I bought my 2012 Camry as a Toyota certified used car in 2016 with about 40,000 miles. Not long after I bought it, I noticed this shudder always at the same stretch of road (very slight uphill) at about 35 mph. I went to the dealer for an oil change, and casually mentioned it, and as soon as I started to describe it the service manager smiled and nodded, knowing exactly what I was talking about. They fixed it under warranty, and I’m still loving my Camry at over 198,000 miles!
@@thatv8life186 If my mechanic, fix my car, clean every oil spilt, properly removing broken bolts, updating the software, record it, present it as it clean with clear instruction and details as in this video, and then charged with those bills, I would not asked any questions. The only thing I would ask or complain is car washing. Which probably they do anyway before entering that shops, because most car in their garage are looking very nice/sparkling.
he did good until the end @ 20:00 any filter restriction is a system restriction which compromises pumps, which compromises transmission systems. never flush always change you fiters every 30-50k!
A friend of mine gave me his camry for a brake job. I left his house with his 2014 camry and within 2 miles, I felt this shudder between 20-40mph. I called him immediately and told him there is something very wrong with the transmission. Then I came upon your video and understood exactly what was happening.
As a professional transmission mechanic, I have never pulled the engine to do a torque converter because of shutter I believe it’s faster to pull the subframe and pull the trans even though it will need an alignment, when it’s out changing the front seal may be a good idea and always pre fill the torque converter with fluid maybe 1 quart or so, never put it in dry!
Thank you so much AMD. You saved my torque converter! I have a 2014 RAV4 and I recently dropped my transmission pan and changed my fluid and I have the 4 magnets in the bottom. I don’t have the shudder issue yet, and my rav only has 83000kms on it, but after watching your video, and looking up the TSB I found that I have the old ecu/tcu calibration ID 342N5000/54204000. I just took it into the dealership and they updated it to 342N5200/54204200. You saved my tranny. Bless you.
@@Quentyn73 I had a friend who had an copy of the Toyota service software. But not an account so we could not update it. I was able to read them though. Toyota calls it the calibration ID. There are two of them. One for the engine and one for the transmission. When I took it to the Toyota dealer, they showed me what the calibration IDs were and what they updated them to.
"Pulling the engine on this is super simple." Now that is a humorous statement which was probably not intended to be humorous since you are an expert at this, but "super simple" is not my perspective! Love your videos. Thank you for making them.
Excellent, informative video. My wife had a 2014 Toyota Rav4 with 90k miles when the torque converter started shuddering. A little Googling told me that Toyota sent out a notice increasing the warranty on the TC to 8 years, 150k miles. I found the notice in our files. Wife's car was 8 years, 4 months old. Not wanting to saddle the next owner with a shuddering converter, we had it replaced at a transmission shop for $1900, then traded it toward a 2022 Subaru Forester Touring a week later. Wife tends to be frugal and didn't want to trade the Rav4, but she absolutely loves the Forester. Smooth ride, spacious, nice safety suite. We stuck with Subaru because I absolutely love my 2021 Crosstrek Limited. These are our first ever Subarus. We're retired, so we won't put a lot of mileage on our cars. I expect them to be in good shape years from now. Interestingly, last time I checked, there is no hint of a transmission problem shown in Consumer Reports for the years covered by the extended warranty. So much for the reliability of Consumer Reports.
Thanks for this video. I have a '19 Jetta (yes, not Toyota) and my shudder is very faint at 25-30 mph and just sounds like a little brrrrp, no shaking. Still going to call a certified dealership for the software update. Sounds very similar to my situation. Even though we dont own Toyotas, you're incredible! I love watching your videos as I learn so much in such a short time! Happy new years!
I've known about the torque converter problem for a couple of years and I was led to believe that the problem was due to defective torque converters. But now you have shed new light on the issue. 👍
I recently somehow found your channel. Watched about 5-6 videos. I am already short of words for your praise. I wish I could find honest and knowledgeable mechanics like you in India. Kudos to you for the incredible work you do. May God increase your glory and your shop flourish exponentially. 👍
I did transmission service on my 2015 Lexus ES350 based on your transmission service video and it went perfectly. Even did a video of it on my small channel. Thanks for your great instructions!
I have never owned a Toyota, I own a Renault which cannot be bought in the USA but each time I see Ahmed talking about cars and his work ethics, it makes me smile and i take a few minutes to watch his video... Great to see you once more, Ahmed!
I had a Renault Megane 3 and I eventually off loaded it for something else. It was nothing but trouble. The 1.5dci is very commonly used in the uk and Europe but injector failure and high pressure pumps seem to be common issues. I do like styling of French cars but from my experience reliability was a concern. Renault failed as a brand when it was part of AMC and I can’t see them returning back to the USA, but I have read that Dacia are looking to the US market which does surprise me a little because Dacia’s are all fitted with Renault components so maybe in recent years they have improved.
@@deanobmx Yup, i have a 2013 Renault Grand Scenic 1,5 dci and it is just as you said it: a lot of issues but great to drive. Concerning Dacia: they are rebranded Renaults but generally prepared for tougher terrains so overall performance is even better than that of Renault's.
This presentation is EXCELLENT!!! My 2013 Camry SE had the shudder and the TC was replaced on warranty after a software update. The dealership could not articulate why the failure happened.....now I know! AND I got a new TC with extended warranty.....the car just hit 200K miles and the end is NOWHERE in sight!! BTW, my wife will be picking up a new Venza hybrid next week! Fingers crossed!
I bought a 2013 Camry from a small independent local dealer with no warranty. My bad. Had it less than a week when I discovered it had a shudder. Took it to our local Toyota dealership. They took pity on me and replaced the torque converter for under $2000. I should have done my research before buying the car. Expensive lesson learned.
Your presentation skills are off the chart. I watch the whole video every time. My Grandfather was a Machinist who repaired antique cars. So I like to work on my Cars myself too.
I have the same car (2012 Camry) and had this repair done by the dealership under warranty. Thank you so much, AMD, for sharing all the background information. Now I understand better what was done. I really appreciate what you are doing!
Hello! Where are you located? How did you get them to fix it- if allegedlh there is no open recall? I’m taking mine tomorrow morning so I want to be as prepared as possible! Thanks
@@elizabethr631hey man, did you end up seeing if the dealership will fix it for free ? I get shudders at low accelerations but don’t have $2300 to fix this out of pocket.
@@elizabethr631Toyota pretty much gave me a big fuck you. I never had the issue until now & I never received any notice even though I am the original owner.
Another great video. I bought a 13 RX350 last year. I noticed an occasional torque converter shudder over the winter and changed a couple of quarts of fluid. That solved the problem for several thousand miles. It came back a couple of times so I recently did a full fluid exchange myself with Genuine Toyota WS fluid. She’s running smooth as silk at 117k right now.
I'm grateful for the privilege to watch you. You do this so well, and I hope to be as honest, sincere, and knowledgeable as you. Thank you so much, AMD.
Thanks for sharing, I just did one today on a 2012 camry. Customer came in complaining about feeling a hesitation around 40-50mph. That first test drive I didn’t feel anything, so after getting more information from the customer, it was more of a vibration in the gas pedal. while searching through TSB’s and scrolling RUclips I found this video and your explanation of the issue helped me replicate the concern. Your videos have been very helpful during my time as a Toyota technician. I just completed the TACT program and became expert certified in 2 categories and looking to be an expert across the board, within the next few months. Keep up the great content!
Same problem with my 99 Camry v6. Due to old fluid that I replaced and that nearly fixed all the problems. Lucas fixed the rest and it has over 60k more miles and 6 years later and I’m still driving it.
I own a 2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid, purchased new. Last year, it failed to start. The problem turned out to be the 10-year-old OEM 12-volt battery. With over 10 years and 100k miles, we have replaced the 12-volt battery, the brake pads once, and a rear-wheel speed sensor once, and I'm on my third set of tires. That's all!
I put lubegard in my GS350. 30,000 miles now, no issues. I just couldn't bring myself to spend that money for that problem. Mine shuddered lightly every now and then. My mechanic dropped the pan. Cleaned everything, put a new filter on.
Thank you once again for coming through for us viewers Ahmed! I'm currently having an issue where every dealer near me in the valley is fighting me on getting the latest software update. They insist I don't need it unless I'm already having the issue. It's absolutely infuriating! I'm so tired of dealing with the dealership for anything!
Update. I just barely got done having the dealer do it. Painless. I don't know what happened before. Maybe I was inquiring with incompetent people but I was able to get it done.
I am having the same problem with my 2014 Rav4 when I drove it between 30-50mph normal driving. I brought it to the dealership and discuss about the TSB with regards to torque converter. They drive test it and was told that there's no shudder they observed. I ask the mechanic and went with him to drive but the way he step on the gas was very hard so you won't feel any shudder. I asked him to drive it slowly but he insisted that there's nothing wrong with the torque converter. He said that you can feel the vibration on the steering wheel if the torque converter has a problem. What a rude mechanic! I was really disappointed. I'm planning to bring my car to your shop to have it check and might be able to update the software but the problem is you are only open during weekdays until 5pm. More power to your channel!
Your videos make aware of the time it takes to fix something. For those customers who may not like the final price of the repair ( I know you go over things with your customers ). I am thinking other places.
You are a wealth of knowledge and I hope you know that most of us out here do not take you for granted. Thank you for sharing your immeasurable knowledge and expertise. May the lord bless YOU and keep YOU!
Some months ago, my Camry 12 started to have this issue. Reviewing AMDs videos, I was able to identify the problem. Unfortunately, I don't have a mechanic like AMD close to me. I went to a dealer, and they quoted $3,700. The next one said it should be $2800. After they inspected the car, they changed the estimate to over $7k. Due to rust, they expected to change a lot of parts. The vehicle was not rusted, as I only lived in NY with it for 4 years, but mechanics in Florida have no idea how to deal with any rust. I ended up trading my car in although I liked it a lot and wanted it to be for my son once he starts going to college next year.
I have a 2012 Rav4 that's had this issue, 40mph and 1200 to 1500 rpm. I took it to the dealer to fix it. I don't recall them doing a software update. It helped but I had the same issue come back. By this time the warranty was up so I changed this fluid and filter. It's not near as bad now but still shutters a little. If it happens again I know where to take it. Thanks for the video, I now know what the true problem is.
Amazing work as always, AMD. I would love to see you tackle some valve stem seals (without removing the head). I’ve got a 2000 camry with leaking valve seals and I’m considering DIY for it.
You can do that diy I believe you'd have to remove the and timing chain but not the head the seals your talking are rubber seals on top of the head and it doesn't need to be removed ever when doing that job. When your about the valve springs used compressed air in the spark plug hole so the valves don't drop into the cylinder and do them 1 cylinder at a time
Never been an addictive guy but the local guys at Toyota told me to try this first. I have a 91 Toyota that I stopped driving when I was painting it and it sat for a long while. I noticed when I started driving it again it had the dreaded valve seals smoke when first firing it up. I was friends with the local service and parts guys and was asking exactly that question, how much to replace valve seals and could it be done with air. They said sure. But also said try this additive call B & G engine oil treatment. About 15 bucks for a small can that you put in your oil. I’m an part time mechanic and steel fabricator and I thought are you kidding me, Toyota is telling me to try this 🤦♂️🤷♂️ Well it worked, guess it softens the oil seals up making them more playable. Solved the problem. Sorry for the novel
@@dljones61 thanks for the reply! Yes in the past I’ve actually tried this additive called Bar’s Leaks Engine Repair. It works temporarily of course and also rather inconsistently. Some days I see smoke and others not so much. Might have to give this B & G stuff a try. Adding engine treatments almost feels like adding a quart of oil between oil changes. I’m also more of an upstream guy myself, and would rather tackle the underlying issue before I have to replace my catalytic converter again.
I've been watching your videos and dreaming about bringing my car to your shop to see if you could identify my problem. It turns out you could. I've the same issue, even though my car has a different transmission. I've researched enough to understand it's the torque converter (hesitation and shudder around 37-40 mph, if I give it more gas it goes away, if I let the gas it goes away) but couldn't find any mechanics to take the job. My local Toyota specialist suggested me to go to a transmission shop, transmission shop says I need a full transmission built, even though car has been driving and shifting fine for years like this. I knew you know what you're talking about but this video assured me that you're a top notch mechanic. It's a long drive from my state but I'd like to get it fixed before it damages the transmission.
I was a Ford technician for many years, specializing in transmission overhaul and repair, among other things. Although I know the procedures you demonstrate in your videos, I still enjoy watching them. You do an excellent job. Just about every one of your repair videos I see, you, as I also often did, are dealing with broken bolts. This adds considerable time to the repair. Do you charge additional time to cover this, or do you just absorb it? Especially today, when manufactures are mating so much dissimilar metals, it would be nice if they would use some anti-seize in these areas. It would be very much appreciated by us technicians in the salt belt.
I had the a transmission shudder issue in my 2017 Camry LE at 130k miles. My mechanic recommended rebuilding the transmission not just replacing the torque converter. I replaced the torque converter because it was cheaper and the shudder came back within a month. I did have to rebuild the transmission after-all. This was not just a computer issue.
Nice looking/well taken care of Camry! 😍 Great job AMD! I always told my mechanic, if u see anything/ know anything bad, replace it while u have it apart. $2000, DEFINITELY worth it! That fluid was pretty brown. Bevlike a new car now!
This could not have been better timing for this video!! I am going through this right now with a 2013 Toyota Highlander. Love your videos man! Keep up the great work!
I’ve been looking over and over for someone to cover this torque converter failure. The shudder happens exactly in the range you described in my wife’s 2014 Camry. Sadly I think we’re out of warranty the car was purchased secondhand. Will be looking to get this repair done at a reasonable yet competent shop’s price.
I bought my 06 rav4 about 10 years ago with100k, and it has the same problem. It's kinda annoying, but I just dealt with it. It now has 305k miles and is still going, even with that torque converter shudder. The shop quoted me from $3500-45000 to fix the problem, but I'm not gonna spend that kind of money on a car with such high mileage.
@@fh1980ram I am having same issue with my 2013 Camry....you said you dealt with it, can you provide more detail how?....mine also has 210K Kms as its a Canadian car. Thanks
amazing video .thank you very much brother.i have a 2012 rav 4 with the same problem,very low mileage (65k) .i was thinking that this car was shifting very early as in going into 5th instead of 3rd in a manual transmission.i was opting for a software update before watching you but never expected this low blow from toyota.i have to be ready with the ambulance before bringing the news to my customer
If out of warranty, try shudder fix from lubegard first. I had only a slight shudder in 2014 crv. Replaced fluid twice, no metal on magnet of drainplug, and then added shudder fix. No issues after one year, runs perfect
2K for all that-you Sir are an extremely fair shop ! Having watched numerous videos of you in action-your customers are getting a H@!! of of a deal ! Keep up the fine work !
Hi there CCNUT, I watched your video and was about to go NUTS when I saw the invasive approach you undertook to fix the shudder problem! I have the 2014 Rav 4 which shuddered at around 15-1800 rpm - - However, I did a bit more research and found that the 'LIFETIME' fluid that Toyota placed in these vehicles breakdown WITH TIME (like all fluids do) thereby losing the chemical composition that allows the torque convertor to operate in the way it should - in short I found the list of products by Lubeguard - specifically - Instant Shudder Fix - I simply drained my transmission pan (~ 2 quarts) and replaced 2 quarts (including the instant shudder fix as an addition to the fluid). Sealed it up, started the car let it idle in park for about 15 minutes, I then shifted throughthe gears while the vehicle was still stationary. I then drove UNDER 25 KM/H for ~ 3 km. Thereafter I took it for a test run on surface and highway - TO MY SURPRISE THE SHUDDER COMPLETELY DISAPPEARED!!! I COULD NO LONGER REPLICATE THE SHUDDER AT THE USUAL SPOTS AND THE TRANSMISSION SHIFTED EVEN SMOOTHER THAN BEFORE! This was a clear indictor the problem was NOT the TORQUE CONVERTOR, instead, it was the FLUID that lost its touch!!! QUESTION: DO YOU CARRY OUT THE VERY SIMPLE TRANSMISSION FLUID CHANGE AND POSSIBLY ADDING SOMETHING LIKE THE INSTANT SHUDDER FIX - BEFORE YOU EMBARK ON THIS INVASIVE REPAIR PROCEDURE? I did the transmission fluid in my front yard - and the problem was solved - can you imagine me spending 2-3000$ on something that could be fixed by a couple of bottles of WS Toyota Tranny fluid 25$ total and a 19$ bottle of Instant shudder fix? I PLAN TO CHANGE THE FLUID EVERY 20,000 KM and clean the pan and magnets, hereafter... I posted a DIY video on me doing the drian and refill on my channel. I also compared the color of the ''LIFETIME FLUID'' to the new fluid I was putting in. Feel free to watch and critique my approach - and tell me why the fluid drain and instant shudder fix worked in so much that I did not have to replace my torque convertor for this very same problem that you had to replace it in the Camry? Thanks.
I wish I did this. I had my mechanic replace the torque converter and replace the trans fluid just over a month ago. Had the software updated too. Then a couple days ago the gears just stopped engaging while driving and just like that I was left stranded. What I’m wondering is, if this happened as a result of the replacement work done? Could he have missed a critical step in the installation or damaged something when installing? These are the codes as well: P2757 p0746 p2808
@@andrewfitness8943 Sorry to hear about your situation Buddy! Yes, I always do a little research around problems with my vehicles - often times I'm not the only one with the same problem and sometimes other figured out a solution - not saying the shops are 'always' wrong in their approach - but sometimes they need to step away from the 'text book mentality' and explore other options bedore grabbing a wrench... Your p2756 and 2808 are related to the control solenoids (some technician recommended replacing those once you actually tear down the tranny as the old ones often get stuck after reassembling the tranny) and the 0745 is a little more complicated - may be low fluid level, clogged filter, dirty oil etc... Google the codes - it's difficult to say whether it's a missed step etc... but in my non-mechanical estimation- the issue seems fixable without having to replace or completely tearing down the tranny... speak with your tech or another technician... Best of luck.
OMG - Sorry I'm just seeing your comment - Honestly - it is difficult to determined what went wrong - one thing I do know - generally when one takes apart the tranny to replace the TC - it is a good idea to replace the solenoids in order to reduce the likelihood of malfunctioning parts after reassembly... I hope by now you've had it figured out... Best. @@andrewfitness8943
Our 2014 had a software update done soon after we bought it. Before this we noted that the trans was slow to gain rpm when accelerating. We were not notified of the later updates. At about 135,000 miles it started shuddering. The dealer replaced the torque converter under warranty enhancement. The limit was 150,000 miles and I believe 10 years. We got a letter notifying us of the program.
I don't own the model, but I'm curious what the 'shudder' feels like. If it's felt through the steering wheel at certain speeds, or the whole vehicle etc.
My 2013 Rav4 has just hit 111,000 miles and I finally realized that the odd behavior at 40mph was the torque converter shudder. Had it tested by the dealer just a few weeks before the car hit 10 years and they said it was "normal" so I'd have to fork over 3K to have a new converter installed and software updated. The sticker in my warranty book says the enhancement was for 8 years or 150,000 miles so I'm screwed. Needless to say I won't be buying another Toyota - back to Ford I guess.
Sounds the same as what I went through on my 2013 Honda CRV. Had torque converter replaced at 80,000 miles just replaced fluid and filter at 130,000. All good so far. Went through and replaced 3 missing fasteners the dealership decided weren’t necessary. I guess always check work that has been done.
Still drive my 2005 Camry. The thing is solid and I mean solid. It's over 18 years old with well north of 350,000 kms and everything feels substantial. The newer Camrys are great but long are the days of materials quality. Toronto Canada
I traded in my 2005 Camry with only 140k miles because my now former mechanic botched a repair and broke the clock spring cable (for the airbag) and I had already dumped $2,100 into it with him and didn't feel it was worth it to dump another $700 for the cable that he refused to pay for and then $300 for the leaking valve cover gasket, get new tires etc. Anyway, traded it in for a certified used 2017 Camry two years ago and tbh I would rather have the 2005 Camry back. The 2005 rode way smoother and the seats were way more comfortable.
That's an excellent job and value for $2,300.00. God bless 🙏👍👍👍 THANKS 😊 I have found that my local Toyota dealership shops are incompetent and perform substandard work. Wish you were closer to my location. I prefer to do the majority of my work myself because I know the job will get done right.
A lot of these 4 cyl Japanese cars will also shudder at idle at the stop light. This can make the tensioner start vibrating (old civics). This can cause the tensioner fastening bolt(s) to fracture. Happened twice on my 2006 civic.
Lubegard 19610 fixes this Toyota torque converter shudder. Replace the transmission fluid and add two tubes of the Lubegard shudder fix. I’ve fixed three Camrys (two 2012 and one 2013) within the past 18 months with the Lubegard. It’s a well known fix in the diagnostic community.
I always appreciate and enjoy these vids with important tricks. I like to think I'm pretty capable, but pulling an engine is more of a space problem than ability for me. 🤞🤞Hope I never have to get that far into a job at home!
Sadly, Toyota no longer covers this maintenance under warranty/recall. I missed the cutoff date by 2 months as it ended the date of car’s manufacture + 8 years. (Mine was February 2012, therefore after February 2020 it’s no longer covered.) I paid $2400 for this repair at a Toyota dealership in April 2020. I was hesitant because of price, but I have had no issues since.
you videos are the most comprehensive on you tube, thanks for all the time you spend in producing these excellent videos. I purchased my second 4 runner new in 2011 and it has a peculiar problem similar to this. When warmed up, there is a mild shudder on the 1st to 2nd upshift only during very light throttle. Does a firm up shift any other throttle settings. Reminds me of old fashioned manual clutch shudder when the clutch is slipping a bit. My dealer could not reproduce it unfortunately as I rode with him. Still does it at 88,000 miles, I know, low mileage for a 2011, Maybe I should see if there is a software update but maybe I should just leave it alone...Love both of my 4 runners 2004 and 2011.
Does the benefit of removing the engine and leaving the transmission in place also apply to clutch replacement jobs on manual transmission Toyotas? Thanks to all the production and film crew at TCCN film studios.
Great video as always. I don't agree about the transmission shop not being able to repair correctly thou . A quality/knowledgeable transmission shop can repair these without Toyota software. Using a good aftermarket valvebody correction kit or a Sonnax transmission repair kit along with a new torque converter. My experience is most OE manufacturers don't really dig into actually reason for transmission failures or concerns with shifting, shudder, slipping etc . OE solution is software update or change the failed component until warranty term is fulfilled. The company Sonnax that is all they do all day everyday is look for actually reason for the failure. I've used many of there kits and valvebody tools over the years to properly fix OE transmission issues.
@@DylanL69 Disagree, Sonnax is a reputable company and has came out with long term fixes instead of a bandage that OE manufacturers apply until warranty term is fulfilled.
@@DylanL69 Agree to disagree. Sometimes the OEM is better but other times the aftermarket solution works better. Knowing which solution is better for different situations saves you from having a comeback and keeps the customer happy and on the road longer.
4th gen 4Runners can have this issue too. Rumble strip type vibration. Many times misdiagnosed as bad transmission. Torque converter change out and all is good.
Great video! I saw another TC video in which the mechanic pre-filled the TC before installing it, but that was on a Dodge pickup! Did I miss it in this video, or is it a different procedure for a Toyota? Thanks for the excellent and informative content.
Thnx. Never knew that a software problem could cause this. Many years ago, I stopped working on my cars because I broke a bolt and finally got it out. But it really scared me!
YES, much easier to pull the engine. It sounds counter intuitive but not having to remove the three mount mounts, axle shafts, messing with the sub frame saves a lot of time. Plus most newer cars have electric power steering which is one less thing to get in the way. And while the engine is out, much easier to do maintenance on it.
@@DylanL69 I pull the trans, it’s a matter of preference. Toyota pays 5.1hrs for this job including the reflash. Looks like this took amd about 8hrs total. The complete job takes me around 2.0hrs
When my 2013 RAV4 shutter became noticeable earlier this year (105K miles), I took it to the dealer who claimed it was "normal' (I have it in print) but they could replace the TC for closer to 3K at my expense. Aside from a huge mark-up on the kit and labor rate, they insisted I'd need another 4 wheel alignment, which they just did when I took it in! Never any mention of the software update needed to address the root cause. Perhaps they wanted to avoid the unpleasant discussion that would follow or being compared to VW for their software slight of hand. I'm coming to the conclusion that at least this dealership, in a rich suburb, makes the bulk of their money on service and repairs, not selling new cars. Not that they had any in the showroom - just newer used/off lease.
What is the best way of finding out whether you have the old programming or the new one? Is it done with an OBD2 computer like an Intellitester? Which version is the "good" version?
It has to be done with the toyota exclusive tech 2 software if I'm not mistaken. So dealer or someone like AMD that specializes specifically with Toyotas.
I have a 2013 Camry SE that has this problem. I really, really wish that I was near your shop. I DIY most of my car repair issues, but this is beyond the scope of my abilities. I don't have a mechanic that I can trust to bill me fairly and do good work. I love this car, but it may be time to let it go.
I have a 2012 Camry that had this problem. I had a software update done early when I got the car, but around 140,000 miles the shuttering began. The torque converter was replaced under warranty.
My Brother had this issue and was gave a choice from Toyota to flash the ECU and give it a new torque converter free or for $500 flash the ECU, new torque converter, and a Toyota replacement transmission. They also gave him a rental car free for the duration. He bought the car from a Toyota dealer as "certified pre-owned". He ended up getting the transmission as well since a new transmission for $500 bucks is a really good deal. I was really surprised when he told me that they offered a transmission for $500 because I thought they would only do the converter and flash the ECU. This was just three months ago that he had gotten this done, and he has had the car less than a year.
My dad and my brother both have the 2012 Camry with same problem. If you don’t address it will it go out eventually or is it just a nuisance and you can drive it forever?
In the video the kit has 4 new pan magnets to capture debris from the over stressed lock out clutch that lives in the TC. If you just drive it forever the AT may fail early rather than later due to the debris.
I went to my local dealer today and had it done. I think it was 86 dollars and change out the door. Just for the update. It may differ from location though
I grew up in the 60's driving manual trans cars, sometimes the clutch would shudder. In 87 I bought a Buick Grand National. At 6000 miles the rear end which was posi started shuddering. fixed the problem by replacing the fluid in the rearend. There are certain additives in the fluid that once they wear out the rearend would start shuddering because of the clutch plates. I was having to do this every 6000 miles. When I married my wife in 98 she had a 95 mustang with V6. At 85000 miles her transmission started shuddering. I changed out the fluid and filter with quality name fluid, since not all the fluid was changed out because only what's in the pan gets changed out. 5000 miles later the old fluid in the transmission contaminated the new fluid and it started shudderinmg again. I changed out the fluid and filter again. This solved the problem and had no matter problems with the transmission. The car was sold at 145,000 miles. I believe what is fixing the Toyota problem may not be the new converter but the new fluid put into the transmission. The reason why only these year models may be the supplier of the clutches in these particular transmissions once the additives in the fluid wear out the shuttering starts,
I feel sorry for the customer -- this is 100% Toyota's fault and the customer was was held responsible for a $2K bill. People rave about Toyota reliability, but tell that to the guy who had to pay $2K for a torque converter.
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Literally pissed because this is about to be me. My first car is a 2014 Camry that I bought a month ago. Been feeling the shudder every now and then. When I finally checked the service history I saw that the former owner also had filed a complaint about the shudder and the issue was reported to be with the torque converter. I’m so pissed. Pray for me you guys.
If looking at a used car you can register the vin on Toyota Owners and see all service history/ warranty work done at any Toyota dealer. I got lucky and bought my 2012 SE Limited Edition (all were 2AR) in Dec 2020 with 81k and it’s now sitting at 169,000 miles with not a single issue since it was replaced/ updated at 34k under warranty/ service campaign.
I drive exclusively for a living, Camry only. The company replaced 6 2012-14 converters under warranty. Surprisingly my current 2016 developed the same problem. After driving another 100K mi with shaking, we finally replaced the T Converter and all good naw @ 240K miles on odometer
I just bought a 2013, 2 days ago, and its shuddering. 170k for mileage, but she is beautiful and absolutely zero issues. I paid $9grand, and I feel like this will be a worthy investment
I took care Of that recall way back when it first became a problem shifts smooth as butter next month she will be 10 years old still love ole silver as much as I did the day I got her.
Years ago I was looking for the most sporty Camry possible. I looked at a 2014 from Carmax, but they wanted to much money for it. Guess I lucked out on that. I didn't know how bad this shudder actually was until now. Looked at some 2015 to 2017 but many of these transmissions would shift badly in paddle mode, but did run well in full auto. The SE models also had a harsh ride. The 2015 had a bad steering rack. One salesman would not let me drive a 2015 until after he turned the wheel from side to side then said ok. I said no thanks. Drove some 2018+ cars even rented a 2022 but the transmissions all slipped and banged at low speeds. I think you bought the only good one that being the Hybrid. I did own a 2007 that was a oil burner. I thought that was fixed in 2010 and 2011 and had a good 5 speed transmission but I don't know. The 1996 was the best one. But Toyota decided best not to compete with Lexus and the Camry has been problematic ever since. Now it is a new world and I did like your video on the new Venza. If I was looking for a used Camry today it would be a 2017 LE and just leave it in auto and enjoy the soft ride.
My 1983 Subaru GL-10 had the lockup shudder from new. The shudder was awful and the dash was just a blur. Adjusting the car's speed, to unlock the converter, instantly remedied the immediate issue. Subaru couldn't replicate the issue because it didn't always happen and they refused to do anything. At least Toyota wasn't/isn't in denial.
Toyota is not perfect. But they replaced my 2012 Camry Torque Converter at 130,000 miles. I’ve seen American Big 3 tell customers to get lost with problems that were still under the original warranty! I’m thankful to Toyota for making it right and we only drive Toyota’s! Have 5 of them now…
Yes, my bought new 2014.5 Camry SE 2.5L developed I believe this torque converter problem at 138k miles and at low speed in lower gears feeling my body slightly lift forward at gear 1-2 and 2-3 changing. I figure selling in 2021 for $9500. was a better deal and get my 2019 Avalon Limited! My Camry didn't shutter as described.
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I bought my 2012 Camry as a Toyota certified used car in 2016 with about 40,000 miles. Not long after I bought it, I noticed this shudder always at the same stretch of road (very slight uphill) at about 35 mph. I went to the dealer for an oil change, and casually mentioned it, and as soon as I started to describe it the service manager smiled and nodded, knowing exactly what I was talking about. They fixed it under warranty, and I’m still loving my Camry at over 198,000 miles!
Im impressed that they didnt try to convince you that there wasnt a problem and that the shutter is normal operations.
It would seem that toyota would recall for the issue since it can be resolved merely by reprogramming (if I understood Ahmed's description correctly).
My Toyota dealer did not fix it. The day I took my 13” Camry back they had 15 mechanics quit and walk off the job.
Fixed it how?
My dealer denied any responsibility. And now in 2023 no shop is willing to fix
You're getting better and better at this with every video, I'm also glad you mention prices.
@@thatv8life186 If my mechanic, fix my car, clean every oil spilt, properly removing broken bolts, updating the software, record it, present it as it clean with clear instruction and details as in this video, and then charged with those bills, I would not asked any questions.
The only thing I would ask or complain is car washing. Which probably they do anyway before entering that shops, because most car in their garage are looking very nice/sparkling.
he did good until the end @ 20:00 any filter restriction is a system restriction which compromises pumps, which compromises transmission systems. never flush always change you fiters every 30-50k!
A friend of mine gave me his camry for a brake job. I left his house with his 2014 camry and within 2 miles, I felt this shudder between 20-40mph. I called him immediately and told him there is something very wrong with the transmission. Then I came upon your video and understood exactly what was happening.
It’s always a good day when The Car Care nut uploads 😊😊
Funny -
Absolutely
As a professional transmission mechanic, I have never pulled the engine to do a torque converter because of shutter I believe it’s faster to pull the subframe and pull the trans even though it will need an alignment, when it’s out changing the front seal may be a good idea and always pre fill the torque converter with fluid maybe 1 quart or so, never put it in dry!
Mi rav4 2009 tiene ese problema, entre los 40 y 50 kilómetros
An $80 valve body upgrade kit fixes it much faster. ;-)
Thank you so much AMD. You saved my torque converter! I have a 2014 RAV4 and I recently dropped my transmission pan and changed my fluid and I have the 4 magnets in the bottom. I don’t have the shudder issue yet, and my rav only has 83000kms on it, but after watching your video, and looking up the TSB I found that I have the old ecu/tcu calibration ID 342N5000/54204000. I just took it into the dealership and they updated it to 342N5200/54204200. You saved my tranny. Bless you.
I have the same year. How did you got the ecu I'd?
@@Quentyn73 I had a friend who had an copy of the Toyota service software. But not an account so we could not update it. I was able to read them though. Toyota calls it the calibration ID. There are two of them. One for the engine and one for the transmission. When I took it to the Toyota dealer, they showed me what the calibration IDs were and what they updated them to.
@@steveklassen696 I appreciate the fast response. Thank you!
I was able to pull it out using a code scanner. Mine is 342N6000/54205000
Here’s the tsb. static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2015/MC-10111559-9999.pdf
You’ll want to get that updated.
"Pulling the engine on this is super simple." Now that is a humorous statement which was probably not intended to be humorous since you are an expert at this, but "super simple" is not my perspective! Love your videos. Thank you for making them.
Excellent, informative video. My wife had a 2014 Toyota Rav4 with 90k miles when the torque converter started shuddering. A little Googling told me that Toyota sent out a notice increasing the warranty on the TC to 8 years, 150k miles. I found the notice in our files. Wife's car was 8 years, 4 months old. Not wanting to saddle the next owner with a shuddering converter, we had it replaced at a transmission shop for $1900, then traded it toward a 2022 Subaru Forester Touring a week later. Wife tends to be frugal and didn't want to trade the Rav4, but she absolutely loves the Forester. Smooth ride, spacious, nice safety suite. We stuck with Subaru because I absolutely love my 2021 Crosstrek Limited. These are our first ever Subarus. We're retired, so we won't put a lot of mileage on our cars. I expect them to be in good shape years from now. Interestingly, last time I checked, there is no hint of a transmission problem shown in Consumer Reports for the years covered by the extended warranty. So much for the reliability of Consumer Reports.
The only place where people should do maintenance and repair of their cars. Thank you AMD. Excellent video!
Thanks for this video. I have a '19 Jetta (yes, not Toyota) and my shudder is very faint at 25-30 mph and just sounds like a little brrrrp, no shaking. Still going to call a certified dealership for the software update.
Sounds very similar to my situation.
Even though we dont own Toyotas, you're incredible! I love watching your videos as I learn so much in such a short time! Happy new years!
I brought my car to have this same issue fixed and The Car Care Nut did a wonderful job fixing the issue. Thanks!
I've known about the torque converter problem for a couple of years and I was led to believe that the problem was due to defective torque converters. But now you have shed new light on the issue. 👍
I recently somehow found your channel. Watched about 5-6 videos. I am already short of words for your praise.
I wish I could find honest and knowledgeable mechanics like you in India. Kudos to you for the incredible work you do. May God increase your glory and your shop flourish exponentially. 👍
I did transmission service on my 2015 Lexus ES350 based on your transmission service video and it went perfectly. Even did a video of it on my small channel. Thanks for your great instructions!
I have never owned a Toyota, I own a Renault which cannot be bought in the USA but each time I see Ahmed talking about cars and his work ethics, it makes me smile and i take a few minutes to watch his video... Great to see you once more, Ahmed!
I had a Renault Megane 3 and I eventually off loaded it for something else. It was nothing but trouble. The 1.5dci is very commonly used in the uk and Europe but injector failure and high pressure pumps seem to be common issues. I do like styling of French cars but from my experience reliability was a concern. Renault failed as a brand when it was part of AMC and I can’t see them returning back to the USA, but I have read that Dacia are looking to the US market which does surprise me a little because Dacia’s are all fitted with Renault components so maybe in recent years they have improved.
@@deanobmx Yup, i have a 2013 Renault Grand Scenic 1,5 dci and it is just as you said it: a lot of issues but great to drive.
Concerning Dacia: they are rebranded Renaults but generally prepared for tougher terrains so overall performance is even better than that of Renault's.
Yes you can. Called Nissan in America.
Renault owns Nissan so we get all that junk over here
@@deanobmx Renault did return to the USA. In the form of a Nissan.
How nice you explaining and disclosing prices for reference. Amazing work.
This presentation is EXCELLENT!!! My 2013 Camry SE had the shudder and the TC was replaced on warranty after a software update. The dealership could not articulate why the failure happened.....now I know! AND I got a new TC with extended warranty.....the car just hit 200K miles and the end is NOWHERE in sight!! BTW, my wife will be picking up a new Venza hybrid next week! Fingers crossed!
what year did you get it replaced? did they say if there was a specific time on the warranty?
I bought a 2013 Camry from a small independent local dealer with no warranty. My bad. Had it less than a week when I discovered it had a shudder. Took it to our local Toyota dealership. They took pity on me and replaced the torque converter for under $2000. I should have done my research before buying the car. Expensive lesson learned.
Your presentation skills are off the chart. I watch the whole video every time. My Grandfather was a Machinist who repaired antique cars. So I like to work on my Cars myself too.
I have the same car (2012 Camry) and had this repair done by the dealership under warranty. Thank you so much, AMD, for sharing all the background information. Now I understand better what was done. I really appreciate what you are doing!
Hello! Where are you located? How did you get them to fix it- if allegedlh there is no open recall? I’m taking mine tomorrow morning so I want to be as prepared as possible! Thanks
@@elizabethr631hey man, did you end up seeing if the dealership will fix it for free ? I get shudders at low accelerations but don’t have $2300 to fix this out of pocket.
@@thatredcam no but I bought the evidence with me and they gave me like 200 off . Runs smooth now though
@@elizabethr631Toyota pretty much gave me a big fuck you. I never had the issue until now & I never received any notice even though I am the original owner.
I love that you give us the prices and how long it takes! Thank you!
Another great video. I bought a 13 RX350 last year. I noticed an occasional torque converter shudder over the winter and changed a couple of quarts of fluid. That solved the problem for several thousand miles. It came back a couple of times so I recently did a full fluid exchange myself with Genuine Toyota WS fluid. She’s running smooth as silk at 117k right now.
I'm grateful for the privilege to watch you. You do this so well, and I hope to be as honest, sincere, and knowledgeable as you. Thank you so much, AMD.
Thanks for sharing, I just did one today on a 2012 camry.
Customer came in complaining about feeling a hesitation around 40-50mph. That first test drive I didn’t feel anything, so after getting more information from the customer, it was more of a vibration in the gas pedal. while searching through TSB’s and scrolling RUclips I found this video and your explanation of the issue helped me replicate the concern.
Your videos have been very helpful during my time as a Toyota technician. I just completed the TACT program and became expert certified in 2 categories and looking to be an expert across the board, within the next few months.
Keep up the great content!
How does this guy earn a like within 3 mins of the video is beyond me
Great video man with all the insights and correct knowledge
3 minutes?? I click on the video and the first thing I do is hit the like button and then watch the video.
I sold my 2014.5 because of this issue back in 2021 just because my vehicle had almost 200k. Now have an 12’ Lexus ES 350 love it.
AMD, you have been such a great help with these types of videos. My wife and I would like to stop by one of these days to thank you in person.
Same problem with my 99 Camry v6. Due to old fluid that I replaced and that nearly fixed all the problems. Lucas fixed the rest and it has over 60k more miles and 6 years later and I’m still driving it.
I own a 2012 Toyota Camry Hybrid, purchased new. Last year, it failed to start. The problem turned out to be the 10-year-old OEM 12-volt battery. With over 10 years and 100k miles, we have replaced the 12-volt battery, the brake pads once, and a rear-wheel speed sensor once, and I'm on my third set of tires. That's all!
I put lubegard in my GS350. 30,000 miles now, no issues. I just couldn't bring myself to spend that money for that problem. Mine shuddered lightly every now and then.
My mechanic dropped the pan. Cleaned everything, put a new filter on.
Thank you once again for coming through for us viewers Ahmed! I'm currently having an issue where every dealer near me in the valley is fighting me on getting the latest software update. They insist I don't need it unless I'm already having the issue. It's absolutely infuriating! I'm so tired of dealing with the dealership for anything!
Do other mechanics provide the update?
I am thinking of doing the update myself.
@@myp0h no, it is Toyota software. Only Toyota has it.
Call customer care.
The software update was part of a limited service campaign, so if you took your car to the dealer you probably already had the update done
Update. I just barely got done having the dealer do it. Painless. I don't know what happened before. Maybe I was inquiring with incompetent people but I was able to get it done.
I am having the same problem with my 2014 Rav4 when I drove it between 30-50mph normal driving. I brought it to the dealership and discuss about the TSB with regards to torque converter. They drive test it and was told that there's no shudder they observed. I ask the mechanic and went with him to drive but the way he step on the gas was very hard so you won't feel any shudder. I asked him to drive it slowly but he insisted that there's nothing wrong with the torque converter. He said that you can feel the vibration on the steering wheel if the torque converter has a problem. What a rude mechanic! I was really disappointed. I'm planning to bring my car to your shop to have it check and might be able to update the software but the problem is you are only open during weekdays until 5pm. More power to your channel!
AMD and Scotty has brought so much dignity to the Auto Mechanic profession with their talent, professionalism and making hardwork and DIY fun
Your videos make aware of the time it takes to fix something. For those customers who may not like the final price of the repair ( I know you go over things with your customers ). I am thinking other places.
I had this on my 2013 Toyota Camry 4 cylinder and I went to Toyota and they fixed it for me for free about 2 year ago
You are a wealth of knowledge and I hope you know that most of us out here do not take you for granted. Thank you for sharing your immeasurable knowledge and expertise.
May the lord bless YOU and keep YOU!
Some months ago, my Camry 12 started to have this issue. Reviewing AMDs videos, I was able to identify the problem. Unfortunately, I don't have a mechanic like AMD close to me. I went to a dealer, and they quoted $3,700. The next one said it should be $2800. After they inspected the car, they changed the estimate to over $7k. Due to rust, they expected to change a lot of parts. The vehicle was not rusted, as I only lived in NY with it for 4 years, but mechanics in Florida have no idea how to deal with any rust. I ended up trading my car in although I liked it a lot and wanted it to be for my son once he starts going to college next year.
I have a 2012 Rav4 that's had this issue, 40mph and 1200 to 1500 rpm. I took it to the dealer to fix it. I don't recall them doing a software update. It helped but I had the same issue come back. By this time the warranty was up so I changed this fluid and filter. It's not near as bad now but still shutters a little. If it happens again I know where to take it. Thanks for the video, I now know what the true problem is.
Amazing work as always, AMD. I would love to see you tackle some valve stem seals (without removing the head). I’ve got a 2000 camry with leaking valve seals and I’m considering DIY for it.
You can do that diy I believe you'd have to remove the and timing chain but not the head the seals your talking are rubber seals on top of the head and it doesn't need to be removed ever when doing that job. When your about the valve springs used compressed air in the spark plug hole so the valves don't drop into the cylinder and do them 1 cylinder at a time
You need compressed air to do that. Otherwise you will drop the valves.
Never been an addictive guy but the local guys at Toyota told me to try this first. I have a 91 Toyota that I stopped driving when I was painting it and it sat for a long while. I noticed when I started driving it again it had the dreaded valve seals smoke when first firing it up. I was friends with the local service and parts guys and was asking exactly that question, how much to replace valve seals and could it be done with air. They said sure. But also said try this additive call B & G engine oil treatment. About 15 bucks for a small can that you put in your oil. I’m an part time mechanic and steel fabricator and I thought are you kidding me, Toyota is telling me to try this 🤦♂️🤷♂️
Well it worked, guess it softens the oil seals up making them more playable.
Solved the problem.
Sorry for the novel
@@dljones61 thanks for the reply! Yes in the past I’ve actually tried this additive called Bar’s Leaks Engine Repair. It works temporarily of course and also rather inconsistently. Some days I see smoke and others not so much.
Might have to give this B & G stuff a try. Adding engine treatments almost feels like adding a quart of oil between oil changes.
I’m also more of an upstream guy myself, and would rather tackle the underlying issue before I have to replace my catalytic converter again.
Use high milage oil if your not already, this fixed my blue smoke at startup problem
I've been watching your videos and dreaming about bringing my car to your shop to see if you could identify my problem. It turns out you could. I've the same issue, even though my car has a different transmission. I've researched enough to understand it's the torque converter (hesitation and shudder around 37-40 mph, if I give it more gas it goes away, if I let the gas it goes away) but couldn't find any mechanics to take the job. My local Toyota specialist suggested me to go to a transmission shop, transmission shop says I need a full transmission built, even though car has been driving and shifting fine for years like this. I knew you know what you're talking about but this video assured me that you're a top notch mechanic. It's a long drive from my state but I'd like to get it fixed before it damages the transmission.
I was a Ford technician for many years, specializing in transmission overhaul and repair, among other things. Although I know the procedures you demonstrate in your videos, I still enjoy watching them. You do an excellent job.
Just about every one of your repair videos I see, you, as I also often did, are dealing with broken bolts. This adds considerable time to the repair. Do you charge additional time to cover this, or do you just absorb it?
Especially today, when manufactures are mating so much dissimilar metals, it would be nice if they would use some anti-seize in these areas. It would be very much appreciated by us technicians in the salt belt.
I had the a transmission shudder issue in my 2017 Camry LE at 130k miles. My mechanic recommended rebuilding the transmission not just replacing the torque converter. I replaced the torque converter because it was cheaper and the shudder came back within a month. I did have to rebuild the transmission after-all. This was not just a computer issue.
Same.
did it go away after the rebuild?!?!
2017 doesn’t apply to this issue
Great and very informative video AMD! I love how you are saying “Pulling engine out of the car is very simple” 😃Yeah right !
Nice looking/well taken care of Camry! 😍 Great job AMD! I always told my mechanic, if u see anything/ know anything bad, replace it while u have it apart. $2000, DEFINITELY worth it! That fluid was pretty brown. Bevlike a new car now!
This could not have been better timing for this video!! I am going through this right now with a 2013 Toyota Highlander. Love your videos man! Keep up the great work!
Didn't he say the highlander didn't have problems with that only rav4 and Camry 4cyl
@@DylanL69 maybe he did I didn't get to watch the entire video. But nonetheless, I am having the same problem with my Highlander.
@@-doughnuthole- well highlander was not involved only Camry and rav4
@@DylanL69 still very helpful to diagnose what torque shudder is and what I might be able to do. Thanks for your input though.
@@DylanL69 He also mentioned the 1AR engine which is in base trims of the Highlander
I love these videos. I'm a chevy guy but now I think I like Toyota. LoL. Super knowledgeable! Keep up the good work!
I’ve been looking over and over for someone to cover this torque converter failure. The shudder happens exactly in the range you described in my wife’s 2014 Camry. Sadly I think we’re out of warranty the car was purchased secondhand.
Will be looking to get this repair done at a reasonable yet competent shop’s price.
I bought my 06 rav4 about 10 years ago with100k, and it has the same problem. It's kinda annoying, but I just dealt with it. It now has 305k miles and is still going, even with that torque converter shudder. The shop quoted me from $3500-45000 to fix the problem, but I'm not gonna spend that kind of money on a car with such high mileage.
@@fh1980ram I am having same issue with my 2013 Camry....you said you dealt with it, can you provide more detail how?....mine also has 210K Kms as its a Canadian car. Thanks
amazing video .thank you very much brother.i have a 2012 rav 4 with the same problem,very low mileage (65k) .i was thinking that this car was shifting very early as in going into 5th instead of 3rd in a manual transmission.i was opting for a software update before watching you but never expected this low blow from toyota.i have to be ready with the ambulance before bringing the news to my customer
We would love to see how you remove broken bolts in the future. Thank you!
😂
If out of warranty, try shudder fix from lubegard first. I had only a slight shudder in 2014 crv. Replaced fluid twice, no metal on magnet of drainplug, and then added shudder fix. No issues after one year, runs perfect
2K for all that-you Sir are an extremely fair shop ! Having watched numerous videos of you in action-your customers are getting a H@!! of of a deal ! Keep up the fine work !
Hi there CCNUT, I watched your video and was about to go NUTS when I saw the invasive approach you undertook to fix the shudder problem! I have the 2014 Rav 4 which shuddered at around 15-1800 rpm - - However, I did a bit more research and found that the 'LIFETIME' fluid that Toyota placed in these vehicles breakdown WITH TIME (like all fluids do) thereby losing the chemical composition that allows the torque convertor to operate in the way it should - in short I found the list of products by Lubeguard - specifically - Instant Shudder Fix - I simply drained my transmission pan (~ 2 quarts) and replaced 2 quarts (including the instant shudder fix as an addition to the fluid). Sealed it up, started the car let it idle in park for about 15 minutes, I then shifted throughthe gears while the vehicle was still stationary. I then drove UNDER 25 KM/H for ~ 3 km. Thereafter I took it for a test run on surface and highway - TO MY SURPRISE THE SHUDDER COMPLETELY DISAPPEARED!!! I COULD NO LONGER REPLICATE THE SHUDDER AT THE USUAL SPOTS AND THE TRANSMISSION SHIFTED EVEN SMOOTHER THAN BEFORE! This was a clear indictor the problem was NOT the TORQUE CONVERTOR, instead, it was the FLUID that lost its touch!!! QUESTION: DO YOU CARRY OUT THE VERY SIMPLE TRANSMISSION FLUID CHANGE AND POSSIBLY ADDING SOMETHING LIKE THE INSTANT SHUDDER FIX - BEFORE YOU EMBARK ON THIS INVASIVE REPAIR PROCEDURE?
I did the transmission fluid in my front yard - and the problem was solved - can you imagine me spending 2-3000$ on something that could be fixed by a couple of bottles of WS Toyota Tranny fluid 25$ total and a 19$ bottle of Instant shudder fix? I PLAN TO CHANGE THE FLUID EVERY 20,000 KM and clean the pan and magnets, hereafter... I posted a DIY video on me doing the drian and refill on my channel. I also compared the color of the ''LIFETIME FLUID'' to the new fluid I was putting in. Feel free to watch and critique my approach - and tell me why the fluid drain and instant shudder fix worked in so much that I did not have to replace my torque convertor for this very same problem that you had to replace it in the Camry? Thanks.
I wish I did this.
I had my mechanic replace the torque converter and replace the trans fluid just over a month ago. Had the software updated too. Then a couple days ago the gears just stopped engaging while driving and just like that I was left stranded. What I’m wondering is, if this happened as a result of the replacement work done? Could he have missed a critical step in the installation or damaged something when installing?
These are the codes as well: P2757 p0746 p2808
@@andrewfitness8943 Sorry to hear about your situation Buddy! Yes, I always do a little research around problems with my vehicles - often times I'm not the only one with the same problem and sometimes other figured out a solution - not saying the shops are 'always' wrong in their approach - but sometimes they need to step away from the 'text book mentality' and explore other options bedore grabbing a wrench...
Your p2756 and 2808 are related to the control solenoids (some technician recommended replacing those once you actually tear down the tranny as the old ones often get stuck after reassembling the tranny) and the 0745 is a little more complicated - may be low fluid level, clogged filter, dirty oil etc... Google the codes - it's difficult to say whether it's a missed step etc... but in my non-mechanical estimation- the issue seems fixable without having to replace or completely tearing down the tranny... speak with your tech or another technician... Best of luck.
OMG - Sorry I'm just seeing your comment - Honestly - it is difficult to determined what went wrong - one thing I do know - generally when one takes apart the tranny to replace the TC - it is a good idea to replace the solenoids in order to reduce the likelihood of malfunctioning parts after reassembly... I hope by now you've had it figured out... Best.
@@andrewfitness8943
Our 2014 had a software update done soon after we bought it. Before this we noted that the trans was slow to gain rpm when accelerating. We were not notified of the later updates. At about 135,000 miles it started shuddering. The dealer replaced the torque converter under warranty enhancement. The limit was 150,000 miles and I believe 10 years. We got a letter notifying us of the program.
Some Ford models had this problem as well.
I don't own the model, but I'm curious what the 'shudder' feels like. If it's felt through the steering wheel at certain speeds, or the whole vehicle etc.
3rd or 4th gear, it'll feel like it's shaking, @@MattExzy. Cousin's 2014 Camry 2.5L was like that.
It feels like you drove over a speed bump and it goes away after 40 mph.
My 2013 Rav4 has just hit 111,000 miles and I finally realized that the odd behavior at 40mph was the torque converter shudder. Had it tested by the dealer just a few weeks before the car hit 10 years and they said it was "normal" so I'd have to fork over 3K to have a new converter installed and software updated. The sticker in my warranty book says the enhancement was for 8 years or 150,000 miles so I'm screwed. Needless to say I won't be buying another Toyota - back to Ford I guess.
Sounds the same as what I went through on my 2013 Honda CRV. Had torque converter replaced at 80,000 miles just replaced fluid and filter at 130,000. All good so far. Went through and replaced 3 missing fasteners the dealership decided weren’t necessary. I guess always check work that has been done.
Still drive my 2005 Camry. The thing is solid and I mean solid. It's over 18 years old with well north of 350,000 kms and everything feels substantial. The newer Camrys are great but long are the days of materials quality. Toronto Canada
I traded in my 2005 Camry with only 140k miles because my now former mechanic botched a repair and broke the clock spring cable (for the airbag) and I had already dumped $2,100 into it with him and didn't feel it was worth it to dump another $700 for the cable that he refused to pay for and then $300 for the leaking valve cover gasket, get new tires etc. Anyway, traded it in for a certified used 2017 Camry two years ago and tbh I would rather have the 2005 Camry back. The 2005 rode way smoother and the seats were way more comfortable.
I check back all the time for updates. As a Toyota nut, I love your videos
You are awesome - your skills on explaining these issues is impressive
That's an excellent job and value for $2,300.00. God bless 🙏👍👍👍 THANKS 😊 I have found that my local Toyota dealership shops are incompetent and perform substandard work. Wish you were closer to my location. I prefer to do the majority of my work myself because I know the job will get done right.
I feel the same way about the Toyota dealership near me. They suck at diagnosing issues!!!
A lot of these 4 cyl Japanese cars will also shudder at idle at the stop light. This can make the tensioner start vibrating (old civics). This can cause the tensioner fastening bolt(s) to fracture. Happened twice on my 2006 civic.
Wish there were still a way to set the idle speed on an engine. Kicking the AC on makes the idle shudder 'go away' by increasing engine rpm slightly.
Hahahaha that's funny sorry
Good point
Lubegard 19610 fixes this Toyota torque converter shudder. Replace the transmission fluid and add two tubes of the Lubegard shudder fix. I’ve fixed three Camrys (two 2012 and one 2013) within the past 18 months with the Lubegard. It’s a well known fix in the diagnostic community.
No it doesn’t. You have to get the upgraded torque converter with the software update. It may go away for a little while but it will come back
I always appreciate and enjoy these vids with important tricks. I like to think I'm pretty capable, but pulling an engine is more of a space problem than ability for me. 🤞🤞Hope I never have to get that far into a job at home!
Brother, you are a wealth of information like a neurologist, or a radiologist, or an endocrinologist, of the car world, well, the Toyota world
Sadly, Toyota no longer covers this maintenance under warranty/recall. I missed the cutoff date by 2 months as it ended the date of car’s manufacture + 8 years. (Mine was February 2012, therefore after February 2020 it’s no longer covered.) I paid $2400 for this repair at a Toyota dealership in April 2020. I was hesitant because of price, but I have had no issues since.
you videos are the most comprehensive on you tube, thanks for all the time you spend in producing these excellent videos. I purchased my second 4 runner new in 2011 and it has a peculiar problem similar to this. When warmed up, there is a mild shudder on the 1st to 2nd upshift only during very light throttle. Does a firm up shift any other throttle settings. Reminds me of old fashioned manual clutch shudder when the clutch is slipping a bit. My dealer could not reproduce it unfortunately as I rode with him. Still does it at 88,000 miles, I know, low mileage for a 2011, Maybe I should see if there is a software update but maybe I should just leave it alone...Love both of my 4 runners 2004 and 2011.
Does the benefit of removing the engine and leaving the transmission in place also apply to clutch replacement jobs on manual transmission Toyotas? Thanks to all the production and film crew at TCCN film studios.
I have a 2014.5 and haven’t had issues. I’ll go in and get it updated.
Great video as always. I don't agree about the transmission shop not being able to repair correctly thou . A quality/knowledgeable transmission shop can repair these without Toyota software. Using a good aftermarket valvebody correction kit or a Sonnax transmission repair kit along with a new torque converter. My experience is most OE manufacturers don't really dig into actually reason for transmission failures or concerns with shifting, shudder, slipping etc . OE solution is software update or change the failed component until warranty term is fulfilled. The company Sonnax that is all they do all day everyday is look for actually reason for the failure. I've used many of there kits and valvebody tools over the years to properly fix OE transmission issues.
Still better to have the factory software update because it can or will do it again you can't always trust aftermarket kits like that
@@DylanL69 Disagree, Sonnax is a reputable company and has came out with long term fixes instead of a bandage that OE manufacturers apply until warranty term is fulfilled.
@@james10165 the oem is better even if sometimes there fixes don't always work and I never said sonnax wasn't a reputable company
@@DylanL69 Agree to disagree. Sometimes the OEM is better but other times the aftermarket solution works better. Knowing which solution is better for different situations saves you from having a comeback and keeps the customer happy and on the road longer.
@@james10165 very true I can agree on that
4th gen 4Runners can have this issue too. Rumble strip type vibration. Many times misdiagnosed as bad transmission. Torque converter change out and all is good.
Great video! I saw another TC video in which the mechanic pre-filled the TC before installing it, but that was on a Dodge pickup! Did I miss it in this video, or is it a different procedure for a Toyota? Thanks for the excellent and informative content.
Thnx. Never knew that a software problem could cause this. Many years ago, I stopped working on my cars because I broke a bolt and finally got it out. But it really scared me!
YES, much easier to pull the engine. It sounds counter intuitive but not having to remove the three mount mounts, axle shafts, messing with the sub frame saves a lot of time. Plus most newer cars have electric power steering which is one less thing to get in the way. And while the engine is out, much easier to do maintenance on it.
Just a fyi it’s a matter of preference, I work for Toyota and takes me 1.5-2hrs to do this job removing the trans.
@@ethanmurray6658 do you do it the easy way (the way amd did it) or the hard way
@@DylanL69 I pull the trans, it’s a matter of preference. Toyota pays 5.1hrs for this job including the reflash. Looks like this took amd about 8hrs total. The complete job takes me around 2.0hrs
When my 2013 RAV4 shutter became noticeable earlier this year (105K miles), I took it to the dealer who claimed it was "normal' (I have it in print) but they could replace the TC for closer to 3K at my expense. Aside from a huge mark-up on the kit and labor rate, they insisted I'd need another 4 wheel alignment, which they just did when I took it in! Never any mention of the software update needed to address the root cause. Perhaps they wanted to avoid the unpleasant discussion that would follow or being compared to VW for their software slight of hand. I'm coming to the conclusion that at least this dealership, in a rich suburb, makes the bulk of their money on service and repairs, not selling new cars. Not that they had any in the showroom - just newer used/off lease.
Your floor still looks new!! And thanks for sharing this repair.
What is the best way of finding out whether you have the old programming or the new one? Is it done with an OBD2 computer like an Intellitester? Which version is the "good" version?
It has to be done with the toyota exclusive tech 2 software if I'm not mistaken. So dealer or someone like AMD that specializes specifically with Toyotas.
I have a 2013 Camry SE that has this problem. I really, really wish that I was near your shop. I DIY most of my car repair issues, but this is beyond the scope of my abilities. I don't have a mechanic that I can trust to bill me fairly and do good work. I love this car, but it may be time to let it go.
I have a 2012 Camry that had this problem. I had a software update done early when I got the car, but around 140,000 miles the shuttering began. The torque converter was replaced under warranty.
When did you have the torque replaced? I’m at 134,000 and hoping for a miracle at the dealer tomorrow
@@elizabethr631 I believe the warranty is 8 years or a 140000 miles.
My Brother had this issue and was gave a choice from Toyota to flash the ECU and give it a new torque converter free or for $500 flash the ECU, new torque converter, and a Toyota replacement transmission. They also gave him a rental car free for the duration. He bought the car from a Toyota dealer as "certified pre-owned". He ended up getting the transmission as well since a new transmission for $500 bucks is a really good deal. I was really surprised when he told me that they offered a transmission for $500 because I thought they would only do the converter and flash the ECU. This was just three months ago that he had gotten this done, and he has had the car less than a year.
My dad and my brother both have the 2012 Camry with same problem. If you don’t address it will it go out eventually or is it just a nuisance and you can drive it forever?
In the video the kit has 4 new pan magnets to capture debris from the over stressed lock out clutch that lives in the TC. If you just drive it forever the AT may fail early rather than later due to the debris.
Super thank you for your well done comprehensive video 😅 Love it 😅
How much would you charge to do the update at your shop?
I went to my local dealer today and had it done. I think it was 86 dollars and change out the door. Just for the update. It may differ from location though
I grew up in the 60's driving manual trans cars, sometimes the clutch would shudder. In 87 I bought a Buick Grand National. At 6000 miles the rear end which was posi started shuddering. fixed the problem by replacing the fluid in the rearend. There are certain additives in the fluid that once they wear out the rearend would start shuddering because of the clutch plates. I was having to do this every 6000 miles. When I married my wife in 98 she had a 95 mustang with V6. At 85000 miles her transmission started shuddering. I changed out the fluid and filter with quality name fluid, since not all the fluid was changed out because only what's in the pan gets changed out. 5000 miles later the old fluid in the transmission contaminated the new fluid and it started shudderinmg again. I changed out the fluid and filter again. This solved the problem and had no matter problems with the transmission. The car was sold at 145,000 miles. I believe what is fixing the Toyota problem may not be the new converter but the new fluid put into the transmission. The reason why only these year models may be the supplier of the clutches in these particular transmissions once the additives in the fluid wear out the shuttering starts,
A bottle of lubeguard should fix it $5 😅
Just a bandaid my friend. Kinda like the stop leak stuff for the coolant.
@@mailmanjoe $5 better than $5000
I wish i lived in the usa. I wouldn't mind driving 3hrs to have my car problems taken care by you and your team.
Do you know how big the US is? Lmao
So how to update the software? You said that's the most important step but not explaining how to do it? lol
It’s an update download (flash) that is available though Toyota dealers.
@@benztech2262 tried but nothing appeared on my screen after plugging the flash drive
Thanks for giving us details on the cost of repairs? You make the best videos and helps me make better decisions when buying a car.👍😀
I feel sorry for the customer -- this is 100% Toyota's fault and the customer was was held responsible for a $2K bill. People rave about Toyota reliability, but tell that to the guy who had to pay $2K for a torque converter.
He should have had it repaired for free like toyota did for everyone instead of not reading the mail
@@12345.......BMW motorcycle division replaced a front cast wheel, after I hit a pot hole, flattening a section of the rim. Wasn't original owner, but a casting- serial # on over 10yr old rim match recall. While at dealer willing to order new rim, was notified immediately. NO CHARGE
@@12345.......they never sent me a notice so no F Toyota.
@@12345.......I’m the original owner of a 12 Camry & never received a notice. Now I’m having to pay for this out of pocket.
Literally pissed because this is about to be me. My first car is a 2014 Camry that I bought a month ago. Been feeling the shudder every now and then. When I finally checked the service history I saw that the former owner also had filed a complaint about the shudder and the issue was reported to be with the torque converter. I’m so pissed. Pray for me you guys.
This is one of the best Toyota channels on RUclips. The Bob Ross of car repairs 😂😂
In wish u were my neighborhood
If looking at a used car you can register the vin on Toyota Owners and see all service history/ warranty work done at any Toyota dealer. I got lucky and bought my 2012 SE Limited Edition (all were 2AR) in Dec 2020 with 81k and it’s now sitting at 169,000 miles with not a single issue since it was replaced/ updated at 34k under warranty/ service campaign.
All the dealer had to do was the software update on mine. 137000 miles and still running fine. It was a recall problem. Won't cost you a dime.
I drive exclusively for a living, Camry only. The company replaced 6 2012-14 converters under warranty. Surprisingly my current 2016 developed the same problem. After driving another 100K mi with shaking, we finally replaced the T Converter and all good naw @ 240K miles on odometer
The car surgeon! Absolutely amazing!
I just bought a 2013, 2 days ago, and its shuddering. 170k for mileage, but she is beautiful and absolutely zero issues. I paid $9grand, and I feel like this will be a worthy investment
Did you fix it? Take it to dealer? I’m taking my elderly/retired mothers car for this issue to be looked at tomorrow morning- hoping for the best
I took care
Of that recall way back when it first became a problem shifts smooth as butter next month she will be 10 years old still love ole silver as much as I did the day I got her.
Years ago I was looking for the most sporty Camry possible. I looked at a 2014 from Carmax, but they wanted to much money for it. Guess I lucked out on that. I didn't know how bad this shudder actually was until now. Looked at some 2015 to 2017 but many of these transmissions would shift badly in paddle mode, but did run well in full auto. The SE models also had a harsh ride. The 2015 had a bad steering rack. One salesman would not let me drive a 2015 until after he turned the wheel from side to side then said ok. I said no thanks. Drove some 2018+ cars even rented a 2022 but the transmissions all slipped and banged at low speeds. I think you bought the only good one that being the Hybrid. I did own a 2007 that was a oil burner. I thought that was fixed in 2010 and 2011 and had a good 5 speed transmission but I don't know. The 1996 was the best one. But Toyota decided best not to compete with Lexus and the Camry has been problematic ever since. Now it is a new world and I did like your video on the new Venza. If I was looking for a used Camry today it would be a 2017 LE and just leave it in auto and enjoy the soft ride.
great video content, thank you for telling us all the deep secrets of Toyota. Most shops would not do that.
My 1983 Subaru GL-10 had the lockup shudder from new. The shudder was awful and the dash was just a blur. Adjusting the car's speed, to unlock the converter, instantly remedied the immediate issue. Subaru couldn't replicate the issue because it didn't always happen and they refused to do anything. At least Toyota wasn't/isn't in denial.
Those camry sports edition (pre 2015) are beautiful and looks like it inspired the design of the current camrys that adopted the sporty look.
There's nothing sporty about them except the looks
I have a 2012 Camry LE. Thanks God, I have no problems with transmission. Software was updated at a dealership.
Just keep that fluid changed then! 👍
@@mailmanjoe Thanks! Changed at 100K km, next planning at 150K
Toyota is not perfect. But they replaced my 2012 Camry Torque Converter at 130,000 miles. I’ve seen American Big 3 tell customers to get lost with problems that were still under the original warranty! I’m thankful to Toyota for making it right and we only drive Toyota’s! Have 5 of them now…
Yes, my bought new 2014.5 Camry SE 2.5L developed I believe this torque converter problem at 138k miles and at low speed in lower gears feeling my body slightly lift forward at gear 1-2 and 2-3 changing. I figure selling in 2021 for $9500. was a better deal and get my 2019 Avalon Limited!
My Camry didn't shutter as described.