Why are these fuckers making an SKS meta? This is not a modern tactical weapon!”*
Desmond I'm surprised by the M4-- shooting 5 round bursts this thing doesn't move at all even with minimal attachments. Even full auto, it's gotta be B at least
Definitely YES, more vids like this! Great content as always
I’ve killed sniper scav on customs with the STM all the way from big red lol had to aim so damn high above him up on that white tower
sawed off goated. Run around woods like a maniac. So much fun
As a new player videos like this def helps. Gonna try out those guns. Been using Adar lately and i like it. In mid range fights timmy like me mag dumped and missed most of his shots on me and starts reloading i just keeping shooting. In close range RNG def favors automatics unless i'm very good at aiming (but i'm not).
I think you're being too generous with PKM and PKP tbh. I would put it in C tier because 1. The accessibility of them is atrocious like have fun killing kaban and his extra guards in the most unoptimized trash map and not get exit camped by hacker lol. 2. Both pkm and pkp over heat and jam like crazy because 7.62x54 r heat and malfunction chances are absolute bonkers like lol I had jam on 98 durability pkm with SP BT ammo after shooting 50 or so rounds like wtf I mean it's LMG let me atleast fire 100 rounds.. 3. They take shit ton of storage space (6x3)
And the ammo is only feed by ammo box which only fits in certain rigs limiting you in terms of gear and speaking of which thing weighs 11kgs and you're already on your way to being over weight. And also because of it unless you have injectors farming loot isn't gonna be easy. Lastly the ammo price and stock limit makes it difficult to buy decent ammo (T-46M or LPS) for it.
Does he not know? It's "Let's crack strait into it"
Now do a Budget tier list please!!! :D Actually if i can be bold in my recommendations; Budget gun tier list (can be a short one, only the relevant stuff you can mod cheap and have an effective weapon) and also complete budget loadout (gun, armour, meds, etc.) for the level 20 ish !!! Thank you so very much
Hospital tier list next please? I smashed like so hard i broke my finger
Absolutely love the education content. Keep it up king
The one thing about this wipe that feels weird to me is using any gun other than an S tier, i feel like im wasting money trying to use a gun for fun like a decked out m4 instead of an aug. Im happy they dont rebalance guns midwipe that much but next wipe they really need more meta variety.
agree, weird buying budget guns that outperform 500k guns
Actually very informative vid.
The inconsistency in performance between guns of the same caliber is wild to me. Any guns that shoot the same rounds should only be marginally better or worse than eachother for recoil IMO.
yeah doesn't make much sense, especially because max trader expensive ones of same caliber will be worse than early game cheap gun
great video Des! See you on twitch
Not only do I want to see this video, I want to see everything about you and your acting is simply the best
we need more aim tips build vids and tier list 100%
Great video, explanations on your choices are solid.
"like steadiness when shooting" So like this thing called recoil
mainly talking about floaty guns "sr2" low recoil still terrible
Really liked the video! Wouldn't mind a couple of attachment recommendations for the S tier weapons in a video!
Really agree with your rankings for all of the guns I've used. Going from ADAR to SKS felt like an upgrade and I was looking for the next step in semis but nothing felt any better than the SKS. I kinda expect it to get a nerf but I'll enjoy it for now!
W vid des, I've run the VPO-209 with .366 AP this wipe and even if its not meta it absolutely destroys anybody.
love that you're doing this type of content now... keep em coming bro *pausepausepause*
The long reload time on the SKS kills it for me. Reloading during healing or changing to melee is the only way to do it in the middle of a fight.
MP-18 also counts for budget shooterborn kills 👍
Hard disagree on the M4 placement. In my experience with it so far, this wipe has actually made it much easier to control than previous ones. Especially at the beginning of the wipe, running a completely stock M4 actually felt pretty good in stark contrast to what it used to be (that is, basically unusable). And the bit about a best-in-slot build costing 500k might be true if you're buying everything from the flea, but from traders it's just over 300k, which is a pretty decent price for what is essentially a meta weapon. The only real problem I have with M4s and 5.56 in general is how iffy the ammo can be. 56a1 seems to do the trick for the most part, but the fact remains that you're essentially peppering them with bullets that don't deal much damage. I'd take guns like the MCX .300 blk or SA-58 over an M4 in most scenarios, but I still think the M4 is a top-tier weapon, or at least an A tier weapon.
cant get good enough bullets for m4 late wipe
Great vid bro, love watching the late night streams!
Your take on the M4 is crazy to me, it’s such a laser. Idk how you think it got nerfed, the recoil is way better
A fellow ADAR/TX15 with a 2x enjoyer! They're so damn good!
PB should be higher. If youre running a loud AR and need a cheap sidearm that needs no modding, it lets you take out scavs in one shot headshot, thing is the quietest gun in the game.
100% agree black mdr is no 1
ive been enjoying mp9 alot this wipe the only issue ive been running into is mag capacity, and ive tried mpx but mp9 just hits different with that rpm and also 210 ap bullets per reset that doesnt get insta sold is a nice bonus, other than that 762 mdr and hk are my go to guns and spear feels like just op at least the bullets
Aug a3 actually has better base stats than the a1.
if youre talking about the invisible stats this was undone so both are same now
think mp9-N deserves at least B tier. 1100rpm is crazy and the recoil is good. now the regular mp9 they yellowish one is mid but the mp9-N is a great weapon.
I honestly think the N is worse because the fire rate, like perfect world where you hit every shot its better but that doesn't happen and makes gun wobble around more while shooting.
i think the pp-19 is probably the best gun for its price tag,get a trash dovetail for 8-12k and its good to go, 30 k investment for a gun thats a laser out the gate, yes its an smg and wont perform at range in pvp but u can still snipe scavs from range p easily
1:06:01 Oh shit someone's coming in from the right
weird audio bug, never happens until i render videos so i will never catch this while editing, rarely happens tho
THE SAWED OFF IS S TIER AND THE SHORT ONE IS S TIER
Black MDR is ridiculous this wipe
somebody please show this vid to the doc so he can never use a pump shotgun again
Good stuff Des. Keep it up brother.
Nice seeing you make this content
Personally disagree with the makarov and PB placement. I don't know what it is with the drum, but I just get serious work done with those things. I've many times performed better with my backup drum makarov than I have with my rifle, depsite only bringing it in case I ran outta ammo in my mag during a firefight. Things have saved me so many times, and I just can't say the same for any other pistol, regardless of how much I like SR-1MP
I know there are alot videos like this, but i think its nice to see lists coming from top tier pvp'rs thank you for taking your time to share your knowledge. glad to get some confirmations on some of my choices for weapons latley. all in all great, i don't see the black scar in here, i havnt really looked much into scars, but i guess its the same as the fde
bsg was going to nerf the sks (deserved) but then reddit cried and shitted and pissed at the same time and it got reverted
And I'm glad they listened to the players/reddit. Because no one uses the SKS as it is. 4k hours, 12kdr and I main Woods. The map where you're most likely to see an SKS. And I can't remember the last time I got got smoked by one, or won over a guy who had one. They start disappearing around mid, and late wipe. Nerf it, and you'll never come across it at all with the exception of perhaps wipe day.
The reason the gun will never truly be meta is that it simply has no full auto function, and there's plenty of guns that basically do what the SKS do with the addition of being viable in CQB.
im edging to this video rn
basically agree with the entire tierlist, I don't think Id move any guns unless Iiked one more than the other. I'd go as far as to say this is the correct tier list
"Just no real reson you would ever use them over the other pistols" Me, roleplaying as a cowboy: 😡 Say that again, i dare ya..
Awesome vid, well done! could you do an armor and helmets/masks tier list aswell?
potentially
Yes axmc is doggo this wipe for sure ive hit multiple shots on same targets and they just do not care
W pk ranking, atleast with max strength
Always nice to hear these rankings from one of the very best to play.
good video. one of these per wipe seems like a good consideration
Super Hyped for this video!