The most beautiful camera I ever owned. (Digital XPan DIY) | Panoramic Photography
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- The Hasselblad XPan was a film camera that used to produce stunning panoramic photos using an extra wide negative format. Coupled with quality Hasselblad lenses it used to produce amazing panoramic images. Sadly I sold my XPan many years ago but I still wanted the experience of a digital XPan…
Photo credit for images of the XPan and manuals: Copyright Hasselblad.
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Thank you for this interesting video. There is something really nice about the 65:24 format, and your panoramic shots look nice.. On a Fuji GFX, at least, you can directly choose a 65:24 aspect ratio for your jpeg shots and the viewfinder will automatically switch to this view.. If you shoot in both raw and jpg on your Fuji, your raw shot will still be full frame, which means you have the option of reframing later (and can use the jpeg shot to remind you of your original framing).
Yes I dream of owning a GFX 100s!! :)
Easily done with a 50r and some vintage glass as well… also the 50sii has dropped in price recently… much more attainable.
Maybe one day - i would love something like that :)
Dude! I was randomly recommended this video, and I went down to give it a like. I was expecting views in the 10s of thousands, not in the hundreds. Underrated channel and content, keep it up
Thankyou!!!! :) I had another channel with a mix of filmmaking and photography but I decided to have a dedicated photography channel and move some vids across - this is actually one of my favorite videos I've ever made too :)
I had the exact same reaction!!! AMAZING idea, execution and amazing production quality sir! Keep these up and the channel will definitely grow quickly!! Cheers!
@@getjcn Thanks so much Joseph - I really appreciate your kind words :)
Same here! Thanks for the inspiration and greetings from Bielefeld, Germany
@@AlexKahl Thanks Alex - and hello from Western Australia :)
I think your Sony will let you set a 6x4 grid that divides the OVF/EVF in 4 vertically - composing a shot between any pair of vertical divisions will give you a 1:3 ratio that's near as dammit 1:2.7, but has the advantage that you're not limited to the centre strip of the frame, so you can frame using the upper or lower half of the viewfinder to help avoid converging or diverging verticals. You can also freely swap between panoramic and full frame, in fact the divisions will let you compose 5:4 and square format too.
Great Idea! I do like the feeling of the physical black card over the LCD though :) :)
I purchased the Fuji GFX50Sii so I could shoot in 65:24. It’s why I moved over to Medium format. Strangely, after years of watching RUclips your channel popped up. Refreshing channel! I’ve just subscribed. Plan to search your library for other interest driven videos. I’m located outside Tokyo (recently retired from Chicago). Cheers!
Yes I would love a 100s for that same reason - thanks for subscribing - I am hoping to visit Japan in the next couple of years :) :):
Why camera manufacturers don’t give us the option to shoot like this in camera is beyond me
Yeah - I would love to have a custom aspect ratio setting on my a7R IV that also lacks out the top and bottom rather than just putting aspect lines!
The Fuji GFX offers this aspect ratio. The resulting jpg is 30 mega pixels out of the 51.4 mega pixel sensor. A 30mm lens offers the same view as the 45mm on the XPan. You can also shoot 24x65mm negatives on 35mm film with the Mamiya 7 and the special pano adapter. Although the Mamiya is just as expensive as the XPan, you get a MF camera to boot. The special pano adapter is hard to find and expensive for what it is.
@@photobobo yeah, I know, and cameras like the Sigma DP Quattro also give you the option.
But still, for how many cameras there are, how few have it, and how easy of a thing it would be to implement, it’s pretty stupid it isn’t a default feature.
That Sony doesn’t offer this - it would cost them nothing - is really dimwitted.
all panasonic full frame cameras gives you the option to shoot in this ratio
is that really so hard for manufacturers just add additional aspect ratio? its a bummer that everybody should do things like this
Yeah it would be nice to be able to setup custom ones :) :)
Worth noting that medium format Fujifilms do support the XPan aspect ratio built-in. However, I honestly don't understand why camera manufacturers won't let you set a custom aspect ratio.
Thanks - yeah I would love a GFX 100s and use it in "xpan mode" :) It's a bit out of price range though!! Maybe fuji will send me one haha :)
Also - the Panasonic Lumix S range full frame mirrorless cameras support the same 65:24 "XPan" ratio. Thats the S5 and the S1 for starters, and the S1R is a high res 40mp so that model in particular retains a fairly healthy file size even post-crop
@@frankmylove7343 Thanks Frank :)
I use a 50s with a 24mm canon tse, both secondhand.
Grabbed this stuff because I am getting priced out of my g617 film cost.
Love shooting in this aspect ratio.
One tip:
65:24 compositions seem particularly sensitive to scenes with both a near subject as well as a far point of interest.
Best is near, mid and far, but those are rare.
Thanks for the tips :) :)
Nice video. I use the square grid option in the display to help with framing. As cropping is done in post anyway, just having that as a guidance (it 6:2 squares, so aspect is slightly wider than 1:2.7) is good enough for me. And I can quickly toggle it on and off and switch to other "modes" of photography. But would be nice if Sony offered custom aspect ratios.
Hi Felix - what a great tip! Thanks :) The thing i like about the black cardboard is it somehow draws you into the image when your composing it - might sound silly haha :)
This theory work for CROP. we need 41mm for sensor according to the formula of ratio 2.7:1 . Let's count.
25mm (width of APS-C) * 2.7(ratio) = 40.5mm lens. It must for on APS-C sensor (15mm*23mm).
Nice Video but you missed THE Key part of the feel of the Xpan. Thats lens compression. Your 25mm does not look the same because the lens of the Xpan has more Lens compression at 45mm with the same FOV of a 25mm. This gives a drastically different feel to the image and is also where the magic happens.
I dont get how everybody seems to be missing the key ingredient to the feel of the Xpan.
Hi - I agree it's not possible to fully recreate the XPan experience and as most people will never come close to owning one this at least gives people a taste of the experience - and also another way to have fun with the camera they already have :)
If you're talking about depth-of-field, keep in mind that XPan lenses were f/4 at best. So, there are options for going to wider apertures. If you're talking about "telephoto lens compression", that's an effect compensated by the move to a smaller frame/sensor, i.e. by the crop factor. It lets you get just as far away from your subject (for a given shot) and therefore produce the same compression effect.
Soo... (forgive me; I always have trouble getting my head round this) - If you moved 1.8 x closer to the subject with the full-frame camera + 25mm lens, you'd get the same look as if you were further away with the X-Pan and the 45mm? (In terms of "telephoto compression" and DOF?)
I've done a similar thing but I had issues with low res images as I was using an Fuji XT3.
It would be trivial to add that aspect ratio to a firmware update.
I simply bought an anamorphic lens and called it a day. being asked to like subscribe multiple times in the same video means no like or subscribe though. 😉
Ok
Do you still reside in GTA ? Would love to get more experience from you while having few beers (they will be on me!) downtown. I reside in Mississauga. Congrats again, Jason ! Vivat Canada !
I am using sigma fpl + 24mm and set 21:9 to simulate the xpan experience it was very fun to shot
That's cool! :)
Realisticly there are ZERO problems in finding film or shops to develop it.
The problem is the XPAN is not cutting the frame, it's actually giving you more field of view KIND OF like an anamorphic lens. So even when the pictures have the same aspect ratio, they don't have the same field of view.
It's not perfect but it's cheaper than buying an XPan! :) :)
Brilliant video! Thank you! I’ve just bought a used Hasselblad x1dii and debating on buying a 30mm to use as a digital Xpan with the internal Xpan crop modes on the camera
Thanks :) :) Have fun with the new camera?
This is so cool! I've been attempting to achieve something like this for my photography as well! You've inspired me to try it this way with my Fuji! Thanks for the great vid! And your photos turned out beautifully!
That's so great to hear!!! Good luck, hope you get some great shots - feel free to connect with me on Instagram or Twitter @jasontheroberts as I'd love to see your images with the technique :)
hi, friend,. I'm desperate to find a magic lantern for my M6 MARK II do you know where I can get the software for my camera for the M6 MARKII?
Sorry I don't know I'm afraid.
Fujifilm (the original creators of the camera along with Hasselblad who sold it as the Xpan) support a native 65:24 aspect ratio in their GFX lineup. The GFX50R is the closest thing to a truly native digital Xpan, without needing to do anything in post-production or employing any DIY handiwork.
The only caveat is lens choices - the Xpan image circle was at least 65mm wide, and the lenses had thinner DOF at fast apertures, much like medium format lenses do. the GFX sensor is 44mm wide, so lenses on that system will not have the same thin DOF as Xpan lenses, even if they are a stop or two faster. However, for most landscape photography you are probably stopping down anyway for maximum DOF so it's not a real dealbreaker.
I use adapted lenses regularly on the GFX50R with the 65:24 mode on, and I can even use 35mm film lenses that will otherwise vignette badly on the full sensor (due to smaller image circles) in this mode to get a pretty wide field of view.
I would love a GFX100s so I could use "xpan mode" on it and still end up with lots of data to work with :) But the lens choice for GFX system is more limited - I had never even though of using adapted lenses - very interesting - thanks for sharing :)
@@jasonrobertsphoto of course!
I've had good results with a PC-Nikkor 35/2.8, and because it's a shift lens, it has a larger image circle than most 35mm film lenses, and based on the 0.79x crop factor, it has a 28mm field of view, slightly tighter than the 25mm of the Hasselbald 45mm.
I'm also experimenting with a Takumar 28/3.5 but i am sure there are better wide lenses out there from Leica and Carl Zeiss that can easily fit the GFX on an adapter.
the Fuji glass is not cheap by any means, but there are some really compelling lenses like the new 20-35 (16-28) and the shockingly economical 35-70
@@dxps26 Wow - that 20-35 is surprisingly inexpensive, I could probably afford the lens but not the 100s haha :)
The Hasselblad and Fuji medium format digital cameras do this. Considering the xpan is just a wrapped fuji TX camera it's a bit cringe people paying 2k more for the hassey
I wish I could afford a GFX 100s so I could get "xpan mode" as well :)
The best camera i owned and used was the hasselblad xpan . Sharp lenses , film motor driven , panoramic image on 135 ! Money issues
Forced me to sell it . The one thing i sold that was a mistake . If you have one , use it ! One of a kind camera .
Yeah sad I had to sell mine too!
Hello there, I own a Fuji X-T30 and it has a APS-C sensor - should I make any adjustments to the maths for part 1?
Hi Randolph - while math is not my string point I would think you need to convert the focal length in the video to the aps-c equivalent.
Awesome video! I kept searching up for the crop on Lightroom and your video saved my day!!! I wanted to replicate Xpan with my Fuji xpro 2 (I found shooting in 16:9 and looking through my viewfinder helped me as a base point for the crop)!
That's so great to hear - glad you worked it out - one day I might have another XPan - then I'd just need the film haha :)
Is it still the same though. The Xpan still uses a 45mm focal length and here we're using a 25mm focal length. Foreground and background will look further apart with the 25mm lens than the 45mm lens wont they?
Hi Tony - that's a great question, the calculations were more about trying to match the angle of view - at wider apertures there could be some differences with depth of field with the different focal lengths - it's not perfect I agree but a lot cheaper that buying a used XPan at the moment! :)
@@jasonrobertsphoto Hell yeah its cheaper than the Xpan. I think one needs to be careful about XPans now too because there's not many who can service them anymore?
But when I look at the Flickr page for the XPan some of the images (not all) just` have something'. I can crop my 4X5 film camera to the right dimensions at the same focal length but its a lot more trouble than shooting an XPan lol!
@@tonyhayes9827 I know it's irrational but I would still love to get one again - but I think I'd be better spending the money on some photos trips to great locations :)
No, the foreground/background won’t look further apart. The calculation has been done to give the same aspect ratio for both, and the same field of view, therefore the distance from the scene will give the same coverage, and the same perspective. It is an exact equivalence here for two different sensor sizes.
@@Wolfloid Yeah its tricky for my mind to wrap around. Lets say you get both both camera and put a 50mm lens on both of them and you take a head and shoulders shot of a person. from the same distance with he person's top of head touching top of frame on the Xpan. The Xpan is going to show 65mm wide angle of view and the Digital ff a 35mm angle of view. So there will be almost twice the width of environment included on the XPan compared with the FF digital. And on the FF digital the top of the head and bottom of shoulder will bu cut off by the frame placed on the FF's view Therefore in order to fit the person in on the FF camera to be the same as the Xpan the FF camera has to either move further away from the person or a wider angle lens has to be put on the FF camera changing perspective in the first case and depth perception in the second case. SO as far as I can see you cant actually match the two cameras. Does that sound right?
Or you can buy a lumix S5 😁
haha or a fuji GFX 100s!!! ;)
Do you have experiences about anamorphic lenses? Te company Sirui produces anamorphic lenses. These squeezes an ultra-wide aspect ratio of 1:2,39 on a full frame or APSc sensor. These lenses were designed for movie photography, but they can make a good job for one shot panoramas. One disadvantage is that they are without autofocus, and they have typical blue horizontal flares at direct light into the lenses.
Interesting idea!! Never used one for photography! :) :)
@@jasonrobertsphoto a german youtuber made a tutorial how to use an anamorphic lens for still photography. If you want I can share the link.
wonder what i would look like as in Image quality on a GFX100 using a film simulation
I want a GFX 100s so much haha :) :)
@@jasonrobertsphoto me too, waiting for the version 2
Fantastic presentation. After seeing Thomas Heaton get an XPan I was wondering about the exact same thing. On Tuesday I shot a pano with a 21mm on my M11 to achieve the same look, but I settled on 21:9 which I was happy with. I think the M11 has the same sensor as the Sony and certainly the circa 36 mp I was left with was plenty. However, the cameras that are really good for this are the new GFX Fuji’s with some pano ratios on the screen. Considering a 50MP GFX-R can be had it is an interesting option in case you weren’t aware.
Thanks :) Yeah I'm aware of the GFX "xpan mode" unfortunately because in makes me want a 100s :)
I use Capture One 22 and there is a 1:2 aspect ratio you can edit/crop your photos with. It works pretty good!!
Good to know - thanks :)
So does Lightroom.
If you had an XPan why did you ever get rid of it? I have every camera that I have ever owned.
Was a few years ago and I wanted a digital camera for a trip around Australia - selling the XPan helped me do both.
A Fujifilm GFX 50S or 50R with the 30mm lens and the built-in 65:24 crop is a very good XPan with 45mm replacement.
Thanks, yeah I'm aware of the GFX's "xpan mode" just can't afford one, of course I'd need the 100s :)
@@jasonrobertsphoto LOL, you might be able to afford a 50S though. Still a phenomenal camera.
Maybe one day! :)
I sold my X-Pan about 10 years ago and wish I had kept it so as to be able to get todays prices for it. My reason for selling was that I could replicate the effect by using the 50mm lens on my RZ. Film cost was just about the same.
Hi Gareth - I kind of regret selling mine too but I sold it to buy a Canon EOS 5D Mk 1 which was my first "pro digital camera" which I got great use out of :)
Panoramas are very tiresome to the viewer. And they are almost never interesting. It is the ultimate way of forcing as much as you can into one image.
Go square!
I love square compositions too and also panos - just a matter of personal taste :)
You are totally completely wrong, but also kinda sorta right. OK, let me try again. . . Give your average person a pano camera, and their first natural instinct is to slap on a wide lens and try to "get everything in frame" and the result is dreadful. Also, if you look up pano tutorials on YT, they're all about putting a camera on a tripod and stitching together a beautiful landscape somewhere in the mountains, or maybe a coastal scene. It's (ironically) a very narrow view of how to use panoramic photography.
But it's definitely possible to do interesting things with a pano camera. It's tricky, it requires practice, it requires thinking outside the (2×3!) box. Try using it for street photography! Try using it for close-ups! Try assembling those shots into a collage that tells a story! To me it's a fascinating challenge, and a way to produce something that defies expectations and stands out from run-of-the-mill shots that everyone posts.
Very useful vid. Many thanks.
David H
You're welcome David, thankyou :)
My Oppo Find N3 has an XPan mode and i love it
Nice :) :)
Cool. I have a GFX and am slowly falling in love with the X-Pan format. I also have a Mamiya 645 and am wondering about using it as a "poor man's X-Pan" by masking off the waist-level finder like you did with your LCD. At 60mm, the negative length is almost as long as the X-Pan's.
Would be interesting to see your results with a longer lens. For me the real strength of this format is that you can get the wide-field panoramic look without the distortion associated with ultra-wide lenses. You can step back and fill the frame top-to-bottom with your subject, but still have plenty of context to the sides.
Thanks for sharing the "maths" regarding field of view, etc.
I would LOVE a GFX just for the xpan crop mode - preferably a 100s :) I would probably never use it full frame haha!! :) I can dream I suppose!! :)
You are correct. The author is wrong. If you take 24mm (the width of a full frame) and multiply by a ratio of 2.7 (the ratio for a panorama like an XPAN camera), you get 65mm of the required focal length for a full frame.
Just doing the best I can - I still enjoy the process of using this method - nothing will be the same as using my XPAN II though.
Very cool! I've gone through some similar processes to get panoramas. One trick I developed was to put carefully positioned transparent label tape on the back panel, and then draw guide lines across it using a marker. (I was wary at first, but yes the tape does peel off with no damage.) Another trick with my Sony A7R II was to turn on the 4×6 square grid lines. If you disregard the top and bottom rows, the remaining two rows in the center are pretty close to XPan aspect ratio. This allows me to use the EVF as well as the back panel for composition.
For post production I am using RawTherapee, which actually has the XPan aspect ratio as one of its (many) built-in options, so I didn't need any maths there. It also can perform some film simulation effects using color look-up tables (CLUTs).
Cool tips, thanks :) The tape idea is interesting too, I do like have the completely black card though so it's like you're looking through an XPan lens :)
I keep coming back to this idea. . . I learned that Panasonic full-frame cameras have XPan aspect ratio as a built-in option. I never saw a review that mentioned this, but you can check the manuals and see. So, it appears no hacks are required, and you could use the EVF as well as the back panel. As for lenses, the Sigma "Contemporary" line is enticing to me. For L-mount they have 17mm f/4, 24mm f/2 and 50mm f/2 which seem like pretty close matches for the three lenses that were available for the XPan.
Interesting - thanks :) :
the fujifilm gfx medium format cameras have a built in 65mmx24mm mode and since its a mirrorless camera you can buy a xpan lens adapter and boom a digital xpan with fujis film simulation mode!
True but a GFX (body only) is pretty much as expensive as an X-Pan, if not more
Haha yes - exactly!!
@@jacopoabbruscato9271 not the 50R those go for 2000-2500 usd for the body on the used market and since its a rangefinder style body its the closest to a digital xpan
I would be interested in trying out a 50 or 100s - can't afford any of those or an XPan either haha :)
This is a reason why i bought lumix s5.
Nice :)
I shoot with a 24mm lens any suggestions?
Hi :) - suggestions for what?
This is actually pretty interesting.
Thanks :) :)
Man, you absolutely deserve more subs, thanks for the interesting video.
Thank you so much - appreciate that! :)
Wouldn't it be possible to do panorama but from the lens? Maybe with an ultrawide and then converting it or something?
I'm so glad I found this video. I did this using my Fujifilm X-S10. I've had so much fun shooting with this DIY XPan. The resolution is obviously not ideal but this brought me so much excitement and I'm looking forward to taking more pictures with it. :)
That makes me so happy to hear - it's a lot of fun :) :)
dude fantastic! i had never heard of the xpan up until now! Was scrolling and suddenly i was immediately attached because i lowkey see the world in that aspect ratio so im finally going to start experimenting with it for a couple weeks!! This just encouraged me even more thanks!
That makes me so happy to hear that the video inspired someone! :) :) Happy shooting!
really interesting video! i have a micro four thirds system with a 12-60mm lens so i'm wondering how i can match your field of view and aspect ratio
Great question - you'd just need to convert the full frame mm equivalent to your camera I think? The aspect ratio would stay the same as in the video.
Great video. I wonder if a more solid matte screen can be made or fashioned. Maybe a 3D Printer.
That would be so cool! :)
Stumbled over an XPan Video a couple days ago and fell of my chair when googling the Body. Then Found your Video. Well done! Thanks for the McGyver Tricks! Will definitely use it!
Yes they are almost an investment at this point!! Glad you liked the video :)
Genius!! I gotta try this now. Definitely the next best thing without breaking the bank :D
Thanks - yes it's a lot cheaper than buying an xpan because I've looked into that!! :) :)
well done .. nice demonstration ... I enjoy it very much as I do own a Fujifilm TX-1 .. the Fuji Xpan version 1 .
Great video so I will be able to simulate same aspect on my digital camera ...
Thanks!! :)
I would love to see a magic lantern release for Sony cameras. When I shot canon I feel like the view finder hack could be done in camera. Great vid! Subbed!
Thanks James! :) - it's funny how these things can be done purely in firmware so in theory should be very simple to add to modern mirrorless cameras.
Wow this is really cool, I love the Xpan format too? very good idea with a frame ... well done, it was interesting, subscribed)))👍
Thanks so much - I'm going to do some more landscape photo vlogs using this soon :)
Haha! This is far too easy, to work that well!
Really Well done. 😊
Thanks so much - hope you give it a try :)
dude thanks for the share and I really appreciate this info... 6x17 format will be good if you can do that! thanks!
Thanks and great idea for a 6x17 version!! :)
Genius ! Congrats x100000 !
Thanks :) :)
I'd love an xpan too, I use a sigma quattro sd it has a built in paneramic mode and a sort of rangefinder styling but the colours blow me away with the fovean sensor , also your video was well presented and you came across positively on camera you deserve more followers
Thanks that so kind of you :)
We are in the same boat.. looking at the surging price of xpan from a far while recalling the moments with the camera.. thanks for the tips and i hope we heal soon 💪😁
Thanks :)
Thank you for doing the math for us folks who'd like to copy that idea. Some Fuji cameras offer the option to shoot in this panoramic format natively but for all other cameras a cutout is a neat idea to help frame the panoramic shots. good content
Thanks - yes it's a bit of a low tech solution haha. I'm going to reach out to Fuji next year to see if I can borrow a GFX 100s to try out its "xpan crop mode" :)
Really excellent video! I've actually been thinking of doing exactly this, very cool to see it works well as a way of getting a panorama view on Sony cameras!
Thanks :) Hope you give it a try :)
I always wanted to google the focal lenght aspect ration but dint know how to word it! Thanks!
Haha thanks - glad to help :)
Or just use a GFX in the crop mode
If I had one I would!! :)
@@jasonrobertsphoto your solution was much more creative!
@@MattiusGlutius Thanks :)
New stitched panoramic images aren't the same. When you shoot one single panoramic picture you have one vanishing point whereas several ones with stitched pictures.
You never heard of the Nodal Point? If you take the Nodal Point into account you have the same "vanishing point". You can do this with L-brackets and a nodal rail or even a more advanced Nodal-Head.
@@enricodeharder4984 Nodal point has apparently something to do with parallax, which is not what I'm talking about. Plus: good luck stitching pictures taken with translational motion to obtain a panoramic image.
A good idea. But you could buy a Sigma DP Quatro for panoramic images.
Yes or a GFX 100s ;)
This is awesome. Thanks for including all the math!
Your most welcome - not as good as the real thing but also not as expensive!! :) :)
I did a similar thing on my first DSLR (D70) and made a mask that i placed in front of the sensor (not touching of course). Worked very well !
Wow that's more daring than I would be haha!!! :)
@@jasonrobertsphoto these days I use Ritchie Cam on my iPhone that has the exact ratio needed.
Cool - thanks for the tip :)
Thanks! The elastic band fix is just excellent.
Haha thanks!! It's a bit low tech but it works :)
Good Effort. I enjoyed that. Well done.
Thanks so much :)
BRAVO!!!!!!!!!
Thanks so much :) :)
Brilliant mate!!!
Thanks :)
Excellent
Thanks :)
Awesome vid
Thanks Brandon!! :)
If i can give you a tip. Buy a screen protector and draw the Lines for the "Pano" letterbox on the Screenprotector using a sharpie. Then you always have your Pano Mask with you. ;-) But it will never be a real X-Pan....... 😞
Great tip! I do like having the completely black mask though as I feel it's more "immersive" :) Still would like to be able to afford another real XPan though! :)
Super Idea 👍🏻
Thanks so much :)