Thanks for the video. I used a different method when I upgraded my 415+ to the 923+: I just moved all drives to the new NAS. Next step was to change the drives one by one and restore the SHD. Main advantage was that my NAS was online the whole time (which is important as I’m using is for my surveillance cameras)
I've actually been thinking about mapping my folders for Documents and Downloads and all that to a NAS just to maintain consistency. Glad to know others have been successful with it!
The DS1821+ is such an amazing piece of hardware. A 4-core Zen1 CPU from 2017 along with massive 4GB of RAM and it even has Gigabit Ethernet, just like the Diskstation DS408 from 2008. It's amazing what you can get for >1000$ in 2024.
I know, it's so backwards. People are spending ridiculous amounts on a low spec NAS with vendor lock-in for drives, to then add huge amounts of RAM to use it as a home server for containers and VMs..with NAS capabilities. Just build/buy a small home server and use it as a server.. with NAS capabilities.
Would love a video on your Home Assistant setup on the NAS. I've always wanted to put my HA on my Synology, but am just to nervous about issues with the Zigbee dongle and IoT network isolation issues (with the NAS both needing to be on my isolated 'server'-network AND the IoT network. So a guide from you on that setup would be great! :)
Great video, just one tip: you cannot skip the "create a new volume" on the new nas as the nas needs a working volume to install apps from the package manager!
I was just setting up a new nas for a client and used those same 12gb Seagate drives and 3 of 5 drives were bad out of the box. Got replacements and one of them was bad too. Sent them all back and went western digital.
@CrosstalkSolutions if your old Synology volume was setup with SHR all you really had to do was remove your old drives and put them in the new Synology which it would detect your old drive setup and migrate it into the new Synology. To upgrade the drives if you were using SHR on the old NAS you can switch out the old drives 1 or 2 at time depending on your SHR level until you have all 12TB installed.
Why not use your old NAS as local backup? I have 3 synologys, 2 local and one remote. I use snapshot replication between the two local synologys. Then hyper backup to the remote.
I agree with this setup, other than the NVME caching. Lots of horror stories of people having issues in the long run with it. I'd probably use them as a storage pool if they are used for anything.
Regarding the meaning of "3-2-1 backups",.does that mean 3 COPIES of the data or 3 BACKUPS (i.e. 4 total copies)? You say you're not meeting 3-2-1 for all your important data, but that's only if you interpret it as 3 total backups, with 2 backups on two different media, and one off site. Which to me as actually more like 4-3-1 instead of 3-2-1.
You are correct. Every interpretation of that rule I've seen is specifying that you have 3 COPIES of your data, not 3 backups which imo would be excessive lol. Seems many people do have different opinions on what the spirit of each of those those steps mean though, so I'm not surprised he's confusing it
I canceled the Migration Wizard, and now I want to migrate again. But it says the source server is currently migrating, which it's not. I checked the Task Scheduler on the source server, and there's nothing running. I'm not sure what to do.
Great video, thank you. Would love to see a migration assistance video from two different systems vs Synology to Synology. In my case I have two of the new UGreen NAS units (great hardware for the price, especially for those who bought during Kickstarter). Thinking of getting a Synology or QNAP unit and curious what is the best way to migrate the different brands.
Question about how the 2 NAS were connected, was it just a single ethernet direct connection? Or did you just simply plug it into your network in a switch with no changes?
You do not need a second cable to put VM's on a vlan network you could do vlanlan tagging I have done this all you need to do is go to the virtual machine manger and click add and assign the VLAN tag then assign that VM to that network then it is on the other network without a second cable plus you want to disable all management interfaces off the second nic so the system does not get confused only do this if you have nic bonding setup
I use the same RAM in my 1821+. The only problem is if you ever need help from Synology support they will blame whatever issue you're having on the unsupported RAM, so have to remove it first and re-install stick that came with it.
use the 1520 as a Hyperbackup server? adds to your back up redundancy. do the first (primary) while on the same network, pay family members/friends to keep it their place (for power and internet), save your Backblaze costs
You don’t want to sync to Backblaze, you want to use Hyperbackup. Sync does not protect from ransomware or disk corruption as encrypted/corrupt files will replicate that way.
Thank so much for the informative video Can you explain why did you consider upgrading instead of using an NAS expansion? Is it because ur original NAS has no expansion port ?
Why 12GB and not 20GB? The RAM issues indicate a deviation from your own advice. The primary NAS configuration concerns revolve around disk and RAM, followed by CPU and network considerations. Do any of the Unify devices support 10G, or is that a future consideration since there was no additional cost? I've also accounted for that. How do you effectively work from home if your folders are mapped to a local NAS? It doesn't seem very flexible, and granting remote access poses security risks. Implementing weekly backups or background backups to a folder using Windows Backup, or even leveraging Xcopy, which is often undervalued as a mirroring tool, could mitigate these concerns effectively. When used with the /mir switch, Xcopy will copy all files from the source to the destination and delete any files in the destination that do not exist in the source
Just curious if you have ever looked at the Glacier Backup app for Synology for your cloud backup strategy? Thank you for all the great videos, love your channel.
Does it complain at all about the Crucial RAM? Heard folk saying when not using the official Synology RAM they get alarms etc from the DS all the time.
Out of curiosity, why did you go to an entirely new NAS instead of just adding the expansion unit?? A 1520 allows a total of 15 drives, it has an eSATA port on the back to connect the expansion unit.
The expansion unit is ridiculously expensive, almost as much as a nas. Best to buy a more capable (for values of capable, but it's Synology, so expectations are not set high) nas, and use the old one for backup
Isn't easyer to stuff data to Synology from PC and than HB to external drive and remote NAS with versioning? You may later reuse old nas for remote backup, just replace few drives with bigger, right?😊
I strongly disagree to attaching the USB disk to the NAS to cover the two different "media" part of the 3-2-1 strategy. Here is why: with attachting the disk to the synology, you basically make them "one". If a power surge happens, it most likely will toast all of it. If some "bad" stuff happens, like malware encrypting the synology, the disk will be affected as well. If some "kernel" bug happens around the filesystem for example, it will also destroy both copies most likely. I would recommend to either put the external disk on a separate system, maybe just a raspi or so, receiving data every now and then, or stick to the "plug me in directly" external harddrive.
@@ctjohnk not for me, as for example the UPS itself could cause it. For me it's more or less like a raid - just another disk in the same box. It's not a bad thing, just doesn't fulfill the requirements. But again, purely my opinion.
Yes but only when you expand later. If all drive slots are full you can replace a disk with a higher capacity (You will need to replace all tolerance + 1 disk to get more space)
Hey, would you happen to be selling the 1520+? It’s the last generation with intel quick sync and I’ve been looking to upgrade but quick sync is something i need.
True, but i treat the synology as infrastructure, so I’m not often messing with it directly and just like to have it chugging along in the background. Adding another machine to the mix is… not something i really wanna do tbh.
@@BoraHorzaGobuchul my understanding has always been that 1 of the copies IS the original/live data. Per Veeam guide: Maintain three copies of your data: This includes the original data and at least two copies. By that logic only his user profile redirection does not obide by the 3-2-1 rule.
I don't like Synology because they are trying too hard to lock you into their own products. For warranty claims, you must have Synology hard drives, Synology memory modules, Synology network card, etc. I don't like QNAP because of the hacking issues. This is sad for al consumers because both Synology and QNAP are companies that make reliable products. They are just trying too hard to be like Apple Inc.
Lies, thats not how it works, they still have to give you the legal warranty disregarding what you changed or which drives you put in. Even “voiding stickers” don’t void warranty.
Synology is 2-3 the price it should be. Just maybe get some larger drives. Hey they make 16tb hd now. Huge waste of money. Asustor has great nas only they are half the cost and x4 the amount of ram, but they use a more modern cpu. Very bad!
The Problem is the following, those are NAS, and you can expect them to last decades, but synology recently has stopped supporting some of their NAS, only 15 years old ... defeating the purpose of a NAS... I have given up on them because of this, Cloud is actually a better deal because of their decisions.
And let's be clear, it would be a little cost for Synology to recompile DMS for those early products they released. Ignoring their 5 disks Raid (high end back then) is a brand killer. The lack of DMS recompile for some of Synology NAS makes it a long-term hazardous solution.
I don't see myself using the same NAS hardware in 15 years, so not an issue for me - I'll have upgraded by that time. Cloud cannot be a better deal because for large amount of data, it's way more expensive, and it's not local, and it's not under your control. If you don't like S's approach, you can always build your own NAS, then you can be sure of it's longevity
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I migrated from a 1520+ to an 1821+ about 6 months ago... now the 1520+ is in a different building and my backup system for the 1821+. Love Synology!
Thanks for the video.
I used a different method when I upgraded my 415+ to the 923+: I just moved all drives to the new NAS.
Next step was to change the drives one by one and restore the SHD.
Main advantage was that my NAS was online the whole time (which is important as I’m using is for my surveillance cameras)
I've actually been thinking about mapping my folders for Documents and Downloads and all that to a NAS just to maintain consistency. Glad to know others have been successful with it!
The DS1821+ is such an amazing piece of hardware. A 4-core Zen1 CPU from 2017 along with massive 4GB of RAM and it even has Gigabit Ethernet, just like the Diskstation DS408 from 2008.
It's amazing what you can get for >1000$ in 2024.
lol
It’s the software, stupid :-).
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" massive 4GB of RAM" BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!
I know, it's so backwards.
People are spending ridiculous amounts on a low spec NAS with vendor lock-in for drives, to then add huge amounts of RAM to use it as a home server for containers and VMs..with NAS capabilities.
Just build/buy a small home server and use it as a server.. with NAS capabilities.
I absolutely give Synology props with how user friendly and feature rich DSM is but dayum is the HW wildly expensive for the price.
Would love a video on your Home Assistant setup on the NAS. I've always wanted to put my HA on my Synology, but am just to nervous about issues with the Zigbee dongle and IoT network isolation issues (with the NAS both needing to be on my isolated 'server'-network AND the IoT network. So a guide from you on that setup would be great! :)
A caveat is that the Migration Assistant is not capable of migrating from e.g EXT4 to BTRFS
Good all disaster and recovery! Recovery of functionality is very important.
Great video, just one tip: you cannot skip the "create a new volume" on the new nas as the nas needs a working volume to install apps from the package manager!
I was just setting up a new nas for a client and used those same 12gb Seagate drives and 3 of 5 drives were bad out of the box. Got replacements and one of them was bad too. Sent them all back and went western digital.
@CrosstalkSolutions if your old Synology volume was setup with SHR all you really had to do was remove your old drives and put them in the new Synology which it would detect your old drive setup and migrate it into the new Synology. To upgrade the drives if you were using SHR on the old NAS you can switch out the old drives 1 or 2 at time depending on your SHR level until you have all 12TB installed.
Why not use your old NAS as local backup? I have 3 synologys, 2 local and one remote. I use snapshot replication between the two local synologys. Then hyper backup to the remote.
wow, jsut wow. this video was really really good. keep up the good work!!
I agree with this setup, other than the NVME caching. Lots of horror stories of people having issues in the long run with it. I'd probably use them as a storage pool if they are used for anything.
Regarding the meaning of "3-2-1 backups",.does that mean 3 COPIES of the data or 3 BACKUPS (i.e. 4 total copies)? You say you're not meeting 3-2-1 for all your important data, but that's only if you interpret it as 3 total backups, with 2 backups on two different media, and one off site. Which to me as actually more like 4-3-1 instead of 3-2-1.
You are correct. Every interpretation of that rule I've seen is specifying that you have 3 COPIES of your data, not 3 backups which imo would be excessive lol. Seems many people do have different opinions on what the spirit of each of those those steps mean though, so I'm not surprised he's confusing it
I canceled the Migration Wizard, and now I want to migrate again. But it says the source server is currently migrating, which it's not. I checked the Task Scheduler on the source server, and there's nothing running. I'm not sure what to do.
Great video, thank you. Would love to see a migration assistance video from two different systems vs Synology to Synology. In my case I have two of the new UGreen NAS units (great hardware for the price, especially for those who bought during Kickstarter). Thinking of getting a Synology or QNAP unit and curious what is the best way to migrate the different brands.
I love my DS1618, I did the same thing.. maxed out the ram, and put a PCI SFP+ adapter for 10Gbit.
I would appreciate a video for the Backblaze setup on your Synology.
Question about how the 2 NAS were connected, was it just a single ethernet direct connection? Or did you just simply plug it into your network in a switch with no changes?
You do not need a second cable to put VM's on a vlan network you could do vlanlan tagging I have done this all you need to do is go to the virtual machine manger and click add and assign the VLAN tag then assign that VM to that network then it is on the other network without a second cable plus you want to disable all management interfaces off the second nic so the system does not get confused only do this if you have nic bonding setup
I use the same RAM in my 1821+. The only problem is if you ever need help from Synology support they will blame whatever issue you're having on the unsupported RAM, so have to remove it first and re-install stick that came with it.
use the 1520 as a Hyperbackup server? adds to your back up redundancy. do the first (primary) while on the same network, pay family members/friends to keep it their place (for power and internet), save your Backblaze costs
You don’t want to sync to Backblaze, you want to use Hyperbackup. Sync does not protect from ransomware or disk corruption as encrypted/corrupt files will replicate that way.
Hi, I have issue with the adding of storage.
Thank so much for the informative video
Can you explain why did you consider upgrading instead of using an NAS expansion? Is it because ur original NAS has no expansion port ?
These are VERY expensive 800 GB NVME drives and 10G nics. For business, is the usual, but for home use?
I’m using the same unit and my homeassistant keeps dropping network connection. Can you do a video on how you set yours up from the start?
why not just use the DX517 to extend your storage?
Can you say something about the power consumption in idle?
Why 12GB and not 20GB? The RAM issues indicate a deviation from your own advice. The primary NAS configuration concerns revolve around disk and RAM, followed by CPU and network considerations. Do any of the Unify devices support 10G, or is that a future consideration since there was no additional cost? I've also accounted for that.
How do you effectively work from home if your folders are mapped to a local NAS? It doesn't seem very flexible, and granting remote access poses security risks. Implementing weekly backups or background backups to a folder using Windows Backup, or even leveraging Xcopy, which is often undervalued as a mirroring tool, could mitigate these concerns effectively.
When used with the /mir switch, Xcopy will copy all files from the source to the destination and delete any files in the destination that do not exist in the source
Just curious if you have ever looked at the Glacier Backup app for Synology for your cloud backup strategy? Thank you for all the great videos, love your channel.
Does it complain at all about the Crucial RAM? Heard folk saying when not using the official Synology RAM they get alarms etc from the DS all the time.
Worked fine.
Nice overview! Could you also do a video on how you handle data security/encryption?
Out of curiosity, why did you go to an entirely new NAS instead of just adding the expansion unit?? A 1520 allows a total of 15 drives, it has an eSATA port on the back to connect the expansion unit.
DS1520+ doesn't support 10Gbps.
The expansion unit is ridiculously expensive, almost as much as a nas. Best to buy a more capable (for values of capable, but it's Synology, so expectations are not set high) nas, and use the old one for backup
@@CrosstalkSolutions ahhh, ok fair enough.
Isn't easyer to stuff data to Synology from PC and than HB to external drive and remote NAS with versioning? You may later reuse old nas for remote backup, just replace few drives with bigger, right?😊
it's much easier to move the drives wholesale from old nas to new nas, then slowly replace the drives.
I strongly disagree to attaching the USB disk to the NAS to cover the two different "media" part of the 3-2-1 strategy. Here is why: with attachting the disk to the synology, you basically make them "one". If a power surge happens, it most likely will toast all of it. If some "bad" stuff happens, like malware encrypting the synology, the disk will be affected as well. If some "kernel" bug happens around the filesystem for example, it will also destroy both copies most likely. I would recommend to either put the external disk on a separate system, maybe just a raspi or so, receiving data every now and then, or stick to the "plug me in directly" external harddrive.
Would a UPS on the NAS solve the surge concern?
@@ctjohnk not for me, as for example the UPS itself could cause it. For me it's more or less like a raid - just another disk in the same box. It's not a bad thing, just doesn't fulfill the requirements. But again, purely my opinion.
Great video, thanks!
so if all drives are the same size, does SHR provide any advantage?
Yes but only when you expand later. If all drive slots are full you can replace a disk with a higher capacity (You will need to replace all tolerance + 1 disk to get more space)
So you’re running low on storage…. And instead of just replacing some drives, there was the opportunity to do some Synology marketing :-(.
Hey, would you happen to be selling the 1520+? It’s the last generation with intel quick sync and I’ve been looking to upgrade but quick sync is something i need.
A half decent mini PC will be a better transcoding-capable media server than a Synology, so I wouldn't lose any sleep over it
True, but i treat the synology as infrastructure, so I’m not often messing with it directly and just like to have it chugging along in the background. Adding another machine to the mix is… not something i really wanna do tbh.
suggesting unraid...not locked in with any hardware - easy to upgrade and again with docker and virtual machines
Did you use BTRFS or EXT4?
Virtual machine manager won't work of you use ext4, so brfrs is the way to go
@@dwazeke That's good to know, any real downsides to btrfs?
@@erichubbard7754on Synology - not really
I have the same Nas and mine runs perfect with 2 X 32 GB of RAM
Great video. I do miss the old theme music. But great video nonetheless.
why don't you build a Nas?
30 tb these days is like my 180 k floppy from the 80's just go bigger
Backup is never enough =)) we just trying to lower the chance of dataloss
Wait. How is Windows PC not 3-2-1?
Yeah, it's 3 copies of data, not 3 backups :)
@@BoraHorzaGobuchul my understanding has always been that 1 of the copies IS the original/live data.
Per Veeam guide: Maintain three copies of your data: This includes the original data and at least two copies.
By that logic only his user profile redirection does not obide by the 3-2-1 rule.
OK, fine, I'll stop putting off my Synology upgrade.
I don't like Synology because they are trying too hard to lock you into their own products. For warranty claims, you must have Synology hard drives, Synology memory modules, Synology network card, etc. I don't like QNAP because of the hacking issues. This is sad for al consumers because both Synology and QNAP are companies that make reliable products. They are just trying too hard to be like Apple Inc.
Lies, thats not how it works, they still have to give you the legal warranty disregarding what you changed or which drives you put in. Even “voiding stickers” don’t void warranty.
Still on windoz?...that's sad!
Synology is 2-3 the price it should be. Just maybe get some larger drives. Hey they make 16tb hd now. Huge waste of money. Asustor has great nas only they are half the cost and x4 the amount of ram, but they use a more modern cpu. Very bad!
Pihole vs Piehole.
This is not necessary. Just move the drives and you’ll save yourself days. This appears to be just a video to advertise for synology. #ad
Gibberish comment about scam fiscal shite on a video about nas stuff.
Overpriced Synology junk
The Problem is the following, those are NAS, and you can expect them to last decades, but synology recently has stopped supporting some of their NAS, only 15 years old ... defeating the purpose of a NAS... I have given up on them because of this, Cloud is actually a better deal because of their decisions.
And let's be clear, it would be a little cost for Synology to recompile DMS for those early products they released. Ignoring their 5 disks Raid (high end back then) is a brand killer.
The lack of DMS recompile for some of Synology NAS makes it a long-term hazardous solution.
I don't see myself using the same NAS hardware in 15 years, so not an issue for me - I'll have upgraded by that time. Cloud cannot be a better deal because for large amount of data, it's way more expensive, and it's not local, and it's not under your control.
If you don't like S's approach, you can always build your own NAS, then you can be sure of it's longevity
a nas is a nas is a nas, lots of ways to accomplish the same thing. Today's video like is purely for that dark mode t-shirt 🙂