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@@gabmenchero3903keep fighting bro ignore bad comment that can depress u. Everyone can reach immortal by themselves just keep going practice and fighting
A lot of these examples you can see by the CS that the lane was already a complete stomp for the offlaner, and the pos 5 has just left the lane entirely. But what about when you don't have a level advantage and 5 is staying back to help the carry?
@@Paul-dh1rh many offlane heroes are defined by being strong early and bullying the enemy carry in lane, they are not expected to lose, often in high mmr the pos 3 players are the highest net worth heroes at 10 minutes
Your tips are valid for the situation where offlaner and carry are always 1v1 or 2v1 with your supports. How do you execute same thing when oppon3nt hard support babysit their carry for like for 10 minutes?
@@spiritualplayboy911 the video describes favorable situations to identify power spike abuse. In situations where these factors are not favorable, spam pull camps, push waves out, stack ancients, and farm repeatedly while calling for help from your teammate to push the lane down. If they come, proceed with the favorable conditions. If they don't, then just retreat and play for recovery (pull camps, clear wave under tower, jungle, stack ancients etc)
It's me again. I have nothing to say but thank you. I'm a 5k pos5 main and I want to switch to playing pos3 but even while playing pos5 i can see how these things are beneficial especially with the last example where WL gated to help push. Once again, thanks
@@nzhu41 if u don't get chances to push and will die doing it, then play for recovery (pull big camp, farm triangle, farm wave under tower). Repeat until team comes or fight breaks out to TP to
i can play with 15min as beastmaster with my helm and the upgrade version. However after clearing all lanes of the tower and stuff, the gameplay falls off, and got dragged and i lose always. Very annoying, able to guide what does offlane do after the lane domination and rax of first and second tier towers? push upcliff and force?
the goal is to win your lane, control the enemy jungle + safelane until you get to 20-25 min or so with +1 or 2 core items. then ping for rosh, group and push after rosh to attempt high ground.
@BalloonDota sir i read somewhere roshan has two rules #1 first roshan take objectives and tormentors. #2 roshan for upcliff . is this true? btw are you singaporean as well?
@@misterdd7239 hey bro I'm Malaysian. With any Rosh attempts, u would try to group and make plays, get kills outside their base until aegis about to expire then attempt high ground pushes. Tormentors and other objectives aren't really necessary as a strict rule unless u couldn't do high ground push and aegis expires
What would be the power spike play with a hero like dawnbreaker? Would ganking the other offlaner be a good idea since you can gank globally? Or should you just focus on your own lane?
If there are fights requiring your ult, definitely do so. Otherwise, dawn spikes at 5 and 7 with an insane boost to her hammer damage. Drop the enemy low with a few hammer throws then dive when they are low.
on paper, very nice tips, but in practice, while in low mmr ranks, the teammates just wnat to know about their lanes and kills, they never play as a team, which is quite frustating...
Good guide bro I'd suggest putting the self promotion somewhere in the middle of the video. People are likely to click off if you put it in the beginning
dotabuff will give you info on the average player (roughly archon) where Dota2 pro tracker will give you stat on the highest level of play > top 1%. Both can be relevant, but in general D2PT will be a better source of info. The cases where dotabuff is relevant are when looking at talent winrate. They might suggest the opposite talent of D2PT has a higher winrate and it's usually because the talent is much easier to execute at lower leve.
Tnx for the video but honestly this is not working on lower ranked games like 5k and above , because higher mmr dota pos5 enemy casually join mid for run control or de warding and u are 1vs1 againts enemy carry , in lower rank you have useless pos 4 leaching your xp without doing 0 damage or harass and leave u alone after feeding so u cant really comeback to game (depends on hero )
as this guy said, after destroying t1, you should control the entire jungle where the enemy carry would farm by farming the camps, putting vision (he feels unsafe in the lane since his tower is dead), and force him to go elsewhere to farm. basically you should be denying him farm, and depending on your hero, lineup, and game state, you should be able to group up, get items faster, and win fights much earlier (because u won lane and hit ur spike before enemy carry and he is weak because of it), and eventually win the game. you are buying your team space by slowing the enemy carry's farm
Both first 2 examples both have stomped lane and teammates who properly rotate to help. This doesn't teach me anything actionable. Back in the day when i climbed out of herald it was because i abused power spikes, this is really basic stuff. "Win lane and then abuse your lead" is great on paper but it doesn't teach much if people understand basics of how a gold lead works. I like your content usually but this video is a miss
Hey bro, this video is specifically targeted towards situations where you win lane. There are tons of fundamentals and mechanics to cover in lane that it's impossible to put it all into one video, so this video only touches on what to do when you are strong to abuse your lead. I have many videos all over my channel talking about power spikes and trading in lane etc, including another Offlane video covering the entire Offlane gameplan, do get these information from those videos ya
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Another offlane video. This really is a Xmas gift.
Thanks a lot balloon, for your work for the community.
Bro videos are crazy i will watch em all from now on :)
Great video! I've been watching you for the past two months. I was Guardian 4 two months ago, and now I’m Ancient 4. Great coaching!
Lol 😂
Lmao
@@RockerHound whats funny about it?
@@gabmenchero3903keep fighting bro ignore bad comment that can depress u. Everyone can reach immortal by themselves just keep going practice and fighting
Clear and solid examples of power spikes and initiatives, quality videos as always!
A lot of these examples you can see by the CS that the lane was already a complete stomp for the offlaner, and the pos 5 has just left the lane entirely. But what about when you don't have a level advantage and 5 is staying back to help the carry?
good point actually, pos 3 is expected to lose vs enemy safelane or just even at the least. no point in showcasing stomps
watch khezu vid on collapse comeback farm getting item power spike
@@Paul-dh1rh many offlane heroes are defined by being strong early and bullying the enemy carry in lane, they are not expected to lose, often in high mmr the pos 3 players are the highest net worth heroes at 10 minutes
No, safelaners are expected to lose early. Thats why its called lategame carry and no such thing as an early game carry. Only mid and lategame
@@eBilVastard1 lmao do u even play offlane? Try playing centaur vs ursa and having a dog shit pos 4. It mostly depend on the matchup
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Ok i go pos 5 CM
How is your content so much better than everyone elses
Thank you , theres really not that much Offlane videos
Your tips are valid for the situation where offlaner and carry are always 1v1 or 2v1 with your supports. How do you execute same thing when oppon3nt hard support babysit their carry for like for 10 minutes?
@@spiritualplayboy911 the video describes favorable situations to identify power spike abuse. In situations where these factors are not favorable, spam pull camps, push waves out, stack ancients, and farm repeatedly while calling for help from your teammate to push the lane down. If they come, proceed with the favorable conditions. If they don't, then just retreat and play for recovery (pull camps, clear wave under tower, jungle, stack ancients etc)
Seriously great video, bro. You've helped me so much.
Offlane player here, too. More please xd
thanks bro, will try to think about more offlane videos to make
It's me again. I have nothing to say but thank you. I'm a 5k pos5 main and I want to switch to playing pos3 but even while playing pos5 i can see how these things are beneficial especially with the last example where WL gated to help push. Once again, thanks
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Great hope more videos for offlane
one thing i have seen is the pro offlaners normally have an observer ward at the bottom radiant jungle
In situations where the team does not properly play around your power spike what should you do as the offlaner
@@nzhu41 if u don't get chances to push and will die doing it, then play for recovery (pull big camp, farm triangle, farm wave under tower). Repeat until team comes or fight breaks out to TP to
@BalloonDota thank you! I've been enjoying the mid content, excited to see the offlane stuff and other roles!
can you do a video on what to do when losing as a offlaner?
hi, i have made a section about it in my other Offlane video, do check it out. It's the Immortal Offlane video.
@@BalloonDota how do i identify that i am losing the lane? cause sometimes, when i realized it, it's already too late to start recovering
@@thephanguy when you cannot kill the enemy safelane and pos 5 once you hit lvl 6-7 area, game becomes like 10+ mins normally and your pos 4 leaves
i can play with 15min as beastmaster with my helm and the upgrade version. However after clearing all lanes of the tower and stuff, the gameplay falls off, and got dragged and i lose always. Very annoying, able to guide what does offlane do after the lane domination and rax of first and second tier towers? push upcliff and force?
the goal is to win your lane, control the enemy jungle + safelane until you get to 20-25 min or so with +1 or 2 core items. then ping for rosh, group and push after rosh to attempt high ground.
@BalloonDota sir i read somewhere roshan has two rules #1 first roshan take objectives and tormentors. #2 roshan for upcliff . is this true? btw are you singaporean as well?
@@misterdd7239 hey bro I'm Malaysian. With any Rosh attempts, u would try to group and make plays, get kills outside their base until aegis about to expire then attempt high ground pushes. Tormentors and other objectives aren't really necessary as a strict rule unless u couldn't do high ground push and aegis expires
What would be the power spike play with a hero like dawnbreaker? Would ganking the other offlaner be a good idea since you can gank globally? Or should you just focus on your own lane?
If there are fights requiring your ult, definitely do so. Otherwise, dawn spikes at 5 and 7 with an insane boost to her hammer damage. Drop the enemy low with a few hammer throws then dive when they are low.
Make more content about offlane too please~
will be in works, thanks!
Good content
on paper, very nice tips, but in practice, while in low mmr ranks, the teammates just wnat to know about their lanes and kills, they never play as a team, which is quite frustating...
Good guide bro I'd suggest putting the self promotion somewhere in the middle of the video. People are likely to click off if you put it in the beginning
thanks for the feedback bro, have implemented the advice
Is dotabuff or dota2protracker better? and why? i noticed the statistics from both are entirely different.
dotabuff will give you info on the average player (roughly archon) where Dota2 pro tracker will give you stat on the highest level of play > top 1%.
Both can be relevant, but in general D2PT will be a better source of info.
The cases where dotabuff is relevant are when looking at talent winrate. They might suggest the opposite talent of D2PT has a higher winrate and it's usually because the talent is much easier to execute at lower leve.
@@emmanuelwilliamquinton9152 damnnn that's informative my friend. thanks!
Hey balloon, can you make a video of how to recover from a bad offlane.
hey bro, there's a section about it in my Advanced Offlane guide that covers that area, check it out ya
So basically, if you want to climb, get friends :D
Tnx for the video but honestly this is not working on lower ranked games like 5k and above , because higher mmr dota pos5 enemy casually join mid for run control or de warding and u are 1vs1 againts enemy carry , in lower rank you have useless pos 4 leaching your xp without doing 0 damage or harass and leave u alone after feeding so u cant really comeback to game (depends on hero )
True 😂
That's why you need a party to communicate with.
@@jamesabonales8297lmao no. This proves ur individual skill to win. Do u often see higher mmr pt?
What to do once the t1 tower is down? the carry seems to get more free farm around t2 tower.
as this guy said, after destroying t1, you should control the entire jungle where the enemy carry would farm by farming the camps, putting vision (he feels unsafe in the lane since his tower is dead), and force him to go elsewhere to farm. basically you should be denying him farm, and depending on your hero, lineup, and game state, you should be able to group up, get items faster, and win fights much earlier (because u won lane and hit ur spike before enemy carry and he is weak because of it), and eventually win the game. you are buying your team space by slowing the enemy carry's farm
@@keishacutie3746 Thank you good sir!
nice bro
Both first 2 examples both have stomped lane and teammates who properly rotate to help. This doesn't teach me anything actionable. Back in the day when i climbed out of herald it was because i abused power spikes, this is really basic stuff. "Win lane and then abuse your lead" is great on paper but it doesn't teach much if people understand basics of how a gold lead works. I like your content usually but this video is a miss
Hey bro, this video is specifically targeted towards situations where you win lane. There are tons of fundamentals and mechanics to cover in lane that it's impossible to put it all into one video, so this video only touches on what to do when you are strong to abuse your lead. I have many videos all over my channel talking about power spikes and trading in lane etc, including another Offlane video covering the entire Offlane gameplan, do get these information from those videos ya