I figured that edgar made it when their parents died and kept it secret from Sabin, and then remembers it later, which is what prompts him to ask for a coinflip that he knows sabin will 'win'. It's the same coin that Celes uses later with Setzer later- how Celes gets it is a mystery, but I assume Edgar lends it to her.
@Selgeron yes she asks for it in game, and then it gets decided. Setzer inspects it and it has two identical sides. If Sabin is in the party he'll respond. It's an identical sided coin confirmed by in game events more than once
@@-Keith- for all we know it was like a month later, and Sabin had just been grieving. Or their parents made the two headed coin because they wanted the two to rule together but Sabin didn't know about it because he was too disconnected from royal politics. Just thinking outloud really.
I agree, I like to bring him to the Fanatic's Tower. And his body slam and "throw other party member" moves have pretty good power. A shame he can't equip an esper to get level up bonuses.
The "mystery" of Gogo's identity only exists because FF5 didn't come out in America. Gogo's identity isn't a mystery: he's Gogo, an optional boss from FF5, making a cameo in this game as a playable character. That's all.
Yeah… I sometimes marvel at the ability of playground theorizing to dominate conversations among adults who can easily find the real, and more interesting, answers.
What? lol. So you know more than Kitase the director of Final Fantasy 6? He said Gogo was a quickly added character with no story background. Gogo in FF6 has nothing to do with FF5 nor is he Daryl or anything. He has no story at all. Heck, the entire world of Ruin didn't even exist when the developers were finished with the game. They had 5-6 months or something I forgot so they decided to create the world of Ruin and everything in it.
@@NAzo. ....did you seriously just claim that Gogo has "nothing to do with" the identical-looking, identically-named, identically-behaving character from the immediately previous game? Because apart from that (which is laughably and demonstrably false) nothing you said contradicts what I said.
The Figaro brothers are my favorite characters, and are always in my team once you get Espers, for the stat growth. My main team is Edgar, Sabin, Terra, and Celes. Arguably the "main" characters, but definitely a powerful team.
If the twins aren’t your favorite characters, I’d question your ability to perform basic functions 🤣 Their story gets depth that most of the others do not. Like yourself, both are always in my party unless I’m forced to use alternate party members for a scenario or w/e. My main party differs slightly, though: Edgar, Sabin, Terra/Celes (favor towards Celes for Runic), then Locke. There are probably better characters than Locke, but that steal skill is so damn valuable for nicking great weapons and gear (example - getting Gaia Gear long before you can purchase it, stacking expensive Gold Shields for WoB ‘end gear’, stealing excessive amounts of Relics then selling them - my list goes on). Locke is the bastard that started my love affair with the Thief class in RPGs. Definitely a DEX build nut
sabin #1. suplexes a train, holds up a burning building, and has one of the best lines in the game "you think a minor thing like the end of the world was goona do me in?" my favorite team was Sabin, Edgar Cyan and the 4ths slot would go between terra, celes, and shadow.,
I would put Gogo much further down on the list because even though mime is good, you can never increase gogo's base stats through esper bonuses so his attacks will never hit as hard as the rest of your party, and doing damage fast is kinda the bread and butter of combat in this game.
I never use Gogo, primarily because they have no story, but also because they're kind of like Kimahri in FFX where it's like "Whatever role I put you in, I already have one of those." Redundancy is their whole personality. Yeah, I guess you can Mimic spells for free, but you gotta set that up by making sure they go directly after the spell, possibly waiting around and not having other party members act. Also, it's not that big a deal to just slap an MP cost reduction relic on a normal caster and just have them use whatever I want them to in the moment.
@@CurlyFromTheSwirly that's why you team him up with Gau, Umaro and Mog: they can all act on their own while Cyan charges up 😅. They even changed it in the pixel remaster. Now you select the ability and he charges while you can select other team members actions.
@@vladv5126 I could give a lot more comprehensive list, and first and foremost is how the game is optimized or how a standard run goes. IN a standard blind run, I can understand Gau not being seen as good because you'd have to grab his rages and then use it, get lucky by seeing 'stray cat cat scratch'. But when you optimize him, there's a lot of ways to break him. Even without that, his stats are among the highest of the group, he comes low enough level that he can be turned into a solid mage with bulk (like Mog just mog comes later so less levels to play with) or even the imp gear abuse with rage (equip all the imp gear onto him, start him in a rage, then cast imp on him if it isn't resistant to the status. Or cast imp before and he no longer gets use of 'rage' can can just attack normally but with really strong imp gear.) The bottom two characters for any sort of playthrough as long as you have a brain are Umaro and Gogo. Gogo has awful equipment options and with the lowest starting stats of the characters. (So Bdewd straight up lied here to justify his bias) and with no ability to INCREASE them. Gogo's only saving grace is 'versatility' with low stats and 'no need to level their magic learned' sort of ease, but by this point your party should already be good with magic, so having someone who doesn't need to be trained to use spells isn't going to help
Well he severely underestimated quite a few of Gau's Rage abilities in his Rage ranking video. As good as Cat Scratch is, there are other Rages that offer good tankiness or more powerful abilities. And then there's the brokenness of Allure.
I love both Gau and Mog, but this video dares a simple, true point many don’t: if the character’s ability proves opaque to most players, it’s worth critiquing in a game with so many other options.
I had Umaro in my party when I fought the ice dragon boss on one of the mountaintop group fights toward the end. Everyone died except him and they kept healing each other with ice damage. I left my console on for 3 entire days and they could never do enough physical attacks in a row kill each other.
Gau is a really good mage if you don't choose to put him in berserker mode at the start of the battle. That, along with 50% chance you get a free and often exclusive magic attack, i think experienced players will find a lot of value in him.
I think the value of this list compared to many others is that it acknowledges one blunt fact: most people aren’t playing FF6 to do research on obscure builds.
@@Thy_Boss Apparently you never tried to use any of the rages he comes with. Would be like playing Edgar and never trying Flash. Five minutes trying out Gau when you pick him up would show you he's at least as strong as Cyan if you're not biased against auto-battle. (he's probably the strongest at the point you get him - if you see him screen clear with magic)
@@mogalixir He's by far the best in the World of Balance, but you have to spend a bit of time in the veldt. The two monsters in the serpent trench that give you giga volt and aqua rake take care of a lot of battles, and if you want physicals of course Stray Cat's cat scratch.
@@SpiritLife I concur. Rage ring, and something else in the other slot. Usually Ribbon until Miracle Shoes, then either situationally. Makes him an absolute wrecking ball in Colosseum.
@@flandarken I remember back when I was a kid and it took me an entire afternoon climbing the damn tower and I prepped like insane for it. Bought like 4 reflect ring from the auction house and went to town on the tower. Then I realized you could literally only fight the boss and ignore the dungeon with Mog. This charm is too much and I cannot believe I could have wasted such special dungeon by cheesing it like this.
Personally i think the Celes x Locke interactions are a highlight of the game. Its about broken people having feelings for each other but dont get together because of their issues meaning they arent ready and what they mean to each other is a major part of their character arcs (Celes's reason for going forward is someone who understands her and Locke's is that he found someone "worth protecting") it enhances their characters and arcs imo So "teen romance" seems like a very over simplification of their dynamic imo
Personally, I think the concept is good, but the execution of very poor. Like, early in the game, someone brings up the concept of Celes' feelings, and she responds by saying something along the lines of "I'm not some love struck girl." Then she proceeds to "develop" into exactly that, up to and including to the extent of nearly killing herself for a friggin ribbon that her "crush" gave her. There is a right way to write a story about a strong female character developing and embracing newfound love, and the Celes x Locke story is not how you do it. To me it actually felt like a reversed character arc. She started off at the "mid" point of her character arc, where she was strong and confident, but wasn't able to embrace her feelings, so she still had learning to go. But instead of developing into that strong character who could also embrace her feelings, she went back into a weak pathetic "love struck girl", where it would have made sense for an arc to start, not end (not necessarily for her, considering that she was a super soldier, and a general of the most powerful military on the planet, starting her off at that state wouldn't make a lot of sense.). Obviously this is personal opinion, but I really thought that Celes' character arc was awful (The whole, losing all hope, to the extent of giving up, but them picking herself up by her bootstraps to push through anyway was alright. But the rest was not.).
@ikeillue8385 what she was like at the start was the flaw she was given. Being closed off and cold to everyone isn't a good thing the point is she develops out of that, gets nicer and opens herself up to Locke. Also her initial personality was likely a result of being groomed into being a general by the empire She never gets weak really she stabs Kefka on the floating continent, and after she finds a reason to live she finds everyone and convinces them to have reasons to fight Kefka and hang on to hope if anything she's stronger after her arc Also she didn't kill herself because of the bandana she killed herself because she thought everyone was gone his bandana was just what let her know the person she most cared for was still alive and gave her hope to keep going
@@banzaialex5984 Yes, I absolutely agree. Thats why I said that it felt like she started off at the mid point of her development. But instead of going from that closed off and cold individual, into a confident secure strong individual, who is open with their feelings, she goes form that to a pathetic clingy desperate child. She does get weak. Again, one of the last things we see her do in the game, is nearly kill herself in order to retrieve a piece of cloth that her crush gave her, and only doesn't die, because he puts himself into danger to save her life. We are talking about two different scenes. I'm not talking about the suicide scene. I get that one. Its her low point in the arc, and she is specifically supposed to be weak and defeated at that time. I'm talking about the very end of the game, when they are escaping from the collapsing tower, and she drops the ribbon, goes back for it, and the floor collapses out from underneath her, and Locke has to go back and save her from falling.
Edgar and Sabin have more story than Locke overall but Locke felt more central to the main theme, especially at the start. He seemed to be built as the POV character.
True, but Locke is always useful, to the end, because he can steal another ragnarok or ultima/atma blade. There are rare treasures held by enemies all the time.
I am happy that terra and Edgar are at the top because I had a combo where I used one of Edgars tools to change an enemy's weakness to my most powerful spell then put terra in trance to hit them with said spell. Works on every enemy in the game
For my team I had the terra and Edgar combo as said before cyan constantly spamming his sword skill 7 for a ton of high damage hits and the last slot changes depending on the enemy
He's not. Kitase said he was included with no backstory just like Umaro. The whole WoR was created in the last 3 months of development. Also, in FF5 you have 2 choices on how to fight Gogo. One is to do nothing and the second is much harder which is to actually fight him and if you win he dies while the first one will send himself to some time/warp thing that isn't the Rift/Void this is proven because you also find Gilgamesh there but not Gogo. Gilgamesh is the only one that is traveling dimensions that according to Kitase.
Edgar was my favourite since I was a kid. FF6 was one of the first RPG I played, and I always put my name on the protagonist. As Terra was a girl, I put on her my "crush" name, and somehow I didnt choose Locke, even playing for the first time; But when I see Edgar, I thought "I want to be this guy". 30 years ago.
I was pretty much the same. Usually Edgar was my character, but I have used Sabin, Locke, and Shadow. But Usually my crush or girlfriend or ex,was,Terra. Of course if I was,Locke my girlfriend was,Celes. 😂
All of your points are valid, and I love that you put Cyan pretty high -- most people tend to put Cyan near the bottom, but I always loved him. My favorite team was always Cyan, Sabin, Mog, and Locke.
I'd put Cyan in the middle. I like the character, the story, his optional special quest, and even his special ability even though it's slow. That's ok cause even the 1st one on the list is useful. My team usually has Terra, Edgar, Sabin, Locke, and Shadow. OK, yes that's 5, I alternate those guys.
One strat I like from HCBaily is to have a party of Cyan, Celes, Gau and Mog. Celes holds Runic, while Mog Berserk dances and Gau berserk rages, giving you auto attacks for all the party allowing time for Cyan’s tech to charge up
it's clear this video is based off of someone just playing the game and not someone getting to WOR and farming up everyone to be literal gods. the game is fundamentally a joke when you've got all the multi-attack stuff going on and hitting for 9999 with each swing. If you really go that route you can win by casting life 3, using potions, and just using 'fight' over and over.
@@Beelzebobby66 Cyan kicks butt in every way. Sure his Bushido take a while to charge, but he's actually perfect for teaching Stop due to his high bulk. And not to mention the innate access to the Zantetsuken, a literal god-tier blade due to Odin's previous use of it, and his Kazekiri blades. Still, Locke is better... I'm thinking of using a Blood Sword/Ultima Weapon setup (Blood Sword hits first to Drain, thus restoring the Ultima Weapon's damage) unless the main targets are Undead, then it's going to be Ultima Weapon/Valiant Knife with the Master's Scroll unless he's Stealing.
Gotta ditto that opinion! Terra is also my fave, though my core four has always been Terra, Celes, Edgar, and Sabin. Terra's storyline probably saved my life in my teens. She, despite literally being a video game character, taught me coping mechanisms to handle abuse.
I am full of admiration for your openness on Terra’s effect on you. And I think on some level I felt something similar, I just didn’t realize how strong that metaphor is. Thank you 😊
My main party was Edgar, Sabin, and Cyan. The fourth character would alternate, with Locke, Terra, Celes, Setzer, or Mog (for the Moogle Charm) all being solid choices.
It's not that Locke is a bad thief... the problem is that FFVI has some of the worst stealing mechanics in the series, especially when it comes to rare steals. WoR Locke has one trump card that absolutely makes him worth using, though: the Valiant Knife. It's basically an inverted Ultima Weapon, meaning Locke deals more damage the bigger the difference between his current and max HP. Also, this damage boost isn't affected by Master's Scroll, so Locke becomes a physical powerhouse with it (like Ultima Weapon, Valiant Knife ignores the target's defense and, at high levels, pretty much ensures 9999 damage all the time).
I loved using that knife. I usually favored Edgar as my character, and gave him the Atma,weapon sword. But you can put the genji glove on Locke, giving him both. Atma always hits high too.
@vladv5126 😆 I love how he gets upset when called a thief. His facial expressions are genius for the time. Now I'm thinking how in classic D&D there was a class called a thief, but it has been renamed rogue in modern times, which is a more inclusive term.
Locke with genji glove and offering with Atma and anything else is game breaking. He'll hit 8x with high damage. He's the most broken character in the game.
Two things to trow this list off a cliff. First, if you know how to use espers to level up your characters stats, Gogo and even Umarow become the weakest members since they can't equip them. Second, available accessories and equipment can make characters more than anything, and in that sense, Shadow should have been definitely above Strago or Celes, specially considering Ichigeki as his mai weapon if you go for him in the world of ruin, but I get the point of him not being an actual party member if you don't save him as a wy to say he is not that important, but hehas a dog and that rocks.
Ranking Celes that low is kinda insane. She is the secondary lead and thus the second main character. She has great stats, great equipment, and natural magic. Terra is techically optional. Celes' story is about learning your place in the world. Challenging what you've grown up knowing and doing what's right. Girl got tortured and scheduled for execution for defying the only path she had ever known.
Celes is amazing early on as well. The ability to shut down certain magical spells and restore her own mana is just freaking awesome. Shes arguably the best spellcaster in the game. Terra is her competitor but using morph costs an extra turn and isnt always available.
Same here Runic outside of Tunnel armor and maybe against the Veil/Slam dancers is the only time its WORTH using the Veil/Slam dancers can full party Fire 2 Ice 2 or Bolt 2 the entire party and depending on your lvs just having the ENTIRE party be hit but those lv 2 spells can easily kill them all at once like at lv 15.
Locke's usefulness is boosted heavily by being one of 4 characters able to use the Illumina, and the Atma Weapon. Those 4 characters (Locke, Celes, Terra, Edgar) can reliably solo the Dinosaur Forest, making it very easy to get them to L99, with max stat boosts (as gaining levels solo means your stat-levelup is perfect with no conflicts). Later in the video: Again Terra's Ability and Usefulness are higher because she can use the best equipment. Gogo's too high. He can't equip Espers, so hit stats never grow. Plus, his equipment options are fairly limited.
Ranking Mog's usefulness at 3/5 is a crime. Underestimates how good Encounter None is and his Dragon Horn+Boots combat special and the physical tankiness with the Snow Muffler.
Yeah...what the hell is that? Locke's story is amazing he has probably one of the best stories in the game that's fully fleshed out, he ends up being pretty powerful (literally JOINS the team with a broken weapon for free) and if you don't like that one, he can equip all other broken weapons in the game, and as an added bonus he provides occasional utility with steals. L take video.
Surprising, #1! I personally have my #1 endgame party lineup as: Terra, Locke, Celes and Sabin. •Terra’s Morph is great •Locke with Genji Glove+Offering •Celes, I actually like Runic a lot (when I don’t absorb my spells🤦♂️) •Sabin is the man. Bum Rush rocks and the dude can Suplex a train 💪 Great vid, @bdewd
Relm was my Colosseum buster. Because I never used her but her stats were still good, giving her the Cat Hat and having her only castable skills being Holy/Flare made her nigh impossible to beat. Usefulness was sky high, even if she never saw the light of day on the main team.
Setzer was by far the weakest link. He's just the airship guy otherwise not used ever. Also, Locke, equip genji glove and whatever turns steal into capture. Double stealing attempts almost always works and can hit hard. Strago sucks too, just a weaker version of Celes and Terra.
Gau that low is a hate crime lol Story wise, sure, but hes the most powerful character in the game, bar none. Sure, he takes a little work learning rages, but so does all your characters learning magic.
It's pretty much impossible to hate Gau if you've ever played a low level game. I'd put him in S tier for that reason. He makes the whole thing feasible, at least until you get Setzer and access to Joker Doom. Even then, some people don't like that kind of cheese, in which case Gau is still the winner.
Yeah I dunno why this guy hates on Gau so much, he's by far one of the best combat characters throughout the entire game, his story presence is minimal sure, but combat and usefulness are the best in the game unless your just adamantly refuse to understand him, which is skill issue.
Why do yall always take everything as hate instead of just respecting opinions not everyone is gonna like the same shit you do.. I'm not the biggest fan of FF6 but if someone else likes it why does that matter too me???@@landmine36
@@DIRTYSOUTHSHINOBI Know what they say about assumptions it makes an ass out of you, I personally don't like Gau and don't usually use him, but that's because I don't like his design or the way he talks, but that doesn't make me delusional into believing he's a bad character, he's the most useful and overpowered character throughout the entire game from the moment you get him until the end, the only way for him to fall off and become not the best is by not using him at all. The main reasons he was ranked so low was because the person said he was so bad in combat, which is just factually untrue resulting in a clear bias against Gau because.... only using blatantly overpowered attacks 50% of the time isn't good enough? Cat Scratch is 4x damage, even if Gau on average only uses it 50% of the time, that means Gau's average damage is 2x anyone elses, if he's using a Break Rage, most enemies in the early game don't have resistance to break, so it's in most situations an unblockable instant death, and same with Gigavolt, another super early spell, with the nearly the same power as Thundaga, an endgame spell at no cost or cast time, it would be completely absurd to be using that 100% of the time every time. It is not an "Opinion" that Gau is better than he listed, it's just an absolute fact. Again I don't like Gau as a character, but i'm not living in complete denial about him either. He would be considered the only S+ Rank combat character in all of FF6.
@@landmine36 cuz we dont need his ass and its boring to find the right encounters and if you just rely on stray cat the whole game then hes like legitimately the single most sleeper character to ever exist
I'd be mad about Gau's placement. But, yeah, he's a very minor character, and Rage is... while I'd argue it's one of the coolest skills in the game, and maybe one of the most powerful personal skills, it was also in no way designed for playability. Not even for the 50% thing - it's just *such* a task to trek all the way back to the Veldt and *hope* you see what you were after. And then you'd better know what you were after to begin with, because the game gives absolutely 0 information in-game about what his Rages are going to do.
In the veldt, the monsters appear in a specific order from the list of ones faced/defeated. The skills learned are only part of the puzzle, he gets inherited immunity/weaknesses, weapon/armor affinities, buffs, and the target skill(s) from each rage. Please learn about this very misunderstood feral "boy".
Yeah Locke definitely needs to be higher. Steal can get you a lot of good equipment. Sure it's not super useful but let's be honest, most characters' special abilities fall off in usefulness in the second half except for Sabin's Blitz. Where Locke shines is his equipment options. He's got access to the best weapons in the game (Ultima Weapon, Ragnarok, Lightbringer, Valiant Knife, and all his back row weapons). Not to mention without Locke there's no access to Ultima, the Palasin Shield, and Lightbringer.
Terra, Celes, Sabin & Edgar are my core team. While Celes's Runic doesn't have "much", I care for her. In fact, the Opera she sung was already touching from the original material. Pixel Remaster pushed its emotional effects OVER 9000 with ACTUAL VA😻😻😻
Solid list! I agree with most everything, even if it hurts my soul to see Celes down so low (though I do argue she's a deutoragonist with Terra; they're both pretty important with the themes of hope and belonging as central themes). Still, I can also understand if the romance gets a bit glurgy. The one I will have to disagree with is Gogo. Specifically, his usefulness stat. While I will not deny it is busted as hell and very, very powerful... you also tied /when/ you get them as part of that as well. They HAVE to have points deducted for being a WoR character and only accessible if you know where they are. Their usefulness should drop to at least a 2.5 or 3 because they aren't available for half of the game.
Gogo's stats also aren't that good and he can't equip Espers to increase them. His damage quickly falls off compared to other party members, reducing his usefulness quite a bit.
@Bdewd to be fair I'd argue Celes' journey of self discovery is far more relatable than Terra. She challenges the only authority she's ever had in her life to do what's right
Gau was actually my favorite and most useful character combat wise. You really get what you put in with him. After doing a lot of intensive rage training, he's an absolute powerhouse. Consistently useful for pretty much the whole game.
My fav Gogo origin theory is that he's a horribly maimed Gesthal who somehow survived being thrown from the floating continent. But like the other guy said, it's most likely just the developers having fun referencing the FFV secret boss
I was gonna disagree about Locke's story rating, but he does kind of become inconsequential in the second half of the game with Sabin and Setzer taking over. So I guess a 3 makes sense. In fact Locke basically fading into the background completely after you reach the world of ruin always kinda irked me considering his prominence in the world of balance. I would say that Celes is another 5/5 for story alongside Terra and Sabin a 4.5/5 though personally. Other than that I agree with the list. And I never used Gogo much, I had too much attachment to other characters by the time you get them. Though I do admit they're quite good. The rumor I always heard was that Gogo was Setzers friend Darill with amnesia/in hiding.
Gogo = Darill is one popular theory. Another is Gogo = Mime from FFV. There's others that are really out there, though. All theories have been shot down by Word of God though, who says Gogo is just their own character, no hidden backstory or easter egg.
Yeah I think Gogo is rated way too highly on this list. While it is nice to be able to use any of the other characters skills his base stats are pretty terrible not to mention you get him so late and he joins at such a high level (because of joining late) that he misses out on lots of esper level up bonuses. I pretty much never used him because anything he could do another party member could just do it better. It was one thing he didn't seem to really consider in his list at all tbh. Like he put Relm lower than Strago in usefulness despite Lore being fairly niche and while sketch is mostly useless she is the strongest magic user in the game (outside of Terra when in Esper form) I found many reasons to have Relm in my party but pretty much never a reason to use Strago. Generally speaking my main party ends up being Terra, Edgar & Sabin + 4th rotating party member. Edgar is strong in WoB with Tools but I usually have him on +Str espers as late game I switch him over to a Dragoon setup with Dragoonboots + Horn as he is the only character (excluding Mog) that can use spears to take full use of Multi jump dragoon damage. Sabin is usually on Double Earring to maximize his early game blitzes like Aura Canon and Flame Dance and then using +magic espers to really help him out. You can get Bum Rush early and makes him a single target powerhouse. AoE he is good but doesn't compare to Terra. Terra is the best magic user due to Morph. Sure she loses on magic power to Relm but when in Morph she obliterates bosses. Usually keep her in the party spamming multi-target magic spells with Gem Box. She is a bit weak early game but she pays off dividends once she can equip espers and with Minerva + Paladin Shield she can easily hit mblock cap making her pretty much unkillable. 4th party member usually switches with which part of the game I am in but it is often Setzer at the end (if I don't plan to grind to a high level) due to Offering + Fixed dice being such a broken combo. If I do plan to grind it will more likely be Celes to be the Offering + Genji Glove & Atma + Illumina combo user.
@@FFgamesftw It wouldn't matter if Gogo started at level 1 or 99. Gogo can't equip Espers at all to get any level up bonuses, meaning those mediocre stats are only going to fall off as everyone levels up.
@@GoeTeeks I remember back in 1994, my neighbor and I settled upon this head canon idea that Gogo was actually Emperor Gestahl. We reasoned that he took on the alter ego and heavily shrouded image of "Gogo" because, 1) the bodily injuries that he would have sustained from being struck by the Goddess' bolt and then from falling from the Floating Continent would have rendered him so grossly disfigured that hiding his true form would have become practically a necessity, and 2) because while he wanted revenge to get revenge on Kefka, as a former emperor, his immense pride probably meant that it would likely have been easier on him to join the side of his former enemies whilst playing the part of an anonymous mime than to show actual humility by admitting to them his true identity / asking for forgiveness for the actions he committed as emperor. And that's if he even remembered who he used to be, as we also supposed that the grievous bodily injuries sustained from the fall from the Floating Continent may have also left him with full amnesia, to the point where he couldn't remember anything about himself, except that maybe his name started with the letter "G" 😉 Obviously, looking back on it now, the idea is ludicrous, but as 11 yr old kids in the pre-internet era of 1994, we really thought we were onto something! 😂
u forgot to mention shadow has his dog to randomly intercept physical attacks and sometimes counter them. and u didnt mention sabin can suplex a TRAIN.
Celes should've been almost tied with Terra because they both have access to some of the best weapons and armor in the game. Likewise, Gau's and Mog's access to Snow Scarf, the best armor in the game, should've put them at a higher spot.
I love the girl, but what really brings her down is Runic from a completely mechanical perspective, dropping her usefulness stat quite a bit. Even if you factor in weapons and armor it would only really increase her unique contributions up by a little and I don't think would do that much to change her placement. Consider Edgar, whose tools and good armor makes him pretty much ready outside of the box, even without any magic investment.
@veghesther3204 It's not crap. It's a niche ability, and only she has it. I certainly prefer Terra, but I hardly use morph. I hate wasting a,round on it.
I want to say this: Each of the 14 has a place in excellence, but if you don't know how to use them (each) correctly... you should not judge their "quality". There is 3 thieves in the game: Locke (2 types), Shadow (& his protector/revenge --> interceptor), and Gogo (I do all things "poorly" because of stats). There have very good uses and they are different and dynamic (learn how to use them wisely). There are 3-5 knights (magical): Terra (buffed), Celes (mag. def.), and Edgar (support/versatile). Cyan is more (tactician, +1 imp/retort glitch) knight than (magical) and Mog is more (terrain) magical than (knight). There are 3 characters that copy monsters: Gau (+1 wind god glitch), Strago, and Relm (+1 invis. glitch). Find strong monsters & get strong attacks. There are 2 luck-based characters: Setzer (rng?, slots) and Umaro (berserk status). I would like to say Sabin is the only hero character in the game. (Heart of gold, strong, reliable, knows what the value/meaning/need for sacrifice).
Your assessment of Sabin is accurate and appreciated by me. I always tell myself I’ll replay FF6 with less Sabin in the party for challenge and a different feel but to me he’s the backbone of any party
Umaro may be useful in the Cultists' Tower or some other corner case, but he's really a demonstration of a virtue of RPGs with large casts of PCs: you can have characters who just serve to make the experience unusual.
So first off I don't think any character is the main character which is one of FF6's greatest strengths IMO I don't really think I could make a list for full usefullness, however realm will always be at the bottom for me, she comes in too late and leaves almost immediately and is a pain to get back. Umaru while annoying to get starts out with great stats and given armor and relics can be quite the beast. Strago also is very annoying as his main gimmick requires so much time investment into getting. By far I love the characters that hit physically hard, give me sabin, celes, cyan and terra (part of this has to go into what a character can equip). But the gengi glove and offering can turn into 8 ultimas when built right and that just can't be beat.
Main character is probably the wrong term - but you have to admit a large portion of the story is focused on Terra and Celes over many other characters, which is essentially what people mean when they say they're 'main'
I think not taking natural equipment on Locke is a loss. He can equip Illumina and Atma Weapon without the Merit Badge, which on its own is enough to make him a boss with a Genji Glove, which you can get *really* early. EDIT: Love the Setzer description with the trampoline. LMAO
Valiant knife is better than atma weapon, btw. Ragnarok esper (Ultima) has item morph for the duplicates of rare items. Steal the sword from the last boss.
I'll add my thoughts about the characters in the order you listed them: (This is going to be a long comment so be sure to have a cup of coffee next to you while reading this) Umaro: Umaro is basically only useful in the Fanatics Tower because he deals a good consistent damage and doesn't suffer from the only magic enchantment and the fact that most enemies have reflect. Gau: Gau is useful when you first get him and collect some of his rages. He is in fact the only character who can perform an AOE attack during Sabin's Scenario with "Lesser Lopros". It's a strong AoE spell for the first half of the game which helps you in Zozo as well as in the Magitek Factory. Other than that, if you learn the "OverMind / Oversoul" rage (from the rare encounter in Phantom Train), he gets a pretty strong single target magical spell from it that can help you. Other than that, I don't really like him and when I played the game the first time I didn't use him at all. (leaving Setzer and him behind at Kefkas Tower) Mog: I DISAGREE! Mog is cute, joins at a high level when you first get him in WoB which helps for casual playthrough and he offers great damage output if you put on him the DragoonerBoots as well as Dragon Horn so he can jump up to 4 times. (he is with Edgar the only character who can equip Lances which make Jump stronger by I think 125%) While you are often better off with Edgar using his tools or magic rather than his jump abilities, Mog is the jumper himself! He got a strong nerf in the PixelRemaster though as you can just disable encounters by default in contrast to the SNES. If on SNES, he crushes Fanatics Tower with Moogle Charm. Relm: I agree. She is the one of the latest characters in WoB AND WoR and with that barely knows any spells. Locke: Actually agree. I literally prefer Cyan over him early game because Locke's damage output just sucks! (Until late game when you have Ultima Weapon and ValiantKnife) He is good though for stealing. For example you can steal a Tempest from Number 128 with Locke which you can equip to Cyan. You find another Tempest in a chest a little bit later in the game and if you equip both to Cyan using Genji Glove he is a strong guy! Tempest can cause a Wind Attack to every enemy and having twice the chance to do so can be a game changer. Also Rachel's story never got near me because it's LITERALLY MISSABLE. Also he's a dick to Celes accusing her of being a traitor and messing his relationship with her up. She was too much of a baddie to fumble... Also he is the hardest character to recruit in WoR. Shadow: Shadow's backstory always touched me. I just love him. He is the reason why the party continues to live on Floating Continent! Also he is a mysterious ninja... I just love that archetype so I would have put him higher. He is Relm's father! Being a father to a character that sucks is a downside though. I love throwing Heal Rods with him on enemies though because of their high attack power. (the only right way to use Heal Rods) Strago: Same as Relm but a bit better. I don't like his story and he is just as useless as Relm if you don't know about the Lores (WHICH AS A KID I DIDN'T CARE ABOUT) He is good for a water spell though. Setzer: Every time I play the game I like Setzer more! I begin to start the Slot mechanic as well. He has shitty stats though in my opinion. His story is great and I love his style! I did him wrong leaving him behind on Kefka's Tower as a kid though. Celes: Can't add anything here except he was my childhood crush. Runic sucks I guess? I love playing as her though and she's great for WoR. If she has a strong magic stat you will destroy anything with her! She is the character who learns the most esper spells in the game because I think she has one of the highest playtimes. Cyan: Loved him as a kid, becomes worse the longer I play the game. His ability is outperformed by most others. It just takes an eternity to power up. He is great in WoB though with Double Tempest and solid Sword "1" consistent damage. Love his backstory though and art of talking. Gogo: ??? Weird character. It can't even unlock the Paladin's Shield!! In fact, Gogo is the only character which is not able to uncurse the Cursed Shield when equipped. (I MADE THIS MISTAKE AS A CHILD) It took me hours to realise! I hated Gogo since that. I don't know if this bug was fixed in the PR. Sabin: Always a good character. Great backstory, good looks and soundtrack. Extremely strong and useful. Not much to add here! One thing that comes to my mind: As a kid, I always leveled Strength to him because he looks like a powerful man! He looks like a physical fighter and when I learned that magic is actually the better stat to learn blew my mind back then... Terra: Overrated! This is subjective though, as I just think Celes is the better girl. Also you play more with Celes which make her learn more spells than Terra. You lose Terra for a good amount of WoB and when entering the Sealed Cave she starts with very little spells. Morph is great though in WoR! Definitely a big damage dealer later! (Ultima 9999) Edgar: Yeah. He is the best. I would have unsubscribed if you didn't place him on #1 :D His tools are so useful and he is the funniest character! I love his dialogue. They did a good job writing him. Also I love how he disguises as Gerad which is an acronym to Edgar. His interaction with women is very funny :D As funny as he is, he is a genius though! He is never not useful. Always put him in my party. His tools are OP in WoB as much as in WoR. If I could choose a team to beat the entire game with I would choose the following characters: Edgar (Tools/Jump) Celes (Magic/Heal) Sabin (Spam Blitzes) which can also heal or AoE attack Shadow (Throw 99 Shurikens and use Interceptor counters!) Pretty good ranking overall though! :) Thanks for reading this comment if you made it that far. Let me know your thoughts about what I wrote down :D
Gau can be kinda good if you get Stray Cat, Gold Bear (if you somehow missed Stray Cat), or Overmind (for reasons you've described already.), but also getting Toe Cutter and Luridan later gives you enemy abilities that are basically Flare but can't be reflected. I will admit he does require investment to actually be really good. To get the most out of Stray Cat or Gold Bear, he practically requires a Genji Glove and/or Offering. And for Overmind/Luridan/Toe Cutter's powerful neutral magic spells, you're contending with the 50/50 chance that Gau randomly selects the underwhelming physical move. Also, depending on which rages you're going to be using longterm, gear and/or esper stat distribution will likely be different. If you're going to be using Catscratch a lot, pump some Strength into him. If you're going to be using Shrapnel a lot, then pump some Magic into him. I personally like using Gau, but I can understand why some people might not. As for Setzer, I personally just enjoy throwing Fixed Dice and watching enemies crumble to the arts of gambling. Even if you don't want to expend an Offering on him, he's just as effective with DragoonBoots and Dragon Horn. Fixed Dice is really cracked. Also, Umaro is also incapable of uncursing the Cursed Shield, by virtue of not being able to equip it on him in the first place. And fun fact: If you dive deeper and hacked into the game to make him equip the shield (or play a randomizer that lets him be equippable), he still wouldn't be able to uncurse the shield because he has the same properties as Gogo. So, yeah. Good to know.
With both,Gau ^& Strago I just learn a,few techniques. I always make sure Gau got Ghost before going home to Narshe. But they're both just not characters most of us care enough about to invest time in. I do see your point that Celes has more time to develop magicite power.,And that's in both world of balance and ruin Terra sits out. Runic isn't bad, but highly niche. Likewise, I don't really like to waste a turn on Terra,to transform her.
Kinda random but I have a theory that Banon and Duncan are the same person. Duncan could be an alter-ego created to watch over Sabin after he fled to the mountains, perhaps a task that Edgar gave him. The reasons I believe this because: You never have access to both characters in the same timeline. Sabin/Duncan's house (that has 3 beds, for Duncan, Vargas, and Sabin) is very close to the Returner's hideout. You don't even see Duncan until the WoR, and Banon is nowhere to be found (No Returners either?) Banon has curative powers like Sabin that do not use MP. Same eye color and similar appearance. The only thing that may not add up is the Vargas/Duncan incident and what happens at the Returner's Hideout, but if I remember correctly Banon and the party needed a rest, perhaps he was privately healing from what happened.
It could have worked in the original game but not anymore. I mean they gave him the oracle class and the pray ability (the same ability rosa had in ff4) in later versions of the game In the original game it was called health and it was pretty similar to the chakra ability from the MONK CLASS in ff4 and ff5. But biggest problem is how could Banon go undercover and not get immediately recognized by Sabin even if amnesia is involved. But this whole Duncan is dead shit is just plain weird at this point. I mean he never tells you about Vargas trying to kill him or anything.
Edgar is the main character, imo. You don’t meet kefka till you get him and in the world of ruin he’s the only one who hasn’t forgotten his mission like everyone else. Side note: he’s also got a big heart. People like to misconstrue him talking with realm but really he was considering the fact that the child might get killed.
Edgar also has the advantage of not being an optional character at the end of the game. Its weird to me that so many people say that Terra or locke are the mains, when they are ultimately optional when world of ruin comes around.
@@CurlyFromTheSwirly I believe that there are 3 options for main character in FF6, as there are only 3 characters that are mandatory to finish the game. Edgar, Celes, and Setzer. I don't think anyone is arguing that Setzer is the main, since his contribution is essentially an airship. Edgar and Celes are both mandatory to finish the game with, and both have their stories closely tied with the main story of the game. Personally, I lean a little more Celes, due to her kind of being the POV character for WOR, but I could be swayed to Edgar.
@ikeillue8385 I never really looked at anyone as a main in FF6. It was just a different game and group. FF1 didn't have character development, but FF2 did. Both of these had multiple protagonists. On others before, we saw definite main characters, like Cecil in FF4 and Bartz of FF5. Then later returning to a central character in FF7 with Cloud at the helm. I always looked at FF6 as whichever character I put my name on is the main. However, then there's people who say Terra is the main of WOB, while Celes is (again) the main of WOR. Even with all that said, I do feel the producers had Terra a lot more spotlighted if any one character was intended to to be the main. The game starts with Terra, ends with her heritage saving thr group. Her ties to the esper world are important and leader Banon states she is their hope.
@@iiiiiifggffggffgfgfg Yeah like why are we walking up this silly tower and fighting everything? Soon as I learned the moogle charm was a thing I refuse battle my way up that thing again. I can just carve up dinosaurs for grinding purposes.
@@iiiiiifggffggffgfgfg I have great (well great means BAD) memories of grinding for reflect rings and spending an entire afternoon climbing the tower. As a kid I genuinely could not think of any ways to even clear this tower due to only being able to use magic and some enemies having reflect making it impossible for you to attack. So as a Kid my first instinct was shit I will just reflect my guys and bypass their own reflect. FAQs and speedruns are bad in a way that they discourage finding your own ways and you testing shit out. Sure now as an adult there is no way in hell I would not use moogle charm and just cheese the fuck out of that dungeon but I still remember how BAD this tower was as an adult. Truly traumatizing lol. And I did not know at all about Umaro being useful here.
One Strategy that I found early game that I use is when the party splits up after the Returners and Lete River is to equip one person with a True Knight relic and then keep the other in critical HP and then have them attack and they’ll use their limit break if you will more often
I’m surprised shadow was so low, in combat he’s fantastic with interceptor’s ability to block and counterattack. I don’t think any other characters have such a good passive bonus
Umaro's real utility is in the collosseum since you can't control the character in that anyway his berserker status is actually helpful as it removes the chance of the AI doing something stupid and instead just attacking every turn as is usually ideal anyway.
So okay this man must be young having just played 6 or something so ill take this as a modern players thoughts on it however mog being that low is a crime. He is one of the best characters in the game with his jump being able to hit 8 times all for 9999 he can also be a good mage like the mages. Gaus rages are op, dude has access to flare at an early place in the game. Not to mention cat scratch, mus ability,ninja scroll. Umoroo or whatever is a good tank for mog. He should only be situational since hes immune to fire i think. Shadow....there is a way to keep shadow in your party til the very end. He can hit 8 times with two daggers so if you have one say two assassin daggers you could just kill everyone in one shot. His ninja stars also hit a solid 9999 ignoring defense i think. Locke.....without locke man you couldnt get some good weapons by stealing you'd have to get the Ragnarok summon. And without locke we wouldnt have the opera scene. So to put him that low story wise...thats just crazy. My order from best to worst would be Mog Gau Shadow Sabin Terra Edgar Setzer Celes Locke Strago Gogo Umaroo Realm Ive always found realm useless because the others are so much better. I learned that if you use rages with strago in the team that he'll learn blue spells faster.
i have played since i was a wee lad late 90's but also play as a speedrunner and i did try to look more at it casually but it does go like this: mog - moogle charm mule, decent magic stat to get thru 1 boss gau - sux shadow - sux and waste time sabin - decent, bum rush access (more for gogo) terra - good, sadge she takes to long ot get in WoR ed - good setzer - good in glitched runs celes - good locke - bad but fast, smoke bomb chucker really strago - bad gogo - great umaro - sux relm - sux but ya, first time player mostly :)
@@Bdewd you already gave your list idk why you felt the need to say it again. I get it you don't understand brokenness. Gau one hit kills any kind of behemoth except instigar. Ive taken the time to get everyone maxed out unlike you who only plays for speed runs as it seems. Your opinion sux and that's fine not everyone are geniuses.
"Do you know the Muscle Man?" "The Muscle Man?" "The Muscle Man, the one who lives on Mount Kolts" I probably would have put either Gogo's ability or usefulness at 4. Their inability to equip espers means you can't customize or optimize their stats. Which isn't too much of a hindrance for a normal playthrough, but for optimizers like myself who like to grind, it's a bit of an annoyance.
I did a no magic run, making sabin / gogo top tier (manta, fire dance, bum rush), and celes using runic was great on bosses, as i didn't have to worry about accidental absorption.
I'm replaying it and I was starting to agree with you on Edgar until he meets Relm and asks her how old she is. She says 10 and he says, "Let's hope you're still around in 8 years."
This must have been tough. I'm taking availability and usefulness into account. I need to turn off my randomizer brain for a minute... Terra: Immediately available. Best weapons. High magic. Loses a lot of mid game availability. Morph is very specific when you can use it well. Celes: Available early on, mandated in World of Ruin. Best weapons. High magic. Runic is pretty bad outside of the Tunnel Armor fight, but you should be attacking with her anyway. Locke: High and early availability, with many forced dungeons until World of Ruin. Fast, great weapons. Valiant Knife *drools*. lol magic. Relm: Joins in Thamasa, WoR recruitment is pretty quick. Best mage in the game, bar none. Cat Hood for easy money. Sketch glitch??? Edgar: Joins early on. Mandated in World of Ruin. Tools will carry you through early & mid game. Late game he becomes a dragoon or wields big swords. Figabro. Sabin: Joins early on. Not mandated in World of Ruin but you have to purposely avoid him to do it. Blitz is useful until late game, then you get Phantom Rush and life is good again. Equipment pool sucks. Figabro. Shadow: Availability is hit-or-miss (you did wait for him, right?) Throw is busted strong throughout the entire game. Instakill knives are nice when you need 'em. Mog: Start the Lone Wolf chase and choose him or lose him. Easy to recruit in the World of Ruin after getting your airship. Great with magic, great dragoon. Setzer: He's playable starting from the Crane fight. Mandatory World of Ruin character. If you don't know how Joker Doom works, he's OK. Everything is random about him, makes sense as he's a gambler. But you want more reliable people. Gau: Available early on. Easy recruit in World of Ruin once you get the Airship. Requires encyclopedic knowledge of the Rage system to utilize properly, and it's only worth it 50% of the time. Then again Catscratch is all you need, MEOW! Gogo: Gogo's stats suck, but Blitz/Magic/Throw is probably all you need. Or crack an elemental rod and let Gogo mimic it to eternity. Super late game. Cyan: Angry Samurai Dad is sloooooow and has bad magic, in a game where fast magic casting will carry you through. Bushido gives him 8 slow casting abilities, while SwdTech keeps your team unable to act as he's charging. Too slow to use his later abilities, although #4 is mostly all you need. Umaro: Yeti is besti. Except for his availability, World of Ruin and locked behind Mog. And his controlability, he's always berserked. But at this point you just need someone to hold A and punch things, and Umaro's got that on lock down. Snow Muffler/Scarf means he's never taking physical or ice damage. Easy access to autohit defense ignoring attacks. Rage Ring wakes up sleeping/confused characters.
I turned Sabin into a DND character, and gave him feats to be able to suplex pretty much everything. Giant spider=Suplex hill giant=Suplex Mummified kitten=Suplex Adult Red Dragon= Suplex (Nat 20 helped on that attempt)
In my early playthroughs of the game back in the 90s, I used to use a lot of the more exotic characters and abilities a lot more, like Setzer's Slots, Mog's Dance, Cyan's SwdTech, Gogo's Mimic (didn't know about the selectable skills until later), Shadow's Throw, and Gau's Rage. But as time went on and I learned more about the game's mechanics -- particularly the bugged Magic Evasion stat and the equipment that enhances it -- I just stuck with Terra/Celes/Edgar/Sabin as much as possible. They have some of the best equipment, some of the best starting MagPwr stats for Terra and Celes, the free and game-wrecking Tools/Blitz for the Figaro brothers (which can be enhanced by boosting their MagPwr), and are widely available throughout most of the game. For me, Locke fills in during Zozo and Sealed Cave since he gets forced in after those areas, Setzer gets some grinding ahead of Daryl's Tomb, and everyone else gets just enough training to pull their weight in Kefka's Tower. Maybe the game creators knew that Terra/Celes/Edgar/Sabin was overpowered, since they don't let you use that party in any plot-relevant, normal-combat areas until the escape from the Floating Continent.
Sabin, Cyan, Edgar, and Terra was my go to party. IIRC, Terra with Genji + Offering for Atma weapon ridiculousness. Cyan, Sabin, and Edgar all had one target 9999 moves.
My team is usually Sabin, Edgar, Mog, Cyan. I'll probably switch out Mog for Locke if the steal tables are worth it. Free stuff is always good. Maybe Cyan for Gau since I know what Rages to use.
Some characters do have some niche uses even if they aren't that great a choice for your main party. I like to use Locke as my Colosseum fighter. I make sure not to teach him any magic, and equip him with the Thief Glove, Offering, and the Atma Weapon. This way he will always do 4 attacks and wont do anything randomly. You can give him good speed by equipping Odin before leveling up, just be careful not to learn Meteor by forgetting to take it off!
I think Gau would be much better if you didn't lose control of him, could switch rages mid-battle, and (for a little extra flavor) have him do an Altered Beast style transformation when he activates a rage.
Not a bad list. My only problem with it is that you didn't consider exclusive weapons and equips in the list. For example, Terra and Celes can equip the best armor (minerva) and the best weapon (ragnarok / lightbringer). For a casual play, the list is very accurate, except fot Setzer and Gogo. Gogo is hard to find if you don't know the game and even harder to use effectively because of its atrocius bad equips and stats. Setzer is just an rng joke and I don't know any casual player that liked to play with Slots or the bad GP Toss.
Merit award exists which makes the gear thing *sorta* moot in some circumstances. And the setzer thing is a split due to some versions allowing you to manip the slots and some you can't.
@@Bdewd I concour with the Merit Award and slot manips if your list only consider the snes version (ps1 version Gau can't use Merit Award, and in any other version neither can Gogo). But as an counter argument Merit Award is an secret WoR iten and not something a casual player will get. Same with Slot manips but i concour that 7 flush, chocobop amd airship (outside of snes version) are very easy to get.
Oh and I really like your channel....been looking forward to your lists.... May I suggest 10 best/worst relics 10 most difficult bosses 10 best overall gear/relic set up (things such as using Genji Glove and Offering ...on setzer with 2 fixed dice.... its INSANE damage
Idk if people would know about this, but Setzer's best dice can hit 9999 pretty early in the WoR and Mog can get you access to that early with moogle charm, get the 4x attack relic and those dice and you can basic attack for ~2,700-40,000 damage per turn... Think that would put him higher but I guess this is a situational thing though
SwdTech should be 1/5 there’s never a reason to use it as a serious option. Usefulness is debatable honestly. Masters scroll + Scimitar or Kazekiri is pretty good but not great.
Oy. After so many lists, you'd think you'd really know this game. Gau is embarrassingly low here, as he's ridiculously OP'd, especially early on. And you acknowledge Cyan's horrendous magic stat (definitely a top key stat in the game), but you still have him above a character like Celes. I know this is your list, but some of this is objectively silly.
he's so good that the only reason he's used in 1 category of speedrun is cuz of leap, and otherwise he's the bane of everyones existence cuz he's OH SO GOOD that he kills runs by not showing up and then sits on the side cuz he's "just too good of a character" :) ya he's awesome
If you grab Stray Cat (Cait Sith) early on, you will obliterate all foes with one attack. In the second half of the game, the flower picture enemy in the Relm scenario will grant you some unfair powers. Gau can be unreal. Cyan and his waiting time? Yeah, no. Level up Locke's attack power and keep him with top weapons and a Gengi Glove.
Edgar is the best character in the game. His tools are super powerful, cost nothing once bought, never miss, ignore defense, can cause status effects, and are fast. On top of that he can equip swords, spears, and heavy armor. The guy is almost perfect.
@@csmith3248 that's where Espers come in. In my partial playthroughs (I've never beaten Kefka's Tower), I typically have Edgar pick up Magic with Stop being a prime choice to pick up the slack from his Tools in WoR as a "Mystic Dragoon" setup. Heck, one of his best weapons, the Enhancer, boosts Magic!
@@ThePikachunianRebel That’s one way of setting him up in the WOR However I try to avoid building everyone as a magic user as it’s time consuming and have to micro mange the spells they learn from an esper and switch for the bonus stat at level up I prefer to just boost Edgar’s strength and give him the dragon horn and dragoon boots without needing to learn magic
@@csmith3248 generally I hit the Veldt for Esper training/Morph charging so I can focus on stat management in other areas where I can get EXP. I typically give Gau, Mog, and Edgar Magic as a safety net in case Mog's Dance fails repeatedly or physical attacks with Gau get countered easily. The Rages are a extra benefit since once Gau learns offensive Magic, I don't use Rage as much. My best early Rage combo, Crasshopper + Templar, is easily replaced with out of battle Float casting and summoning Ifrit and Golem. Typically when I get Ramuh/Siren/Kirin/Cait Sith, I give Celes Ramuh to learn Thundara and Poison, Locke gets Siren for the HP +10% for later Ultima Weapon slinging, Kirin goes to Sabin since Mantra isn't available yet (yes, I find the worst Blitz actually quite useful until White Wind is learned) and Edgar gets Cait Sith for a slight humor factor but also the +1 Magic for later with learning the level 2 and level 3 spells.
@@csmith3248 quick sidetrack: I've thought up partial YT Music playlists for some of the Returners: Terra: To the Dungeons! by CG5 Hero of Our Time by NateWantstoBattle Never Easy by CG5 Locke: Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen Beer for My Horses by Toby Keith Smooth Criminal by Michael Jackson Edgar: As Good as I Once Was by Toby Keith Never Gonna Give You Up by Rick Astley Sabin: Eye of the Tiger by Survivor Believer by Imagine Dragons Gonna Fly Now by the Rocky Orchestra Setzer: 24K Magic by Bruno Mars The Gambler by Willie Nelson Shadow: Another One Bites the Dust by Queen You Can't Touch This by (very iffy on this one) MC Hammer Back in Black by (iffy again!) ACDC Cyan: Knight of the Wind cover by NateWantstoBattle Umaro: We Will Rock You by Queen Unfounded Revenge from Mother 3 (which became Smashing Song of Praise) Gogo: Phantom Dancing by CG5 Endless Possibilities by Bowling for Soup (it's in Sonic Unleashed; wait a bit on the title screen to see it) As a side note: CG5 (also known as Charlie Green V) does fan songs: To the Dungeons! was for Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Red/Blue Rescue Team; Never Easy was for the Smash Bros series; and Phantom Dancing was for the original Luigi's Mansion.
@veghesther3204 I mean you still need 3 teams to traverse the tower to get to Kefka. Usually Realm or Gogo is the 1 I would exclude for 3 parties of 4 people. I definitely wouldn't put him in the top batch for fighting Kefka though. That's a whole different ballgame, and you need healers.
Sabins broken, easily the best. Gau is underrated when you have the good rages. Cyan is overrated because his skill takes way too long to charge up, can’t aim, and often utilizes his terrible magic stat (for some reason his physical samurai blade skills use magic).
Gau being "decent in challenge runs" is a severe understatement. He is by far the most powerful and useful character (and its not even remotely close) in Low Level runs, and to be completely honest I don't even think Minimum Level runs (for the purposes of both "perfect save" runs and "sub 90 total party level setup" where you keep everybody at lvl 6-7 and Gau at lv16-17) would even be possible without Gau carrying you through Num128 and Airforce fights, by far the most brutal fights pre WoR in a LL Run. Not only that but the fact that Gau can soak Exp alone and be removed from the party pre Floating Continent by Leaping into one and only picking him up post WoR allows you to de-level your average party level which is extremely useful for both generic "low level challenge" and "prefect save" runs. Not to mention the extremely interesting routing where you go through the Sabin's entire journey again with a full party for the purposes of leaving Gau at the Velts. He is the first to learn extremely useful abilities like Gigavolt(Thundaga), Aquabreath, and Reraise, all pre Floating Continent. He is just generally a very fun character to play with if you are doing a low level run in general, doesn't even have to be minimum level runs. I highly suggest you try it out, you'll definitely have a blast.
Gau is honestly one of my favorites, if you know how to use his rages well he is a powerhouse from when you get him to near the end of the game. He is almost always in my main party or in the second tier party
Sabin should get a bonus point for being able to suplex a ghost train.
Don't forget that he also Can suplex himself
Also, first emotional support for Celes after the world is ruined.
The figaro coin is double-headed, but not the same on both side. One head is Sabin and the other side is Edgar.
That's just the cinematic thing though. Celes uses the coin in game later
I figured that edgar made it when their parents died and kept it secret from Sabin, and then remembers it later, which is what prompts him to ask for a coinflip that he knows sabin will 'win'.
It's the same coin that Celes uses later with Setzer later- how Celes gets it is a mystery, but I assume Edgar lends it to her.
@Selgeron yes she asks for it in game, and then it gets decided. Setzer inspects it and it has two identical sides. If Sabin is in the party he'll respond. It's an identical sided coin confirmed by in game events more than once
So Edgar went to the royal mint and had a coin made the day that his father the king died featuring both his and his brother's face? Doubt.
@@-Keith- for all we know it was like a month later, and Sabin had just been grieving.
Or their parents made the two headed coin because they wanted the two to rule together but Sabin didn't know about it because he was too disconnected from royal politics.
Just thinking outloud really.
Umaro has his place and time - Namely, helpful in the Fanatics Tower, if you go with THAT tactic
Umaro in the Frank Reynolds meme “so I just start punching.”
Yeah he frigging rocked that tower
He rocks where monsters are weak to cold too. Blizzard orb rocks.
And even then, I'd rather have a magic user in his slot.
I agree, I like to bring him to the Fanatic's Tower. And his body slam and "throw other party member" moves have pretty good power. A shame he can't equip an esper to get level up bonuses.
The "mystery" of Gogo's identity only exists because FF5 didn't come out in America. Gogo's identity isn't a mystery: he's Gogo, an optional boss from FF5, making a cameo in this game as a playable character. That's all.
And the whole Daryl arc, is flawed, since in game, Gogo is referred to as ‘he’ and Daryl was a ‘she’
Yeah… I sometimes marvel at the ability of playground theorizing to dominate conversations among adults who can easily find the real, and more interesting, answers.
What? lol. So you know more than Kitase the director of Final Fantasy 6? He said Gogo was a quickly added character with no story background. Gogo in FF6 has nothing to do with FF5 nor is he Daryl or anything. He has no story at all. Heck, the entire world of Ruin didn't even exist when the developers were finished with the game. They had 5-6 months or something I forgot so they decided to create the world of Ruin and everything in it.
@@Thy_Boss back in the day we didn't have Google to tell us the answers. Just the kid who's uncle works for Nintendo, honest!
@@NAzo. ....did you seriously just claim that Gogo has "nothing to do with" the identical-looking, identically-named, identically-behaving character from the immediately previous game? Because apart from that (which is laughably and demonstrably false) nothing you said contradicts what I said.
The Figaro brothers are my favorite characters, and are always in my team once you get Espers, for the stat growth.
My main team is Edgar, Sabin, Terra, and Celes. Arguably the "main" characters, but definitely a powerful team.
If the twins aren’t your favorite characters, I’d question your ability to perform basic functions 🤣
Their story gets depth that most of the others do not.
Like yourself, both are always in my party unless I’m forced to use alternate party members for a scenario or w/e.
My main party differs slightly, though:
Edgar, Sabin, Terra/Celes (favor towards Celes for Runic), then Locke.
There are probably better characters than Locke, but that steal skill is so damn valuable for nicking great weapons and gear (example - getting Gaia Gear long before you can purchase it, stacking expensive Gold Shields for WoB ‘end gear’, stealing excessive amounts of Relics then selling them - my list goes on).
Locke is the bastard that started my love affair with the Thief class in RPGs. Definitely a DEX build nut
My group was always Edgar, Terra, Celes, and Cyan. Mostly based on story favs but it does seem to correlate with usefulness.
Edgar, Sabin, Terra/Celes, and usually Locke.
sabin #1. suplexes a train, holds up a burning building, and has one of the best lines in the game "you think a minor thing like the end of the world was goona do me in?"
my favorite team was Sabin, Edgar Cyan and the 4ths slot would go between terra, celes, and shadow.,
Mine was mog, sabin, shadow, and setzer
I would put Gogo much further down on the list because even though mime is good, you can never increase gogo's base stats through esper bonuses so his attacks will never hit as hard as the rest of your party, and doing damage fast is kinda the bread and butter of combat in this game.
Gogos strength is the ability to use any other character skills and his ability to cast high level magic at no cost.
That and when I had HIM join at lv 99 unlike Umaro Gogo can still hit 9999 damage with Ultima spells, Sabins Final blitz or Thrown weapons.
Also as far as story goes, gogo has no story
I never use Gogo, primarily because they have no story, but also because they're kind of like Kimahri in FFX where it's like "Whatever role I put you in, I already have one of those." Redundancy is their whole personality. Yeah, I guess you can Mimic spells for free, but you gotta set that up by making sure they go directly after the spell, possibly waiting around and not having other party members act. Also, it's not that big a deal to just slap an MP cost reduction relic on a normal caster and just have them use whatever I want them to in the moment.
And by the time you get Gogo, abilities are useless: Physical attacks or spells are better than any ability you could possibly use at that point.
I'm happy that cyan got a respectable #5 I really love him as a character
Me as a kid: lol why you crying Cyan? Next screen.
Me as a married father: I can’t even imagine. 😭
@@miked9594 I agree! Since I've had my kid games and movies hit very differently
I saw an article last year that said he was the wosrt character, cause his special took too long to use.
@@CurlyFromTheSwirly that's why you team him up with Gau, Umaro and Mog: they can all act on their own while Cyan charges up 😅. They even changed it in the pixel remaster. Now you select the ability and he charges while you can select other team members actions.
@Unpetitmax
No thanks. I'm a control freak. 😹
The insistence that 3+2+3=8.5 somehow isn't even the worst thing about this video.
like Gau being the second worst character in this game... when he's super easily abusable..
@@dragamesshould have been the worst, not second worst.
@@vladv5126 I could give a lot more comprehensive list, and first and foremost is how the game is optimized or how a standard run goes. IN a standard blind run, I can understand Gau not being seen as good because you'd have to grab his rages and then use it, get lucky by seeing 'stray cat cat scratch'. But when you optimize him, there's a lot of ways to break him. Even without that, his stats are among the highest of the group, he comes low enough level that he can be turned into a solid mage with bulk (like Mog just mog comes later so less levels to play with) or even the imp gear abuse with rage (equip all the imp gear onto him, start him in a rage, then cast imp on him if it isn't resistant to the status. Or cast imp before and he no longer gets use of 'rage' can can just attack normally but with really strong imp gear.)
The bottom two characters for any sort of playthrough as long as you have a brain are Umaro and Gogo. Gogo has awful equipment options and with the lowest starting stats of the characters. (So Bdewd straight up lied here to justify his bias) and with no ability to INCREASE them. Gogo's only saving grace is 'versatility' with low stats and 'no need to level their magic learned' sort of ease, but by this point your party should already be good with magic, so having someone who doesn't need to be trained to use spells isn't going to help
@@dragamesI was going to say this. Stray and Cat scratch is OP AF. That 9999 is hard to pass up.
@@vladv5126 so is this supposed to be bait or are you that much of a moron to genuintely believe that?
Gau being a 2.5 in usefulness when he breaks WoB while having 2 game breaking Rages in the WoR is umm………noooooooo this was a miss.
Stray cat rage is insane. I played through the game the first time without using Gau once. Time 2 now. He's always coming with me.
Criminally underrating both Gau and Mog IMO. Barely mentioned Mog's super powerful jumping build, which is exclusive to him and Edgar.
I have never used jump much, however Gau is broken gameplay wise lol.
I dislike playing as Gau but he's definitely got a great story and his dialogue has some special moments.
Well he severely underestimated quite a few of Gau's Rage abilities in his Rage ranking video. As good as Cat Scratch is, there are other Rages that offer good tankiness or more powerful abilities. And then there's the brokenness of Allure.
I think it's odd he underestimates,Gau but likes Strago. 😂
I love both Gau and Mog, but this video dares a simple, true point many don’t: if the character’s ability proves opaque to most players, it’s worth critiquing in a game with so many other options.
If you don’t cry when Locke revives Rachel and she forgives him you have no heart.
Locke was a creep and his plot is cringe af. there is nothing normal about preserving the corpse of someone YOU killed.
@@AnAverageGoblin☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻
Locke is a Necrophiliac
I do have a heart I’m just not a necropheliac.
From time to time, I still find myself listening to the song, “Forever Rachel.”
I had Umaro in my party when I fought the ice dragon boss on one of the mountaintop group fights toward the end. Everyone died except him and they kept healing each other with ice damage. I left my console on for 3 entire days and they could never do enough physical attacks in a row kill each other.
Gau is a really good mage if you don't choose to put him in berserker mode at the start of the battle. That, along with 50% chance you get a free and often exclusive magic attack, i think experienced players will find a lot of value in him.
I think the value of this list compared to many others is that it acknowledges one blunt fact: most people aren’t playing FF6 to do research on obscure builds.
@@Thy_Boss Apparently you never tried to use any of the rages he comes with. Would be like playing Edgar and never trying Flash. Five minutes trying out Gau when you pick him up would show you he's at least as strong as Cyan if you're not biased against auto-battle. (he's probably the strongest at the point you get him - if you see him screen clear with magic)
@@mogalixir He's by far the best in the World of Balance, but you have to spend a bit of time in the veldt. The two monsters in the serpent trench that give you giga volt and aqua rake take care of a lot of battles, and if you want physicals of course Stray Cat's cat scratch.
I can't resist seeing Umaro throwing party members at enemies! Plus he can be immune to fire so he fits a Merton party setup
I like taking him up the fanatic’s tower and letting him bust up those guys, especially with the Gauntlet relic equipped to give him over 255 AtkPwr
@@flandarken do you use atlas armlett on him? I don't like the blizzard orb, just the rage ring
I agree, Umaro is fun to have in the party. I use Sabin/Gogo/Edgar/Umaro when I really want to wreck shit fast.
@@SpiritLife I concur. Rage ring, and something else in the other slot. Usually Ribbon until Miracle Shoes, then either situationally.
Makes him an absolute wrecking ball in Colosseum.
@@flandarken I remember back when I was a kid and it took me an entire afternoon climbing the damn tower and I prepped like insane for it. Bought like 4 reflect ring from the auction house and went to town on the tower.
Then I realized you could literally only fight the boss and ignore the dungeon with Mog. This charm is too much and I cannot believe I could have wasted such special dungeon by cheesing it like this.
Personally i think the Celes x Locke interactions are a highlight of the game. Its about broken people having feelings for each other but dont get together because of their issues meaning they arent ready and what they mean to each other is a major part of their character arcs (Celes's reason for going forward is someone who understands her and Locke's is that he found someone "worth protecting") it enhances their characters and arcs imo
So "teen romance" seems like a very over simplification of their dynamic imo
Man, that stuff hits home.
Teenage and young love vs duty.
Personally, I think the concept is good, but the execution of very poor. Like, early in the game, someone brings up the concept of Celes' feelings, and she responds by saying something along the lines of "I'm not some love struck girl." Then she proceeds to "develop" into exactly that, up to and including to the extent of nearly killing herself for a friggin ribbon that her "crush" gave her. There is a right way to write a story about a strong female character developing and embracing newfound love, and the Celes x Locke story is not how you do it.
To me it actually felt like a reversed character arc. She started off at the "mid" point of her character arc, where she was strong and confident, but wasn't able to embrace her feelings, so she still had learning to go. But instead of developing into that strong character who could also embrace her feelings, she went back into a weak pathetic "love struck girl", where it would have made sense for an arc to start, not end (not necessarily for her, considering that she was a super soldier, and a general of the most powerful military on the planet, starting her off at that state wouldn't make a lot of sense.).
Obviously this is personal opinion, but I really thought that Celes' character arc was awful (The whole, losing all hope, to the extent of giving up, but them picking herself up by her bootstraps to push through anyway was alright. But the rest was not.).
@ikeillue8385 🤣
"I'm a soldier, not some love struck* fluzy"
-Celes
*Could be starved. Something like that though.
@ikeillue8385 what she was like at the start was the flaw she was given. Being closed off and cold to everyone isn't a good thing the point is she develops out of that, gets nicer and opens herself up to Locke. Also her initial personality was likely a result of being groomed into being a general by the empire
She never gets weak really she stabs Kefka on the floating continent, and after she finds a reason to live she finds everyone and convinces them to have reasons to fight Kefka and hang on to hope if anything she's stronger after her arc
Also she didn't kill herself because of the bandana she killed herself because she thought everyone was gone his bandana was just what let her know the person she most cared for was still alive and gave her hope to keep going
@@banzaialex5984 Yes, I absolutely agree. Thats why I said that it felt like she started off at the mid point of her development. But instead of going from that closed off and cold individual, into a confident secure strong individual, who is open with their feelings, she goes form that to a pathetic clingy desperate child.
She does get weak. Again, one of the last things we see her do in the game, is nearly kill herself in order to retrieve a piece of cloth that her crush gave her, and only doesn't die, because he puts himself into danger to save her life.
We are talking about two different scenes. I'm not talking about the suicide scene. I get that one. Its her low point in the arc, and she is specifically supposed to be weak and defeated at that time. I'm talking about the very end of the game, when they are escaping from the collapsing tower, and she drops the ribbon, goes back for it, and the floor collapses out from underneath her, and Locke has to go back and save her from falling.
Your points system is crazy.
Agreed! What is the point of having something out of 15 if your best/#1 slot can't even get that score? Seems very random.
Cuz they aren't....perfect?
@@Bdewd
bro, this list is whacked 😂
terra and celes are more the mains than locke, dude!
Yeah easily. Locke is only really important in the first half. Ironically his gameplay is not that great until the end though.
He said Locke is the main MALE.
@@Rob_Thorsman yeah but edgar and sabin are more the main males than locke tbh
Edgar and Sabin have more story than Locke overall but Locke felt more central to the main theme, especially at the start. He seemed to be built as the POV character.
True, but Locke is always useful, to the end, because he can steal another ragnarok or ultima/atma blade. There are rare treasures held by enemies all the time.
I am happy that terra and Edgar are at the top because I had a combo where I used one of Edgars tools to change an enemy's weakness to my most powerful spell then put terra in trance to hit them with said spell. Works on every enemy in the game
For my team I had the terra and Edgar combo as said before cyan constantly spamming his sword skill 7 for a ton of high damage hits and the last slot changes depending on the enemy
I think Gogo is just Gogo from 5.
This is my thought too, although all the various theories about his backstory are fun to think about.
He's not. Kitase said he was included with no backstory just like Umaro. The whole WoR was created in the last 3 months of development. Also, in FF5 you have 2 choices on how to fight Gogo. One is to do nothing and the second is much harder which is to actually fight him and if you win he dies while the first one will send himself to some time/warp thing that isn't the Rift/Void this is proven because you also find Gilgamesh there but not Gogo. Gilgamesh is the only one that is traveling dimensions that according to Kitase.
@@NAzo. When you pop out of the womb and your own theme music starts playing.
Edgar was my favourite since I was a kid.
FF6 was one of the first RPG I played, and I always put my name on the protagonist.
As Terra was a girl, I put on her my "crush" name, and somehow I didnt choose Locke, even playing for the first time; But when I see Edgar, I thought "I want to be this guy". 30 years ago.
I was pretty much the same.
Usually Edgar was my character,
but I have used Sabin, Locke, and Shadow. But Usually my crush or girlfriend or ex,was,Terra. Of course if I was,Locke my girlfriend was,Celes. 😂
Did you become that guy?
@@brawndo8726 I don't think so.
But I'll continue trying.
All of your points are valid, and I love that you put Cyan pretty high -- most people tend to put Cyan near the bottom, but I always loved him. My favorite team was always Cyan, Sabin, Mog, and Locke.
I'd put Cyan in the middle.
I like the character, the story, his optional special quest, and even his special ability even though it's slow. That's ok cause even the 1st one on the list is useful.
My team usually has Terra, Edgar, Sabin, Locke, and Shadow. OK, yes that's 5, I alternate those guys.
One strat I like from HCBaily is to have a party of Cyan, Celes, Gau and Mog. Celes holds Runic, while Mog Berserk dances and Gau berserk rages, giving you auto attacks for all the party allowing time for Cyan’s tech to charge up
@@flandarken 😬🤯😵💫
it's clear this video is based off of someone just playing the game and not someone getting to WOR and farming up everyone to be literal gods. the game is fundamentally a joke when you've got all the multi-attack stuff going on and hitting for 9999 with each swing. If you really go that route you can win by casting life 3, using potions, and just using 'fight' over and over.
@@Beelzebobby66 Cyan kicks butt in every way. Sure his Bushido take a while to charge, but he's actually perfect for teaching Stop due to his high bulk. And not to mention the innate access to the Zantetsuken, a literal god-tier blade due to Odin's previous use of it, and his Kazekiri blades. Still, Locke is better... I'm thinking of using a Blood Sword/Ultima Weapon setup (Blood Sword hits first to Drain, thus restoring the Ultima Weapon's damage) unless the main targets are Undead, then it's going to be Ultima Weapon/Valiant Knife with the Master's Scroll unless he's Stealing.
Locke being so low is ridiculous. Shadow being that low means you are just kinda stupid
Gotta ditto that opinion! Terra is also my fave, though my core four has always been Terra, Celes, Edgar, and Sabin.
Terra's storyline probably saved my life in my teens. She, despite literally being a video game character, taught me coping mechanisms to handle abuse.
I am full of admiration for your openness on Terra’s effect on you. And I think on some level I felt something similar, I just didn’t realize how strong that metaphor is. Thank you 😊
My main party was Edgar, Sabin, and Cyan. The fourth character would alternate, with Locke, Terra, Celes, Setzer, or Mog (for the Moogle Charm) all being solid choices.
It's not that Locke is a bad thief... the problem is that FFVI has some of the worst stealing mechanics in the series, especially when it comes to rare steals.
WoR Locke has one trump card that absolutely makes him worth using, though: the Valiant Knife. It's basically an inverted Ultima Weapon, meaning Locke deals more damage the bigger the difference between his current and max HP. Also, this damage boost isn't affected by Master's Scroll, so Locke becomes a physical powerhouse with it (like Ultima Weapon, Valiant Knife ignores the target's defense and, at high levels, pretty much ensures 9999 damage all the time).
I loved using that knife.
I usually favored Edgar as my character, and gave him the Atma,weapon sword. But you can put the genji glove on Locke, giving him both. Atma always hits high too.
Locke isn't a bad thief, he's not a thief at all. He's a treasure hunter
@vladv5126
😆 I love how he gets upset when called a thief. His facial expressions are genius for the time.
Now I'm thinking how in classic D&D there was a class called a thief, but it has been renamed rogue in modern times, which is a more inclusive term.
Locke with genji glove and offering with Atma and anything else is game breaking. He'll hit 8x with high damage. He's the most broken character in the game.
Also you can steal elixirs and megalixirs from the enemies on solitary Island
Two things to trow this list off a cliff.
First, if you know how to use espers to level up your characters stats, Gogo and even Umarow become the weakest members since they can't equip them.
Second, available accessories and equipment can make characters more than anything, and in that sense, Shadow should have been definitely above Strago or Celes, specially considering Ichigeki as his mai weapon if you go for him in the world of ruin, but I get the point of him not being an actual party member if you don't save him as a wy to say he is not that important, but hehas a dog and that rocks.
Ranking Celes that low is kinda insane. She is the secondary lead and thus the second main character. She has great stats, great equipment, and natural magic. Terra is techically optional.
Celes' story is about learning your place in the world. Challenging what you've grown up knowing and doing what's right. Girl got tortured and scheduled for execution for defying the only path she had ever known.
Truth!
Celes is amazing early on as well. The ability to shut down certain magical spells and restore her own mana is just freaking awesome. Shes arguably the best spellcaster in the game. Terra is her competitor but using morph costs an extra turn and isnt always available.
I never use Runic. Weak ability, unless you read guides and know exactly what enemies will do ahead of time. Placing her this high is generous.
@@MrIronJustice I never once used it after the Tunnel Armor fight either. I would just rather use her turn to do some damage.
Same here Runic outside of Tunnel armor and maybe against the Veil/Slam dancers is the only time its WORTH using the Veil/Slam dancers can full party Fire 2 Ice 2 or Bolt 2 the entire party and depending on your lvs just having the ENTIRE party be hit but those lv 2 spells can easily kill them all at once like at lv 15.
I loved the Blue Mage from FF5, so Strago holds a special place on my list, and on further review I am 100% ok with this list, great job!
Locke's usefulness is boosted heavily by being one of 4 characters able to use the Illumina, and the Atma Weapon.
Those 4 characters (Locke, Celes, Terra, Edgar) can reliably solo the Dinosaur Forest, making it very easy to get them to L99, with max stat boosts (as gaining levels solo means your stat-levelup is perfect with no conflicts). Later in the video: Again Terra's Ability and Usefulness are higher because she can use the best equipment.
Gogo's too high. He can't equip Espers, so hit stats never grow. Plus, his equipment options are fairly limited.
Locke is the best since he's the coolest, and stealing is fun.
Celes is best girl.
Locke at 10 makes me want to bring this video into physical format so I can burn it for warmth. Story at 3/5!?!? BOO THIS MAN
Ranking Mog's usefulness at 3/5 is a crime. Underestimates how good Encounter None is and his Dragon Horn+Boots combat special and the physical tankiness with the Snow Muffler.
Yeah him putting Locke at 10 is a completely L take.
Yeah...what the hell is that? Locke's story is amazing he has probably one of the best stories in the game that's fully fleshed out, he ends up being pretty powerful (literally JOINS the team with a broken weapon for free) and if you don't like that one, he can equip all other broken weapons in the game, and as an added bonus he provides occasional utility with steals. L take video.
You're right, he should have been 15
Locke is the most charmimg character. No surprise Terra and Celes always call for him. Such a great man.
Surprising, #1!
I personally have my #1 endgame party lineup as:
Terra, Locke, Celes and Sabin.
•Terra’s Morph is great
•Locke with Genji Glove+Offering
•Celes, I actually like Runic a lot (when I don’t absorb my spells🤦♂️)
•Sabin is the man. Bum Rush rocks and the dude can Suplex a train 💪
Great vid, @bdewd
Relm was my Colosseum buster. Because I never used her but her stats were still good, giving her the Cat Hat and having her only castable skills being Holy/Flare made her nigh impossible to beat. Usefulness was sky high, even if she never saw the light of day on the main team.
Ironic considering who her father is and where he hangs out
I like using Gogo, with Merit Award, since you can give him one skill to use in leu of randomly doing something else.
Setzer was by far the weakest link. He's just the airship guy otherwise not used ever.
Also, Locke, equip genji glove and whatever turns steal into capture. Double stealing attempts almost always works and can hit hard. Strago sucks too, just a weaker version of Celes and Terra.
Gau that low is a hate crime lol
Story wise, sure, but hes the most powerful character in the game, bar none. Sure, he takes a little work learning rages, but so does all your characters learning magic.
It's pretty much impossible to hate Gau if you've ever played a low level game. I'd put him in S tier for that reason. He makes the whole thing feasible, at least until you get Setzer and access to Joker Doom. Even then, some people don't like that kind of cheese, in which case Gau is still the winner.
Yeah I dunno why this guy hates on Gau so much, he's by far one of the best combat characters throughout the entire game, his story presence is minimal sure, but combat and usefulness are the best in the game unless your just adamantly refuse to understand him, which is skill issue.
Why do yall always take everything as hate instead of just respecting opinions not everyone is gonna like the same shit you do.. I'm not the biggest fan of FF6 but if someone else likes it why does that matter too me???@@landmine36
@@DIRTYSOUTHSHINOBI Know what they say about assumptions it makes an ass out of you, I personally don't like Gau and don't usually use him, but that's because I don't like his design or the way he talks, but that doesn't make me delusional into believing he's a bad character, he's the most useful and overpowered character throughout the entire game from the moment you get him until the end, the only way for him to fall off and become not the best is by not using him at all.
The main reasons he was ranked so low was because the person said he was so bad in combat, which is just factually untrue resulting in a clear bias against Gau because.... only using blatantly overpowered attacks 50% of the time isn't good enough? Cat Scratch is 4x damage, even if Gau on average only uses it 50% of the time, that means Gau's average damage is 2x anyone elses, if he's using a Break Rage, most enemies in the early game don't have resistance to break, so it's in most situations an unblockable instant death, and same with Gigavolt, another super early spell, with the nearly the same power as Thundaga, an endgame spell at no cost or cast time, it would be completely absurd to be using that 100% of the time every time.
It is not an "Opinion" that Gau is better than he listed, it's just an absolute fact.
Again I don't like Gau as a character, but i'm not living in complete denial about him either. He would be considered the only S+ Rank combat character in all of FF6.
@@landmine36 cuz we dont need his ass and its boring to find the right encounters and if you just rely on stray cat the whole game then hes like legitimately the single most sleeper character to ever exist
Fact: Shadow's real name is Clyde.
I'd be mad about Gau's placement. But, yeah, he's a very minor character, and Rage is... while I'd argue it's one of the coolest skills in the game, and maybe one of the most powerful personal skills, it was also in no way designed for playability. Not even for the 50% thing - it's just *such* a task to trek all the way back to the Veldt and *hope* you see what you were after. And then you'd better know what you were after to begin with, because the game gives absolutely 0 information in-game about what his Rages are going to do.
The trial and error character fr
In the veldt, the monsters appear in a specific order from the list of ones faced/defeated. The skills learned are only part of the puzzle, he gets inherited immunity/weaknesses, weapon/armor affinities, buffs, and the target skill(s) from each rage. Please learn about this very misunderstood feral "boy".
Yeah Locke definitely needs to be higher. Steal can get you a lot of good equipment. Sure it's not super useful but let's be honest, most characters' special abilities fall off in usefulness in the second half except for Sabin's Blitz.
Where Locke shines is his equipment options. He's got access to the best weapons in the game (Ultima Weapon, Ragnarok, Lightbringer, Valiant Knife, and all his back row weapons). Not to mention without Locke there's no access to Ultima, the Palasin Shield, and Lightbringer.
Yeah, if you want to spend all that time getting items you don't need for an easy game.
@@mogalixir Doesn't take any time at all getting those, minus the Paladin Shield, since you can get them immediately after getting Locke.
Terra, Celes, Sabin & Edgar are my core team. While Celes's Runic doesn't have "much", I care for her. In fact, the Opera she sung was already touching from the original material. Pixel Remaster pushed its emotional effects OVER 9000 with ACTUAL VA😻😻😻
Solid list! I agree with most everything, even if it hurts my soul to see Celes down so low (though I do argue she's a deutoragonist with Terra; they're both pretty important with the themes of hope and belonging as central themes). Still, I can also understand if the romance gets a bit glurgy.
The one I will have to disagree with is Gogo. Specifically, his usefulness stat. While I will not deny it is busted as hell and very, very powerful... you also tied /when/ you get them as part of that as well. They HAVE to have points deducted for being a WoR character and only accessible if you know where they are. Their usefulness should drop to at least a 2.5 or 3 because they aren't available for half of the game.
Celes being there hurt me too but I couldn't tweak the numbers and be like ya that looks right so had to take that one on the chin :/
Gogo's stats also aren't that good and he can't equip Espers to increase them. His damage quickly falls off compared to other party members, reducing his usefulness quite a bit.
@Bdewd to be fair I'd argue Celes' journey of self discovery is far more relatable than Terra. She challenges the only authority she's ever had in her life to do what's right
Gau was actually my favorite and most useful character combat wise. You really get what you put in with him. After doing a lot of intensive rage training, he's an absolute powerhouse. Consistently useful for pretty much the whole game.
He does take a good bit to get the right rages, but he goes crazy. Like stray cat. Or magic urn. Or nightshade.
I feel my party always ends up being Terra, Locke, Sabin and Edgar
They're just my favorite guys
Same exact team I always default to.
Sabin, Cyan, Celes and Edgar for me.
Though I quite like Mog and Shadow too.
The Original Four…dare I say the Fantasy Four
Terra, Locke, Edgar, and Celes for me. Sabin is the trusted younger brother that you have lead the beta team in the multi-party dungeons.
Sabin just leaves your thumb mangled from bum rush in the second half 😭
My fav Gogo origin theory is that he's a horribly maimed Gesthal who somehow survived being thrown from the floating continent. But like the other guy said, it's most likely just the developers having fun referencing the FFV secret boss
I was gonna disagree about Locke's story rating, but he does kind of become inconsequential in the second half of the game with Sabin and Setzer taking over. So I guess a 3 makes sense. In fact Locke basically fading into the background completely after you reach the world of ruin always kinda irked me considering his prominence in the world of balance.
I would say that Celes is another 5/5 for story alongside Terra and Sabin a 4.5/5 though personally. Other than that I agree with the list.
And I never used Gogo much, I had too much attachment to other characters by the time you get them. Though I do admit they're quite good. The rumor I always heard was that Gogo was Setzers friend Darill with amnesia/in hiding.
Gogo = Darill is one popular theory.
Another is Gogo = Mime from FFV.
There's others that are really out there, though.
All theories have been shot down by Word of God though, who says Gogo is just their own character, no hidden backstory or easter egg.
Yeah I think Gogo is rated way too highly on this list. While it is nice to be able to use any of the other characters skills his base stats are pretty terrible not to mention you get him so late and he joins at such a high level (because of joining late) that he misses out on lots of esper level up bonuses. I pretty much never used him because anything he could do another party member could just do it better.
It was one thing he didn't seem to really consider in his list at all tbh. Like he put Relm lower than Strago in usefulness despite Lore being fairly niche and while sketch is mostly useless she is the strongest magic user in the game (outside of Terra when in Esper form) I found many reasons to have Relm in my party but pretty much never a reason to use Strago.
Generally speaking my main party ends up being Terra, Edgar & Sabin + 4th rotating party member. Edgar is strong in WoB with Tools but I usually have him on +Str espers as late game I switch him over to a Dragoon setup with Dragoonboots + Horn as he is the only character (excluding Mog) that can use spears to take full use of Multi jump dragoon damage. Sabin is usually on Double Earring to maximize his early game blitzes like Aura Canon and Flame Dance and then using +magic espers to really help him out. You can get Bum Rush early and makes him a single target powerhouse. AoE he is good but doesn't compare to Terra. Terra is the best magic user due to Morph. Sure she loses on magic power to Relm but when in Morph she obliterates bosses. Usually keep her in the party spamming multi-target magic spells with Gem Box. She is a bit weak early game but she pays off dividends once she can equip espers and with Minerva + Paladin Shield she can easily hit mblock cap making her pretty much unkillable. 4th party member usually switches with which part of the game I am in but it is often Setzer at the end (if I don't plan to grind to a high level) due to Offering + Fixed dice being such a broken combo. If I do plan to grind it will more likely be Celes to be the Offering + Genji Glove & Atma + Illumina combo user.
@@FFgamesftw It wouldn't matter if Gogo started at level 1 or 99. Gogo can't equip Espers at all to get any level up bonuses, meaning those mediocre stats are only going to fall off as everyone levels up.
ah right I forgot about that, just goes to show how little I ended up using him lol.@@GoeTeeks
@@GoeTeeks I remember back in 1994, my neighbor and I settled upon this head canon idea that Gogo was actually Emperor Gestahl. We reasoned that he took on the alter ego and heavily shrouded image of "Gogo" because, 1) the bodily injuries that he would have sustained from being struck by the Goddess' bolt and then from falling from the Floating Continent would have rendered him so grossly disfigured that hiding his true form would have become practically a necessity, and 2) because while he wanted revenge to get revenge on Kefka, as a former emperor, his immense pride probably meant that it would likely have been easier on him to join the side of his former enemies whilst playing the part of an anonymous mime than to show actual humility by admitting to them his true identity / asking for forgiveness for the actions he committed as emperor. And that's if he even remembered who he used to be, as we also supposed that the grievous bodily injuries sustained from the fall from the Floating Continent may have also left him with full amnesia, to the point where he couldn't remember anything about himself, except that maybe his name started with the letter "G" 😉
Obviously, looking back on it now, the idea is ludicrous, but as 11 yr old kids in the pre-internet era of 1994, we really thought we were onto something! 😂
u forgot to mention shadow has his dog to randomly intercept physical attacks and sometimes counter them. and u didnt mention sabin can suplex a TRAIN.
Celes should've been almost tied with Terra because they both have access to some of the best weapons and armor in the game. Likewise, Gau's and Mog's access to Snow Scarf, the best armor in the game, should've put them at a higher spot.
I love the girl, but what really brings her down is Runic from a completely mechanical perspective, dropping her usefulness stat quite a bit. Even if you factor in weapons and armor it would only really increase her unique contributions up by a little and I don't think would do that much to change her placement. Consider Edgar, whose tools and good armor makes him pretty much ready outside of the box, even without any magic investment.
Agree's Runic is pure crap and Celes can't even LEARN CURE 2 without Espers Terra gets all the GOOD lv up spells.
@veghesther3204
It's not crap. It's a niche ability, and only she has it.
I certainly prefer Terra, but I hardly use morph. I hate wasting a,round on it.
Other then Tunnel Armor Runic IS pure CRAP and isn't really worth using all the WoB spells that runic works on are nearly ALL reflectable.
I want to say this:
Each of the 14 has a place in excellence, but if you don't know how to use them (each) correctly... you should not judge their "quality".
There is 3 thieves in the game: Locke (2 types), Shadow (& his protector/revenge --> interceptor), and Gogo (I do all things "poorly" because of stats). There have very good uses and they are different and dynamic (learn how to use them wisely).
There are 3-5 knights (magical): Terra (buffed), Celes (mag. def.), and Edgar (support/versatile). Cyan is more (tactician, +1 imp/retort glitch) knight than (magical) and Mog is more (terrain) magical than (knight).
There are 3 characters that copy monsters: Gau (+1 wind god glitch), Strago, and Relm (+1 invis. glitch). Find strong monsters & get strong attacks.
There are 2 luck-based characters: Setzer (rng?, slots) and Umaro (berserk status).
I would like to say Sabin is the only hero character in the game. (Heart of gold, strong, reliable, knows what the value/meaning/need for sacrifice).
Your assessment of Sabin is accurate and appreciated by me. I always tell myself I’ll replay FF6 with less Sabin in the party for challenge and a different feel but to me he’s the backbone of any party
Usefulness for Locke should be 4/5 minimum for his awesome gear + steal.
Umaro may be useful in the Cultists' Tower or some other corner case, but he's really a demonstration of a virtue of RPGs with large casts of PCs: you can have characters who just serve to make the experience unusual.
So first off I don't think any character is the main character which is one of FF6's greatest strengths IMO
I don't really think I could make a list for full usefullness, however realm will always be at the bottom for me, she comes in too late and leaves almost immediately and is a pain to get back. Umaru while annoying to get starts out with great stats and given armor and relics can be quite the beast. Strago also is very annoying as his main gimmick requires so much time investment into getting. By far I love the characters that hit physically hard, give me sabin, celes, cyan and terra (part of this has to go into what a character can equip). But the gengi glove and offering can turn into 8 ultimas when built right and that just can't be beat.
Exactly, both Strago and Gau are annoying. They just aren't that interesting enough to invest that much time into.
Main character is probably the wrong term - but you have to admit a large portion of the story is focused on Terra and Celes over many other characters, which is essentially what people mean when they say they're 'main'
Umaru is definitely better than Realm. She's the worst IMO.
I'm surprised. I'm figured locke would have been 5/5 in terms of story since he's in most of it and the reason celes left the island in the WoR
I also extremely hate locke and is the one bias in this list
@@BdewdBoo! Boo this man
I think not taking natural equipment on Locke is a loss. He can equip Illumina and Atma Weapon without the Merit Badge, which on its own is enough to make him a boss with a Genji Glove, which you can get *really* early.
EDIT: Love the Setzer description with the trampoline. LMAO
Valiant knife is better than atma weapon, btw. Ragnarok esper (Ultima) has item morph for the duplicates of rare items. Steal the sword from the last boss.
I'll add my thoughts about the characters in the order you listed them:
(This is going to be a long comment so be sure to have a cup of coffee next to you while reading this)
Umaro:
Umaro is basically only useful in the Fanatics Tower because he deals a good consistent damage and doesn't suffer from the only magic enchantment and the fact that most enemies have reflect.
Gau:
Gau is useful when you first get him and collect some of his rages. He is in fact the only character who can perform an AOE attack during Sabin's Scenario with "Lesser Lopros". It's a strong AoE spell for the first half of the game which helps you in Zozo as well as in the Magitek Factory.
Other than that, if you learn the "OverMind / Oversoul" rage (from the rare encounter in Phantom Train), he gets a pretty strong single target magical spell from it that can help you.
Other than that, I don't really like him and when I played the game the first time I didn't use him at all. (leaving Setzer and him behind at Kefkas Tower)
Mog:
I DISAGREE!
Mog is cute, joins at a high level when you first get him in WoB which helps for casual playthrough and he offers great damage output if you put on him the DragoonerBoots as well as Dragon Horn so he can jump up to 4 times. (he is with Edgar the only character who can equip Lances which make Jump stronger by I think 125%) While you are often better off with Edgar using his tools or magic rather than his jump abilities, Mog is the jumper himself!
He got a strong nerf in the PixelRemaster though as you can just disable encounters by default in contrast to the SNES. If on SNES, he crushes Fanatics Tower with Moogle Charm.
Relm:
I agree. She is the one of the latest characters in WoB AND WoR and with that barely knows any spells.
Locke:
Actually agree. I literally prefer Cyan over him early game because Locke's damage output just sucks! (Until late game when you have Ultima Weapon and ValiantKnife) He is good though for stealing. For example you can steal a Tempest from Number 128 with Locke which you can equip to Cyan.
You find another Tempest in a chest a little bit later in the game and if you equip both to Cyan using Genji Glove he is a strong guy!
Tempest can cause a Wind Attack to every enemy and having twice the chance to do so can be a game changer.
Also Rachel's story never got near me because it's LITERALLY MISSABLE. Also he's a dick to Celes accusing her of being a traitor and messing his relationship with her up. She was too much of a baddie to fumble...
Also he is the hardest character to recruit in WoR.
Shadow:
Shadow's backstory always touched me. I just love him. He is the reason why the party continues to live on Floating Continent! Also he is a mysterious ninja... I just love that archetype so I would have put him higher. He is Relm's father! Being a father to a character that sucks is a downside though.
I love throwing Heal Rods with him on enemies though because of their high attack power. (the only right way to use Heal Rods)
Strago:
Same as Relm but a bit better. I don't like his story and he is just as useless as Relm if you don't know about the Lores (WHICH AS A KID I DIDN'T CARE ABOUT) He is good for a water spell though.
Setzer:
Every time I play the game I like Setzer more! I begin to start the Slot mechanic as well. He has shitty stats though in my opinion.
His story is great and I love his style! I did him wrong leaving him behind on Kefka's Tower as a kid though.
Celes:
Can't add anything here except he was my childhood crush. Runic sucks I guess? I love playing as her though and she's great for WoR. If she has a strong magic stat you will destroy anything with her! She is the character who learns the most esper spells in the game because I think she has one of the highest playtimes.
Cyan:
Loved him as a kid, becomes worse the longer I play the game. His ability is outperformed by most others. It just takes an eternity to power up. He is great in WoB though with Double Tempest and solid Sword "1" consistent damage. Love his backstory though and art of talking.
Gogo:
??? Weird character. It can't even unlock the Paladin's Shield!! In fact, Gogo is the only character which is not able to uncurse the Cursed Shield when equipped. (I MADE THIS MISTAKE AS A CHILD) It took me hours to realise! I hated Gogo since that. I don't know if this bug was fixed in the PR.
Sabin:
Always a good character. Great backstory, good looks and soundtrack. Extremely strong and useful. Not much to add here!
One thing that comes to my mind: As a kid, I always leveled Strength to him because he looks like a powerful man! He looks like a physical fighter and when I learned that magic is actually the better stat to learn blew my mind back then...
Terra:
Overrated! This is subjective though, as I just think Celes is the better girl. Also you play more with Celes which make her learn more spells than Terra. You lose Terra for a good amount of WoB and when entering the Sealed Cave she starts with very little spells. Morph is great though in WoR! Definitely a big damage dealer later! (Ultima 9999)
Edgar:
Yeah. He is the best. I would have unsubscribed if you didn't place him on #1 :D
His tools are so useful and he is the funniest character! I love his dialogue. They did a good job writing him. Also I love how he disguises as Gerad which is an acronym to Edgar. His interaction with women is very funny :D
As funny as he is, he is a genius though!
He is never not useful. Always put him in my party. His tools are OP in WoB as much as in WoR.
If I could choose a team to beat the entire game with I would choose the following characters:
Edgar (Tools/Jump)
Celes (Magic/Heal)
Sabin (Spam Blitzes) which can also heal or AoE attack
Shadow (Throw 99 Shurikens and use Interceptor counters!)
Pretty good ranking overall though! :)
Thanks for reading this comment if you made it that far. Let me know your thoughts about what I wrote down :D
Gau can be kinda good if you get Stray Cat, Gold Bear (if you somehow missed Stray Cat), or Overmind (for reasons you've described already.), but also getting Toe Cutter and Luridan later gives you enemy abilities that are basically Flare but can't be reflected.
I will admit he does require investment to actually be really good. To get the most out of Stray Cat or Gold Bear, he practically requires a Genji Glove and/or Offering. And for Overmind/Luridan/Toe Cutter's powerful neutral magic spells, you're contending with the 50/50 chance that Gau randomly selects the underwhelming physical move. Also, depending on which rages you're going to be using longterm, gear and/or esper stat distribution will likely be different. If you're going to be using Catscratch a lot, pump some Strength into him. If you're going to be using Shrapnel a lot, then pump some Magic into him.
I personally like using Gau, but I can understand why some people might not.
As for Setzer, I personally just enjoy throwing Fixed Dice and watching enemies crumble to the arts of gambling. Even if you don't want to expend an Offering on him, he's just as effective with DragoonBoots and Dragon Horn. Fixed Dice is really cracked.
Also, Umaro is also incapable of uncursing the Cursed Shield, by virtue of not being able to equip it on him in the first place. And fun fact: If you dive deeper and hacked into the game to make him equip the shield (or play a randomizer that lets him be equippable), he still wouldn't be able to uncurse the shield because he has the same properties as Gogo. So, yeah. Good to know.
With both,Gau ^& Strago I just learn a,few techniques. I always make sure Gau got Ghost before going home to Narshe. But they're both just not characters most of us care enough about to invest time in.
I do see your point that Celes has more time to develop magicite power.,And that's in both world of balance and ruin Terra sits out.
Runic isn't bad, but highly niche.
Likewise, I don't really like to waste a turn on Terra,to transform her.
Add relm since if Gau isn't using Rages for Lores then Relm can still sketch a few for Strago to learn IE Big Guard during the 2nd half of the game.
Kinda random but I have a theory that Banon and Duncan are the same person. Duncan could be an alter-ego created to watch over Sabin after he fled to the mountains, perhaps a task that Edgar gave him.
The reasons I believe this because:
You never have access to both characters in the same timeline.
Sabin/Duncan's house (that has 3 beds, for Duncan, Vargas, and Sabin) is very close to the Returner's hideout.
You don't even see Duncan until the WoR, and Banon is nowhere to be found (No Returners either?)
Banon has curative powers like Sabin that do not use MP.
Same eye color and similar appearance.
The only thing that may not add up is the Vargas/Duncan incident and what happens at the Returner's Hideout, but if I remember correctly Banon and the party needed a rest, perhaps he was privately healing from what happened.
It could have worked in the original game but not anymore.
I mean they gave him the oracle class and the pray ability (the same ability rosa had in ff4) in later versions of the game
In the original game it was called health and it was pretty similar to the chakra ability from the MONK CLASS in ff4 and ff5.
But biggest problem is how could Banon go undercover and not get immediately recognized by Sabin even if amnesia is involved.
But this whole Duncan is dead shit is just plain weird at this point. I mean he never tells you about Vargas trying to kill him or anything.
Edgar is the main character, imo. You don’t meet kefka till you get him and in the world of ruin he’s the only one who hasn’t forgotten his mission like everyone else. Side note: he’s also got a big heart. People like to misconstrue him talking with realm but really he was considering the fact that the child might get killed.
He's worried about turning Relm into a 10 year old child soldier.
Edgar also has the advantage of not being an optional character at the end of the game. Its weird to me that so many people say that Terra or locke are the mains, when they are ultimately optional when world of ruin comes around.
@@ikeillue8385
I've heard Celes as the main of WOR.
@@CurlyFromTheSwirly I believe that there are 3 options for main character in FF6, as there are only 3 characters that are mandatory to finish the game. Edgar, Celes, and Setzer. I don't think anyone is arguing that Setzer is the main, since his contribution is essentially an airship. Edgar and Celes are both mandatory to finish the game with, and both have their stories closely tied with the main story of the game. Personally, I lean a little more Celes, due to her kind of being the POV character for WOR, but I could be swayed to Edgar.
@ikeillue8385
I never really looked at anyone as a main in FF6. It was just a different game and group.
FF1 didn't have character development, but FF2 did. Both of these had multiple protagonists.
On others before, we saw definite main characters, like Cecil in FF4 and Bartz of FF5. Then later returning to a central character in FF7 with Cloud at the helm.
I always looked at FF6 as whichever character I put my name on is the main. However, then there's people who say Terra is the main of WOB, while Celes is (again) the main of WOR.
Even with all that said, I do feel the producers had Terra a lot more spotlighted if any one character was intended to to be the main.
The game starts with Terra, ends with her heritage saving thr group. Her ties to the esper world are important and leader Banon states she is their hope.
As a fellow control freak, I don’t have much in the way of disagreement here. Great stuff! This is my favorite game and I’m glad you made this video.
Umaro is very useful in Cultist’s Tower as he is capable of inflicting powerful physical attacks. This can be helpful to fight Magic Pots.
Certainly useful without a FAQ telling you how where to get the moogle charm and bypass all encounters in what is otherwise a very obnoxious dungeon.
@@iiiiiifggffggffgfgfg Yeah like why are we walking up this silly tower and fighting everything? Soon as I learned the moogle charm was a thing I refuse battle my way up that thing again. I can just carve up dinosaurs for grinding purposes.
@@iiiiiifggffggffgfgfg yeah, I mean, I guess some of us just like the battle mechanics but to each their own.
@@iiiiiifggffggffgfgfg I have great (well great means BAD) memories of grinding for reflect rings and spending an entire afternoon climbing the tower. As a kid I genuinely could not think of any ways to even clear this tower due to only being able to use magic and some enemies having reflect making it impossible for you to attack. So as a Kid my first instinct was shit I will just reflect my guys and bypass their own reflect.
FAQs and speedruns are bad in a way that they discourage finding your own ways and you testing shit out. Sure now as an adult there is no way in hell I would not use moogle charm and just cheese the fuck out of that dungeon but I still remember how BAD this tower was as an adult. Truly traumatizing lol. And I did not know at all about Umaro being useful here.
Physical attacks being worthless in that dungeon.
One Strategy that I found early game that I use is when the party splits up after the Returners and Lete River is to equip one person with a True Knight relic and then keep the other in critical HP and then have them attack and they’ll use their limit break if you will more often
I’m surprised shadow was so low, in combat he’s fantastic with interceptor’s ability to block and counterattack. I don’t think any other characters have such a good passive bonus
most of the better characters have the passive bonus of being present throughout the game XD
@@Bdewd you know, fair, especially in world of balance
Relm is ridiculously strong magic-wise. Equip her with the Gradius and damn she's strong
One arc, I often considered was Ziegfried was Shadows partner, and why he too is fighting in the Colosseum
Edgar is my fav so man was this a pleasant surprise hahaha
Umaro's real utility is in the collosseum since you can't control the character in that anyway his berserker status is actually helpful as it removes the chance of the AI doing something stupid and instead just attacking every turn as is usually ideal anyway.
So okay this man must be young having just played 6 or something so ill take this as a modern players thoughts on it however mog being that low is a crime. He is one of the best characters in the game with his jump being able to hit 8 times all for 9999 he can also be a good mage like the mages.
Gaus rages are op, dude has access to flare at an early place in the game. Not to mention cat scratch, mus ability,ninja scroll.
Umoroo or whatever is a good tank for mog. He should only be situational since hes immune to fire i think.
Shadow....there is a way to keep shadow in your party til the very end. He can hit 8 times with two daggers so if you have one say two assassin daggers you could just kill everyone in one shot. His ninja stars also hit a solid 9999 ignoring defense i think.
Locke.....without locke man you couldnt get some good weapons by stealing you'd have to get the Ragnarok summon. And without locke we wouldnt have the opera scene. So to put him that low story wise...thats just crazy.
My order from best to worst would be
Mog
Gau
Shadow
Sabin
Terra
Edgar
Setzer
Celes
Locke
Strago
Gogo
Umaroo
Realm
Ive always found realm useless because the others are so much better. I learned that if you use rages with strago in the team that he'll learn blue spells faster.
i have played since i was a wee lad late 90's but also play as a speedrunner and i did try to look more at it casually but it does go like this:
mog - moogle charm mule, decent magic stat to get thru 1 boss
gau - sux
shadow - sux and waste time
sabin - decent, bum rush access (more for gogo)
terra - good, sadge she takes to long ot get in WoR
ed - good
setzer - good in glitched runs
celes - good
locke - bad but fast, smoke bomb chucker really
strago - bad
gogo - great
umaro - sux
relm - sux
but ya, first time player mostly :)
@@Bdewd you already gave your list idk why you felt the need to say it again. I get it you don't understand brokenness. Gau one hit kills any kind of behemoth except instigar. Ive taken the time to get everyone maxed out unlike you who only plays for speed runs as it seems. Your opinion sux and that's fine not everyone are geniuses.
"Do you know the Muscle Man?" "The Muscle Man?" "The Muscle Man, the one who lives on Mount Kolts" I probably would have put either Gogo's ability or usefulness at 4. Their inability to equip espers means you can't customize or optimize their stats. Which isn't too much of a hindrance for a normal playthrough, but for optimizers like myself who like to grind, it's a bit of an annoyance.
Isnt Gau known for being op as hell? I don’t like berserked characters, too. But i think he deserves a better Spot on the List
I did a no magic run, making sabin / gogo top tier (manta, fire dance, bum rush), and celes using runic was great on bosses, as i didn't have to worry about accidental absorption.
I'm replaying it and I was starting to agree with you on Edgar until he meets Relm and asks her how old she is. She says 10 and he says, "Let's hope you're still around in 8 years."
I have to say that Cyan on the super nintendo version is too slooow.
This must have been tough. I'm taking availability and usefulness into account. I need to turn off my randomizer brain for a minute...
Terra: Immediately available. Best weapons. High magic. Loses a lot of mid game availability. Morph is very specific when you can use it well.
Celes: Available early on, mandated in World of Ruin. Best weapons. High magic. Runic is pretty bad outside of the Tunnel Armor fight, but you should be attacking with her anyway.
Locke: High and early availability, with many forced dungeons until World of Ruin. Fast, great weapons. Valiant Knife *drools*. lol magic.
Relm: Joins in Thamasa, WoR recruitment is pretty quick. Best mage in the game, bar none. Cat Hood for easy money. Sketch glitch???
Edgar: Joins early on. Mandated in World of Ruin. Tools will carry you through early & mid game. Late game he becomes a dragoon or wields big swords. Figabro.
Sabin: Joins early on. Not mandated in World of Ruin but you have to purposely avoid him to do it. Blitz is useful until late game, then you get Phantom Rush and life is good again. Equipment pool sucks. Figabro.
Shadow: Availability is hit-or-miss (you did wait for him, right?) Throw is busted strong throughout the entire game. Instakill knives are nice when you need 'em.
Mog: Start the Lone Wolf chase and choose him or lose him. Easy to recruit in the World of Ruin after getting your airship. Great with magic, great dragoon.
Setzer: He's playable starting from the Crane fight. Mandatory World of Ruin character. If you don't know how Joker Doom works, he's OK. Everything is random about him, makes sense as he's a gambler. But you want more reliable people.
Gau: Available early on. Easy recruit in World of Ruin once you get the Airship. Requires encyclopedic knowledge of the Rage system to utilize properly, and it's only worth it 50% of the time. Then again Catscratch is all you need, MEOW!
Gogo: Gogo's stats suck, but Blitz/Magic/Throw is probably all you need. Or crack an elemental rod and let Gogo mimic it to eternity. Super late game.
Cyan: Angry Samurai Dad is sloooooow and has bad magic, in a game where fast magic casting will carry you through. Bushido gives him 8 slow casting abilities, while SwdTech keeps your team unable to act as he's charging. Too slow to use his later abilities, although #4 is mostly all you need.
Umaro: Yeti is besti. Except for his availability, World of Ruin and locked behind Mog. And his controlability, he's always berserked. But at this point you just need someone to hold A and punch things, and Umaro's got that on lock down. Snow Muffler/Scarf means he's never taking physical or ice damage. Easy access to autohit defense ignoring attacks. Rage Ring wakes up sleeping/confused characters.
Figabro, yeti is bestie 😂
That list was spot on though
I forgot Strago lol. He's above Cyan. Lore has some great niche utility. But he joins late and he is also slowwww.
@@Chadius
I wouldn't call Lore a nitch.
Lore is just a varient form of magic.
I turned Sabin into a DND character, and gave him feats to be able to suplex pretty much everything. Giant spider=Suplex
hill giant=Suplex
Mummified kitten=Suplex
Adult Red Dragon= Suplex (Nat 20 helped on that attempt)
Oh no, the LAST ONE?! These Worst to Best videos have been great! I look forward to your tier lists for other FF games
Hey I'm willing to work on myself and listen to the peeps!
In my early playthroughs of the game back in the 90s, I used to use a lot of the more exotic characters and abilities a lot more, like Setzer's Slots, Mog's Dance, Cyan's SwdTech, Gogo's Mimic (didn't know about the selectable skills until later), Shadow's Throw, and Gau's Rage. But as time went on and I learned more about the game's mechanics -- particularly the bugged Magic Evasion stat and the equipment that enhances it -- I just stuck with Terra/Celes/Edgar/Sabin as much as possible. They have some of the best equipment, some of the best starting MagPwr stats for Terra and Celes, the free and game-wrecking Tools/Blitz for the Figaro brothers (which can be enhanced by boosting their MagPwr), and are widely available throughout most of the game. For me, Locke fills in during Zozo and Sealed Cave since he gets forced in after those areas, Setzer gets some grinding ahead of Daryl's Tomb, and everyone else gets just enough training to pull their weight in Kefka's Tower.
Maybe the game creators knew that Terra/Celes/Edgar/Sabin was overpowered, since they don't let you use that party in any plot-relevant, normal-combat areas until the escape from the Floating Continent.
Relm power is insane!!
A fun build Cyan twin tempest, genji glove and master scroll stick Zonseek or tritock on him lvl to about 60 its fun
Glad I found your work. Big fan. And sweet profile pic 😂
Excellent tier list and refresher since I haven't played this game in decades
Honorable mention for general Leo! 🫡
He'd have made a cooler world of Ruin secret character than Umaro, having somehow survived Kefka.
But at least Shock as a Rage is usable though you need to fight the Yojimbo enemies IN Kefka's tower for that rage.
Sabin, Cyan, Edgar, and Terra was my go to party.
IIRC, Terra with Genji + Offering for Atma weapon ridiculousness. Cyan, Sabin, and Edgar all had one target 9999 moves.
My team is usually Sabin, Edgar, Mog, Cyan.
I'll probably switch out Mog for Locke if the steal tables are worth it. Free stuff is always good. Maybe Cyan for Gau since I know what Rages to use.
Some characters do have some niche uses even if they aren't that great a choice for your main party. I like to use Locke as my Colosseum fighter. I make sure not to teach him any magic, and equip him with the Thief Glove, Offering, and the Atma Weapon. This way he will always do 4 attacks and wont do anything randomly. You can give him good speed by equipping Odin before leveling up, just be careful not to learn Meteor by forgetting to take it off!
I'm glad I found your channel 😀
I think Gau would be much better if you didn't lose control of him, could switch rages mid-battle, and (for a little extra flavor) have him do an Altered Beast style transformation when he activates a rage.
Not a bad list. My only problem with it is that you didn't consider exclusive weapons and equips in the list. For example, Terra and Celes can equip the best armor (minerva) and the best weapon (ragnarok / lightbringer).
For a casual play, the list is very accurate, except fot Setzer and Gogo. Gogo is hard to find if you don't know the game and even harder to use effectively because of its atrocius bad equips and stats. Setzer is just an rng joke and I don't know any casual player that liked to play with Slots or the bad GP Toss.
Merit award exists which makes the gear thing *sorta* moot in some circumstances. And the setzer thing is a split due to some versions allowing you to manip the slots and some you can't.
@@Bdewd I concour with the Merit Award and slot manips if your list only consider the snes version (ps1 version Gau can't use Merit Award, and in any other version neither can Gogo). But as an counter argument Merit Award is an secret WoR iten and not something a casual player will get. Same with Slot manips but i concour that 7 flush, chocobop amd airship (outside of snes version) are very easy to get.
Oh and I really like your channel....been looking forward to your lists.... May I suggest 10 best/worst relics 10 most difficult bosses 10 best overall gear/relic set up (things such as using Genji Glove and Offering ...on setzer with 2 fixed dice.... its INSANE damage
Builds was an idea maybe down the road, wanna see what happens if I stretch out into other games and experiment a bit. But noted!
Idk if people would know about this, but Setzer's best dice can hit 9999 pretty early in the WoR and Mog can get you access to that early with moogle charm, get the 4x attack relic and those dice and you can basic attack for ~2,700-40,000 damage per turn... Think that would put him higher but I guess this is a situational thing though
Setzer would rank lower in my character roster because of Slots
I never bothered to use slots over fixed dice and AUTO battle mode Pixel version randomly chooses the slot that kills the entire party.
you might have included a judgment category on what equipment they can use.
SwdTech should be 1/5 there’s never a reason to use it as a serious option. Usefulness is debatable honestly. Masters scroll + Scimitar or Kazekiri is pretty good but not great.
I always changed Gaus name to Gay.
Oy. After so many lists, you'd think you'd really know this game. Gau is embarrassingly low here, as he's ridiculously OP'd, especially early on. And you acknowledge Cyan's horrendous magic stat (definitely a top key stat in the game), but you still have him above a character like Celes. I know this is your list, but some of this is objectively silly.
he's so good that the only reason he's used in 1 category of speedrun is cuz of leap, and otherwise he's the bane of everyones existence cuz he's OH SO GOOD that he kills runs by not showing up and then sits on the side cuz he's "just too good of a character" :) ya he's awesome
If you grab Stray Cat (Cait Sith) early on, you will obliterate all foes with one attack. In the second half of the game, the flower picture enemy in the Relm scenario will grant you some unfair powers. Gau can be unreal. Cyan and his waiting time? Yeah, no. Level up Locke's attack power and keep him with top weapons and a Gengi Glove.
Edgar is the best character in the game. His tools are super powerful, cost nothing once bought, never miss, ignore defense, can cause status effects, and are fast. On top of that he can equip swords, spears, and heavy armor. The guy is almost perfect.
His tools are great in the world of balance but get less useful in the world of balance
@@csmith3248 that's where Espers come in. In my partial playthroughs (I've never beaten Kefka's Tower), I typically have Edgar pick up Magic with Stop being a prime choice to pick up the slack from his Tools in WoR as a "Mystic Dragoon" setup. Heck, one of his best weapons, the Enhancer, boosts Magic!
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That’s one way of setting him up in the WOR
However I try to avoid building everyone as a magic user as it’s time consuming and have to micro mange the spells they learn from an esper and switch for the bonus stat at level up
I prefer to just boost Edgar’s strength and give him the dragon horn and dragoon boots without needing to learn magic
@@csmith3248 generally I hit the Veldt for Esper training/Morph charging so I can focus on stat management in other areas where I can get EXP. I typically give Gau, Mog, and Edgar Magic as a safety net in case Mog's Dance fails repeatedly or physical attacks with Gau get countered easily. The Rages are a extra benefit since once Gau learns offensive Magic, I don't use Rage as much. My best early Rage combo, Crasshopper + Templar, is easily replaced with out of battle Float casting and summoning Ifrit and Golem.
Typically when I get Ramuh/Siren/Kirin/Cait Sith, I give Celes Ramuh to learn Thundara and Poison, Locke gets Siren for the HP +10% for later Ultima Weapon slinging, Kirin goes to Sabin since Mantra isn't available yet (yes, I find the worst Blitz actually quite useful until White Wind is learned) and Edgar gets Cait Sith for a slight humor factor but also the +1 Magic for later with learning the level 2 and level 3 spells.
@@csmith3248 quick sidetrack: I've thought up partial YT Music playlists for some of the Returners:
Terra:
To the Dungeons! by CG5
Hero of Our Time by NateWantstoBattle
Never Easy by CG5
Locke:
Bohemian Rhapsody by Queen
Beer for My Horses by Toby Keith
Smooth Criminal by Michael Jackson
Edgar:
As Good as I Once Was by Toby Keith
Never Gonna Give You Up by Rick Astley
Sabin:
Eye of the Tiger by Survivor
Believer by Imagine Dragons
Gonna Fly Now by the Rocky Orchestra
Setzer:
24K Magic by Bruno Mars
The Gambler by Willie Nelson
Shadow:
Another One Bites the Dust by Queen
You Can't Touch This by (very iffy on this one) MC Hammer
Back in Black by (iffy again!) ACDC
Cyan:
Knight of the Wind cover by NateWantstoBattle
Umaro:
We Will Rock You by Queen
Unfounded Revenge from Mother 3 (which became Smashing Song of Praise)
Gogo:
Phantom Dancing by CG5
Endless Possibilities by Bowling for Soup (it's in Sonic Unleashed; wait a bit on the title screen to see it)
As a side note: CG5 (also known as Charlie Green V) does fan songs:
To the Dungeons! was for Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Red/Blue Rescue Team; Never Easy was for the Smash Bros series; and Phantom Dancing was for the original Luigi's Mansion.
Umaro is definitely in the final party. He crushes and you don't need to worry about managing him
Definitely 😂
Even at lv 99 he's still crap and is never in my Kefka's Tower party Cyan isn't either because his lv 4 or lv 7 Sword techs are still NOT worth using.
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I mean you still need 3 teams to traverse the tower to get to Kefka. Usually Realm or Gogo is the 1 I would exclude for 3 parties of 4 people.
I definitely wouldn't put him in the top batch for fighting Kefka though. That's a whole different ballgame, and you need healers.
@17:00 you say that Gogo can only be missing Throw. But can't Gogo also be missing Dance?
Clearly, Ultros disagrees.
Master Chupon too
Sabins broken, easily the best. Gau is underrated when you have the good rages. Cyan is overrated because his skill takes way too long to charge up, can’t aim, and often utilizes his terrible magic stat (for some reason his physical samurai blade skills use magic).
Gau being "decent in challenge runs" is a severe understatement.
He is by far the most powerful and useful character (and its not even remotely close) in Low Level runs, and to be completely honest I don't even think Minimum Level runs (for the purposes of both "perfect save" runs and "sub 90 total party level setup" where you keep everybody at lvl 6-7 and Gau at lv16-17) would even be possible without Gau carrying you through Num128 and Airforce fights, by far the most brutal fights pre WoR in a LL Run.
Not only that but the fact that Gau can soak Exp alone and be removed from the party pre Floating Continent by Leaping into one and only picking him up post WoR allows you to de-level your average party level which is extremely useful for both generic "low level challenge" and "prefect save" runs. Not to mention the extremely interesting routing where you go through the Sabin's entire journey again with a full party for the purposes of leaving Gau at the Velts.
He is the first to learn extremely useful abilities like Gigavolt(Thundaga), Aquabreath, and Reraise, all pre Floating Continent. He is just generally a very fun character to play with if you are doing a low level run in general, doesn't even have to be minimum level runs. I highly suggest you try it out, you'll definitely have a blast.
Gau is honestly one of my favorites, if you know how to use his rages well he is a powerhouse from when you get him to near the end of the game. He is almost always in my main party or in the second tier party
The locke take is insane... but its fine haha good stuff bdewd!
That's a fair assessment of all. Here's my worst-to-best:
14 Umaro
13 Gogo
12 Mog
11 Gau
10 Locke
9 Setzer
8 Relm
7 Strago
6 Cyan
5 Shadow
4 Edgar
3 Celes
2 Terra
1 Sabin
RUBRIC! ❤ I feel seen. (also, your videos are great, keep it up!)