Making Double Tissue (Origami Paper)

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  • Опубликовано: 24 янв 2025

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  • @tadashimori
    @tadashimori 15 лет назад +68

    hey hey hey, I didn´t know you could make the ancient dragon! nice one!
    I´m going to try to make a double tissue right now =)
    Ah, now i´m starting to make my own washi paper and other kind of papers for origami, later I´ll show you some, and send some if you want =), It takes more than 2 months to make so i´ll got some only next year.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  14 лет назад +2

    @mr1phillip Actually, the papeer turns slightly transparent for me, too. I wouldn't worry about that too much. In that state the tissue will probably rip quite easily, so the only thing I'd look out for is not to work the tissue too much. Also, your mix may be too thin.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  14 лет назад

    @bonebreakboy Ah, well, it's easier to just let the glue soak both layers of tissue from the top. With some paper, the tissue may not soak as easily. Then adding the glue between the two layers of tissue may help. It's harder to prevent wrinkles that way, and you may have to apply the tissue "stretched", rather than rolling it on. For example, you can attach the tissue to a board and then lower it on the glue in one go. Makes sense?

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  12 лет назад +1

    You can if you want super thin paper. For many projects it will be too thin to work with comfortably, though. But if you're folding something very complex, perhaps even an insect, a single tissue treated with MC or CMC will work nicely.

  • @PreOAP
    @PreOAP 13 лет назад +1

    I have folded hundreds of things in my life, and never really knew anything about the types of origami paper used for the really complex stuff. Hence my projects never came out well because I used anything I could get my hands on. i really appreciate this video because I can now have a go at firstly getting the right paper, and secondly refolding the dragon I tried to make today. The one you showed in the video. My next one should be better..
    Thanks ever so much, you have made my origami day.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  14 лет назад

    @chirunfleta I used wallpaper paste. Any glue that contains methyl cellulose should work. You can also try using white glue and thinning it down with water.

  • @ST-mh3gl
    @ST-mh3gl 7 лет назад +20

    Hi Sara. This was the first video of yours that I ever watched. I'd just started making complex origami and this was a real help.
    I'm still not very good but at least I know it's not because of the paper!
    Thank you for 10 years.
    #myfirst #remake please

    • @Happyfolding
      @Happyfolding  7 лет назад +3

      I'm happy to hear that I helped you prepare paper to allow you to fold more complex models!

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  13 лет назад

    @itsmeordadog Try using more or a thinner solution. If that doesn't work, try putting the glue between the two layers of tissue. So lay down one layer, then apply the glue, then put the second layer on top.
    You might be using non-bleeding tissue, which doesn't absorb the glue as well, and thus only the top layer is soaked with glue. What you need is that both layers are absorbed with glue. So you could also try getting different tissue paper to work with.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  15 лет назад +1

    See comment by PetersonDoug (Elmer's Art Paste works well). Also, I use wallpaper paste, not plaster. [Yes, I used the wrong word in the video... continuously. Sorry for that.]

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  13 лет назад

    @kadchha Ah, complex models need several hours to fold. So I fear I won't be doing videos on them - the videos would be even longer than that.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  14 лет назад

    @xkirasaki Sorry, I don't know any local stores in Canada. Having said that, Canada is a big country, so I'm sure there are a lot of places. Try an arts and crafts store, or check whether some wrapping paper is suitable for folding. Wrapping paper often has a white side and a colored side, too.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  14 лет назад

    @berky1976 Actually, I prefer the non-shiny side, and usually fold models so that the shiny side is hidden inside the model. So making both sides shiny seems a bit counterproductive for my case. :)
    I haven't really had problems with the paper not being flat and smooth in the final state, so maybe that's why I haven't experimented in that direction.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  14 лет назад

    @LetsRockTheChair It depends on what kind of project you want to fold from it. Often, a single layer will result in too thin and weak paper, that's why I combine two layers.
    As to your second question, yes, you can align two sheets of foil to create larger sheets of tissue foil.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  13 лет назад

    @VinitheVcubeVIP That depends on what you want to fold. Generally, I'd say double tissue is better for highly complex models, whereas tissue foil is good if you want a duo effect and have a model that profits from "paper" that can be shaped easily.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  14 лет назад

    @rnslrzno28 The largest one I had cut in a hardware store. The smaller squares are backings of origami packs I've bought in the past. I also cut some hexagon stencils from cardboard. For this I printed a perfect hexagon, and then cut through the cardboard using the print-out as a reference.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  14 лет назад

    @Jonbirnil Yes, that's the idea. :) This video just gives a couple of pointers on how to best glue two sheets together.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  15 лет назад

    Yes, the solution will penetrate both layers, thus gluing them together.
    Paper mache paste should work. I'm not sure what quality paste it will result in, but I guess there's no harm in trying. Usually paper mache paste basically *is* wallpaper paste in any case.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  15 лет назад

    Wallpaper paste is usually clear. If there are lots of air bubbles in it, it can appear white. If that's the case, then just let it rest. The bubbles will rise to the surface. Too many air bubbles will have an effect on the quality of the tissue paper. If the glue is opaque white, it's probably not the right stuff for this project.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  14 лет назад

    @mrbluepie Using a blowdryer has several disadvantages. The paper will probably be a lot wavier, and as you already experienced, the risk of it splitting is much higher. So I'd say try letting it dry over night and see if that helps. :)

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  15 лет назад

    Methyl Cellulose. In the origami community it's mostly just called MC. If you can find pure Methyl Cellulose, that'll work - else most wallpaper pastes are based on it.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  14 лет назад

    @Uxkkun Probably it will work. The only safe way to know is to try it out, though. :)

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  15 лет назад

    I'm not sure which kinds of tissue papers there are, but you should go for the thin stuff. I'd guess the most suitable tissue paper weights round 20 to 30 gsm. Most art and crafts stores hold tissue paper in different colours. If you are lucky you can even find non-bleeding tissue paper. If you can get a hold of it, do buy it and try making duo coloured double tissue.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  14 лет назад

    @MrKoolTrix I haven't tried, so I don't know. Crepe paper is quite different, though. For one, it's textured. So the result would definitely be different. You can give it a try and report back, though. That'd be interesting.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  13 лет назад

    @CirciSurfMusic Sorry, I don't sell paper. I fear it wouldn't be a good deal for either of us. For you, because it'd be too expensive for what I have to offer, and for me, because the paper takes some time to make, and I like to use my time for making videos, rather than making paper. ;)

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  12 лет назад +1

    That depends on what you want to fold with it. When I make this sort of paper it comes out quite a bit lighter (and thinner) than regular origami paper.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  12 лет назад

    Was it fully dry? I haven't had problems with removing my paper from glas. You do have to be careful on the edge of the paper, but once that's released it should be ok. But perhaps the glue you are using doesn't behave like mine does.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  15 лет назад +1

    Sounds very promising! I'm definitely interested. Also, tell me how your double tissue attempt turned out.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  13 лет назад

    @TurnEhDogh Go for a consistency of raw egg-white. Hopefully that gives you a better idea.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  15 лет назад

    It's definitely harder to work with non-bleeding tissue. And I agree that it might be worth a try mixing the two, and putting the non-bleeding on the bottom, the bleeding tissue on top. Then the bleeding tissue should stick to the non-bleeding one - if all works well. Next time I make double tissue I'll give it a try.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  15 лет назад

    I think wet folding with double tissue from the start would be fatal. The paper would probably rip while doing the folds. I think for wet folding from start to finish you need to work with considerably heavier paper.
    I have dampened finished models in parts, especially if you want to thin down points for claws etc., but you still have to be very careful.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  14 лет назад

    @tropicsunshine I have never tried myself, but have heard from other origami folks that this works.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  13 лет назад

    @origamimaster2002 I've once tried using thinned down white glue (PVC), and that worked nicely, too.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  14 лет назад

    @guitarhero199412345 That should work, yes. Try with a small sheet first to see whether it works ok. :)

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  14 лет назад

    @Keirina It's a picture frame.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  15 лет назад

    Yes, it is. With non-bleeding tissue this shouldn't happen, or at least not as much. Also, the colour can easily be removed with window cleaner.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  13 лет назад

    @AntimonioOrigami If the paper starts to curl (hasn't happened to me), I'd try putting weights on the corners. You may not be able to use the corners after that, but at least the rest of the paper should stay flat.
    Another reason is that the paper is not drying evenly (e.g. if you use a hairdryer to speed up the process).

  • @LouiseJannetta
    @LouiseJannetta 2 года назад

    Hi and thank you. Can you tell me the paste that you use please.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  13 лет назад

    @AntimonioOrigami Feel free to iron a sheet if it's not as flat as you'd like. Just make sure not to burn the paper in the process. :)

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  15 лет назад

    I haven't tried this yet, although it has crossed my mind. I think I usually align them the same, because the tissue has creases in it, and it's harder to have the two sheets align correctly if you rotate the sheets. What's your experience with this? Do you think it's worth the extra effort?

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  12 лет назад

    Yes, especially if you are folding smaller shells. If you want to fold very large shells the paper will probably be too thin.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  13 лет назад

    @Jeffrey2735 I think double tissue is quite a good choice for the ancient dragon. Indeed, I folded one from double tissue. :)

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  15 лет назад

    I think it's sometimes sold as gift wrapping paper in the US. In Germany it's more of an arts supply. Basically, tissue paper is very thin and relatively soft paper. I'd say it's about 20gsm if that means anything to you. I'm not sure where you can get tissue paper in South Africa, but you can try and go to an arts supply store or paper store and ask them for tissue paper. They should know the stuff. I am not aware of other names for tissue paper in English, but I'm not a native speaker.

  • @TogrutaJedi
    @TogrutaJedi 15 лет назад

    What kind of tissue paper should I use?
    So brushing the solution on top goes through both layers?
    Would commercially produced (found in a box, must mix by self) paper mache paste work?

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  13 лет назад

    @MrHqbank For double tissue, I don't think that's a wise choice. However, you can try.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  12 лет назад

    I'm not sure, it'd probably depend on whether the glue soaks through the onionskin paper. If so, yes, definitely. If not, you may have to apply the glue between two sheets, rather than on top of two sheets.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  12 лет назад

    I've also tried this with thinned down white glue (between two sheets of tissue) and it worked. Pure MC or CMC should also do the job.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  12 лет назад

    Here I use tissue paper. I've bought tissue paper in paper stores and stationeries. But you may also find it sold as (nicer / more expensive) wrapping paper.

  • @duhskills129
    @duhskills129 12 лет назад

    I think it is because of the paper clips. The paperclips are either causing more air to go in through the two papers, or they are causing an area where little or no glue seeps through. Im just saying this through personal experience, because the same exact thing happened to me when I used paper clips to hold the two papers together. I tried without paperclips, and it worked!

  • @Uxkkun
    @Uxkkun 14 лет назад

    I can't seem to find Metylan Normal (what you're using) anywhere. The only one I can find that looks like it might work is Metylan Special, I suspect is has extra components to suit wallpaper. Or maybe it isn't MC at all (the ingredients are vague). Do you think it should work?

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  13 лет назад

    @HomoCyborgZombie Any flat, non-stick surface will do. :)

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  14 лет назад

    @ORIGAMIDUDE1000 Yes, that's what I'd try. Oh, and don't let the glue dry before washing the bowl if you want to use it again later. The glue might want to stick around else. ;)

  • @xkirasaki
    @xkirasaki 14 лет назад

    Do you know if there origami shop in canada?
    like... with a white side and a color side?

  • @Wusuda
    @Wusuda 12 лет назад

    Does Spray Mount Adhesive works as well? I can't really get MC glue here but there is Spray Adhesive here, does it work as well as MC glue too?

  • @desaulnd
    @desaulnd 15 лет назад

    Just want to know : When you make a complex model with your double tissue sheet, do you wetfold it ? Do you fold the base dry, and then dampen bits of paper at the end ? Or do you dampen the whole sheet from start ?

  • @Fortune100-u4h
    @Fortune100-u4h 2 года назад

    Can u use normal glue the paste one if we mix it with water?

  • @origamimaster2002
    @origamimaster2002 13 лет назад

    is there something else beside plaste that i can use
    that works goodd

  • @shugabrush3671
    @shugabrush3671 4 года назад

    do other versions of metylan work? or do I need the normal version specifically?

  • @SwartFrancois
    @SwartFrancois 15 лет назад

    Do you know of any other uses for Methyl Cellulose? I phoned some hardware stores, but they don't know what it is at all. Or maybe a known brand name? I will go in myself too, but just wondered if it has other uses for them to go on?

  • @berky1976
    @berky1976 14 лет назад

    @AdamsSara I understand what you are saying. I suppose if you didn't want a shiny side you'd have to find a piece of glass that was textured which would most likely be expensive and could possible not give you the desired results.

  • @shugabrush3671
    @shugabrush3671 4 года назад

    did you use 20x30 inches tissue paper?

  • @azndragonfan
    @azndragonfan 15 лет назад

    instead of plaster can u use art paste?

  • @ElisaHei
    @ElisaHei 14 лет назад

    where did you get that glass platform?

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  12 лет назад

    The tissue paper? At a local stationary and a paper store.

  • @VinitheVcubeVIP
    @VinitheVcubeVIP 13 лет назад

    would you say this or tissue foil is better?

  • @rnslrzno28
    @rnslrzno28 14 лет назад

    where did you get the squares?

  • @AdventuresByVictor
    @AdventuresByVictor 12 лет назад

    can you use homemade wallpaper paste? (made with boiling water and cornstarch)

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  12 лет назад

    No, they have specialized machines, many years of experience, high-quality fibers, etc. There's a whole art to how they produce papers. :)

  • @thomaslife954
    @thomaslife954 10 лет назад +5

    How do you make a perfect square?

    • @CSIGarcia
      @CSIGarcia 7 лет назад +1

      Thomas Life Use an angle ruler available at hardware and crafts stores

    • @Turambar3791
      @Turambar3791 6 лет назад

      You make two lines bigger than your goal with an angle, then you mark the size you want over those lines, finally fold all diagonally and make match lines between them. And cut around the triangle. When you unfold the triangle you will have a very accurate square. Traslucent paper help a lot but you can use light to find the lines through the paper.

    • @shugabrush3671
      @shugabrush3671 4 года назад

      S1m_EJSlayer -šūbśćrîbę- I usually like to get two lines perpendicular to each other, then the diagonal crease.

  • @Akotlya1
    @Akotlya1 13 лет назад

    Are there any places that sell tissue paper that isnt folded up? I cant biy any that isnt covered in folds. This makes having wrinkle free paper impossible. Help?

  • @modularcuriosity
    @modularcuriosity 4 года назад +1

    Why did I never think of laying down both sheets together? I always coated one sheet and then tried to lay a 2nd sheet on top. I always get wrinkles that way. Sometimes it's the simplest things which make it so much easier.

  • @MrHqbank
    @MrHqbank 13 лет назад

    is it possible to use spray adhesive instead of plaster

  • @origamimaster2002
    @origamimaster2002 13 лет назад

    is there something else beside plaste that i can use
    r

  • @origamimaster2002
    @origamimaster2002 13 лет назад

    is there something else beside plaste that i can use
    that works goodd
    please wirte back

  • @guitarhero199412345
    @guitarhero199412345 14 лет назад

    Could I use a whiteboard instead of glass? I don't think they absorb water.

  • @mrbluepie
    @mrbluepie 14 лет назад

    I have tried making this but the paper keep splitting as it is drying. I blow dried it on high, then tried it again on low. I know this could be the problem. Does this happen still if you let it dry naturally?

  • @4sonsand2dogs
    @4sonsand2dogs 12 лет назад +1

    Where did you get the paper? By the way those were AWESOME origami models!

  • @carlitoz_createz
    @carlitoz_createz 11 лет назад

    Is it possible to use glue instead of plaster?

  • @LetsRockTheChair
    @LetsRockTheChair 14 лет назад

    @AdamsSara
    Thanks for the reply :)
    And I can't find MC anywhere and I went like 100 hardware store, everyone gives me CMC when I want w. paste. CMC and MC looks familiar to me so can CMC work too?

  • @berky1976
    @berky1976 14 лет назад

    Have you tried applying a layer of plexiglass after applying the adhesive with some weight on it to help make the paper smoother after drying with some weight to help push out the air. It will take longer to dry, but if it works you'd get both sides the same texture and shine and the plexiglass is typically flexible so you can pull it back after drying. It might be worth a try.

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  12 лет назад

    My experience has been that spray adhesive doesn't give as nice paper. It's thicker and often the glue will not fold as nicely as the results you get from using MC-based glues.

  • @SwartFrancois
    @SwartFrancois 15 лет назад

    Where exactly would I find tissue paper? I live in South Africa, maybe it goes by other names? Searching on the web, it seems to be a sort of gift wrapping paper. Is that about right?+

  • @anthonypaulgambong4996
    @anthonypaulgambong4996 8 лет назад

    What was the material you used to trace the square? is that cardboard? carton?

  • @AntimonioOrigami
    @AntimonioOrigami 13 лет назад

    This video go beyond the excellence, it's superb.
    I'm sorry if I'm gonna to rake up an old video that last comment was done 6 month ago, but I've just finish to try it and the result is amazing, first of all THANK YOU!
    Secondly, a question:
    Maybe I've done something wrong, 'cause during the rest (at the aim of let the paper to dry) it's happen something different from your one.
    The paper start curling in itself, starting from the corner, and proceed along the long side for one or two cm.

  • @duhskills129
    @duhskills129 13 лет назад

    Hmmm... Can't you just take one single sheet of tissue and treat it with MC? The paper should get thicker as the MC will add more sizing.. But is it practical?

  • @AntimonioOrigami
    @AntimonioOrigami 13 лет назад

    Well it's not a big problem since it's my first attempt, but I'm realizing that cutting will be a few more difficult and surely folding something like the "ancient dragon" is easier if the paper lie straight.
    I'm quite sure that the ironing won't be a good choice to solve the problem, am I right?
    Have you got any hint to avoid this problem in my next double tissue?
    Thanks
    Alessandro.

  • @nene55ifty
    @nene55ifty 12 лет назад

    Were can i buy the plasture

  • @quixotics
    @quixotics 14 лет назад

    Thanks for teaching this, but I'm a bit confused, I see you did tissue-tissue-glue, does it make any difference if you go tissue-glue-tissue?

  • @alexh0629
    @alexh0629 12 лет назад

    where do you buy you tissue paper? ( i buy mine in tescos but it is not very good :/ )

  • @Happyfolding
    @Happyfolding  13 лет назад

    @gunit00311 Ah, sorry, no. :) I folded it once, and probably won't again. It takes a couple of hours to fold...

  • @Brayan-xw2ws
    @Brayan-xw2ws Год назад

    hello how do you make your glue?

  • @karmanager3645
    @karmanager3645 5 лет назад

    Why the using of two tissue? I mean I understand regarding the double color, but for a sheet with one color you can use one tissue and treat it with mc? And if it is to make the paper more thicker cannot use a thicker sheet? I mean why not use a single thicker sheet instead of two?

  • @tylerwu601
    @tylerwu601 7 лет назад +1

    Would a mixture with one part water and one part elmers glue work fine?

  • @PreOAP
    @PreOAP 11 лет назад +1

    Great video. Thanks for this tutorial. I was wondering where you get your tissue paper from.

  • @aykutguven8958
    @aykutguven8958 9 лет назад

    I use to walpaper glue? It's a powder walpaper glue?

  • @michaelthepsenavong799
    @michaelthepsenavong799 3 года назад

    where did you get the surface area you used to make paper is it a glass top?

    • @Happyfolding
      @Happyfolding  3 года назад

      Yes, I took it from a picture frame we were no longer using.

  • @jacksonfoster8389
    @jacksonfoster8389 12 лет назад

    How do you make the thickness perfect

  • @lokaum1000
    @lokaum1000 9 лет назад +1

    Thanks a million for this amazing video Sara! Hugs from Brazil

  • @christriana1586
    @christriana1586 12 лет назад

    is it good to make the navel shell tomoko fuse

  • @sleeksheepfox
    @sleeksheepfox 15 лет назад

    wow thats a great idea! by the way are you able to upload a video on the dragon you mentioned at the end of the video? it looks so cool!

  • @AxlChuvieTeofilus
    @AxlChuvieTeofilus 10 лет назад

    Can you use either a white glue dilluted in water/spray glue ?

    • @Happyfolding
      @Happyfolding  9 лет назад

      Yes, you can. I've used dilluted white glue before, but applied it between the two sheets, rather than letting it soak through. For spray glue this is a must, of course. Applying the second layer of tissue can for example be done as shown in my tissue foil video: ruclips.net/video/MROF94-0ulA/видео.html