And yet, despite their obvious imbecilic low level lizard cunning being on full display, they were in power for well over a decade. What does that say about the English?
I think John's story of that Tory MP who said he thinks Cleverly was an idiot but wanted him as leader but also wanted to game the system, shows what low calibre the current Tory MPs are. I mean did he not get the mathematical concept that switching his vote = 2 votes change on a scale of only 120 total vote pool? And he has the nerve to say Cleverly is thick. Seriously, I despair at the current Tory crop.
Watching the tory party and expecting to see intelligence is as productive as going to the monkey house at the zoo for help with your calculus homework.
Its all a game to them, since Cameron gambling the country to stop ukip, May bowing to the right wing to save the Tories (and who cares about the nation), Johnson's turkeys voting for the oven ready deal (to save the Tories), Truss "its all the left wingers in the stock market, it wasn't me" (to save the Tories), and finally Rishi "stop the boats" (don't look at the crumbling nation, we need to save the Tories). All aided and abetted by the Tory MPs. Entirely unserious people.
I find it bemusing how a lot of our politicians think they are smarter than they really are!!!!!!! what does that say about us as a nation that we elect these people.............
@@jimmilne882 I've long come to believe that politics is a playpen for the fail sons of the British financial elite. The intelligent children get brought into the company to maintain the family silverware, the idiot children go into politics where they can't hurt the business and, at possibly win it a few nice contracts, get a few tax breaks or deregulate something they see as holding back it's profitability.
To quote the late, great Douglas Adams: “The major problem-one of the major problems, for there are several-one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them. To summarise: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it. To summarise the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.”
Wow your guest was so interesting. Such a great analogy about over indulging on poor information sources damages your mind. Also AI agency is truly terrifying.
So he wanted to vote for Cleverley, and therefore didn’t. Because that was ‘clever’. Perhaps voting for the person you want by voting for the person you want is how it works. 🤦
@@dh1380 Teamwork and co-ordination clearly not a strong point. Hardly bodes well for their future ambitions of running the country (again). Got any grown-ups over there - oh I forgot, Boris booted them.
I think it's great. Jenrick will win the members vote. The wets will leave and join the Liberals. The rest will merge with Farage and Reform and we will win the next election. The last Laugh!!!!
As Bad Enoch , sorry the other Enoch once said ''whom the Gods would destroy, they first make mad' ........Quoting from Virgil the Roman poet......not from Thunderbirds.....that was was a different Virgil.☝😑
All this is great news for the Liberals, how many central moderates already voted Liberal last election. Also I’ll this has taken the heat off Labour. Starmers poor start has disappeared from headlines .
I wrote elsewhere that I wondered how soon the bookies would open the betting on when the next Tory leadership election might be. Within a year or longer?
I'm glad Emily brought up race as we can see in election not just here but how candidates of colour who are clearly better than their opponents but don't win for some reason.
As a man of colour, I would have said that it is far more complex than that. The Tories are a cunning and highly sophisticated machine. They pick the most incapable, arrogant and frankly objectionable people of colour for key posts in order to demonstrate to the country how bad we are. It is part of their clever agenda to outdo Reform!
Cleverly out but Badenoch still very much in (and warm favourite with the Party membership) rather implodes that argument. Cleverly, as usual, said a whole lot of absolutely nothing, but he just said it well. Cleverly against either 1 of the others would've lost in the last 2. Badenoch will almost certainly win.
@@Muzakman37Yet this discussion included Badenoch and race but not Cleverly and race - does this mean that a man of colour is more palatable than a woman of colour, hence Rishi got in but Badenoch may be hampered by race - that really just means it’s a matter of gender, not race.
There is also a responsibility on the users of social media to not keep falling for what the "algorithm" keeps promoting. Personally I rarely use any social media but when I do, I totally ignore the promoted topics.
Tory MPs are allowed to change their mind and ditch Cleverly for another candidate once they had eliminated wet Tugendhat from the Tory leadership race. Cleverly although able, never really showed hunger for the job, or presented fresh ideas. The Tory MPs as the electorate are looking for a Westminster interim leader in opposition and not a PM in waiting 4½ years in the future. The wider Party membership will now make the decision on who leads their PLP. Their choices now, will impact on the local elections in 2 years, at which point the PLP will reassess the chances of success in 2029! The media are obsessed with these Party leader elections when few others are.
The remaining pair (soon I believe, to become just 'honest Jenrick') both had audiences with Murdoch during the run up. I'm not entirely convinced strings aren't being pulled.
Why did you hide Noah Harari's very interisting interview away? No indication on the thumbnail and accompaning headline neither does justice to Mr Harari, Emily and your podcast.
I cannot agree with the view that Badenoch shows perception or sound judgement in her decision making. Her reasons for voting Brexit were very superficial. She was concerned at the inability of Cameron to gain more exceptions from EU policy and the potential impact on the UK of Merkel’s decision to permit the entry of significant numbers of refugees/immigrants from the Middle East. The former’s negotiation strategy was unrealistic and the latter’s policy would largely only have impact on Germany as the individuals would need to have gained German citizenship before having any rights of entry to the UK. The later changes to the UK Immigration Policy developed and implemented by the Johnson government had a much more significant impact on the UK. Her linking of maternity pay and business regulations was ill thought through as she seemed to backtrack in later interviews. I believe the Tories have made a significant strategic error in moving to the right and close to Reform. Why vote for Reform light!.
@@sheilamcintosh5835 yes I understand the voting system in this country. What I am saying people vote by the leaders of all parties and which one the like. It is important because a lot of people don’t vote in the local elections. More people vote on a general election. People judge the leaders of each party not necessarily on polities. I have known people vote on the looks and now they present themselves. A lot of it being about personality.
Omg these tories are so bad, the answer here is simple listen intently to what they say then do the opposite you cant go wrong, the lunatics are in charge of the asylum 👍
If you watch the video of the announcement of the results, it is clear that the MPs are inumerate. After Clevelrey's score of 37 was announced there was an oohh. That result meant he had already lost, but it was clear most of them in the room hadn't realised that yet and only fully reacted when the last result was given. This suggests that many weren't aware that getting 40+ votes was required to win.
A lot of this analysis seems to give the Tories far too much credit in the form of them having some kind of longer term strategy on the go. The Tories haven't had a plan for anything since Cameron won in 2010 and they've been fighting among themselves probably since the end of the Major administration.
The decent MPs should join the Lib Dems. Let the Tories become Reform - and let them see how much support there really is for fascism (and there is support, just not a majority).
This is what happened. It can be reverse engineered. In the final vote baddy and jenny had about 40 votes. In the previous round they had 30. So where were those 20 baddy/jenny votes in the previous round ? 10 of them voted for clever in the previous round taking him from 29 to 39. 10 of them voted for tuggy taking him from 10 to 20 in the previous round. The plan was that assuming tuggies 20 would go to clever he would get 59 in the final round which would allow some tactical voting for baddy or jenny. In the final round, the 20 baddy/jenny votes left clever and tuggy and went home. 8 tuggies went to clever taking him from 29 to 37. Two tuggies fell into the trap and believing clever was safe and that he would do better against jenny in the final round, voted for jenny to stop baddy. If those two had gone for clever he would have got 39 votes and jenny 38 so it made all the difference.
I once won a team karaoke tournament because my team ( unquestionably the worst) got tactical votes from almost everyone as second choice since noone thought we would win. Took it by a landslide. Got to experience a day in the life of Bobby G :P
Sorry to say, had to go back to Apple podcasts to listen to this, as RUclips, with their bleeping needs and excessive advert-pushing, have made listening here too painful.
I do agree that Badenoch would be more of a challenge for Farage than Jeneric but can anyone answer for me why the Tory party never go after Farage. They try to fight Reform by saying "If you vote reform you will get a Labour Government" and the public said "OK fine by us". Badenoch like all the other tory candidates seems to feel they need to move to the right and be fighting for reform voters. Will she be smart enough to work out that she needs to attack reform and their policies rather than try to win back voters by mimicking them.
I disagree with him on platforms responsibility to content, but yes for the algorithm - in the end the "algorithm" needs to make a judgement on the content to tackle the issue he raises.
Probably because none of the three people in this studio has any sympathy with Conservative politics, they categorise both candidates as “right wing” and take it for granted that there are no policy differences between them, only differences in style and presentation. This is NOT true. They have very different attitudes to immigration, an important issue for Conservative members and many Conservative voters. Jenrick, at least in his present iteration, is emphatic that immigration needs to be reduced. Leaving the ECHR is a radical departure from previous conservative policy. I’m not aware that Badenoch has ever expressed any desire to reduce immigration. Indeed, in 2018, she praised the government for liberalising immigration rules and said she had herself lobbied for this liberalisation. The truth is that Badenoch’s view on immigration is the same as that of most Tory MPs i.e. she doesn’t give a monkey’s about it. You can be anti-woke and pro-immigration and Badenoch falls into that category. She talks about the importance of integration (while admitting that integration is impossible because of the internet), but what is the Britishness she wants immigrants to integrate into? Like most of the political class, she believes that British culture is all about generic values such as tolerance, freedom of speech, women’s rights etc. and has no specifically British content. In her maiden speech, she referred to the UK as a “project“. I interpret that to mean that she sees it the way people have often seen America, as a country built on abstract principles, not as a nation (or family of nations) with a specific history and a specific culture. I don’t agree with Lewis Goodall that Farage would find Badenoch a more difficult opponent than Jenrick. Farage’s response to Badenoch will be to keep pointing out that she doesn’t want to leave the ECHR.
Holding values such as tolerance and 'anti-woke' simultaneously is not a coherent position, unless you redefine woke to mean something that it doesn't.
Is it ever possible for Jon Sopel to put his ego to one side and not to be so blatantly condescending to Lewis? His overly confident swagger grates on me. I had to stop watching this.
I'd like to hear Harari's views on how we can distinguish hateful/polarising content from legitimate (let alone automate that process). Seems there's no clear dividing line here. Is it a case of posting less emotionally engaging content so as to not get suppressed by the algorithm? Also, misinformation is objectively misinformation, but at time of it entering the infoscape how can you possibly carry out a fact check in time to know. As the old saying goes "a lie gets halfway around the world...etc" Regarding the tech bosses, they do of course know that hateful content gets boosted by the algorithms, but anger and strong emotion keeps people engaged and on the platform. If you own a social media platform your number one goal is to hoover up as much market share as possible and squeeze out your rivals, so de-emphasizing triggering/hateful content is directly against their interests and they won't take action until forced.
So, Badenoch is strong on: Identity politics Climate The Economy So, immigration, the NHS and people being better off which people care about the most she is pointless.
Basically, he was trying to play 4D chess while not even being able to master Hungry, Hungry Hippos.
Clever by name clever by half
He manoeuvered himself into losing badly at Mousetrap.
Thought he was playing 'Go'.
Great comment😂
They say that's NOT what Cleverley was do, his supporters did it.
Lewis’ hair auditioning for a part in The Mikado .. ‘Three Little Maids from School’ styleee 😂😂
What fuckery is this?
You nailed it, tsunami hair cut….
He’s a handsome guy but, oh, that hair has a life of its own!
Is that topping an add-on?
@kayess2634 No, I think it was just the hair-raising news.
Well done tories, you've knocked it out of the park again when it somes to strategy.
And yet, despite their obvious imbecilic low level lizard cunning being on full display, they were in power for well over a decade. What does that say about the English?
This trio is so compatible, harmonious and competent!
No, just three sanctimonious lefties who like their own voices.
I think John's story of that Tory MP who said he thinks Cleverly was an idiot but wanted him as leader but also wanted to game the system, shows what low calibre the current Tory MPs are. I mean did he not get the mathematical concept that switching his vote = 2 votes change on a scale of only 120 total vote pool? And he has the nerve to say Cleverly is thick. Seriously, I despair at the current Tory crop.
Watching the tory party and expecting to see intelligence is as productive as going to the monkey house at the zoo for help with your calculus homework.
Its all a game to them, since Cameron gambling the country to stop ukip, May bowing to the right wing to save the Tories (and who cares about the nation), Johnson's turkeys voting for the oven ready deal (to save the Tories), Truss "its all the left wingers in the stock market, it wasn't me" (to save the Tories), and finally Rishi "stop the boats" (don't look at the crumbling nation, we need to save the Tories). All aided and abetted by the Tory MPs. Entirely unserious people.
Yeh well said, terrifyingly hilarious isn't it
They will be voting for a new leader within two years. All the money is on that.
I find it bemusing how a lot of our politicians think they are smarter than they really are!!!!!!! what does that say about us as a nation that we elect these people.............
I suggest that intelligent people don't touch politics with a barge pole, most politicians are thick, and it shows.
@@jimmilne882 I've long come to believe that politics is a playpen for the fail sons of the British financial elite. The intelligent children get brought into the company to maintain the family silverware, the idiot children go into politics where they can't hurt the business and, at possibly win it a few nice contracts, get a few tax breaks or deregulate something they see as holding back it's profitability.
To quote the late, great Douglas Adams:
“The major problem-one of the major problems, for there are several-one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarise: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
To summarise the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.”
more chemistry lessons with Emily,please 🙂
Potassium produces hydrogen which is even more explosive than potassium. Badenoch could allow a lighter than air, explosive mix to follow.
Surely Lewis's hair deserves its own podcast?
OMG ...who did Lewis's hair ..Mr whippy?
This was a great podcast, madly interesting, and the timing much improved - thank you
Lewis appears to have a dead squirrel on his head
It’s autumn; it’s not dead it’s hibernating.
His hair is an evolving Pokemon
It's a massive Bobbie Charlton comb-over
His hair hasn't reached its final form yet
At this rate we'll be running out of things to leave under the nutty Tories- GFA? UN? NATO? WTO? Maybe the earth's gravity?
You missed out the big one Reality
That train left the station a while ago, I fear.
We should ABSOLUTELY leave the UN. So should all western democracies. The UN is a disgusting organisation and has been for ever.
Lewis left his curlers in
It's nearly the weekend so anything goes...
I thought it was Quentin Crisp!
He's got a rollover, or curl-over, compared to a comb over. Is this a new trend?
Was there a tornado in the studio?
He borrowed Emily’s curlers…
Wow your guest was so interesting. Such a great analogy about over indulging on poor information sources damages your mind. Also AI agency is truly terrifying.
So he wanted to vote for Cleverley, and therefore didn’t. Because that was ‘clever’. Perhaps voting for the person you want by voting for the person you want is how it works. 🤦
Seems they tried to apply GE style tactical voting to a leadership contest. Shows how dumb they are 😅
Something about organising something in a brewery ... It is too clever for me at the moment.
@@dh1380 Teamwork and co-ordination clearly not a strong point. Hardly bodes well for their future ambitions of running the country (again). Got any grown-ups over there - oh I forgot, Boris booted them.
Two words to blame for this unholy but hilarious mess … GRANT SHAPPS 😂😂😂
I think it's great. Jenrick will win the members vote. The wets will leave and join the Liberals. The rest will merge with Farage and Reform and we will win the next election. The last Laugh!!!!
It's Truss all over again. Batty Bady then back to clutzy Cleverly.... Comedy gold!!
I would be massively surprised if the Tory membership were unracist enough to select Kemi
So, they just didn't want to start acting Normal?
No one can be pro Brexit and win an argument on the economy.... if they are being honest.
It's hardly the point of this conversation, but Maitlis just gained huge bonus points with her improvised chemistry lesson.
John major is only 81, can they not just wheel him back out👍
Just shows what clever people these Tory MPs are! And yes the pun is there! I leave it up to you to decide whether I intended it or not!
As Bad Enoch , sorry the other Enoch once said ''whom the Gods would destroy, they first make mad' ........Quoting from Virgil the Roman poet......not from Thunderbirds.....that was was a different Virgil.☝😑
Nor Virgil Grissom
Just found this podcast, love it already
The hair gets my vote
All this is great news for the Liberals, how many central moderates already voted Liberal last election. Also I’ll this has taken the heat off Labour. Starmers poor start has disappeared from headlines .
Public School Education.
Don't you just love it!
😂
Irony is all three of them went to state school
Can I just ask where did the 20 votes for Tom Tughenhat go to in final round.
Most of them should have gone to Cleverly surely?
I still think Cleverly lost out because the majority of the voters had a great fear of being forced to make a final choice between two black people.
MINISTRY OF TRUTH
I wrote elsewhere that I wondered how soon the bookies would open the betting on when the next Tory leadership election might be. Within a year or longer?
Appreciated Churchill parodies
“Mendacity” great word
Well actually “that would be insane” is as close to an honest admission you’ll get from a Tory to be fair…
I'm glad Emily brought up race as we can see in election not just here but how candidates of colour who are clearly better than their opponents but don't win for some reason.
As a man of colour, I would have said that it is far more complex than that. The Tories are a cunning and highly sophisticated machine. They pick the most incapable, arrogant and frankly objectionable people of colour for key posts in order to demonstrate to the country how bad we are. It is part of their clever agenda to outdo Reform!
Cleverly out but Badenoch still very much in (and warm favourite with the Party membership) rather implodes that argument.
Cleverly, as usual, said a whole lot of absolutely nothing, but he just said it well. Cleverly against either 1 of the others would've lost in the last 2. Badenoch will almost certainly win.
@@Muzakman37Yet this discussion included Badenoch and race but not Cleverly and race - does this mean that a man of colour is more palatable than a woman of colour, hence Rishi got in but Badenoch may be hampered by race - that really just means it’s a matter of gender, not race.
The Tories have a contest between William Hague v Ian Duncan Smith
There is also a responsibility on the users of social media to not keep falling for what the "algorithm" keeps promoting. Personally I rarely use any social media but when I do, I totally ignore the promoted topics.
Most remaining Tory MPs are all in safe seats in hard right constituencies. Thus they voted for the harder right candidates. 😅
Tory keep on self sabotage them self keep on clowning 🤡🤡🤡🤡 won’t be near power for another term. 🤟🏻🤟🏻😊
They cannot add 2 & 2 together .
Is there a saying the smartest player in the room knows who the dumbest player is? They all are with out a doubt .
Tory MPs are allowed to change their mind and ditch Cleverly for another candidate once they had eliminated wet Tugendhat from the Tory leadership race.
Cleverly although able, never really showed hunger for the job, or presented fresh ideas.
The Tory MPs as the electorate are looking for a Westminster interim leader in opposition and not a PM in waiting 4½ years in the future. The wider Party membership will now make the decision on who leads their PLP. Their choices now, will impact on the local elections in 2 years, at which point the PLP will reassess the chances of success in 2029!
The media are obsessed with these Party leader elections when few others are.
Tory party meant to be strong on economy. Can’t even do basic maths…
The fact that this lot actually see themselves as holding politicians to account is beyond hilarious. "An inside source tells me..."
The remaining pair (soon I believe, to become just 'honest Jenrick') both had audiences with Murdoch during the run up.
I'm not entirely convinced strings aren't being pulled.
Are you lot forgetting that it's up to the Con. members. Remember how they voted last time.
Yeah they will vote for the white bloke
Shoehorn for Jenrick.
❤
Why would some Cleverly supporters vote for Jenrick if they were not clear how Tugendhat voters would vote or know for sure if they had a plurality.
Why did you hide Noah Harari's very interisting interview away? No indication on the thumbnail and accompaning headline neither does justice to Mr Harari, Emily and your podcast.
The Nash Equilibrium
I cannot agree with the view that Badenoch shows perception or sound judgement in her decision making. Her reasons for voting Brexit were very superficial. She was concerned at the inability of Cameron to gain more exceptions from EU policy and the potential impact on the UK of Merkel’s decision to permit the entry of significant numbers of refugees/immigrants from the Middle East. The former’s negotiation strategy was unrealistic and the latter’s policy would largely only have impact on Germany as the individuals would need to have gained German citizenship before having any rights of entry to the UK. The later changes to the UK Immigration Policy developed and implemented by the Johnson government had a much more significant impact on the UK. Her linking of maternity pay and business regulations was ill thought through as she seemed to backtrack in later interviews. I believe the Tories have made a significant strategic error in moving to the right and close to Reform. Why vote for Reform light!.
Very well put.
She's been caught out lying numerous times too. I don't have anything positive to say about her.
The question would be who will the people likely to vote for in an election.
Their constituency MP?
@@sheilamcintosh5835 yes I understand the voting system in this country. What I am saying people vote by the leaders of all parties and which one the like. It is important because a lot of people don’t vote in the local elections. More people vote on a general election. People judge the leaders of each party not necessarily on polities. I have known people vote on the looks and now they present themselves. A lot of it being about personality.
Omg these tories are so bad, the answer here is simple listen intently to what they say then do the opposite you cant go wrong, the lunatics are in charge of the asylum 👍
If you watch the video of the announcement of the results, it is clear that the MPs are inumerate. After Clevelrey's score of 37 was announced there was an oohh. That result meant he had already lost, but it was clear most of them in the room hadn't realised that yet and only fully reacted when the last result was given. This suggests that many weren't aware that getting 40+ votes was required to win.
Well Jenrick/Badenoch will certainly flame out in a short while. Cleverly could win next time, if the party's still extant.
LOL. Jenrick will win. Tories will split. The Wets will join Liberals. The ECHR leavers will join Farage and REFORM WILL WIN THE NEXT ELECTION.
Lewis Bouffant
A lot of this analysis seems to give the Tories far too much credit in the form of them having some kind of longer term strategy on the go. The Tories haven't had a plan for anything since Cameron won in 2010 and they've been fighting among themselves probably since the end of the Major administration.
The decent MPs should join the Lib Dems. Let the Tories become Reform - and let them see how much support there really is for fascism (and there is support, just not a majority).
This is what happened. It can be reverse engineered. In the final vote baddy and jenny had about 40 votes. In the previous round they had 30. So where were those 20 baddy/jenny votes in the previous round ? 10 of them voted for clever in the previous round taking him from 29 to 39. 10 of them voted for tuggy taking him from 10 to 20 in the previous round. The plan was that assuming tuggies 20 would go to clever he would get 59 in the final round which would allow some tactical voting for baddy or jenny. In the final round, the 20 baddy/jenny votes left clever and tuggy and went home. 8 tuggies went to clever taking him from 29 to 37. Two tuggies fell into the trap and believing clever was safe and that he would do better against jenny in the final round, voted for jenny to stop baddy. If those two had gone for clever he would have got 39 votes and jenny 38 so it made all the difference.
Wow- the panel from Hades
Tories during a leadership race always remind me of the Skeksis from The Dark Crystal.
I once won a team karaoke tournament because my team ( unquestionably the worst) got tactical votes from almost everyone as second choice since noone thought we would win. Took it by a landslide. Got to experience a day in the life of Bobby G :P
Sorry to say, had to go back to Apple podcasts to listen to this, as RUclips, with their bleeping needs and excessive advert-pushing, have made listening here too painful.
What or who are the team listening to through their earpieces?, prompts for a director?.
The thing is, the members were always going to vote for the biggest idiot, so it doesn’t make much difference in the end.
Lewis, loving the hair mate😂
Generals blaming the foot soldiers 🙄
I do agree that Badenoch would be more of a challenge for Farage than Jeneric but can anyone answer for me why the Tory party never go after Farage. They try to fight Reform by saying "If you vote reform you will get a Labour Government" and the public said "OK fine by us". Badenoch like all the other tory candidates seems to feel they need to move to the right and be fighting for reform voters. Will she be smart enough to work out that she needs to attack reform and their policies rather than try to win back voters by mimicking them.
They lost a lot of seats to the Lib Dems so that should be their focus.
We saw why Emily gets what she asks for. Interviews an expert and then schools him on the persecution of women :D
#prayforbritishhairdresser 😘
I disagree with him on platforms responsibility to content, but yes for the algorithm - in the end the "algorithm" needs to make a judgement on the content to tackle the issue he raises.
JENKINS WILL WIN THE MEMBERS VOTE. PLEASE STOP IT. WE ARE ALL MOVING TO THE RIGHT.
If mogg and dorries have picked jenerick...tjeres only one winner..tbf she's also useless
That James guy is insufferable
She’s part of the Dougie Smith crew. Nadine Dorries right again. ☺️
You can recognise a SUNO created song. They all get a bit samey
Lewis’s hair ?
Help. How does Bad enouch become Baid enouch? Mrs. Bucket has a lot to answer for. What does Richard say?
This episode was amaaaaazing and loved the chemistry lesson :) from one happy chemistry PhD :)
Emily channelling her father got a moment.
Probably because none of the three people in this studio has any sympathy with Conservative politics, they categorise both candidates as “right wing” and take it for granted that there are no policy differences between them, only differences in style and presentation. This is NOT true. They have very different attitudes to immigration, an important issue for Conservative members and many Conservative voters.
Jenrick, at least in his present iteration, is emphatic that immigration needs to be reduced. Leaving the ECHR is a radical departure from previous conservative policy. I’m not aware that Badenoch has ever expressed any desire to reduce immigration. Indeed, in 2018, she praised the government for liberalising immigration rules and said she had herself lobbied for this liberalisation.
The truth is that Badenoch’s view on immigration is the same as that of most Tory MPs i.e. she doesn’t give a monkey’s about it. You can be anti-woke and pro-immigration and Badenoch falls into that category. She talks about the importance of integration (while admitting that integration is impossible because of the internet), but what is the Britishness she wants immigrants to integrate into? Like most of the political class, she believes that British culture is all about generic values such as tolerance, freedom of speech, women’s rights etc. and has no specifically British content. In her maiden speech, she referred to the UK as a “project“. I interpret that to mean that she sees it the way people have often seen America, as a country built on abstract principles, not as a nation (or family of nations) with a specific history and a specific culture.
I don’t agree with Lewis Goodall that Farage would find Badenoch a more difficult opponent than Jenrick. Farage’s response to Badenoch will be to keep pointing out that she doesn’t want to leave the ECHR.
Holding values such as tolerance and 'anti-woke' simultaneously is not a coherent position, unless you redefine woke to mean something that it doesn't.
Jenkins Tories to merge with Reform. Wets will join Liberals.
Is it ever possible for Jon Sopel to put his ego to one side and not to be so blatantly condescending to Lewis? His overly confident swagger grates on me. I had to stop watching this.
I'd like to hear Harari's views on how we can distinguish hateful/polarising content from legitimate (let alone automate that process). Seems there's no clear dividing line here. Is it a case of posting less emotionally engaging content so as to not get suppressed by the algorithm? Also, misinformation is objectively misinformation, but at time of it entering the infoscape how can you possibly carry out a fact check in time to know. As the old saying goes "a lie gets halfway around the world...etc"
Regarding the tech bosses, they do of course know that hateful content gets boosted by the algorithms, but anger and strong emotion keeps people engaged and on the platform. If you own a social media platform your number one goal is to hoover up as much market share as possible and squeeze out your rivals, so de-emphasizing triggering/hateful content is directly against their interests and they won't take action until forced.
What is up with Lewis' hair? It was very distracting.
There's something about Lewis
Channelling Quentin Crisp
Dunno, but I want a Mr Whippy now.
He's a bit of an all round angry wierdo
I am loving it 😂😂❤
Played 7D chess and lost on 2D
Where has the comfort blanket gone?
Kemi Badenoch has softer skills?
Jenrick 52-48%?
James thickerly...mmmm...so dim
More swear words please,. the situation deserves it.
I don’t always agree with you when you speak for the lying establishment, but this was a great show with excellent analysis 👏
I stopped following Pakman when his zionism became so clear
Your son definitely has podcast hair here
So, Badenoch is strong on:
Identity politics
Climate
The Economy
So, immigration, the NHS and people being better off which people care about the most she is pointless.
What a dope.
Emily. Normalcy? Stop it
Thomas Amy Taylor Deborah Perez William
Jon's pro-Cleverly MP voting Badenoch story was great
Badenoch is a Scottish word. Try pronouncing it correctly. We say Baden Baaden. Try Has been och. Not difficult if you try.....
22:13 someone send the zionist movement this clip 😂
Whereas your mob will stick to " Mein Kampf".