Oh man.. some people dont understand that the important thing is not the equipment,its your embrochure: when u are a classical player and you play a jazzy mouthpiece, u just have a bright classical sound! It's you, who plays the instrument and not the mouthpiece or smth like that :)
Using the classical setup to play jazz kind of reminds me of putting higher gauge strings on a guitar or maybe even using flatwounds and playing saturated fusion-y legato stuff. As you go up in string gauge you get a stronger more focused fundamental but deaden liveliness/overtones and response and it becomes more difficult to execute certain techniques
Awesone video. Will be using this video with my students to help distinguish the difference between jazz and classical playing. I believe you nail the differences and explain it the same way I do or would when asked the question.
Yeah make sure you clarify that is all embouchure and voicing. Even the video creator has a great jazz sound on his classical mouthpiece because he knows how to make the switch.
TODAY, I learned. Had no idea there was such a difference or even that you had two different mouthpiece styles for jazz and classical. Thanks of for the lil bit of education, man!
1:35 i heard it before but I’m not sure, I’d say it’s from « a night in Tunisia » the intro to Charlie Parker’s solo in the jazz at Massey hall quintet Edit: nvm I went back too listen and it wasn’t the right one, I’ve heard it a thousand times and can’t remember where it’s from, guess I found what to do tonight Edit 2: I’ve realized I skip too much of the song in Spotify to then realize that that’s not the intro to the solo, but instead the part that you play after the first time you play the theme, so I’d say I’m like 20% correct for naming the right peice
Theo Wanne created the best classical mouthpiece available. He made it to BEAT the Selmer Concept!!! It's called the Theo Wanne Elements Series - Water Alto piece. It's amazing.
Thanks for talking about the voicing difference! As a classical clarinetist trying to teach sax, I am teaching the "E" tongue position by default... but I was wondering if I was just teaching clarinet embouchure instead true saxophone embouchure... so thanks for validating me! ;-P
Saxologic could u play "roaming the waste" (Xenoblade chronicles 2 title them from Mor Ardain) id really appreciate it also if u mind putting the notes in the description I really struggle doing it by myself -__- thanks
3:20 I wonder if your response problems would go away if you put the reed down more instead of having it poke out from the mouthpiece. Put the tip of the reed in the middle of the thickness of the top of the mouthpiece bite or under. This with a ligature not so tight will improve your response. Love you dude.
A person I know you already ordered the mouthpiece, but in the future if you’re looking for new equipment your best choice is to try them in person. I have a Vandoren V16 A8, but I really wished I had tried Meyers, ottolinks, Berge Larson’s, etc. But none the less a Meyer 6M is a great mouthpiece, hope you enjoy it
Excellent video. Thanku. Do u agree that many of the old greats used to use a combination of Jazz/classical embochoure. Good examples being Getz, Young, Desmond and Simms......
Hello saxologic, I am a sax player looking for some assistance with music theory, arranging, my sax, flute, and clarinet playing, and all my scales. My goal is to be a great musician by college. I seen some of your videos and you seem very experienced in this field. If possible could you give me some pointers?
Love your teaching style man! I'm needing some help double-tongueing on some classical passages, as an old jazz-guy doubler who never had sax lessons and now drafted into teaching at a music school. Please help!
It's interesting to analyze the difference between the music genres when there are intersections between instruments. For example the upright bass also has to be set up differently and the right hand technique is kind of the opposite. Even though it's the same instrument and when you listen, you recognize that it's the same instrument, nevertheless the genre imposes its own rules.
What reeds do you play on for both setups? I too use a Selmer Concept and it’s AMAZING. I pair it with a 2.5 Vandoren V12 And for Jazz NY Meyer 7 w/ V16 2.5 reeds.
What do you (anyone who sees this comment) think of the Jody Jazz Alto HR* Custom Dark mouthpiece? It has a big chamber and as the name suggests a dark sound. I think Jody Espina said it is a mouthpiece for jazz, but is this not contradicting?
im very upset. i play bari for my school jazz band, and yesterday we were supposed to get our jazz mouthpieces (we'd been playing on classical ones up until now) but my ligature didn't fit on it. So my teacher just said "we'll get you a fitting ligature by the end of the summer." so now i think im really behind because i think the transition from classical to jazz mouthpieces is pretty severe. Am I overreacting, or is the change really as bad as i'm told? how can i still try to get used to the jazz mouthpiece before i have it?
What a lot of people are for getting in classical music from about the 40/50s saxophone do not exist in classical music so no point in learning classic with a sax, just learn to play the sax. It's ok to learn classical but make up your mind to switch in the future
THANK YOU. Wow. I feel dumb now, I thought the mouth peice thing was a scam. Of course I know it makes a difference, but I kept telling myself it's the saxophonist not the sax.... damn.
What reeds do you use for both genres? I’ve been using d’addario reserve 3.0+, but I find that I’m only getting 3/4 useable reeds, even with a reed geek. For jazz, I’ve used d’addario select jazz 3.5 filed, mostly cause I just like them better than vandorens.
Zi Ruini I highly recommend trying something else! Though the C star really isn’t that terrible of a choice for jazz, since it seems to cut KIND of well.
Hey so there’s mouthpiece specifically for jazz and mouthpieces specifically for classical? Is it still possible to play jazz with a classical mouthpiece though?
1:46 "A Night in Tunisia" by Dizzy Gillespie or alternatively "And The Melody Still Lingers On" by Chaka Khan. Ironically enough while watching this video and hearing that I had just switched over from a tab where I had ruclips.net/video/XIkDerCfpwo/видео.html video pulled up.
You can get a jazzy sound no matter what setup you have - even a classical mp + reed. You’re just better off with certain serious corresponding to what your goal sound is.
I'm from India and I had no clue about the mouthpiece difference and was constantly being shat on by my local jazz club musicians for a bad tone, I use a 4c, there arent many options in here, could you list a cheap/good mouthpiece because i cant go and see it at a store and choose for myself, Help please!
I read that most classical mouthpieces have large chambers in order to achieve a dark sound, whilst jazz mpcs have smaller chambers to speed up the air flow and achieve a brighter sound. This is the opposite of what you said here. Which is it?
It is two totally different disciplines. If you're not doing classical everyday, a player has no idea. If you're not improvising everyday you will have no clue.
Yeah, but I think you could love classic sax only if you’ve tried and studied only that. Playing sax in that way it’s like using a Ferrari like a tractor
Imagine having 100 volume when he was talking low and when he played his note on the Alto at 1:07. . .
LOL my bad
Not it’s not your fault mine for not knowing, and wierd for me trying to okay this in Bari Sax
MY EARS!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the warning....
thanks for the heads up omg
Dang...I spent 7 years playing saxophone and no one told me about anchor tongue or the difference between jazz and classical embouchures. Thanks man.
Thanks for tongue reveal
Oh man.. some people dont understand that the important thing is not the equipment,its your embrochure: when u are a classical player and you play a jazzy mouthpiece, u just have a bright classical sound! It's you, who plays the instrument and not the mouthpiece or smth like that :)
Yes of course! But you’re also not gonna see Claude Delangle playing on a Meyer or Jody Jazz mouthpiece haha
@@Saxologic yes.. that is true
That tune is from “A Night in Tunisia”, from Dizzy Gillespie! that’s cool, I used to listen to that on the daily haha
I thought it was Blue Rondo a La Turk
YEP CORRECT ✅
The tune is definitely night in tunesia
Honestly, I liked your focused jazz sound that came from your legit mouthpiece. You just never know. Gotta blow through tons of mouthpieces.
Using the classical setup to play jazz kind of reminds me of putting higher gauge strings on a guitar or maybe even using flatwounds and playing saturated fusion-y legato stuff. As you go up in string gauge you get a stronger more focused fundamental but deaden liveliness/overtones and response and it becomes more difficult to execute certain techniques
I guess the jazz sax cover R&B ,rock .latin etc… Paul Desmond to Kenny Garret
Awesone video. Will be using this video with my students to help distinguish the difference between jazz and classical playing. I believe you nail the differences and explain it the same way I do or would when asked the question.
Will Reyes Great dude I’m honored!
Yeah make sure you clarify that is all embouchure and voicing. Even the video creator has a great jazz sound on his classical mouthpiece because he knows how to make the switch.
Love the tongue action!
Lmaoo
haha i knew 1:34 right from the solo that it was night in tunisia thanks to middle school jazz band :)
Could you do a video on sound development and how that's different between classical and jazz?
dnickdude Sure I can get to it!
@@Saxologic Thanks I appreciate it!
I looked in the comments to find the song and when I saw it I heard it sound familiar, realized by band teacher showed us Night in Tunisia.
TODAY, I learned. Had no idea there was such a difference or even that you had two different mouthpiece styles for jazz and classical. Thanks of for the lil bit of education, man!
1:35 i heard it before but I’m not sure, I’d say it’s from « a night in Tunisia » the intro to Charlie Parker’s solo in the jazz at Massey hall quintet
Edit: nvm I went back too listen and it wasn’t the right one, I’ve heard it a thousand times and can’t remember where it’s from, guess I found what to do tonight
Edit 2: I’ve realized I skip too much of the song in Spotify to then realize that that’s not the intro to the solo, but instead the part that you play after the first time you play the theme, so I’d say I’m like 20% correct for naming the right peice
Theo Wanne created the best classical mouthpiece available. He made it to BEAT the Selmer Concept!!! It's called the Theo Wanne Elements Series - Water Alto piece. It's amazing.
Joshua Moreno whoa I am gonna look that up!
@@Saxologic I use it myself and I fell in love. I'm sure you'll have fun with it too if you decide to try It out. 😅
Wow! Thanks for answering all my questions. Keep up the good work!
Thanks for talking about the voicing difference! As a classical clarinetist trying to teach sax, I am teaching the "E" tongue position by default... but I was wondering if I was just teaching clarinet embouchure instead true saxophone embouchure... so thanks for validating me! ;-P
Saxologic could u play "roaming the waste" (Xenoblade chronicles 2 title them from Mor Ardain) id really appreciate it also if u mind putting the notes in the description I really struggle doing it by myself -__- thanks
3:20 I wonder if your response problems would go away if you put the reed down more instead of having it poke out from the mouthpiece. Put the tip of the reed in the middle of the thickness of the top of the mouthpiece bite or under. This with a ligature not so tight will improve your response. Love you dude.
That was really helpful to me, a relative beginner, learning classical style. So Paul Desmond sounds like he is using a more classical set up, right?
Glazunov!
Ahhh. Im guessing i need a jazz mouthpiece then.
LaMarge Absolutely. Unless you’re playing in a wind ensemble that has jazz parts.
@@Saxologic hey do you have any jazz mouthpieces for alto sax that you recommend that are under or equal to $150?
@@isaiahd9947 Meyer's are fantastic mouthpieces and are not usually too pricy
@@nmc5440 thanks for the advice. I ended up ordering a Meyer HR 6M
A person I know you already ordered the mouthpiece, but in the future if you’re looking for new equipment your best choice is to try them in person. I have a Vandoren V16 A8, but I really wished I had tried Meyers, ottolinks, Berge Larson’s, etc. But none the less a Meyer 6M is a great mouthpiece, hope you enjoy it
Excellent video. Thanku. Do u agree that many of the old greats used to use a combination of Jazz/classical embochoure. Good examples being Getz, Young, Desmond and Simms......
A Night In Tunisia 🤩
Bruh all these sounded amazing.
Thanks! U saved my life! Thanks from Brazil
Great playing!
Subscribed buddy. Im currently learning jazz guitar and im trying to follow what modes you were using when you showed those first licks hehe.
Hello saxologic, I am a sax player looking for some assistance with music theory, arranging, my sax, flute, and clarinet playing, and all my scales. My goal is to be a great musician by college. I seen some of your videos and you seem very experienced in this field. If possible could you give me some pointers?
Bob R Incorporate rhythms into all your technical studies and end it off with a slow repetition!
Ngl I was not expecting you to sound that fucking good lol
Love your teaching style man! I'm needing some help double-tongueing on some classical passages, as an old jazz-guy doubler who never had sax lessons and now drafted into teaching at a music school. Please help!
It's interesting to analyze the difference between the music genres when there are intersections between instruments. For example the upright bass also has to be set up differently and the right hand technique is kind of the opposite. Even though it's the same instrument and when you listen, you recognize that it's the same instrument, nevertheless the genre imposes its own rules.
Yep, like the difference between violin and fiddle is the player.
I love your vids man!
Tks for sharing!
What reeds do you play on for both setups?
I too use a Selmer Concept and it’s AMAZING. I pair it with a 2.5 Vandoren V12
And for Jazz NY Meyer 7 w/ V16 2.5 reeds.
This is gold, actually!
At 4:13. he plays A Concerto by Petiot, Which is the concerto I have to play for my recital. He even played the hard part of the piece.
Entechnos _Twitch Actually that's A. Glazunov's sax concerto!
Stephen Kim thank you for the correction. There is literally a folder full of pieces and I just typed up what the title was.
the little solo was A night in Tunisia
Night in Tunisia recognizes that tune anywhere
What college did/do You go to?
What do you (anyone who sees this comment) think of the Jody Jazz Alto HR* Custom Dark mouthpiece? It has a big chamber and as the name suggests a dark sound. I think Jody Espina said it is a mouthpiece for jazz, but is this not contradicting?
i love u
im very upset. i play bari for my school jazz band, and yesterday we were supposed to get our jazz mouthpieces (we'd been playing on classical ones up until now) but my ligature didn't fit on it. So my teacher just said "we'll get you a fitting ligature by the end of the summer."
so now i think im really behind because i think the transition from classical to jazz mouthpieces is pretty severe. Am I overreacting, or is the change really as bad as i'm told? how can i still try to get used to the jazz mouthpiece before i have it?
What a lot of people are for getting in classical music from about the 40/50s saxophone do not exist in classical music so no point in learning classic with a sax, just learn to play the sax. It's ok to learn classical but make up your mind to switch in the future
THANK YOU. Wow. I feel dumb now, I thought the mouth peice thing was a scam. Of course I know it makes a difference, but I kept telling myself it's the saxophonist not the sax.... damn.
What reeds do you use for both genres? I’ve been using d’addario reserve 3.0+, but I find that I’m only getting 3/4 useable reeds, even with a reed geek. For jazz, I’ve used d’addario select jazz 3.5 filed, mostly cause I just like them better than vandorens.
1:40 a night in tunisia
i’ve played jazz on a selmer c* for like 3 years
Zi Ruini I highly recommend trying something else! Though the C star really isn’t that terrible of a choice for jazz, since it seems to cut KIND of well.
if you had a choice you'd get a mk 6? past you would be proud.
He got one recently!!
Please, what reed do you use on the Selmer Concept ?
Rip to all the people that didn’t have their volume turned down
Bro I rolled out of my bed 😂
Hey so there’s mouthpiece specifically for jazz and mouthpieces specifically for classical? Is it still possible to play jazz with a classical mouthpiece though?
It’s possible but not at all ideal. I strongly recommend buying one for each.
Saxologic okay thanks for the tips
1:35 A Night in Tunisia
2:42 explain this again in more detail with your new lighting. Thanks.
have you tried a LM playnick mouthpiece
Very useful!
Wich tip opening do you use for classical?
Selmer Concept lol
@@Saxologic concept is where it's at
A night on Tunisia by good old Dizzy
What was the jazz mouthpiece that he was using?
I was using a John Thomas in this video
so is your tongue raised with jazz sound or classical
Do you Jupiter saxophone
1:46 "A Night in Tunisia" by Dizzy Gillespie or alternatively "And The Melody Still Lingers On" by Chaka Khan. Ironically enough while watching this video and hearing that I had just switched over from a tab where I had ruclips.net/video/XIkDerCfpwo/видео.html video pulled up.
A night and Tunisia
The content was great, but I had a hard time hearing the speaking portions of the video :/
Xplayer007 sorry man :( what about if you turn the volume all the way up?
1:35 a night in tunisia?
Can I get a jazzy sound with a classical reed and a jazz mouthpiece?
You can get a jazzy sound no matter what setup you have - even a classical mp + reed. You’re just better off with certain serious corresponding to what your goal sound is.
i didnt know gustavo fridge played saxophone
It’s from a night in tunisia.
I wish there was a selmer concept for bari
What piece was the excerpt at 4:15 from?
a night in tunisia-dizzy
A Night in Tunisia!
A night in Tunisia! Pulling out your inner bird, eh?
Night in Tunisia!
I'm from India and I had no clue about the mouthpiece difference and was constantly being shat on by my local jazz club musicians for a bad tone, I use a 4c, there arent many options in here, could you list a cheap/good mouthpiece because i cant go and see it at a store and choose for myself, Help please!
the other piece i have mouthpiece is s80 selmer.
I started on the 4c but now use a Meyer.
Please Magipsi party theme....PLEASEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
I see a Celestron power seeker 127 slt
Can you do a video on reed's?
Yes.
@@Saxologic hi..!! Please, what reed did you used on the classical mouthpiece, the Selmer Concept ??
im mad because my school doesnt have a jazz band
Hit me up on insta man I can give you pointers and stuff @tosephjhomas
That shit isn’t cool. Sorry that the institution continues to leave jazz behind.
how to get a low A?
DIS KNEE
To a non sax player it just sounds like the classical one is a sexier clarinet
:0 that's night in Tunisia
night in tunisia
I read that most classical mouthpieces have large chambers in order to achieve a dark sound, whilst jazz mpcs have smaller chambers to speed up the air flow and achieve a brighter sound. This is the opposite of what you said here. Which is it?
epic
What’s the classical piece you played at 4:14
Marco Moreno That's Glazunov's Saxophone Concerto!
hey i have that same telescope
Where do u live?? I need someone to jam with
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1:36 night in tunisia
Its a night in tunisia
It is two totally different disciplines. If you're not doing classical everyday, a player has no idea. If you're not improvising everyday you will have no clue.
Exactly
2:52 hmmm
really good video and you really NEED A NEW MICRO PHONE for your talking.
Thanks man I plan on making a series out of this
The YAS 62 is as good as the Mark VI!
Been very pleased with mine. When the sound coming out of it is bad I know it's not the instrument.
So confusing...
03Venture which parts are confusing you?
Duh. Its family guy lol
Hence the T-shirt
Classical Sax is the worse thing I’ve heard, that’s not a saxophone
LMAO well, fair enough hahahaha
And I’ve studied it cause I’m a saxophonist too😅
Marco Gueli most people have a preference for only one of those 2 styles. It’s funny to hear the war dialogue between the two “parties”
Yeah, but I think you could love classic sax only if you’ve tried and studied only that.
Playing sax in that way it’s like using a Ferrari like a tractor
Primo Antonius I feel it’s actually the exact opposite. It’s takes a very intelligent ear to listen to jazz.