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No one with a knowledge of how slavery persisted into the 20th century in the United States (read the Emancipation of Robert Sadler) Churchill's terror famine in India or the FACT that Truman PROLONGED the war so that he could show off his atomic bombs by destroying two cities (one of the being the center of Christianity in Japan btw) could argue that the Soviet Union was uniquely evil even in comparison to the American and British Empires much less in comparison to the German empire which was the actual enemy of the Soviet Union during the darkest period in its history. If you think that, you are either ignorant or very good at compartmentalizing.
@metatronyt it's certainly funny how she skips totally to mention Holodomor under "how many people died under Stalin" question Only with that, we are talking about several millions. History of everything did a video about that: ruclips.net/video/rRpSJpHaIpY/видео.htmlsi=KykLDEHM_EQ0kO4h
Just a small advice: either bother yourself to learn the actual history of the country you're slandering or don't pretend to be the all-knowing truth teller. You get so offended by people slandering the western countries - but are not above doing it yourself. I, personally, don't care how you feel about the USSR, Russia, or whatever, but 99% of the western sources on the topic are propaganda lies, recycled for political purposes. Do your research - and do better.
She's burying the lede with that comment too. Communism was the END goal, socialism was the process by which you got there. They weren't "communists" only in the most technical ideological sense. In EVERY other way, they were communists. THEY would disagree with her.
@@danlorett2184 They, at least in their own mind, were communists but the Soviet Union itself never was because they never got there. Communism is the utopia thats used to justify all the evil of Socialism, which really is the evil part of that ideology not the communism, until the leaders eventually all step down and give the power to the people, which of course is never going to happen.
The party in both USSR and Warsaw Pact countries didn't 'offer' employment, employment was mandatory for everyone who wasn't attending school, retired, or officially declared physically or mentally unable to work. The crime of not working was called 'parasitism' and the punishment was imprisonment coupled with heavy physical labour.
And a great channel about the USSR called the Ushanka Show mentions that you couldn't just change jobs either- that is you couldn't move up or to something particularly different either. You were basically stuck for life as whatever you started as.
@@mattl3729 Its not like you couldn't, but you had to be educated to get most jobs. And all education was free, read - government pays for it. And government is not going to pay for another one just because you don't feel like working on your current job. So once you got your education, you are stuck with jobs it allows.
@@mattl3729 its a lot of bs coming from ya. If you got the education OR experience you can change field. But a fucking peasant joe with no diploma would not be given the right to lead a police squad or enter teaching without some form of diploma or experience backing him. Simple factory jobs you could change if the factory head was fine with it along the current employer
Socialism is collective ownership of the means of production. Your time is a means of production. It follows that under Socialism the collective (state) owns your time (you).
I mean, that doesn't sound like a bad thing though? like isn't our proud American value that if you don't work you should die? isn't that what we preach and practice over here? in what world do you think the average person in the capitalist's world who isn't listed as attending school, retired, or officially declared physically or mentally unable to work is allowed to live? hell, we even demand disable people to "prove their worth" by shaming supposed "welfare queen". oh wait we do have those people those wealth rich pigs who leach off other like landlords or shareholders and big business owners
@@exantiuse497 Sure it is. It's not about the word "Soviet". The same people will happily claim that the prior results of their politics were actually consequences of entirelt different politics.
@@pqlr8763She concealed her extreme bias well with tepid vocabulary and diplomatically neutral language to indoctrinate uneducated people into thinking the USSR was somehow a good place to live. Millions died. She is extremely biased.
Yeah, it disgusts me how that's okay but having a NS flag would outrage everybody and their dog, despite the USSR having been SO much worse, and having been our enemy for 40 years, not just 5. It shows you just how backwards things are.
I'm from a former soviet country. There are 2 kinds of people from the soviet times. Ones who had everything taken, and ones who had everything given. She gives the history of the 2nd group.
Well as far as people going to old USSR towns (here on RUclips), most old people living there were given everything then because they all say it was better under USSR management.
There are 2 kinds of people from the old South. Ones who had their slaves taken, and ones who were given their freedom. Guess what group you're a part of?
@@beardedlonewolf7695Only if you were asking in specifically Russian towns. Most of the towns from the rest of the USSR are glad to no longer be under the Russian thumb. Not that Putin isn't trying to maintain that system in all but name.
"According to the Gulag's own records, at least 3.7 million exiles and prisoners died from 1929-53:" Survival, illness, and death - Alan Barenberg. Oxford Academics
I agree with the high numbers (even though we actually don't know how many because of shitton of reasons), but don't quote someone who hasn't even visited actual archives 😕
"Yes, many jews perished in Adolf's wonderful summer camps, but it's a common misconception that everyone who was in those camps died. In fact, if you consider how many did not die, the camps weren't that bad, and in fact, produced a wealth of activity and unity to the Germanic peoples." - This crazy B
And the Western media use even more euphemistic language about the thousands of children lying dead in Gaza today... yaay, we are so much better' then the evil USSR!
I've noticed a lot of people on RUclips saying "perished" or similar words/phrases instead of "died." Either it's a new trend, or because "dead" and "died" trigger RUclips, like "suicide" and "Hitler" do.
A historian answering questions the way a historian answers questions, without assigning any morality. Just answering the fucking question, and you people lose it. You think history is a narrative. You don't understand the historical process
The video has been hidden. It still turns up if you specifically search for it but now ALL the comments have been removed. Bad form, History Hit. Very bad form.
Please note, that when she says the Crimean tatars "got displaced in 1944", this was by the soviets, not the Germans. In 1944 soviets recaptured Crimea, and immediately the tatars "got displaced". She tried to link it with the jews getting wiped out by the Germans. She really is sneaky.
Surprised that did not happened to them during Russian Empire, after all their economy was basically build on raids and slave trade. Could not have happened to nicer people ...
@@stanleyrogouski Displaced is far too mild a word. FAR too mild. It also wasn't the first time. There was a sizeable German population in western and southern Ukraine- people invited in by Catherine the Great- who were rounded up and moved to the far East when WWI started. Hundreds of thousands of people. A Ukrainian group did a fascinating and sad documentary about it a year or two ago. Stalin did the same at the start of WWII. And let's not forget all those who wanted to be free of the Soviet yoke and fought against them during WWII- and were turned over by the Allies to be deported or just murdered by Stalin. The USSR was the real evil of the 20th century by orders of magnitude- make no mistake. But that's impolitic to accept.
Of course, because there's no hard number, it's like asking me how many children and women the US has murdered in the dozens of wars it has caused and dozens of coups d'etat, I don't know but that doesn't mean I'm covering up those murders.
There is no number, just a few different estimations. 3.000.000 up to 24.000.000 are the most common numbers, some say up to 60.000.000 but thats way over the top if you analyse the populations of the countries.
Never even once did she mention how Gulags were a place to punish ideological dissidents and academics who wouldn't fall in line. Just "prisons" to "keep people away" and "punish them". After all, only "criminals" went there, right? The entire video was hideously apologetic to one of the most cruel regimes in the last century. If I, as a German, made a video like that for Nazi Germany, I'd have to worry about going to prison over it.
Putin apologists in west today are doing the same thing as this lady historian,talking about how poor Russia needed to defend themselves against west in Ukraine and how west is equaly bad as Putin,Xi and other genocidial dictatorships.
If you had a Nazi flag and a statue of Hitler you'd also be charged with a crime. Which is why it always cracks me up when people say places like Germany or England have "free speech." No. ONLY the United States does. You praise the Nazis in Germany thats illegal. That's not free speech. A women just got arrested in England for literal thought crime. She admitted to praying in front of an abortion clinic. Arrested. Literal thought crime. No hyperbole. England has thought crime laws now. But the English will tell you they have free speech. Maybe we disagree on the definition of the term?
If you check some people who was in gulag, what they say, or do in the past, they was not "good" person. And there no "random" people who just bring in gulag "for fun". Are you really think that KGB in old times was stupid and don't know what their do?) There is no way you just be a worker on a factory and be in gulag. Thats why many people in russia love stalin. As a belarussian (previous part of USSR), it's always fun to hear about bad USSR, when black people in USA was a 2 sort people for example)).
@@def3ndr887that reminds me of the Armenian election where the news sites reported the dictator was elected again….. a few days before the election even started
Just imagine the Orwellian lectures explaining how 6M Palestinians woke up one day and realized they were unfortunate enough to have been born on land the British Monarchy was paid to give to someone else in the early 1900's and then sent ships full of people and guns to round up those 6M into leisure camps to sort of rest and recuperate for 70yrs while some magically disappear never to be seen or heard of again. The Severance procedure will be administered to both citizens and military who are on the front lines manning the 'Waste Management' infrastructure to keep the streets clean and the lights on while everyone has smiles for the cameras on every corner - all to keep the free flow of those dwindling 6M out of the headlines so the condos can be built atop the blood soaked fields and desecrated cemeteries.
Indeed. That's how past and current propaganda is spread. Unfortunately, history is usually not truth- from way back. It's what those who paid the writers wanted them to say, what forces control institutions, or just suppress dissent by sticking the word 'denier' or 'anti' on. I love the idea that truth has nothing to fear from scrutiny- and we should always be extremely suspicious of what we're not allowed to investigate, or discuss, or question; because if you can't question something, it means someone has something to hide.
As someone from a former Soviet country - this was disgusting. But I also want to answer your question about "who were they who liked the West?" It's ordinary people. 'Western' often was the synonim to 'of a very high quality', 'worth attention', 'worth buying' if we are talking about the goods. And also people went out of their way to get access to Western culture, especially music. But unfortunately she did not specify that and I suspect - it was on purpose
And also it was banned and you could get in trouble for praising it. I remember secretly recording music tapes and pirating them everywhere to people to listen. Or that fashion on "boiled Jeans" to look cool like in Western movies. Also, lets not forget that tampons/pads/diapers were not a thing in USSR even in 1990.
@@ZS-rw4qq Sure. Cause homelessness was itself was a felony in the USSR. If you were homeless, you had two options: jail or a mental institution. And the latter was arguably worse. In addition to that, yes, freedom and opportunities also create the possibility of failure. Freedom always also creates more risks in life, cause you and only you are made responsible for yourself. Not a very steep price to pay if you ask me. There were especially many homeless in the 90s, cause to many the concept of competition and working for quality over quantity were alien after 70 years under a totalitarian rule where everything was decided for you.
A woman stands in line for hours, when she gets to the head of the line, she asks the clerk, "do you have any bread"? The clerk answers "No, lady, this is the store with no meat, the store with no bread is across the street"......Welcome to the USSR.
*A woman walks into a store and asks the clerk "You don't have any meat, do you?" The clerk answers "We don't have any fish, the store that doesn't have any meat is down the street." It's already understood that the store doesn't have any bread since the bread line is at the bakery - where they don't have any idea. You butchered that one.
This isn’t the work of a historian, but rather an activist posing as one-quite Soviet, don’t you think? Her downplaying of the operation’s death toll by suggesting the numbers were "small" and claiming there’s "a lot of debate" is utterly disturbing. As a German, I find it appalling. Consider the question, "Was the Soviet Union poor?" A glance at almost any data-whether income levels, infrastructure, or social systems-reveals the profound and lasting impact of the USSR on East Germany. Even today, the disparities are visible in modern statistics across the map.
I'm guessing she ended up in England when her family, as part of the Party, had to flee when the USSR fell. Just my assertion by how much she defends it.
@@paulie9483She doesn't speak like someone from England, nor in Received Pronunciation. I'd wager she arrived here later in her life, after childhood.
Ironic, cause Russia was massively anti-communist until literally last year. And only stopped talking cap about USSR, because they needed to build up relationship with China real quick.
@@dankovskimark4540 They are anti-communist. They are very conservative and pro-Russian values and history and speak positively of Tsarist Russia which communists would never do. They just miss the power and influence Russia had during the USSR. So it's kinda weird how they combine traditional values with communist propaganda. But at its core it's pro-Russian nationalism. Even China isn't really communist anymore. They know it doesn't work. They just like the power and control. They are authoritarian.
21:45 as woman who lived during USSR - I must remind you that there were no diapers for kids and no pads or tampons - or any other hygiene/comfort products like that. Even toilet paper was not a mass thing until late 70s and even then it was not everywhere but mainly in big cities, while everywhere it appeared only after mid 1980s - so near the death of USSR and when western products started slowly spilling into USSR.
Luckily I was born after this but my mother certainly remembers having to substitute toilet paper in communist Czechoslovakia with newspaper. Not very fun.
God bless you miss. People here in America are losing their minds in favor of Communism. 3rd Wave Feminist claim Communism/Socialism can protect their bodies, they are severely Delusional. People like can save America and this statement here is Dropping Reality on their Heads like Anvils. God[YHWH] Bless you Miss, Where ever you Are.
@wladdragwlya wrong, it was horrid for political opposition and Christians. Churches and private property were seized and taken. A majority of Gulag slaves were priests and monks.
Reading all of the pro-soviet and pro-USSR comments bring to mind the expression "It is easier to fool a man than it is to convince a man that he's been fooled."
- So, Stalin brought Soviet Russia from dust-poor, back water country to the second powerhouse. The first country that ever sent humans into space. - Is that not an omelet?
As soon as she used the no true Scotsman fallacy on the soviet union a million alarms went off in my head. This "Historian" has more red flags than the Kremlin in the 80s
It's funny. I can see the results of *attempting* large-scale communism. When people suggest we try communism I don't really care whether "real" communism was achieved in those cases; I care about what happened when people tried it.
@@boad8270 You might as well just say Communism is Utopia. Because you'll never be satisfied when the people who want it fail over and over again, meanwhile causing mass suffering.
If you wonder why Americans don't understand Communism, not having lived through it is a factor, but the real delusional stuff comes from propagandists embedded in our schools and universities. McCarthy and Stripling were absolutely right, and they didn't go far enough.
"The goal of socialism is communism." -Lenin All the policies done by the Soviet Union were by design whether progressive apologists would admit it or not.
My great grandfather was sent to a gulag in Siberia from Hungary. He came back with many missing fingers and toes (frostbite) years later. He was lucky. Had to leave his daughter and wife alone, and they suffered. Once he came back, he turned to alcohol after the horrors he's seen, and they continued to suffer.
I knew a Hungarian guy once who would always talk about the 'F&CKING Communtists' any time he had to mention them. I can only imagine how rotten it must have been to live under the USSR's boot.
@@Colki12 Yeah, the idea that 1.5 million people died in the Gulag is just ludicrous given how few Germans came back after the millions who surrendered at the end of the war in the east. Or maybe this 'professor' only meant Soviet citizens. Soviet citizens sent to Gulag between 1932 and 1934. She seems to like weird specifics.
My grandfather was also sent to Gulag. He survived too. When he arrived back to Hungary, my grandma took him in her arms to help him getting off the train. He weighed only 36 kg (79.3 pounds)...
@@mattl3729 Yeah we do. Unfortunately, today Hungary seems to wink a lot towards communism because people have let time cover up the wounds so much that they've forgot. Even my grandmother, who was the daughter in the story speaks about communism and socialism as "the good old times" and specifically blames Stalin & Lenin personally with the pain they've caused. It is the system and almost all people who led it.
People: "Did communism cause a mass famine?" This professor: "It depends on what you mean by famine? Yes, there were some people that went hungry, as they do in all countries, however under communism their inability to eat did not contribute to their deaths. It was mostly due to malnutrition of the farmers not growing a diverse range of food."
Standard genocide apologist masquerading as an academic. The only moment she expressed any sort of sadness was when explaining when the USSR ended. Wild lol.
I mean at least she talks about it. It is worse to keep quite about such things, for example we got genocide of Poles in Western Ukraine, starvation of Indians and Germans by the Brits, British concentration camps in South Africa, Austrian concentration camps for Ukrainians. . How about Kongo? yeah...
@ajaysidhu471 Ukrainians, Polish, Jews, "academics", priests, "capitalists", mentally handicapped were all ethnically eradicated from regions. Many other populations were forcefully moved westward after ww2. Also, the sexual exploitation of the female population in occupied nations.
@@ajaysidhu471 they could be referring to any of them. Russia's history of genocide, displacement, repression, etc. is pretty well documented for every group that isn't considered slavic. If you want a specific group to look into the Buryat are one such group.
“One can argue that they offered employment to every Soviet citizen…” I mean sure, one could argue that, but it’d be a really ignorant argument. Especially considering the famous Soviet phrase, “the administration pretends to pay us, so we pretend to work.” Am I really “employed” if I’m not being compensated for my work? So you’re saying that the Soviets invented the concept of “paying you with exposure”? The problem is that the exposure was to harsh conditions, famine, starvation, & the punishing, unforgiving climate.
Well, can't say about SSSR, but the way it worked here during communism was similar in some ways. During the heyday it was easy to get a job and very hard to get fired so most places were overstaffed and people were hardly dying of overwork. The pay wasn't much but there were all kinds of side benefits provided by the state that you could get, so you could make a decent living in the end. An example of the benefits was free housing distributed by wait list or raffle, most larger companies owning a seaside resort so the employees and their families could go there on vacation for free, zero interest loans for a house or car, free education and so on. Crime was also at an all time low because there weren't enough enemies of the state to go around, so you had to have the police catch real criminals so they don't go fat and lazy, even though donuts weren't really a thing. But yeah, the big issue was obvious, advancing at work was hard and the pay was similar for everyone so there was just no incentive to put in real effort, the whole thing was pretty much riding on foreign loans and those who had true enthusiasm for the ideology. As both of those driving forces started going dry (also helped by usual post-war baby boom), the cracks in the system started showing, accelerating the slowly brewing internal instability which ended the whole experiment. As a bonus story, I worked in one of the few remaining state-owned company some 15 years ago and you'd be surprised at how preserved the mentality was, there were people putting in the work and the rest was just coasting along. It was normal to catch a snooze at work, hit the bottle, or go elsewhere to run errands (by company car no less), get to your workplace an hour late or vanish an hour or two before the end. If you ask me how is it working at all, I can only say it's a lot harder for essential services to go under than for everything else.
This is not a "real" phrase. It was originated in the West and was spread through english and geraman languages where it does sound good. Translating it into russian makes it super awkward and the first russian mansions of this phrase date to early 1990s. The issue of pay was never present in the USSR, unlike the capitalistic countries. The issue was in availability of goods and services, not the amount of money.
The famines stopped after the 1940s. After that, the issues of mandatory employment and lack of consumer goods remained, but the lower class worker *was* materially better of then in the West, at certain periods. Of course, that alone does not make the USSR good or excuse their other crimes, it should only make the Western countries question how they treat people below the middle class.
It was quite a sensationalist symbol, but reality was more complex than that. There was actually quite a lot of people who migrated from other countries TO the Soviet Union and other Warsaw pact nations, like, precisely, East Germany. But, I know how it is. Many people think the World is just U.S.A., Germany, France and UK.
“We” debate that wall because of the number of refugees fleeing their country capitalists exploited and stripped of all its resources after toppling their democratically elected leaders.
She probably waxed nostalgia and got too emotional for her own good. I'll quote Call of Duty: "Anyone who doesn't regret the passing of the Soviet Union has no heart. Anyone who wants it restored has no brains." She was definitely thinking of the former rather than the latter, but she was associating the socialism she experienced WITH the Stalin Era, which is WILD. The Stalin Era was a totalitarian dictatorship. He also was very evil, without a doubt. It may not be academic to say that, but prove me wrong. Also, I know the quote I mentioned above was said by Tsar Nicholas II. Lol jk- it was Putin. Every Millennial still quotes those loading screens.
I remember this RUclipsr named the fat electrician had a perfect comeback to the people who say “ that wasn’t true communism” Communism is like a recipe for a cake and each time they use that recipe the cake gets ruined.
@@-Zevin- There's an actual easy answer for that, all of that "growth" is just becaus ethe money and property they "expropiate" from people, once they run out of that the economy thanks like crazy,
It's never "real Communism" because Socialism always fails to transition into Communism. It's a fundamentally broken ideology that needs to be abandoned.
hate communism like the next person but this statement isn't 100% untrue. Most if not all communism countries didn't even follow their own ideologies and the bad things were mostly because of bad leadership and horrible oppression.
The USSR did, as a matter of fact, go out of their way to offer employment to everyone. From around 1961 to 1991 being unemployed for a prolonged period was considered "social parasitism" could land you in Gulag or jail (having a private enterprise and living off the profits it generated was also considered social parasitism and bore the same consequences). That was one of the reasons Soviet economy was so inefficient. Hundreds of thousands if not millions of people were doing jobs or labor that wasn't necessary or even completely redundant and they all got their wages. But the wages most of them got were small, so yeah, they were poor. My great grandma, at that point a retired kolkhoz worker, had an old age pension of ~6 rubles in late 70s and early 80s. This was enough to buy food for 3-5 days worth of food if you bought the cheapest stuff. Edit: "the lack of issues amongst etno-national groups" got a good chuckle out of me. That's just utter garbage.
Yeah, the ethno-national issues were the exact thing, in the form of "national movement" started in Baltic states and spread around USSR that was essential in bringing the Behemoth down. It was wild of her to claim that.
You'd be (unpleasantly) surprised by how unknown till now the ethnic tensions (and repression, displacement and cleansing) in the USSR were among people who weren't history experts, even if they were contemporary to the USSR's existence and end. Of course, in my country, we have the only Stalinist Communist Party in the world except N. Korea, and they have a certain.....hold on academia and intellectual culture both, to put mildly. But I've noticed it in other Western countries as well.
""the lack of issues amongst etno-national groups" If I remember my history right, Stalin in the 20's and 30's exterminated some minorities to the point of killing over 90% of the members because he figured they were issues. I guess arguably a "Lack of issues" could be a euphemism for genocide in her defense!
One more Soviet joke: two prisoners talking in a labor camp. "How long is your sentence? " "Two years." "What did you do?" "I didn´t do nothing..." "Don´t lie! ´Nothing´ gets you only one year!"
I love this joke among Soviet people the most: "- What is capitalism? - It is when one person exploits another! - And what is communism? - It is when other way around!"
Actually the shortest sentence were 3 and 5 years. That's when you were lucky. Most ranged from 10 to 25... Also keep in mind sentences could be extended while you were prisoners. And once "freed" you'd actually be forced to live in desertic areas with the choice of either letting everyone exploit you for peanuts or starve to death. For years.
@@benjaminthibieroz4155just not true. Everything depended on your sentence your camp and when you served. Plenty of people got released and we're allowed to return to their families.
31:30 Doesn't at all surprise me that she "forgot" to mention that the Baltic states being "a part" of the USSR is to this day viewed as little more than foreign occupation.
They were a part of the Russian Empire. So was a chunk of Poland and so was Finland. I tend to view the Soviets as thinking they are retaking rebellious territories. No doubt the locals thought very differently since nationalism had been brewing in minority populations since tsarist times. They wanted to defend their new countries and did so very well at the beginning.
There was _a lot_ that Metratron actually let slide without comment. The aforementioned fact that the Baltics were free for the entire period between the wars and therefore have always had a somewhat different view of their membership in the Union. (Likewise the end date of the USSR itself.) More significantly: She reminds us that the Czar had a political prison system and presents the Gulags as a continuation of that culture. Not an unimportant thing to mention, but it should _never_ be mentioned without emphasizing that the scale and brutality of the two systems was utterly incomparable. History should better remember the (rare) leftists of impeccable belief and credentials who had the internal and external courage to say that the USSR was _worse_ than the Czar--at a time when the _New York Times_ for example was full of lies and apologies. Then her entire talk about "convincing" people to participate in the Soviet project. Then her mentioning all the component peoples of the USSR with just an emphasis on its wonderful diversity, without a word of the fates that many of them (mentioned and unmentioned) faced. (Although Metatron does mention Stalin's attitudes elsewhere.) Not crazy about the description of the German Soviet war or the "nylon curtain" or the housing or some other stuff where she's obviously trying to put some spin on it where Metatron has often elsewhere (including in this video) called out far more subtle spin games being played by historians with agendas.
@@danielallan8061 Estonia has been invaded and occupied by Danes, Germans, Swedish and Russians. Are you saying that all of them have claim to our home now because their pieces of shait ancestors forced their way in? Why bring it up as a response to "Baltics still see it as invasion/occupation," unless you're trying to be an apologist? Also parts of russia used to belong to Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth, should they give those back as well. Why bring this garbage putinite argument of "historically we ruled there at some point" up, unless you're trying to make some kind of a garbage statemen?
@@danielallan8061 So India wasn't occupied by foreign invaders because India was part of the British Empire? Or could it be that the Russian Empire were also foreign occupiers of those places? Your take is insanely bad, and you should feel bad for thinking that way.
Perhaps an obvious question, but I assume the choice of him saying "The Austrian Painter" instead of the actual name is a case of RUclips tracking mentioned words and not prioritizing videos that have "banned" ones? Similar to during the Pandemic.
Yes. There is also an N-word. Known as "the second N-word", describing a certain breed of German Socialists of mid-20th century. YT provides us with a wonderful little sample of the USSR life where you can't say some things.
I only wish there hadn't been one as now I REALLY can't go out and express my true feelings at those who deserve it LOL History Hit and this 'professor' deserve scorn.
Being Polish, it's absolutely shocking and disgraceful how she interpret history. And her having a soviet flag along of little statue of Lenin on her desk is disgusting!!! These are not fun gadgets.
22:15 - everything she says from this point on is completely insane - she is 100% a soviet apologist. We're getting into 'My grandmother told me Cleopatra was black' territory. And this person is a PROFESSOR?
Obviously you don't know how history works. If a historian on World War is asked the question: "Were the Nazis White Supremacists?" And the historian answers "Yes, the Nazis believed that Whites were superior to Jews, Blacks, Roma, Slavs and other ethnicities and races," it seems Metatron and his comments section are going to go "OMG, this professor is insane and a Nazi!" One does not have to believe in an ideology to tell you that it is what THEY believed. It is absolutely true that that is what THEY believed, and it can be cited chapter and verse, which is what actual historians do as opposed to RUclips streams who likely have never actually picked up a history book.
@@AdanALW Right, because that statue of Lenin and the commie flag was definitely planted there by AI, and not a deliberate choice of this woman. And planty of us, here in this comment section had the misfortune to live through this sick system (me included) or live in the aftermath, so we know she is lying and putting a typical commie propaganda. No books needed and we are tired of idiots saying socialism is not so bad, and trying to excuse all the lies.
@@AdanALW But the Nazis weren't even "White" supremacist in the way we use "White supremacism" today. Slavs, Jews and even Roma are classified as "White" according to American views on race. They deplored them too, while propping up the Japanese as "Eastern Aryans", the Finns and Hungarians as "Uralic Aryans" despite having varying views on Hungarians. Hell, they even acknowledged Iranians as "Proto-Aryans" and held them in high regard despite modern views on race classifying them as "Brown". If they were unequivocally "White supremacists", they would hold the view that all Whites are superior to everyone else, which they did not - they were a lot more particular than your generic White supremacist. Your example is wrong since it doesn't even represent reality. Second: that's not what the issue was with the video. She outright equivocated the Stalinist regime with all Western nations, despite the UK and France pulling strings and waging wars to free slaves in Africa - a very noble pursuit - while Russia was too busy butchering the Circassians at the time. Morality is a fickle thing, sure, but's it's very clear that the western part of the world was nowhere near as monstrous as the USSR.
@30:12 : "it took many years to convince locals to be part of this new state" -- That's, like, the weirdest description of the Holodomor that I've ever heard.
Holodomor never existed, It was something invented by the nazis to stir the nationalist sentiment under soviet lands...Sorry not nazis...Heros of the nation of Ukraine.
I dont think she is describing Hladomor with this one. She describes how soviets attacked and subjugated weaker countries around them. It takes a while until you murder enough people to make others obey.
My great-grandfather died in Gulag after USSR occupation of Lithuania, he was an officer, his wife died from hunger to feed her 2 children, 1 boy and daughter they had to survive in the harshest Siberian climate, but in the end they returned to their homeland.
That's horrible. At least they were able to leave and go back to their homeland eventually. But unfortunately there are probably millions of other families with similar stories, who I guess this lady just seems to ignore, or try to excuse as if they didn't happen
@@lucassmith1886There are not probably millions of other families with similar stories that you seem to ignore or try to excuse as if they didn't happen. History of black American families who lost an ancestor to slavery. History of families in the US colonies who lost an ancestor to colonial rule. History of families in colonial plantations who lost an ancestor due to the harsh living and working conditions. History of families who lost an ancestor in industrial capitalist Europe that granted no rights to workers. History of families who lost an ancestor during one of the many capitalist wars.
@@Maximilien1794 Who was talking about any of these? Whataboutism isn't an argument. Plus it's accepted that all you said happened, even if records don't survive, by sheer historical context. So you have no argument to dispute the numbers of lost victims to the gulags either. There are multiple survivor testimonies and they deserve the same respect as the other historical victims. Plus why stop there? Black Americans, industrial workers....we know. Give some recognition to other unknown ones too. Millions of Armenians, Assyrians, Greeks the Turks genocided. Millions of Chinese who starved to death and we're murdered during the Great Leap Forward. Thousands of homosexuals in concentration camps. Millions under Ottoman occupation. Millions during both the Transatlantic and the Transaharan slave trade. Millions histories lost due to the Barbary slave traders. Millions under the Khmer Rouge. Who knows how many Oceania n Aborigines. And of course, many millions of Jews.
No she isn't metatron and you all are just extremely ignorant about the USSR and eat up Eastern Euro revanchist mythmaking designed to forge a nationalist identity post-USSR which was done on the back of the double genocide myth and whitewashing Nationalist actions during the 1930s-40s (hence why Eastern Europe today loves it's Nazi collaborators and SS volunteers like the Forest brothers and OUN) and largely debunked cold war history with metatron literally spouting nonsense from The Black Book of Communism. The opening of the Soviet archives and modern Soviet historiography is largely in line with what she is saying. Also Western biases are playing here where Westerners completely ignore what the west was doing at the same time to colonial subjects in the global south. Gulags are actually a great example, statistically, they were nothing like what they are presented in the West, they were not death camps, most people in them were criminals, their population was high but mostly for short periods, lower imprisonment than the US today and they frankly look like summer camps compared to the actual colonial borderline death camps run by the West, in particular France had some real nasty ones the last that was shut in the 1970s. But do you hear about Western colonial labour camps? Nope. If Soviet Eastern Europe was "colonization" then surely they were far more humane than Western colonization right? Doesn't that prove her point, that the USSR was not more evil than other countries at the time? Did Britain or France go around Africa giving people free modern apartments, univerties, hospitals and healthcare? Parks, theme park rides in parks, local cinemas, cultural palaces? Doesn't look like it. People should read (or listen to the audiobook on RUclips) Stalin: critique of a black legend, it shows that even Stalin wasn't actually out of the norm when it came to atrocities of major powers at the time. When it comes to the USSR, people, including metatron have complete brainrot.
*I don't think these people even believe in it themselves* I think it's actually often the case, that they are very unwell, disturbed and depressed people, and rather than harming themselves like a lot of people sadly do when they are in this situation, they try to harm other people by promoting these ideologies.
That's a hallmark of leftists. Always gaslight people and pretend their crap ideology is better and less destructive than it obviously is. Usually while denouncing any opposing ideologies as worse than they actually are.
in the 80s there was a comedian who defected from the USSR. He used to joke that the USSR gave you just enough bread to make the sandwiches you ate while standing in line to get more bread. This lady is clearly a propagandist for centralized government.
try being on a slave trade vessel bound for the US and then enslaved on a plantation.... before you try to pretend some countries are worse than others... i'm not saying i know who was the worst, but i'm not going to snow flake implode just because someone said 'no more evil than other countries'.
As a Pole who's really passionate about my country's history it was really hard listeaning to some lady from the UK telling me "Yeah no those parents and grandparents of yours ? yeah they didn't have it that bad under the Russian tyrany. Get over yourself mate"
Academics in general have worrying tendencies towards downplaying the crimes of communist regimes. I remember reading one professor who downplayed the crimes of Stalin by referring to them as "executions" as opposed to murders for the case of Nazi Germany, because Stalin believed he was eliminating threats to his regime whereas Hitler killed people just for who they were. He conveniently seemed to forget that *every* government that commits mass murder believes it is doing so "for the good of the realm" and Stalin also killed millions "just for who they were" including members of numerous ethnic groups he persecuted, kulaks, and civil servants whose political views differed slightly from his.
If that was his justification, then it was bullshit, but using "executions" alone isn't downplaying per se. We are still using "political prisoners", for example, not "political kidnapping victims". It's meant to convey the idea that someone was killed specifically for punishment, it says nothing about it being justified. I have heard cartel killings described as "executions", for example.
22:47 Im from Kazakhstan, a post-Soviet country, mostly the small amount of people that feel nostalgic about the USSR only feel that way because of the 90s. The 90s were a time of chaos, insane levels of crime, poverty, absolutele government corruption, stagnent wages and wage cuts, inflation, widening of the inequality, de-industrialisation and shock capitalism. Because of the absolute shock experienced and associated with the 90s, people tend to think that the 70s and 80s were much better then they actually were. However, it's a unpopular opinion outside Russia, because pretty much no one is nostalgic for the time of living under the boot of Moscow
Yeah.. the 90s collapse which was CAUSED by the Soviet system. That also gets conveniently wiped from their memories. Not surprising since those who support such things rarely think in the wider terms of Cause & Effect.
What choice did Kazakhs have in 1920s? To live like Uyghurs in China? Or to live like Uzbeks and Tajiks in Afghanistan? There was USSR and Kazakhs got their country, just freaking be happy. If Kazakhstan would be occupied like Uyghurs by China would have NIL and sit in concentration camps.
Boot of Moscow when you have your own country now is better than boot of China. Uyghurs live under China and there are 8 million of them and they do not have their country.
@@malikamasimova7631I don't think you are entitled to say to a Kazakh how they should feel about their own history. If you have historical arguments about what would have happened and how the way things went might have been a better choice than alternatives, then you should present them soberly and argue. Not that it's always necessary to pull out the "what if" because China is its own separate can of worms and the two communist regimes of the region collaborated, came to agreements and in general decided the course of events together, so you can't examine the issue of central Asia without taking into consideration both, and you didn't account for that. PS If you wonder why Kazakhstan is so big on denuclearization, it's because the USSR turned it into a huge texting ground for their nuclear initiatives and polluted the shit out of it.
@GiovanniPerini Italy was in Hitler coalition and had really fascists in power. Also, Italy committed genocide in Ethiopia. Compared to your country, USSR is an angel.
Crimean tatars were deported because Soviets were afraid Turkey would enter WWII and Crimean Tatars and other Muslim populations will be helping Turks. uS did the same and put Japanese and Germans in camps during WWII.
@@malikamasimova7631 why are you trying to justify a bad thing(deporting an ethnic group) by comparing it to another bad thing(imprisoning ethnic groups)?
@@malikamasimova7631Temporarily Imprisoning a population (which no one is defending here) is very different from sending an entire native population into exile, in which a large number of them perished, and then having their land colonized. They are not even comparable.
She is absolutely right and Metatron is not - USSR was a constant strive for communism, and not a communist country. And yes, I was actually born there, unlike all of you.
@@DubaiShortsChannel Well we are not in real Capitalism yet so you cant judge it. Words from a man who lived thru 1927 to 2008 in Poland "I wish the facists would have won since at least they treated us as humans"
One redditor seriously told me that food stamps in USSR were a good thing - free food. And if you want anything else, you can just go and buy it in the store. I laughed my ass off. Also he told me that less people died in GULAG than in UK prisons. Then it turned out he doesn’t know how percents work…
It took decades, to save enough money to buy a terrible car, years to get approval to purchase that terrible car, and another ten to fifteen years, before your car could be built, because their manufacturing was horrendous. Yes, they were poor.
Money was not that big of a problem, but the fact there was nothing to buy. You waited for the approval to buy a car and for it to be built even when you had the money. Even grocery stores had empty shelves. I remember from the childhood that we needed coupons for foodstuff (so people wouldn’t buy more than allowed) and my mother swapped out vodka and cigarette coupons for sugar coupons so we could make more jam for the winter.
OK - this is a bit overblown. I was born in a communist state (not USSR). You can say cars where expensive for the average person but saving to get a car was far from decades. Financing the purchase was not an issue as there where also loans. The approval for my father took less than 6 month (even thou he has criminal record) and he was placed on a list to wait, I don't know how long he had to wait originally but soon after he got married and I was born so the waiting time was reduced to 18 months. He actually sold his placement to another person as he decided to buy a second had car instead of a new one. About how poor people where - this is quite subjective. As non party members and with some political criminals in my family we had 3 houses and an apartment + 2 cars. And my family was not especially wealthy or part of the ruling class. Engineers, accountants and teachers. When 1989 came, I had a bank account with the equivalent of about 8k USD ( I was 7 at that time), this was a fund created by my parents where they added some money each month so when I turn 18 i can have a good start in life. This was not the only family saving account. Too bad that due to inflation all the accounts turned to dust just for a few years after the democracy came.
She forgot to say that criminals were harsh guards of the prisoners. They could exercise their hate for the intellectuals, and take a revenge on proud nerds.
@@T2266 yeah they are a dumb history channel that makes small videos like that. They want the money flow so seeing all you absolute ahistorical monkeys losing your shit because she didn't call the ussr evil just made them avoid drama
My Ukrainian grandfather gave me a copy of the Gulag Archipelago when I was in my early teens. Almost forty years later and I still have little tolerance for pro-communist nonsense.
Yeah, and Archipelago Gulag is not a documentary proof, it’s a work of semi fiction: read stories, extrapolations and exaggerations and not based on factual information.
@ sure comrade, of course a book based on actual historic events written during a time that simply whispering ant-Soviet sentiments would send you to the gulags doesn’t have any documented proof. Let’s just forget that hundreds of thousands of people have just disappeared mysteriously during that time and if they returned , they were shadows of themselves including members of my family. I guess they got the directions wrong for Ibiza and accidentally ended up in Siberia.
My eloquent comments disappear, so I will be short. The USSR was a scion of the Faustian spirit of Europe. Weep for the statues of Titus, of General Lee and of Lenin. Both 1789, 1945 and 1991 were a disaster for the European civilisation. - Adûnâi
No, the good guys are the guys who had segregation intill 1950s and who invaded and committed genocide in Vietnam. These are the good guys. The good guys are Europeans, who built concentration camps for Jews, and who had human zoos up until 50s, the human zoos where good Europeans put black people in Africa.
She definitely has a future in politics with her ability to dodge questions, downplay events, use logical fallacies, and to twist and manipulate the truth until it's unrecognizable.
How did she do that? Offer concrete examples of her "twisting the truth until its unrecognizable". You will find none. You are lying. You maybe dont even know it, because you are so used to the propagandist version of describing the USSR (and now Russia), that to hear objective descriptions without the added "commentary" (of the terrible unspeakable evilness) makes it sound "twisted" to you. Most people cant listen to objective descriptions of the USA for the same reason, just opposite - they feel like objective descriptions are unfair and they smear the USA, if they dont contain the "amazing beautiful democratic beacon of freedom and liberty" shtick.
44:29 based on the stories my grandparents told, this is also a heavy understatement. Yes, you could listen to Free Europe when it wasn’t completely jammed, but if they caught you or someone reported you, then you could spend the next few years in the caring hands of the state. So if you were brave enough, you listened on minimum volume, with your ear on the speaker. There is a very good reason why Warsaw Pact radio receivers in the 50s/60s didn’t have a headphone connector.
No,there was food rationing even in 80ties as example sugar had been rationed.And in general, there was a shortage of many goods, it was even problematic to get a toilet paper.
Apprently Russia didn't have its first TP factory UNTIL the 80s. A Ukrainian guy who grew up in the 70s and 80s, but emigrated the the US in the 90s, tells great stories about the USSR on his channel 'Ushanka Show' and mentioned this lovely gem I think. It's fascinating.
Only sugar and butter in my city, although they could buy more on the black market with no problem. Then 1991 came, and that felt hard, and then 1992 with wars, real poverty, bread and water diet...
A friend and his wife came to America in the 80s. He was able to leave because his father in law had a lot of influence in the government. He was a butcher.
Fun fact about the gulags. It wasn't even just people who were a threat. If they needed laborers for a project, say the nickel mine in Norolisk, they would just set an arrest quota to get the workers they needed. Engineers, geologists, and miners would just get arrested for "treason" and sentenced to work for 15+ years. This ended in the late 30s, but it's important to know it wasn't just political disidents either.
Id argue some services should be, such as police, fire and defence. I am also worried about the loss of jobs to automation, the amount of people that will be replaced in transport and logistics alone in the near future is worrying
Socialism was such a bad system that the living standards, life-expectancy, and every other measure of human flourishing dropped like a rock when the Soviet Union abandoned it and switched to capitalism. 🙄 Socialism is such a bad system that a country 30 times the size of Cuba is afraid to compete with it on the free market, hence the need for a blockade which not only prohibits Americans from doing business with Cuba but threatens to seize the assets of any other country that does as well. 🙄 If capitalism were a good system, it could compete on the free market without the need for blockades and coups to keep it in power. If on the other hand, it is a tool used by a ruling class more corrupt than has been seen since the days of two cities in Bible which can survive only by force and intimidation, it makes perfect sense that it relies on coups, rigged elections, programs like Operation Gladio in Italy and outright blockades.
That may be true. But even I, as a German, will have to admit that the occupation of those countries was, thankfully, cut rather short in comparison to the one by the Soviets. I don't know how a decades long Nazi occupation would have looked, but it might not have been better by much, if at all.
From the ones that I've spoken to, here also seems to be a sense of betrayal. How could the country that liberated them from the Germans, treat them like this?
20:57 Boris Yeltsin, a prominent person in the communist party, soon to be Russia's first president, made a unplanned visit to a random supermarket in Texas in 1989. He was shocked to see such a insane amount of options for products available at the fingertips of everyone in the US. He even said no one in Moscow had such a variety of groceries to chose from. He was so shocked, he accused the Americans of faking all of this for propaganda. By the end the Soviet delegation came back with full shopping carts of food. This was the in 1980s, a time concidered relatively decent in the USSR, you can imagine how awful it was in the worst of times.
To be fair, late 80s were a relatively bad times for the SU. Not 40s and early 50s by any stretch of the imagination, but SU peaked somewhere in the mid 70s, when the oil prices were high. It was eventually all downhill from there
So what? We still don't have the same stuff in European super markets than in the US. For example don't have the insane variety of sugary cereals with marshmallows and all kinds of shit. America on the other hand still doesn't have public healthcare that pretty much every other country has, including USSR and Cuba.
@@eewweeppkk One way to generate artificial gravity is the idea of a space station that rotates at a set speed, depending upon the level of gravity desired. SO actually, spinning CAN be used to create artificial gravity. Keyword being artificial. :)
@@darthdonkulous1810 I know that getting this deep into it is autistic as heck but that doesn't actually produce gravity or a gravitational field, it just makes the station seem like it has gravity by applying a centrifugal force to the stuff in it.
I don't understand people like you. People are allowed to retract things when they realize they made a mistake. Especially for a channel that is interested in academic integrity.
She mentioned the famines. Did you listen? And during 1930-1933 the famines were also in Poland, and in the US. I didn't know that the Soviets were so powerful at that time and did this in the US
@@ВаряТрифонова-б6ю а ты дыд лысен, что тут вся эта помечная ахинея направлена на одно: очернить, демонизировать, расчеловечить русских? не было _голодомора_ на Украине. был ГОЛОД. вызванный объективными причинами, а не мифической кровожадностью "совков" вас напичкали русофобской чернушной, фактически нацистской пропагандой, вы всё тут от счастья и питаетесь кипятком: вон они, орки, вот они! Не то что мы, цивилизованный западный мир! и про переселение крымских татар и чеченов язык стёрли, обвиняя русских в жестокости. а тебя в школе не учили, ПОЧЕМУ руководство СССР к таким мерам прибегло, а?
@@malikamasimova7631 To be fair, most of the american indigenous people that died in the colonisation era, did so because of the sucesive waves of deseases we brought with us, and against wich they had no defenses........And this was almost absolutely unintentional (although very convinient for the colonists). Indeed, most of them ( up to 90%, depending of who you ask) kicked the bucket, before they had even the CHANCHE of seeing a white man showing up in the horizon, lusting for women, land, and whatever valuable thing or resources they may have..... Would they have k*lled all this people the "traditional" way, if the deseases hadn`t done the job previously? Hell yeah! But fact is, they didn`t need to. They just had to deal with the survivors of a post-apocaliptic scenario that had not yet recovered from what they probably thought was the end of the world.........
@ spoken like a true moron. Please, the amount of murder the KGB was committing on their own population makes everything the CIA did look like a school project. Before speaking absolute garbage you should do some research. Because I can’t think of a n American version of the gulags and when the CIA was mass deporting political enemies of the state
As someone born in the USSR in the 80, and lived in a big city, I can tell you from personal experience that I would go to the store to buy milk and bread and the shelves were empty!
And then you did what? Go to the market and buy meat and vegetables there? I remember the 1980s as well, it was not that bad until 1990-91, then it was bad indeed. In 1992-93 there were all foreign foods, but no money by that time.
Now we just need to get her in a “debate” and see if she picked up on Hamas Piker’s special talent of insulting your opponent as soon as you get triggered.
9:38 people were communists but the state never reached communizm, simple analogy- 4 of your buddies tried to build a cabin in the woods but drop the projekt after 20% completion, were they cabin builders? -yes. Was cabin build? No.
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No one with a knowledge of how slavery persisted into the 20th century in the United States (read the Emancipation of Robert Sadler) Churchill's terror famine in India or the FACT that Truman PROLONGED the war so that he could show off his atomic bombs by destroying two cities (one of the being the center of Christianity in Japan btw) could argue that the Soviet Union was uniquely evil even in comparison to the American and British Empires much less in comparison to the German empire which was the actual enemy of the Soviet Union during the darkest period in its history. If you think that, you are either ignorant or very good at compartmentalizing.
@metatronyt it's certainly funny how she skips totally to mention Holodomor under "how many people died under Stalin" question
Only with that, we are talking about several millions. History of everything did a video about that:
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Thankyou for always keeping it real metatron ur my fav historical youtuber
Are there ANY parts of human history you may not feel particularly knowledgable about? Would be fun to learn along with you for once ;D
Just a small advice: either bother yourself to learn the actual history of the country you're slandering or don't pretend to be the all-knowing truth teller. You get so offended by people slandering the western countries - but are not above doing it yourself. I, personally, don't care how you feel about the USSR, Russia, or whatever, but 99% of the western sources on the topic are propaganda lies, recycled for political purposes. Do your research - and do better.
''The USSR did not consider themselves communist''
And North Korea considers itself a ''democratic peoples republic''
She's burying the lede with that comment too. Communism was the END goal, socialism was the process by which you got there. They weren't "communists" only in the most technical ideological sense. In EVERY other way, they were communists. THEY would disagree with her.
@@danlorett2184 They, at least in their own mind, were communists but the Soviet Union itself never was because they never got there. Communism is the utopia thats used to justify all the evil of Socialism, which really is the evil part of that ideology not the communism, until the leaders eventually all step down and give the power to the people, which of course is never going to happen.
More democratic than burgerland.
@@dankovskimark4540 nigga stop trolling.
@@dankovskimark4540 no
The party in both USSR and Warsaw Pact countries didn't 'offer' employment, employment was mandatory for everyone who wasn't attending school, retired, or officially declared physically or mentally unable to work.
The crime of not working was called 'parasitism' and the punishment was imprisonment coupled with heavy physical labour.
And a great channel about the USSR called the Ushanka Show mentions that you couldn't just change jobs either- that is you couldn't move up or to something particularly different either. You were basically stuck for life as whatever you started as.
@@mattl3729 Its not like you couldn't, but you had to be educated to get most jobs. And all education was free, read - government pays for it. And government is not going to pay for another one just because you don't feel like working on your current job. So once you got your education, you are stuck with jobs it allows.
@@mattl3729 its a lot of bs coming from ya. If you got the education OR experience you can change field. But a fucking peasant joe with no diploma would not be given the right to lead a police squad or enter teaching without some form of diploma or experience backing him. Simple factory jobs you could change if the factory head was fine with it along the current employer
Socialism is collective ownership of the means of production. Your time is a means of production. It follows that under Socialism the collective (state) owns your time (you).
I mean, that doesn't sound like a bad thing though? like isn't our proud American value that if you don't work you should die? isn't that what we preach and practice over here? in what world do you think the average person in the capitalist's world who isn't listed as attending school, retired, or officially declared physically or mentally unable to work is allowed to live? hell, we even demand disable people to "prove their worth" by shaming supposed "welfare queen". oh wait we do have those people those wealth rich pigs who leach off other like landlords or shareholders and big business owners
Editing the record for PR purposes? How wonderfully Soviet.
just think, these kind of apologists cheer massacres in the past. her pudgy face will be smiling if they happen again to you.
Editing out the pro-soviet propaganda doesn't sound very soviet
1984 is alive and well.
@@exantiuse497 Sure it is. It's not about the word "Soviet". The same people will happily claim that the prior results of their politics were actually consequences of entirelt different politics.
@@SydBat
1984 is alive and well - demonizing USSR
This video has now been taken down. You can't find it any more. They must have realised that the "professor" was extremely biased.
Biggest problem of Western actual left. They don't have the backbone.
If they didn't know that from her presentation, they should go back to school.
She wasn't "extremely" biased, no. This is debatable. You can see my comments above. I left several.
She wasn't a professor, she's an apologist for the most evil system that ever existed.
@@pqlr8763She concealed her extreme bias well with tepid vocabulary and diplomatically neutral language to indoctrinate uneducated people into thinking the USSR was somehow a good place to live. Millions died. She is extremely biased.
The red flag on her desk was a red flag.
Yeah, it disgusts me how that's okay but having a NS flag would outrage everybody and their dog, despite the USSR having been SO much worse, and having been our enemy for 40 years, not just 5. It shows you just how backwards things are.
Literally.
@@Rognvaldi Finally, someone used literally correctly.
The archer class is really made up of archers.
It's on-topic deco, dude.
The fact this woman is a lecturer at kings college is insane.
Yes, but not surprising!
Nope that's your average professor in the West.
I think you mean, "totally predictable"
She's the type that mr. Bezmenov warned about.
No this is about right for the British further education system
I'm from a former soviet country. There are 2 kinds of people from the soviet times. Ones who had everything taken, and ones who had everything given. She gives the history of the 2nd group.
Well as far as people going to old USSR towns (here on RUclips), most old people living there were given everything then because they all say it was better under USSR management.
@@beardedlonewolf7695 exactly 👌
@@beardedlonewolf7695 maybe they should ask the millions of people who starved to death or died in the Gulags...
Oh, wait...
There are 2 kinds of people from the old South. Ones who had their slaves taken, and ones who were given their freedom. Guess what group you're a part of?
@@beardedlonewolf7695Only if you were asking in specifically Russian towns. Most of the towns from the rest of the USSR are glad to no longer be under the Russian thumb. Not that Putin isn't trying to maintain that system in all but name.
"According to the Gulag's own records, at least 3.7 million exiles and prisoners died from 1929-53:" Survival, illness, and death -
Alan Barenberg. Oxford Academics
"We dont have the numbers" as she said.. what
I agree with the high numbers (even though we actually don't know how many because of shitton of reasons), but don't quote someone who hasn't even visited actual archives 😕
@@Krestrike i dunno, but I guess a Phdhistorian who have gotten published by Yale and Oxford, in this subject, is a pretty good source.
She uses the word 'perished' instead of murdered. Totally bizarre, unless of course she's trying to subtly downplay the events.
She is what happens when communists take over "higher education".
"Yes, many jews perished in Adolf's wonderful summer camps, but it's a common misconception that everyone who was in those camps died. In fact, if you consider how many did not die, the camps weren't that bad, and in fact, produced a wealth of activity and unity to the Germanic peoples." - This crazy B
And the Western media use even more euphemistic language about the thousands of children lying dead in Gaza today... yaay, we are so much better' then the evil USSR!
I've noticed a lot of people on RUclips saying "perished" or similar words/phrases instead of "died." Either it's a new trend, or because "dead" and "died" trigger RUclips, like "suicide" and "Hitler" do.
A historian answering questions the way a historian answers questions, without assigning any morality. Just answering the fucking question, and you people lose it. You think history is a narrative. You don't understand the historical process
The video has been hidden. It still turns up if you specifically search for it but now ALL the comments have been removed. Bad form, History Hit. Very bad form.
That's why I go to REAL History Channels; like @matatronyt
And now they removed it completely because I can’t even find it whenI specifically search xd
@@TheRealRealMClovinThere’s a link in the description. UPDATE : The link is no longer active, the video has been set to private.
@@GoBlueGirl78 aa ok not removed then but still not able to turn up if you specifically search it
I made 1 coms b4 this 1, if its missing you know y.
Please note, that when she says the Crimean tatars "got displaced in 1944", this was by the soviets, not the Germans. In 1944 soviets recaptured Crimea, and immediately the tatars "got displaced".
She tried to link it with the jews getting wiped out by the Germans.
She really is sneaky.
same thing happened with chechens in 1944, lots of people murdered and deported
A lot of people got displaced after WWII. The Sudentan Germans got displaced too.
Surprised that did not happened to them during Russian Empire, after all their economy was basically build on raids and slave trade. Could not have happened to nicer people ...
@@stanleyrogouski There was a reason for that, the border of Germany moved.
In the Crimea, the soviets just decided to be evil to russify Crimea.
@@stanleyrogouski Displaced is far too mild a word. FAR too mild. It also wasn't the first time. There was a sizeable German population in western and southern Ukraine- people invited in by Catherine the Great- who were rounded up and moved to the far East when WWI started. Hundreds of thousands of people. A Ukrainian group did a fascinating and sad documentary about it a year or two ago. Stalin did the same at the start of WWII. And let's not forget all those who wanted to be free of the Soviet yoke and fought against them during WWII- and were turned over by the Allies to be deported or just murdered by Stalin. The USSR was the real evil of the 20th century by orders of magnitude- make no mistake. But that's impolitic to accept.
The video is private now, good job! It's a joke such people are allowed to teach, it's actually disgusting
Well, according to a lot of people thats the state of academia these days across the board....
"How many people died under Stalin?" She danced around the question, and NEVER GAVE A NUMBER.
Of course, because there's no hard number, it's like asking me how many children and women the US has murdered in the dozens of wars it has caused and dozens of coups d'etat, I don't know but that doesn't mean I'm covering up those murders.
There is no number, the only answer - it's huge, no one knows the actual numbers till this day, archives are still closed and restricted.
There is no number, just a few different estimations. 3.000.000 up to 24.000.000 are the most common numbers, some say up to 60.000.000 but thats way over the top if you analyse the populations of the countries.
She said that there are no exact figures and a lot of debates.
@@imyarek She did not even give a broad estimate.
Never even once did she mention how Gulags were a place to punish ideological dissidents and academics who wouldn't fall in line. Just "prisons" to "keep people away" and "punish them". After all, only "criminals" went there, right?
The entire video was hideously apologetic to one of the most cruel regimes in the last century.
If I, as a German, made a video like that for Nazi Germany, I'd have to worry about going to prison over it.
They also just sent random people there. They had quotas for how many people they sent to the gulags.
And imagine if you had a similar statue and flag on your desk in the foreground throughout the video.
Putin apologists in west today are doing the same thing as this lady historian,talking about how poor Russia needed to defend themselves against west in Ukraine and how west is equaly bad as Putin,Xi and other genocidial dictatorships.
If you had a Nazi flag and a statue of Hitler you'd also be charged with a crime. Which is why it always cracks me up when people say places like Germany or England have "free speech." No. ONLY the United States does. You praise the Nazis in Germany thats illegal. That's not free speech. A women just got arrested in England for literal thought crime. She admitted to praying in front of an abortion clinic. Arrested. Literal thought crime. No hyperbole. England has thought crime laws now. But the English will tell you they have free speech. Maybe we disagree on the definition of the term?
If you check some people who was in gulag, what they say, or do in the past, they was not "good" person. And there no "random" people who just bring in gulag "for fun". Are you really think that KGB in old times was stupid and don't know what their do?) There is no way you just be a worker on a factory and be in gulag.
Thats why many people in russia love stalin. As a belarussian (previous part of USSR), it's always fun to hear about bad USSR, when black people in USA was a 2 sort people for example)).
A friendly reminder that north korea also holds elections.
Anyways, have a nice day.
That’s crazy, Kimmy got 100% of the vote
@@marekgorka9816 man just has a really good gaming chair
@@def3ndr887that reminds me of the Armenian election where the news sites reported the dictator was elected again….. a few days before the election even started
"Elections".
Supreme Executive power derives from a mandate from the masses.
Congratulations Dear Leader upon winning 110% of the vote!!
Not even Stalin loved the USSR as much as this woman.
I find it disturbing how many lecturers are hired propagandist and not unbiased academics.
Just imagine the Orwellian lectures explaining how 6M Palestinians woke up one day and realized they were unfortunate enough to have been born on land the British Monarchy was paid to give to someone else in the early 1900's and then sent ships full of people and guns to round up those 6M into leisure camps to sort of rest and recuperate for 70yrs while some magically disappear never to be seen or heard of again. The Severance procedure will be administered to both citizens and military who are on the front lines manning the 'Waste Management' infrastructure to keep the streets clean and the lights on while everyone has smiles for the cameras on every corner - all to keep the free flow of those dwindling 6M out of the headlines so the condos can be built atop the blood soaked fields and desecrated cemeteries.
No such thing as unbiased academic, I'd say in our day and age but it's been that way for a 100 years or more.
80 years of communism
Indeed. That's how past and current propaganda is spread. Unfortunately, history is usually not truth- from way back. It's what those who paid the writers wanted them to say, what forces control institutions, or just suppress dissent by sticking the word 'denier' or 'anti' on. I love the idea that truth has nothing to fear from scrutiny- and we should always be extremely suspicious of what we're not allowed to investigate, or discuss, or question; because if you can't question something, it means someone has something to hide.
@@keyser021Uh OK
As someone from a former Soviet country - this was disgusting. But I also want to answer your question about "who were they who liked the West?" It's ordinary people. 'Western' often was the synonim to 'of a very high quality', 'worth attention', 'worth buying' if we are talking about the goods. And also people went out of their way to get access to Western culture, especially music. But unfortunately she did not specify that and I suspect - it was on purpose
And also it was banned and you could get in trouble for praising it. I remember secretly recording music tapes and pirating them everywhere to people to listen.
Or that fashion on "boiled Jeans" to look cool like in Western movies.
Also, lets not forget that tampons/pads/diapers were not a thing in USSR even in 1990.
Yes because we were never shown the homeless - a uniquely western phenomenon at the time
@@ZS-rw4qq Sure. Cause homelessness was itself was a felony in the USSR. If you were homeless, you had two options: jail or a mental institution. And the latter was arguably worse. In addition to that, yes, freedom and opportunities also create the possibility of failure. Freedom always also creates more risks in life, cause you and only you are made responsible for yourself. Not a very steep price to pay if you ask me. There were especially many homeless in the 90s, cause to many the concept of competition and working for quality over quantity were alien after 70 years under a totalitarian rule where everything was decided for you.
@Admiral_Bongo hahahahhaha you missed the part where they built commie blocks to house everyone
@Admiral_Bongo You also missed how these people became homeless - through privatization of state owned companies
A woman stands in line for hours, when she gets to the head of the line, she asks the clerk, "do you have any bread"? The clerk answers "No, lady, this is the store with no meat, the store with no bread is across the street"......Welcome to the USSR.
Зачем стоять в очереди за хлебом часами? Пошла ,замесила тесто и спекла. Тупая западная пропаганда.
*A woman walks into a store and asks the clerk "You don't have any meat, do you?" The clerk answers "We don't have any fish, the store that doesn't have any meat is down the street."
It's already understood that the store doesn't have any bread since the bread line is at the bakery - where they don't have any idea.
You butchered that one.
Breadlines were a thing in a late 80s when Union was going capitalist and early 90s when Russia embraced US style capitalism fully.
Breadlines were a thing in a late 80s when Union was going capitalist and early 90s when Russia embraced US style capitalism fully.
@@dankovskimark4540
You're absolutely right, before that there was no reason to stand in line - nobody was getting _any_ bread anyways.
Red Army: [Sings about burning every church in the world]
"Academic": "They're just so fascinated with spiritualism."
Well historically, they did tolerate the church for most of their existence
@vitamc1213 Out of necessity. If they could, they would have eradicated it.
@vitamc1213 as long as they put daddy government before the church
This isn’t the work of a historian, but rather an activist posing as one-quite Soviet, don’t you think? Her downplaying of the operation’s death toll by suggesting the numbers were "small" and claiming there’s "a lot of debate" is utterly disturbing. As a German, I find it appalling.
Consider the question, "Was the Soviet Union poor?" A glance at almost any data-whether income levels, infrastructure, or social systems-reveals the profound and lasting impact of the USSR on East Germany. Even today, the disparities are visible in modern statistics across the map.
I'm guessing she ended up in England when her family, as part of the Party, had to flee when the USSR fell. Just my assertion by how much she defends it.
After 40 years you cannot really use communism as excuse for bad economy and corrupt government.
@@paulie9483 Fleeing to England and now doing her best to turn it a communist Hellscape.
'You know, the gulags were not that bad, kind of like a holiday camp but you are offered the chance to work!'
- Prof. Anastasia Pologia
@@paulie9483She doesn't speak like someone from England, nor in Received Pronunciation. I'd wager she arrived here later in her life, after childhood.
Oh she's just doing the "Tell me you're a GRU Asset without telling me you're a GRU asset" meme!
Modern Russian authorities are anti-sovietic. So, she is certainly not a GRU asset 😂
Ironic, cause Russia was massively anti-communist until literally last year. And only stopped talking cap about USSR, because they needed to build up relationship with China real quick.
@@dankovskimark4540 They are anti-communist. They are very conservative and pro-Russian values and history and speak positively of Tsarist Russia which communists would never do. They just miss the power and influence Russia had during the USSR. So it's kinda weird how they combine traditional values with communist propaganda. But at its core it's pro-Russian nationalism. Even China isn't really communist anymore. They know it doesn't work. They just like the power and control. They are authoritarian.
;-)
@@dankovskimark4540not really. Russia are not tied to ideology per se and would support any side that is useful for them.
21:45 as woman who lived during USSR - I must remind you that there were no diapers for kids and no pads or tampons - or any other hygiene/comfort products like that. Even toilet paper was not a mass thing until late 70s and even then it was not everywhere but mainly in big cities, while everywhere it appeared only after mid 1980s - so near the death of USSR and when western products started slowly spilling into USSR.
Luckily I was born after this but my mother certainly remembers having to substitute toilet paper in communist Czechoslovakia with newspaper. Not very fun.
God bless you miss.
People here in America are losing their minds in favor of Communism. 3rd Wave Feminist claim Communism/Socialism can protect their bodies, they are severely Delusional.
People like can save America and this statement here is Dropping Reality on their Heads like Anvils.
God[YHWH] Bless you Miss, Where ever you Are.
if you lived in Siberia... or the Caucasus in the mountains, yes, but to this day is hard to find diapers in the woods wherever country you go
@wladdragwlya wrong, it was horrid for political opposition and Christians.
Churches and private property were seized and taken. A majority of Gulag slaves were priests and monks.
I went through a roll of toilet paper today blowing my nose with a cold. It would have been a nightmare.
Reading all of the pro-soviet and pro-USSR comments bring to mind the expression "It is easier to fool a man than it is to convince a man that he's been fooled."
Stalin: "To make an omelet you need to break some eggs".
Orson Welles: "So where is the omelet?"
The communists: "The west stole it from us!"
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The quote is actually from a pro Stalin journalist who wrote for the New York Times
Actually not far from the truth.
The USA love to blame the USSR for their failures that the USA worked so hard to make happen.
🤣🤣🤣
- So, Stalin brought Soviet Russia from dust-poor, back water country to the second powerhouse. The first country that ever sent humans into space.
- Is that not an omelet?
As soon as she used the no true Scotsman fallacy on the soviet union a million alarms went off in my head.
This "Historian" has more red flags than the Kremlin in the 80s
Real historians dont participate in these videos sadly but are busy writing books and digging throuch archives
More red flags than a CCP parade.
It's funny. I can see the results of *attempting* large-scale communism. When people suggest we try communism I don't really care whether "real" communism was achieved in those cases; I care about what happened when people tried it.
its not true scotsman fallacy, if you dont follow the ideals of a certain ideology, then you arent following that ideology
@@boad8270 You might as well just say Communism is Utopia. Because you'll never be satisfied when the people who want it fail over and over again, meanwhile causing mass suffering.
As a Pole, I facepalmed quite a lot watching her.
Talk to your granpa then watch again
@ZS-rw4qq when you stop wearing diapers we can talk kiddo.
As a Hungarian, I also facepalmed a lot.
@@d.cs.j.2513 I mean Hungary was allied of Germans whos plan was to wipe out the Slavs, including your bro Poles. So...
If you wonder why Americans don't understand Communism, not having lived through it is a factor, but the real delusional stuff comes from propagandists embedded in our schools and universities. McCarthy and Stripling were absolutely right, and they didn't go far enough.
State decides where you live.
State decides where you work.
State decides if you die.
Wow, so many opportunities.
Not true but go off I guess
"The goal of socialism is communism." -Lenin
All the policies done by the Soviet Union were by design whether progressive apologists would admit it or not.
Tankies often hate religion, but critique the religion of Marx? Not allowed.
@@Leftism_is_opium Seriously, criticize the state just a bit and they lose their minds more than any religious zealot I've ever met.
@@Leftism_is_opiumBy that classification you can call anything a religion.
@TheLogg Tankies tend to be militant atheists who aggressively hate religion. Marx simply created an opiate for edge lords.
@@TheLogg_"Socialism is precisely the religion that must overwhelm Christianity. . ."_
Gramsci
Not everything is religion, but socialism surely is
I like how some people forget about the minority cleansing in USSR
They just plain support it
ukraine did that too. just ask romanian, hungarian, etc minorities there. what is your point?
@@jesuschrist5294What about. What about. What about. What about
@@jesuschrist5294 Whatboutism goes crazy
The Holodomor tells you all you need to know.
My great grandfather was sent to a gulag in Siberia from Hungary. He came back with many missing fingers and toes (frostbite) years later. He was lucky. Had to leave his daughter and wife alone, and they suffered. Once he came back, he turned to alcohol after the horrors he's seen, and they continued to suffer.
My great grand-uncle never returned to Austria. The USSR only released people through treaties who were not able to work.
I knew a Hungarian guy once who would always talk about the 'F&CKING Communtists' any time he had to mention them. I can only imagine how rotten it must have been to live under the USSR's boot.
@@Colki12 Yeah, the idea that 1.5 million people died in the Gulag is just ludicrous given how few Germans came back after the millions who surrendered at the end of the war in the east. Or maybe this 'professor' only meant Soviet citizens. Soviet citizens sent to Gulag between 1932 and 1934. She seems to like weird specifics.
My grandfather was also sent to Gulag. He survived too. When he arrived back to Hungary, my grandma took him in her arms to help him getting off the train. He weighed only 36 kg (79.3 pounds)...
@@mattl3729 Yeah we do. Unfortunately, today Hungary seems to wink a lot towards communism because people have let time cover up the wounds so much that they've forgot. Even my grandmother, who was the daughter in the story speaks about communism and socialism as "the good old times" and specifically blames Stalin & Lenin personally with the pain they've caused. It is the system and almost all people who led it.
People: "Did communism cause a mass famine?"
This professor: "It depends on what you mean by famine? Yes, there were some people that went hungry, as they do in all countries, however under communism their inability to eat did not contribute to their deaths. It was mostly due to malnutrition of the farmers not growing a diverse range of food."
Wtf
Standard genocide apologist masquerading as an academic. The only moment she expressed any sort of sadness was when explaining when the USSR ended. Wild lol.
Probably because brainwashing probably started when she was a student at her university.
What genocide are you referring to
I mean at least she talks about it. It is worse to keep quite about such things, for example we got genocide of Poles in Western Ukraine, starvation of Indians and Germans by the Brits, British concentration camps in South Africa, Austrian concentration camps for Ukrainians. . How about Kongo? yeah...
@ajaysidhu471 Ukrainians, Polish, Jews, "academics", priests, "capitalists", mentally handicapped were all ethnically eradicated from regions. Many other populations were forcefully moved westward after ww2. Also, the sexual exploitation of the female population in occupied nations.
@@ajaysidhu471 they could be referring to any of them. Russia's history of genocide, displacement, repression, etc. is pretty well documented for every group that isn't considered slavic. If you want a specific group to look into the Buryat are one such group.
“One can argue that they offered employment to every Soviet citizen…” I mean sure, one could argue that, but it’d be a really ignorant argument. Especially considering the famous Soviet phrase, “the administration pretends to pay us, so we pretend to work.”
Am I really “employed” if I’m not being compensated for my work?
So you’re saying that the Soviets invented the concept of “paying you with exposure”? The problem is that the exposure was to harsh conditions, famine, starvation, & the punishing, unforgiving climate.
They pretend to pay us and we pretend to work
More than that, the employment in the USSR was mandatory, and to be long-time unemployed was a criminal offence.
As it should be in any labor camp.
Well, can't say about SSSR, but the way it worked here during communism was similar in some ways. During the heyday it was easy to get a job and very hard to get fired so most places were overstaffed and people were hardly dying of overwork. The pay wasn't much but there were all kinds of side benefits provided by the state that you could get, so you could make a decent living in the end. An example of the benefits was free housing distributed by wait list or raffle, most larger companies owning a seaside resort so the employees and their families could go there on vacation for free, zero interest loans for a house or car, free education and so on. Crime was also at an all time low because there weren't enough enemies of the state to go around, so you had to have the police catch real criminals so they don't go fat and lazy, even though donuts weren't really a thing.
But yeah, the big issue was obvious, advancing at work was hard and the pay was similar for everyone so there was just no incentive to put in real effort, the whole thing was pretty much riding on foreign loans and those who had true enthusiasm for the ideology. As both of those driving forces started going dry (also helped by usual post-war baby boom), the cracks in the system started showing, accelerating the slowly brewing internal instability which ended the whole experiment.
As a bonus story, I worked in one of the few remaining state-owned company some 15 years ago and you'd be surprised at how preserved the mentality was, there were people putting in the work and the rest was just coasting along. It was normal to catch a snooze at work, hit the bottle, or go elsewhere to run errands (by company car no less), get to your workplace an hour late or vanish an hour or two before the end. If you ask me how is it working at all, I can only say it's a lot harder for essential services to go under than for everything else.
This is not a "real" phrase. It was originated in the West and was spread through english and geraman languages where it does sound good. Translating it into russian makes it super awkward and the first russian mansions of this phrase date to early 1990s.
The issue of pay was never present in the USSR, unlike the capitalistic countries. The issue was in availability of goods and services, not the amount of money.
The famines stopped after the 1940s. After that, the issues of mandatory employment and lack of consumer goods remained, but the lower class worker *was* materially better of then in the West, at certain periods. Of course, that alone does not make the USSR good or excuse their other crimes, it should only make the Western countries question how they treat people below the middle class.
In capitalism, we debate about whether to build a wall to keep people out. In communism, the party has to build a wall to keep people in.
Not true, Ukraine is as capitalist and democratic as they come, and men are not allowed to leave the country.
They called the Berlin wall the "anti-facist rampart".
It seems to have been a huge success. Not a single facist ever even TRIED to get past it. 😅
Actually they'll tell you that the wall is for your own good to keep the bad people out.
It was quite a sensationalist symbol, but reality was more complex than that. There was actually quite a lot of people who migrated from other countries TO the Soviet Union and other Warsaw pact nations, like, precisely, East Germany. But, I know how it is. Many people think the World is just U.S.A., Germany, France and UK.
“We” debate that wall because of the number of refugees fleeing their country capitalists exploited and stripped of all its resources after toppling their democratically elected leaders.
She probably waxed nostalgia and got too emotional for her own good. I'll quote Call of Duty:
"Anyone who doesn't regret the passing of the Soviet Union has no heart. Anyone who wants it restored has no brains."
She was definitely thinking of the former rather than the latter, but she was associating the socialism she experienced WITH the Stalin Era, which is WILD. The Stalin Era was a totalitarian dictatorship. He also was very evil, without a doubt. It may not be academic to say that, but prove me wrong.
Also, I know the quote I mentioned above was said by Tsar Nicholas II. Lol jk- it was Putin. Every Millennial still quotes those loading screens.
I remember this RUclipsr named the fat electrician had a perfect comeback to the people who say “ that wasn’t true communism” Communism is like a recipe for a cake and each time they use that recipe the cake gets ruined.
Except for the fact it also produced the fastest growing and most productive economies in human history. That gets conveniently ignored.
@@-Zevin- There's an actual easy answer for that, all of that "growth" is just becaus ethe money and property they "expropiate" from people, once they run out of that the economy thanks like crazy,
@@-Zevin- It killed millions. That also gets conveniently ignored.
@@LilStankiboi So has capitalism literally hundreds of millions, also conveniently ignored. See how this works?
@@LilStankiboi So has capitalism. Ironic.
Whoopsie! They’ve been saying the quiet part out loud a lot lately.
And what's that?
"Lately." There have been people defending the USSR since pretty much the inception of that country, nothing new there
❓The video no longer can be seen it seems. Did they delete or make it private?
She's one of those "it wasn't real communism." People
Fact check: False. They're not actually people.
Exactly
The funny thing is, one could well be one of those people, yet still not deny the historical crimes of specific communist regimes.
It's never "real Communism" because Socialism always fails to transition into Communism.
It's a fundamentally broken ideology that needs to be abandoned.
hate communism like the next person but this statement isn't 100% untrue. Most if not all communism countries didn't even follow their own ideologies and the bad things were mostly because of bad leadership and horrible oppression.
Stalin said that his country had no unemployment because he enslaved half of them in the gulag
The USSR did, as a matter of fact, go out of their way to offer employment to everyone. From around 1961 to 1991 being unemployed for a prolonged period was considered "social parasitism" could land you in Gulag or jail (having a private enterprise and living off the profits it generated was also considered social parasitism and bore the same consequences). That was one of the reasons Soviet economy was so inefficient. Hundreds of thousands if not millions of people were doing jobs or labor that wasn't necessary or even completely redundant and they all got their wages.
But the wages most of them got were small, so yeah, they were poor.
My great grandma, at that point a retired kolkhoz worker, had an old age pension of ~6 rubles in late 70s and early 80s. This was enough to buy food for 3-5 days worth of food if you bought the cheapest stuff.
Edit: "the lack of issues amongst etno-national groups" got a good chuckle out of me. That's just utter garbage.
Yeah, the ethno-national issues were the exact thing, in the form of "national movement" started in Baltic states and spread around USSR that was essential in bringing the Behemoth down. It was wild of her to claim that.
You'd be (unpleasantly) surprised by how unknown till now the ethnic tensions (and repression, displacement and cleansing) in the USSR were among people who weren't history experts, even if they were contemporary to the USSR's existence and end. Of course, in my country, we have the only Stalinist Communist Party in the world except N. Korea, and they have a certain.....hold on academia and intellectual culture both, to put mildly. But I've noticed it in other Western countries as well.
The joke was under communism the state pretends to pay you while you pretend to work.
""the lack of issues amongst etno-national groups" If I remember my history right, Stalin in the 20's and 30's exterminated some minorities to the point of killing over 90% of the members because he figured they were issues. I guess arguably a "Lack of issues" could be a euphemism for genocide in her defense!
All lies
One more Soviet joke:
two prisoners talking in a labor camp. "How long is your sentence? "
"Two years." "What did you do?"
"I didn´t do nothing..." "Don´t lie! ´Nothing´ gets you only one year!"
I love this joke among Soviet people the most:
"- What is capitalism?
- It is when one person exploits another!
- And what is communism?
- It is when other way around!"
Actually the shortest sentence were 3 and 5 years. That's when you were lucky. Most ranged from 10 to 25...
Also keep in mind sentences could be extended while you were prisoners. And once "freed" you'd actually be forced to live in desertic areas with the choice of either letting everyone exploit you for peanuts or starve to death. For years.
How reminding of current sentences in the UK for Facebook posts.
@@benjaminthibieroz4155just not true. Everything depended on your sentence your camp and when you served. Plenty of people got released and we're allowed to return to their families.
What is communism? "When one person exploits millions."
31:30 Doesn't at all surprise me that she "forgot" to mention that the Baltic states being "a part" of the USSR is to this day viewed as little more than foreign occupation.
They were a part of the Russian Empire. So was a chunk of Poland and so was Finland. I tend to view the Soviets as thinking they are retaking rebellious territories. No doubt the locals thought very differently since nationalism had been brewing in minority populations since tsarist times. They wanted to defend their new countries and did so very well at the beginning.
@@danielallan8061What would the world say if Great Britain re-invaded Ireland because Ireland was formerly part of the United Kingdom?
There was _a lot_ that Metratron actually let slide without comment. The aforementioned fact that the Baltics were free for the entire period between the wars and therefore have always had a somewhat different view of their membership in the Union. (Likewise the end date of the USSR itself.)
More significantly: She reminds us that the Czar had a political prison system and presents the Gulags as a continuation of that culture. Not an unimportant thing to mention, but it should _never_ be mentioned without emphasizing that the scale and brutality of the two systems was utterly incomparable. History should better remember the (rare) leftists of impeccable belief and credentials who had the internal and external courage to say that the USSR was _worse_ than the Czar--at a time when the _New York Times_ for example was full of lies and apologies. Then her entire talk about "convincing" people to participate in the Soviet project. Then her mentioning all the component peoples of the USSR with just an emphasis on its wonderful diversity, without a word of the fates that many of them (mentioned and unmentioned) faced. (Although Metatron does mention Stalin's attitudes elsewhere.) Not crazy about the description of the German Soviet war or the "nylon curtain" or the housing or some other stuff where she's obviously trying to put some spin on it where Metatron has often elsewhere (including in this video) called out far more subtle spin games being played by historians with agendas.
@@danielallan8061 Estonia has been invaded and occupied by Danes, Germans, Swedish and Russians. Are you saying that all of them have claim to our home now because their pieces of shait ancestors forced their way in? Why bring it up as a response to "Baltics still see it as invasion/occupation," unless you're trying to be an apologist? Also parts of russia used to belong to Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth, should they give those back as well. Why bring this garbage putinite argument of "historically we ruled there at some point" up, unless you're trying to make some kind of a garbage statemen?
@@danielallan8061 So India wasn't occupied by foreign invaders because India was part of the British Empire? Or could it be that the Russian Empire were also foreign occupiers of those places?
Your take is insanely bad, and you should feel bad for thinking that way.
Perhaps an obvious question, but I assume the choice of him saying "The Austrian Painter" instead of the actual name is a case of RUclips tracking mentioned words and not prioritizing videos that have "banned" ones?
Similar to during the Pandemic.
Yes. There is also an N-word. Known as "the second N-word", describing a certain breed of German Socialists of mid-20th century.
YT provides us with a wonderful little sample of the USSR life where you can't say some things.
you know when there's a disclaimer at the beginning that the video is going to be good 😂
Sees Disclaimer pulls out chair and sits back for a good show.
I only wish there hadn't been one as now I REALLY can't go out and express my true feelings at those who deserve it LOL History Hit and this 'professor' deserve scorn.
No, he simply is lacking expertise in the area and doesn't have staff to cover it either, a situation we could discuss in depth.
Being Polish, it's absolutely shocking and disgraceful how she interpret history. And her having a soviet flag along of little statue of Lenin on her desk is disgusting!!! These are not fun gadgets.
Oh the poor polish fascists. Oh boohoo.
As east german, i agreee
Womp womp
@@MfSDDThe GDR was better than the fascist hellhole of today, don't be crybaby
As an American, I really do wish that the Hammer and Sickle was considered as taboo as the swastika.
*sees title*
*frantically grabs popcorn*
This comment made me laugh
Mmmmm popcorn
Capitalism Shill Circus is always entertaining.
@@dankovskimark4540 talmudi person detected
@ ok
24:11 “Trans Caucasian”? We have a lot of those in America these days.
😂
That’s pretty funny, holy shit.
22:15 - everything she says from this point on is completely insane - she is 100% a soviet apologist. We're getting into 'My grandmother told me Cleopatra was black' territory. And this person is a PROFESSOR?
Yep this is the point where she wasn't even trying to hide it anymore. Only a full blown propagandist would actually make these claims.
This tells you all you need to know about current academia, doesn't it?
Obviously you don't know how history works. If a historian on World War is asked the question: "Were the Nazis White Supremacists?" And the historian answers "Yes, the Nazis believed that Whites were superior to Jews, Blacks, Roma, Slavs and other ethnicities and races," it seems Metatron and his comments section are going to go "OMG, this professor is insane and a Nazi!"
One does not have to believe in an ideology to tell you that it is what THEY believed. It is absolutely true that that is what THEY believed, and it can be cited chapter and verse, which is what actual historians do as opposed to RUclips streams who likely have never actually picked up a history book.
@@AdanALW Right, because that statue of Lenin and the commie flag was definitely planted there by AI, and not a deliberate choice of this woman.
And planty of us, here in this comment section had the misfortune to live through this sick system (me included) or live in the aftermath, so we know she is lying and putting a typical commie propaganda.
No books needed and we are tired of idiots saying socialism is not so bad, and trying to excuse all the lies.
@@AdanALW But the Nazis weren't even "White" supremacist in the way we use "White supremacism" today.
Slavs, Jews and even Roma are classified as "White" according to American views on race. They deplored them too, while propping up the Japanese as "Eastern Aryans", the Finns and Hungarians as "Uralic Aryans" despite having varying views on Hungarians. Hell, they even acknowledged Iranians as "Proto-Aryans" and held them in high regard despite modern views on race classifying them as "Brown". If they were unequivocally "White supremacists", they would hold the view that all Whites are superior to everyone else, which they did not - they were a lot more particular than your generic White supremacist.
Your example is wrong since it doesn't even represent reality. Second: that's not what the issue was with the video. She outright equivocated the Stalinist regime with all Western nations, despite the UK and France pulling strings and waging wars to free slaves in Africa - a very noble pursuit - while Russia was too busy butchering the Circassians at the time. Morality is a fickle thing, sure, but's it's very clear that the western part of the world was nowhere near as monstrous as the USSR.
It feels completely bizarre to be a millennial and be old enough to remember when posting positive propaganda about the ussr would be unheard of.
@30:12 : "it took many years to convince locals to be part of this new state" -- That's, like, the weirdest description of the Holodomor that I've ever heard.
Holodomor never existed, It was something invented by the nazis to stir the nationalist sentiment under soviet lands...Sorry not nazis...Heros of the nation of Ukraine.
she isn't describing the Holodomor
You mean "description of the non-existent myth"?
I dont think she is describing Hladomor with this one. She describes how soviets attacked and subjugated weaker countries around them. It takes a while until you murder enough people to make others obey.
Watch "Europa the last battle" 12h documentary. It explains everything and more. Cheers.
9:15 "Real Communism Has Never Been Tried Yet" ☭ "Real Gas Lighting Has Never Been Tried Yet" ⛽ 🔥
My great-grandfather died in Gulag after USSR occupation of Lithuania, he was an officer, his wife died from hunger to feed her 2 children, 1 boy and daughter they had to survive in the harshest Siberian climate, but in the end they returned to their homeland.
In Siberia?
That's horrible. At least they were able to leave and go back to their homeland eventually. But unfortunately there are probably millions of other families with similar stories, who I guess this lady just seems to ignore, or try to excuse as if they didn't happen
@@lucassmith1886There are not probably millions of other families with similar stories that you seem to ignore or try to excuse as if they didn't happen. History of black American families who lost an ancestor to slavery. History of families in the US colonies who lost an ancestor to colonial rule. History of families in colonial plantations who lost an ancestor due to the harsh living and working conditions. History of families who lost an ancestor in industrial capitalist Europe that granted no rights to workers. History of families who lost an ancestor during one of the many capitalist wars.
@@Maximilien1794 Who was talking about any of these? Whataboutism isn't an argument. Plus it's accepted that all you said happened, even if records don't survive, by sheer historical context. So you have no argument to dispute the numbers of lost victims to the gulags either. There are multiple survivor testimonies and they deserve the same respect as the other historical victims.
Plus why stop there? Black Americans, industrial workers....we know. Give some recognition to other unknown ones too. Millions of Armenians, Assyrians, Greeks the Turks genocided. Millions of Chinese who starved to death and we're murdered during the Great Leap Forward. Thousands of homosexuals in concentration camps. Millions under Ottoman occupation. Millions during both the Transatlantic and the Transaharan slave trade. Millions histories lost due to the Barbary slave traders. Millions under the Khmer Rouge. Who knows how many Oceania n Aborigines. And of course, many millions of Jews.
@@Maximilien1794this isn’t about that shut up with this whataboutism nonsense tankie
At least now I know why Metatron was so viciously attacked, thou shall never touch their sacred cow.
You never witnessed liberals attacking someone who said anything against capitalism, did you?
@ never.
What she is doing is the definition of gaslighting.
I guess so, her religion is Communism, so she whitewashes everything about the USSR.
No she isn't metatron and you all are just extremely ignorant about the USSR and eat up Eastern Euro revanchist mythmaking designed to forge a nationalist identity post-USSR which was done on the back of the double genocide myth and whitewashing Nationalist actions during the 1930s-40s (hence why Eastern Europe today loves it's Nazi collaborators and SS volunteers like the Forest brothers and OUN) and largely debunked cold war history with metatron literally spouting nonsense from The Black Book of Communism.
The opening of the Soviet archives and modern Soviet historiography is largely in line with what she is saying. Also Western biases are playing here where Westerners completely ignore what the west was doing at the same time to colonial subjects in the global south.
Gulags are actually a great example, statistically, they were nothing like what they are presented in the West, they were not death camps, most people in them were criminals, their population was high but mostly for short periods, lower imprisonment than the US today and they frankly look like summer camps compared to the actual colonial borderline death camps run by the West, in particular France had some real nasty ones the last that was shut in the 1970s. But do you hear about Western colonial labour camps? Nope.
If Soviet Eastern Europe was "colonization" then surely they were far more humane than Western colonization right? Doesn't that prove her point, that the USSR was not more evil than other countries at the time? Did Britain or France go around Africa giving people free modern apartments, univerties, hospitals and healthcare? Parks, theme park rides in parks, local cinemas, cultural palaces? Doesn't look like it.
People should read (or listen to the audiobook on RUclips) Stalin: critique of a black legend, it shows that even Stalin wasn't actually out of the norm when it came to atrocities of major powers at the time. When it comes to the USSR, people, including metatron have complete brainrot.
*I don't think these people even believe in it themselves* I think it's actually often the case, that they are very unwell, disturbed and depressed people, and rather than harming themselves like a lot of people sadly do when they are in this situation, they try to harm other people by promoting these ideologies.
Have you seen "The protocols of the learned elders of zion"? Pre-soviet russian text/document?
That's a hallmark of leftists. Always gaslight people and pretend their crap ideology is better and less destructive than it obviously is. Usually while denouncing any opposing ideologies as worse than they actually are.
This woman is lecturing at Kings College London? UK... Go figure. This woman describes our current political landscape very well.
Why do you support Ukraine? Why are you dumb and evil?
in the 80s there was a comedian who defected from the USSR. He used to joke that the USSR gave you just enough bread to make the sandwiches you ate while standing in line to get more bread. This lady is clearly a propagandist for centralized government.
Yakov Smirnoff? He's still touring and occasionally performing in Branson Missouri.
try being on a slave trade vessel bound for the US and then enslaved on a plantation.... before you try to pretend some countries are worse than others... i'm not saying i know who was the worst, but i'm not going to snow flake implode just because someone said 'no more evil than other countries'.
I liked the joke that under communism the state pretends to pay you while you pretend to work
The USA gave me no bread when I was hungry
@@GG-vm1rn the USA gave you access to the means to earn your bread.
As a Pole who's really passionate about my country's history it was really hard listeaning to some lady from the UK telling me "Yeah no those parents and grandparents of yours ? yeah they didn't have it that bad under the Russian tyrany. Get over yourself mate"
Academics in general have worrying tendencies towards downplaying the crimes of communist regimes. I remember reading one professor who downplayed the crimes of Stalin by referring to them as "executions" as opposed to murders for the case of Nazi Germany, because Stalin believed he was eliminating threats to his regime whereas Hitler killed people just for who they were. He conveniently seemed to forget that *every* government that commits mass murder believes it is doing so "for the good of the realm" and Stalin also killed millions "just for who they were" including members of numerous ethnic groups he persecuted, kulaks, and civil servants whose political views differed slightly from his.
@zwan6740 Siri what is Columbia University
They've also tried to say how great gulags were.
If that was his justification, then it was bullshit, but using "executions" alone isn't downplaying per se. We are still using "political prisoners", for example, not "political kidnapping victims". It's meant to convey the idea that someone was killed specifically for punishment, it says nothing about it being justified. I have heard cartel killings described as "executions", for example.
@@longiusaescius2537 What?
Academics have worrying tendencies to downplay the crimes of the British and American empires - far bloodier regimes than Soviet Union ever was.
“No the Soviet Union wasn’t poor.”
So that implies they starved and froze their own people to death for fun.
22:47
Im from Kazakhstan, a post-Soviet country, mostly the small amount of people that feel nostalgic about the USSR only feel that way because of the 90s. The 90s were a time of chaos, insane levels of crime, poverty, absolutele government corruption, stagnent wages and wage cuts, inflation, widening of the inequality, de-industrialisation and shock capitalism. Because of the absolute shock experienced and associated with the 90s, people tend to think that the 70s and 80s were much better then they actually were.
However, it's a unpopular opinion outside Russia, because pretty much no one is nostalgic for the time of living under the boot of Moscow
Yeah.. the 90s collapse which was CAUSED by the Soviet system. That also gets conveniently wiped from their memories. Not surprising since those who support such things rarely think in the wider terms of Cause & Effect.
What choice did Kazakhs have in 1920s? To live like Uyghurs in China? Or to live like Uzbeks and Tajiks in Afghanistan? There was USSR and Kazakhs got their country, just freaking be happy. If Kazakhstan would be occupied like Uyghurs by China would have NIL and sit in concentration camps.
Boot of Moscow when you have your own country now is better than boot of China. Uyghurs live under China and there are 8 million of them and they do not have their country.
@@malikamasimova7631 Қоя салшы Малика, ватноголовая дура
@@malikamasimova7631I don't think you are entitled to say to a Kazakh how they should feel about their own history. If you have historical arguments about what would have happened and how the way things went might have been a better choice than alternatives, then you should present them soberly and argue. Not that it's always necessary to pull out the "what if" because China is its own separate can of worms and the two communist regimes of the region collaborated, came to agreements and in general decided the course of events together, so you can't examine the issue of central Asia without taking into consideration both, and you didn't account for that.
PS If you wonder why Kazakhstan is so big on denuclearization, it's because the USSR turned it into a huge texting ground for their nuclear initiatives and polluted the shit out of it.
«...a very vibrant Crimean Tatar population, that also _get displaced_ ".
Nice euphemism to say deported.
she kinda made it sound like it was the germans who did it as well, not the soviets, really pushing soviet propaganda
@GiovanniPerini Italy was in Hitler coalition and had really fascists in power. Also, Italy committed genocide in Ethiopia. Compared to your country, USSR is an angel.
Crimean tatars were deported because Soviets were afraid Turkey would enter WWII and Crimean Tatars and other Muslim populations will be helping Turks. uS did the same and put Japanese and Germans in camps during WWII.
@@malikamasimova7631 why are you trying to justify a bad thing(deporting an ethnic group) by comparing it to another bad thing(imprisoning ethnic groups)?
@@malikamasimova7631Temporarily Imprisoning a population (which no one is defending here) is very different from sending an entire native population into exile, in which a large number of them perished, and then having their land colonized. They are not even comparable.
"Was the USSR communist?"
Well, the only political party allowed was the"Communist Party", sooo...
somewhere in the distance: "noooo, not real communism... lets try again"
They called them socialist. Communism was the Aim. Chrustov thought 1985 it could be reached.😅
She is absolutely right and Metatron is not - USSR was a constant strive for communism, and not a communist country.
And yes, I was actually born there, unlike all of you.
@@DubaiShortsChannel Well we are not in real Capitalism yet so you cant judge it.
Words from a man who lived thru 1927 to 2008 in Poland "I wish the facists would have won since at least they treated us as humans"
@@DubaiShortsChannel And I bet you were one of the people who benefitted from the state of affairs there. You, probably were NOT in the gulags...
One redditor seriously told me that food stamps in USSR were a good thing - free food. And if you want anything else, you can just go and buy it in the store. I laughed my ass off. Also he told me that less people died in GULAG than in UK prisons. Then it turned out he doesn’t know how percents work…
It took decades, to save enough money to buy a terrible car, years to get approval to purchase that terrible car, and another ten to fifteen years, before your car could be built, because their manufacturing was horrendous. Yes, they were poor.
Money was not that big of a problem, but the fact there was nothing to buy. You waited for the approval to buy a car and for it to be built even when you had the money.
Even grocery stores had empty shelves. I remember from the childhood that we needed coupons for foodstuff (so people wouldn’t buy more than allowed) and my mother swapped out vodka and cigarette coupons for sugar coupons so we could make more jam for the winter.
Then all you got was a Lada.
Then it fell apart
OK - this is a bit overblown. I was born in a communist state (not USSR). You can say cars where expensive for the average person but saving to get a car was far from decades. Financing the purchase was not an issue as there where also loans. The approval for my father took less than 6 month (even thou he has criminal record) and he was placed on a list to wait, I don't know how long he had to wait originally but soon after he got married and I was born so the waiting time was reduced to 18 months. He actually sold his placement to another person as he decided to buy a second had car instead of a new one. About how poor people where - this is quite subjective. As non party members and with some political criminals in my family we had 3 houses and an apartment + 2 cars. And my family was not especially wealthy or part of the ruling class. Engineers, accountants and teachers. When 1989 came, I had a bank account with the equivalent of about 8k USD ( I was 7 at that time), this was a fund created by my parents where they added some money each month so when I turn 18 i can have a good start in life. This was not the only family saving account. Too bad that due to inflation all the accounts turned to dust just for a few years after the democracy came.
Source: my dade booty while i was taking a shower with him.
She forgot to say that criminals were harsh guards of the prisoners. They could exercise their hate for the intellectuals, and take a revenge on proud nerds.
And they closed the comment section all together.
I can't even find the video 😂
Video is delisted, but the direct link is in the description
Very Soviet.
@@memewizard8372 Video is private now 😂
@@T2266 yeah they are a dumb history channel that makes small videos like that. They want the money flow so seeing all you absolute ahistorical monkeys losing your shit because she didn't call the ussr evil just made them avoid drama
I'm still conflicted about who has the dumbest ideas; flat earthers or communists.
My Ukrainian grandfather gave me a copy of the Gulag Archipelago when I was in my early teens. Almost forty years later and I still have little tolerance for pro-communist nonsense.
Yeah, and Archipelago Gulag is not a documentary proof, it’s a work of semi fiction: read stories, extrapolations and exaggerations and not based on factual information.
The gulag Archipelago is a fiction and no documents proof
@ sure comrade, of course a book based on actual historic events written during a time that simply whispering ant-Soviet sentiments would send you to the gulags doesn’t have any documented proof. Let’s just forget that hundreds of thousands of people have just disappeared mysteriously during that time and if they returned , they were shadows of themselves including members of my family. I guess they got the directions wrong for Ibiza and accidentally ended up in Siberia.
I don't like USSR, but that book is a work of fiction.
@ but it is the basis of all the proof that most people online use without knowing that it is a work of fiction
So, she's a tankie academic, basically. Big miss for History Hit.
They miss a lot lately.
I don't trust them anymore.
She's not a tankie. She is literally Russian
My eloquent comments disappear, so I will be short. The USSR was a scion of the Faustian spirit of Europe. Weep for the statues of Titus, of General Lee and of Lenin. Both 1789, 1945 and 1991 were a disaster for the European civilisation.
- Adûnâi
@@lenseclipse That's like saying every German will defend Nazism or every Japanese will be proud of the Imperial Administration.
This was painful to listen to. She did everything she could to make USSR sound like one of the good guys. Apologetic, indeed.
Imagine how painful it has been for me for the past decades to see the USA do it.
Yore fucking dogshit at history if you go by concepts like "good" and "bad" guys bro...
Well that would depend on what side you fall on, I could argue the “ good guys “ aren’t in the west either .
No, the good guys are the guys who had segregation intill 1950s and who invaded and committed genocide in Vietnam. These are the good guys. The good guys are Europeans, who built concentration camps for Jews, and who had human zoos up until 50s, the human zoos where good Europeans put black people in Africa.
Dont forget, Britain and the USA such as France fully supported the Sowjets.
Not "offered employment, but "demanded employment"
She definitely has a future in politics with her ability to dodge questions, downplay events, use logical fallacies, and to twist and manipulate the truth until it's unrecognizable.
How did she do that? Offer concrete examples of her "twisting the truth until its unrecognizable". You will find none. You are lying. You maybe dont even know it, because you are so used to the propagandist version of describing the USSR (and now Russia), that to hear objective descriptions without the added "commentary" (of the terrible unspeakable evilness) makes it sound "twisted" to you. Most people cant listen to objective descriptions of the USA for the same reason, just opposite - they feel like objective descriptions are unfair and they smear the USA, if they dont contain the "amazing beautiful democratic beacon of freedom and liberty" shtick.
She keeps saying they all had jobs, but what were the jobs paying? You can have a job and still be poor.
Workers and tradies made good money and had good benefits. Like my dad was an engineer and his salary was 125 rubles, a worker would make 500 rubies.
Yes like in USA and many other countrys
44:29 based on the stories my grandparents told, this is also a heavy understatement. Yes, you could listen to Free Europe when it wasn’t completely jammed, but if they caught you or someone reported you, then you could spend the next few years in the caring hands of the state. So if you were brave enough, you listened on minimum volume, with your ear on the speaker. There is a very good reason why Warsaw Pact radio receivers in the 50s/60s didn’t have a headphone connector.
I like radio free nonsense or radio free Nazi these days
Poland: why would two countries that don’t have boarders next to each other have a non-aggression pact?
No,there was food rationing even in 80ties as example sugar had been rationed.And in general, there was a shortage of many goods, it was even problematic to get a toilet paper.
Apprently Russia didn't have its first TP factory UNTIL the 80s. A Ukrainian guy who grew up in the 70s and 80s, but emigrated the the US in the 90s, tells great stories about the USSR on his channel 'Ushanka Show' and mentioned this lovely gem I think. It's fascinating.
that same thing happens in Venezuela and Cuba now. Probably in north korea too
Only sugar and butter in my city, although they could buy more on the black market with no problem. Then 1991 came, and that felt hard, and then 1992 with wars, real poverty, bread and water diet...
A friend and his wife came to America in the 80s. He was able to leave because his father in law had a lot of influence in the government. He was a butcher.
In capitalist countries there is also rationing. It's called high prices.
Fun fact about the gulags. It wasn't even just people who were a threat. If they needed laborers for a project, say the nickel mine in Norolisk, they would just set an arrest quota to get the workers they needed. Engineers, geologists, and miners would just get arrested for "treason" and sentenced to work for 15+ years. This ended in the late 30s, but it's important to know it wasn't just political disidents either.
Can you just hear how moronic you sound?
"Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it."
Thomas Sowell
It’s a chance to test out the verbal virtuosity Sowell attributed to those intellectuals.
I think he gives too much credit to some people
Id argue some services should be, such as police, fire and defence. I am also worried about the loss of jobs to automation, the amount of people that will be replaced in transport and logistics alone in the near future is worrying
@@nickbilske8140 I disagree, we've seen firsthand how state control of utilities & institutions has been a complete disaster.
Socialism was such a bad system that the living standards, life-expectancy, and every other measure of human flourishing dropped like a rock when the Soviet Union abandoned it and switched to capitalism. 🙄
Socialism is such a bad system that a country 30 times the size of Cuba is afraid to compete with it on the free market, hence the need for a blockade which not only prohibits Americans from doing business with Cuba but threatens to seize the assets of any other country that does as well. 🙄
If capitalism were a good system, it could compete on the free market without the need for blockades and coups to keep it in power. If on the other hand, it is a tool used by a ruling class more corrupt than has been seen since the days of two cities in Bible which can survive only by force and intimidation, it makes perfect sense that it relies on coups, rigged elections, programs like Operation Gladio in Italy and outright blockades.
History Hit rewrites their own history.
Real historians dont participate in these videos sadly but are busy writing books and digging throuch archives
Countries that have had the opportunity to sample both Soviets and Nazis Occupation, say that the Soviets are worse.
That may be true. But even I, as a German, will have to admit that the occupation of those countries was, thankfully, cut rather short in comparison to the one by the Soviets. I don't know how a decades long Nazi occupation would have looked, but it might not have been better by much, if at all.
No way was it worse
From the ones that I've spoken to, here also seems to be a sense of betrayal.
How could the country that liberated them from the Germans, treat them like this?
In a similar vein ... After the Vietnam war, the Soviets sent troops to Vietnam ... the locals referred to them as "Americans without money"
20:57
Boris Yeltsin, a prominent person in the communist party, soon to be Russia's first president, made a unplanned visit to a random supermarket in Texas in 1989. He was shocked to see such a insane amount of options for products available at the fingertips of everyone in the US. He even said no one in Moscow had such a variety of groceries to chose from. He was so shocked, he accused the Americans of faking all of this for propaganda. By the end the Soviet delegation came back with full shopping carts of food.
This was the in 1980s, a time concidered relatively decent in the USSR, you can imagine how awful it was in the worst of times.
To be fair, late 80s were a relatively bad times for the SU. Not 40s and early 50s by any stretch of the imagination, but SU peaked somewhere in the mid 70s, when the oil prices were high. It was eventually all downhill from there
@@grimwaltzmanrelatively bad can describe pretty much 40% of the USSRs existence, another 40% can be "awful" and another 20% is decent/good
In 1989, the Soviet economy was already in freefall.
Its "good times" ended in 1984-1985, after the oil prices had collapsed.
there is famous story have one of communist party members did faint after seeing have much u could buy in western store xD
So what? We still don't have the same stuff in European super markets than in the US. For example don't have the insane variety of sugary cereals with marshmallows and all kinds of shit. America on the other hand still doesn't have public healthcare that pretty much every other country has, including USSR and Cuba.
21:36 Gonna completely overlook the Holomodor is she???? Which has now been recognised as a Genocide to crush the Ukrainians under the Soviet boot.
Wrote the same thing! She doesn’t talk about it, because she doesn’t want her ideology to sound idiotic (which it is)
@ yupppp
Wanna hear a joke?
The Soviet Union
"The Soviet Union? It's just a myth! Can you imagine a bunch of soviets, trying to form a union?" Unknown Imperial City Guard, Cyrodil, 3rd era.
Dark humor is like food in the Soviet Union.
Not everybody is going to get it.
The F in communism is for Food.
NOICE
@@immikeurnotand even if they do, it might not agree with them 😂
How disgusting is it they feel comfortable putting the flag of mass genocide in the video
Long live to the workers movement! And communism!
The Hammer & Sickle flag is as bad, if not worse than the Swastika flag of 30s-40s Germany.
@frankmueller2781 worse
That would be american flag, litteral nazi state with succesfull lebenstraum project
I only saw the Soviet flag, not the USA flag.
Ask a commie a question, get a commie answer 🤷♀️
Their channel should be called “History Hit or Miss”
The amount of spin she's using could generate her own gravitational field.
Agree with the sentiment but...I don't think spinning generates gravitational fields.
@@eewweeppkk One way to generate artificial gravity is the idea of a space station that rotates at a set speed, depending upon the level of gravity desired. SO actually, spinning CAN be used to create artificial gravity. Keyword being artificial. :)
Truer words have never been spoken.
@@darthdonkulous1810 I know that getting this deep into it is autistic as heck but that doesn't actually produce gravity or a gravitational field, it just makes the station seem like it has gravity by applying a centrifugal force to the stuff in it.
@@eewweeppkk Absolutely correct!
Still... I called it artificial for a reason lol
Went to look at the comments myself and sure enough, the video is deleted. Never existed, never happened, cant prove it. How very fitting.
It is there for me. Use the link in the description of this video. The comments are now turned off.
I don't understand people like you. People are allowed to retract things when they realize they made a mistake. Especially for a channel that is interested in academic integrity.
@@Mrtheunnameable Hiding a mistake is fine. But not taking accountability for it is a bit weird.
No food shortages in Soviet Union? What about great famine of 1930-1933? Famine in Ukraine, "Holodomor" in 1932-1933? This lady is insane.
There was no famine. The New York Times said there wasn't.
/sarc of course
Во Львове в тот же период голодомор тоже русские устроили?
She mentioned the famines. Did you listen? And during 1930-1933 the famines were also in Poland, and in the US. I didn't know that the Soviets were so powerful at that time and did this in the US
In the later years of the Soviet Union, they often survived thanks to Canadian and US-ian grain.
@@ВаряТрифонова-б6ю а ты дыд лысен, что тут вся эта помечная ахинея направлена на одно: очернить, демонизировать, расчеловечить русских?
не было _голодомора_ на Украине. был ГОЛОД. вызванный объективными причинами, а не мифической кровожадностью "совков"
вас напичкали русофобской чернушной, фактически нацистской пропагандой, вы всё тут от счастья и питаетесь кипятком: вон они, орки, вот они! Не то что мы, цивилизованный западный мир!
и про переселение крымских татар и чеченов язык стёрли, обвиняя русских в жестокости.
а тебя в школе не учили, ПОЧЕМУ руководство СССР к таким мерам прибегло, а?
It should be illegal everywhere in the world to celebrate fascism and communism, like in Slovakia.
*Instructions unclear. Accidentally committed genocide*
You mean when English moved to the US, accidentally committed genocide of natives in Americas?
These people keep using the same recipe for decades and the cake is always awfull. I wonder why they dont change it?
@@malikamasimova7631 To be fair, most of the american indigenous people that died in the colonisation era, did so because of the sucesive waves of deseases we brought with us, and against wich they had no defenses........And this was almost absolutely unintentional (although very convinient for the colonists).
Indeed, most of them ( up to 90%, depending of who you ask) kicked the bucket, before they had even the CHANCHE of seeing a white man showing up in the horizon, lusting for women, land, and whatever valuable thing or resources they may have.....
Would they have k*lled all this people the "traditional" way, if the deseases hadn`t done the job previously? Hell yeah! But fact is, they didn`t need to. They just had to deal with the survivors of a post-apocaliptic scenario that had not yet recovered from what they probably thought was the end of the world.........
KGB still operates in russia, but it got renamed to FSB.
CIA still operates in US, it did not even change it name
@@bronicage5666 and...?
@@bronicage5666comparing the CIA and the KGB is dumb
@@achmahnsch Yeah, CIA is worse.
@ spoken like a true moron.
Please, the amount of murder the KGB was committing on their own population makes everything the CIA did look like a school project. Before speaking absolute garbage you should do some research. Because I can’t think of a n American version of the gulags and when the CIA was mass deporting political enemies of the state
As someone born in the USSR in the 80, and lived in a big city, I can tell you from personal experience that I would go to the store to buy milk and bread and the shelves were empty!
And then you did what? Go to the market and buy meat and vegetables there? I remember the 1980s as well, it was not that bad until 1990-91, then it was bad indeed. In 1992-93 there were all foreign foods, but no money by that time.
She must be a graduate of the Hasan Piker school of never answering the question you actually asked.
Now we just need to get her in a “debate” and see if she picked up on Hamas Piker’s special talent of insulting your opponent as soon as you get triggered.
That "propfessor" used some dodgy and manipulative terms.
She's in denial.
She's dishonest.
Is she a historian or Stalin's lawyer? Unbelievable.
9:38 people were communists but the state never reached communizm, simple analogy- 4 of your buddies tried to build a cabin in the woods but drop the projekt after 20% completion, were they cabin builders? -yes. Was cabin build? No.