Applaud Donavan's attention in following the engineering drawings AND properly fixing other structural deficiencies you discover! All the best to you guys!
The ship thing Matt was trying to recall is the ship of Theseus , from Wikipedia, "In the metaphysics of identity, the Ship of Theseus is a thought experiment that raises the question of whether an object that has had all of its components replaced remains fundamentally the same object. The concept is one of the oldest in Western philosophy, having been discussed by Heraclitus and Plato by c. 500-400 BC."
Came here for this too. I recently fixed my back gate which was rotting in place. I now call it the "Gate of Theseus" because I took it off the hinges, and replaced every piece except the hinges and fence board slats before putting it back up. I couldn't decide if I repaired my gate or made a new gate with some salvaged pieces.
I’m stepping way out of my lane but I’ll say it anyway: every time I hear you say welcome back to this ‘renovation thing’, I think to myself - it’s not a renovation thing…calling it that minimizes the enormity of what you’re undertaking - with just the help of one other person! …I’d say it’s a major home remodel/addition project…I’m learning so much following along and appreciate you sharing it with everyone…to quote Essential Craftsman: Keep up the good work👍🏽❤️
@@jumar360 In the Tally Ho re-construction, all but part of the transom were replaced. BTW the original transom had to be cut back on the sides, so the wood became lower than it was origninally, but it worked.
When our kitchen floor was pulled up we found a hole patched with a flattened Pabst Blue Ribbon can, but at least all the joists were attached. But the entire house sagged about 3/8" in the middle, so we have a series of permanent jacks down in the unfinished basement.
Great job! Love watching you guys work Matt, never a dull moment. And for some reason I find your home remodeling videos the most fascinating and fun to watch besides your furniture making videos.
I've never done a remodel project (yet) that didn't have some hidden gotcha. At least you have a contractor who thinks like he's going to live there and is willing to fix the problems correctly. All that hard work and BS will pay dividends down the road and you'll be happy you tackled it when you did.
As an aside, I am a Plumber in Australia and here we put roofs on and we use what we term 'builders blanket', which is that glass wool with a thick foil backing. When you are doing a roof here it gets warm on the roof and the glass wool sticks to you, the way I found to get rid of most of it at the end of the day is to have a warm\hot shower and use a face washer to 'wash down your skin as it removes 'most' of the prickly bits ? I am old now so it is up to you young folks to put up with those fun things .
I saw a floor out like yours once and the carpenters put shims in the buckets to raise the joist, absolutely JACKLEG. You guys did it the right way, not easy, but right never is on a repair. Great Job.
How do three missing hangers go unnoticed? All the way from workers who installed the joists, the baseboards, the furnace? Sounds like they all had "not my problem" complex. Glad it was caught and repaired.
I can also hear the 'Steve Martin' in Donovan's voice now that a fellow sub mentioned it. PS: Donovan's new company shirts look great. Big improvement, more stylish 😎.
Note to self. Don't attend any party's at Matt's with more than ten people in the room. 😉 Its a lot stronger after your repairs. You'll see a lot more progress after the electricians move the wires.
Check out tally ho. Leo had to essentially replace they entire boat. He had a segment about what it is called when you replace, in his case, the almost the entire boat, but O don't remember what he called it. Just checked out your comments and some else came up with the same comment. How wonderful that I am not the only one to think of this. Great youtube channel.
I am proud of you guys for not saying the swear words I know you were thinking! As others have said, you did good when you picked your contractor. Thanks for taking me along the ride!
You and Donovan make a great team. Surprised the inspector didn't catch those floor joists that weren't attached on the final inspection. Looks like that slate was supporting the whole floor. Shows how good of a job that floor installer did if the slate never cracked without being properly supported.
We saw what looked like sheets of 3/4 inch tongue-and-groove OSB used as the new sub-floor patches, but how did you secure them... nails, screws, with or without adhesive??? Good job of fixing the root causes of the problems you uncover ("I live here!") and letting us look over your shoulders. As a DIYer, I'm learning a lot, but especially from the remodel part of your project. Thanks for sharing the brutal reality of schedule disruptions and the interconnectedness of it all. Very helpful RUclips series! Thanks.
I think the original builder came from Florida. Down here it is impossible to find a plumb wall or a straight tile line. Every electrical wire is pulled tight and forget about trim!!! Cabinets in this house were hung from a lowered ceiling that had 2x4s on their SIDES that had zero bridging. I swear the drywall on the dining room side was all that was holding up that side of the kitchen ceiling and cabinets. Adding insult to injury, they did this to have an "OPEN FEEL" from the kitchen to the dining room.. My builder buddy was here helping me tear out the kitchen and we both saw this at the same time and looked at each other in disbelief!!
lol whenever your tempted to use a li-ion battery as a hammer, remember they are expensive and if the damage results in thermal runaway you have a fire u cant put out in a wooden room :)
There are a lot of skills that are learned better with a mentor than from a book. RUclips creators (like Matt and Leo) have inspired and enabled me to pursue hobbies and crafts I’ve always been curious about.
I was groaning thinking of how to fix that floor sag. But you made it look almost easy. Watching you tear up the floor to expose the joists was painful!
GET A HAIRCUT YA' HIPPIES! (My father and his National Guard buddies) So at 15 I left home joined a R&R band 🔉🎛🎚🎧🎤🎙🎸🥁🎹⌨️💽🖥🎷🎼🔊 and started growing my hair and by 20 it was at my beltline.😁 Fairly complicated stuff. Coming along nicely. You are doing a fine job. How many more weeks do you project to finish? 🙂✌️❤
Get er done Donivan Matt was able to walk on the joists because he's soo light soaking wet he could dance on those floating joists and it's only slightly moving .. if I stepped on that I would have fallen through ages ago
Guy with 30 years experience "I wouldn't stand there" Guy with 1 year experience "I would"...when that happens, it's always best not to stand close to the guy with one year experience:).
I cannot believe a builder would leave joists that are not connected at one end. That is quite scary! Also I noticed that there are no noggins between the joists, to prevent them warping and twisting.
Are you going to be replacing the fiberglass insulation with closed cell spray insulation thar has over double the R value of fiberglass ? Not to mention that it doesn't have the draft issue that fiberglass has. It's so fascinating watching Donovan putting up with your highjinks Matt. He's definitely a patient well trained gentleman. Tho he may take umbrage at being called a gentleman 🤪
The floor remains me of a apt. I once lived in. You walk in the bedroom ,and went down hill. You couldn't complain about anything wrong with the place , the manager would get mad. Like when the lights wouldn't go on over the sink in bathroom. After buying new bulbs. It still had problems. She got really mad at me and said, you have to turn the switch on very slowly. Sometimes that worked. What a pain liveing there
Thanks for the metric, one-note that European building work is measured by 'millimetre or mill (mm)' and 'meters (m) but some builders might use 'centimetre (cm)' 1mm = 1/25 inch 2mm = 1/16 inch 3mm = 3/32 inch 4mm = 1/8 inch 5mm = 3/16 inch 6mm = 1/4 inch 7mm = over 1/4 inch 8mm = 5/16 inch 9mm = 3/8 inch 10mm = over 3/8 inch 13mm = 1/2 inch 16mm = 5/8 inch 19mm = 3/4 inch 25mm = 1 inch
The swale on the floor might have been due to the weight of that slate flooring that was there previously. Joists should have had some reinforcement before that was installed in the first place.
I'm impressed with Donavan, be glad you started this project and got the right contractor. He's correcting all the previous work that was done poorly
I know I was shocked to see the rookie mistakes made by the previous builder
Ship of Theseus
An easier way to remember that concept though is "This is my grandfather's ax. My father replaced the handle and I replaced the head"
Applaud Donavan's attention in following the engineering drawings AND properly fixing other structural deficiencies you discover! All the best to you guys!
The ship thing Matt was trying to recall is the ship of Theseus , from Wikipedia, "In the metaphysics of identity, the Ship of Theseus is a thought experiment that raises the question of whether an object that has had all of its components replaced remains fundamentally the same object. The concept is one of the oldest in Western philosophy, having been discussed by Heraclitus and Plato by c. 500-400 BC."
Came here to say Ship of Theseus. Good it's already been answered. Philosophers all.
Came here for this too.
I recently fixed my back gate which was rotting in place. I now call it the "Gate of Theseus" because I took it off the hinges, and replaced every piece except the hinges and fence board slats before putting it back up. I couldn't decide if I repaired my gate or made a new gate with some salvaged pieces.
See Sampson Boat Co episode 58:
ruclips.net/video/tW15VnkEmQ0/видео.html
I’m stepping way out of my lane but I’ll say it anyway: every time I hear you say welcome back to this ‘renovation thing’, I think to myself - it’s not a renovation thing…calling it that minimizes the enormity of what you’re undertaking - with just the help of one other person! …I’d say it’s a major home remodel/addition project…I’m learning so much following along and appreciate you sharing it with everyone…to quote Essential Craftsman: Keep up the good work👍🏽❤️
Moving right along !! Slowly, but surely, Matt and Donavan !!
Perhaps the name you are looking for is "The Ship of Theseus"?
Thank you!
@@mcremona My pleasure to have been of service Sir 🙂
🤣🤣
Matthew, check out the Tally Ho project. ruclips.net/user/SampsonBoatCo
Or Talley Ho? 😉 ask Leo on the Sampson Boat Co channel.
Donovan is hilarious. I hope you make this a regular thing where you visit him on future job sites and bs for an episode.
Ship of Theseus. I know this from watching Sampson Boat Company rebuilding Tally Ho
Thats where I was going. LOL!
@@mikemcphaden5364 It was also mentioned in Wanda Vision when the Vision she created met the Vision that was rebuilt from dead Vision.
Did we all learn about the Ship of Theseus from Leo Goolden.
@@wlmjbrown yes we did. I commented before I read the rest of this thread. You all are really great!
It might go unnoticed, but your camera placements and editing on this are really, really good... excellent perspective on what's going on.
Things that if done well, should go unnoticed 😄
@@mcremona Exactly. :)
@@jeffgrant935 10:07 is particularly fine - I'm sure Donavan appreciates that one :D
For example, 4:30
The quality control guy must have blinked when the carpenter installed those floor joists!
What Quality Control bloke ?
I think the previous owner / owners may have bypassed that !
I also enjoy Donovan and hope you guys will be making more videos after this job.
Great progress Matt you and Donavan make a great team :) Thanks for sharing the video with us!👍💖😎JP
Really love the positive banter in these videos. It is a joy to watch you guys push through obvious frustrations
To see a good example of a ship restoration like you were speaking of, see Sampson Boat CO’s rebuilding of the 111 year old sailboat “Tally Ho”.
Yes! I don’t comment often, but popped into comments to make sure someone mentioned them!
That's where I learned about the ship of Theseus. It's the same boat but all the parts have been changed.
@@jumar360 In the Tally Ho re-construction, all but part of the transom were replaced. BTW the original transom had to be cut back on the sides, so the wood became lower than it was origninally, but it worked.
The dip in the floor, you always find something like that when remodeling.
Good job fixing that.
Ship of Theseus or "grandfather's axe" - good video.
It's a bit like my fifteen year old broom, it's had four new heads and ten new handles, it's a great broom.
You two have a really great chemistry. Hopefully you exploit that further well after you're done your reno here.
i loved watching This Old House with my dad when i was a kid. this brings back those same juices.
When our kitchen floor was pulled up we found a hole patched with a flattened Pabst Blue Ribbon can, but at least all the joists were attached. But the entire house sagged about 3/8" in the middle, so we have a series of permanent jacks down in the unfinished basement.
You need a Donovan to come fix it properly. The sags in both yours and Matt's floors may be due to ground sagging after the build.
@@judithfairchild8620 Well...at least 2 of the sags/swales in Matt's floor are caused by those joists NOT being connected.
@@kenc2257 yes I noticed. Poor construction.
The building and entertainment at it's finest. Great works come from great bantering between builders.
"I can't deal with your feelings" Donavan just cracks me up 🤣😂🤣😂.
You were thinking of the Ship of Theseus!
Great job! Love watching you guys work Matt, never a dull moment. And for some reason I find your home remodeling videos the most fascinating and fun to watch besides your furniture making videos.
Yeh i agree you got one the best contractors in Donavan ! He knows how to fix the job right even wjen he has to bounce around doing it !
Nice fix on the 'Dippy Floor'
Binging this series the past few days, been walking around the house with my tape measure. My wife is suspicious.
I just got back home from my trip to my nephews wedding in Indiana. Great video of working on the fly Matt. You both make a great team.
Much more difficult to remodel someone else's work than to build it. Will be solid when Donavan completes the project.
I've never done a remodel project (yet) that didn't have some hidden gotcha. At least you have a contractor who thinks like he's going to live there and is willing to fix the problems correctly. All that hard work and BS will pay dividends down the road and you'll be happy you tackled it when you did.
It's coming along slowly but surely... even with setbacks and unexpected issues. You guys are doing a great job!
As an aside, I am a Plumber in Australia and here we put roofs on and we use what we term 'builders blanket', which is that glass wool with a thick foil backing. When you are doing a roof here it gets warm on the roof and the glass wool sticks to you, the way I found to get rid of most of it at the end of the day is to have a warm\hot shower and use a face washer to 'wash down your skin as it removes 'most' of the prickly bits ? I am old now so it is up to you young folks to put up with those fun things .
I saw a floor out like yours once and the carpenters put shims in the buckets to raise the joist, absolutely JACKLEG. You guys did it the right way, not easy, but right never is on a repair. Great Job.
thx for the journey so far.
How do three missing hangers go unnoticed? All the way from workers who installed the joists, the baseboards, the furnace? Sounds like they all had "not my problem" complex. Glad it was caught and repaired.
I can also hear the 'Steve Martin' in Donovan's voice now that a fellow sub mentioned it.
PS: Donovan's new company shirts look great. Big improvement, more stylish 😎.
Note to self. Don't attend any party's at Matt's with more than ten people in the room. 😉 Its a lot stronger after your repairs. You'll see a lot more progress after the electricians move the wires.
Check out tally ho. Leo had to essentially replace they entire boat. He had a segment about what it is called when you replace, in his case, the almost the entire boat, but O don't remember what he called it. Just checked out your comments and some else came up with the same comment. How wonderful that I am not the only one to think of this. Great youtube channel.
The little yellow pry-bar: I have a very similar one by Faithful. One of my favourite tools.
Greetings from the BIG SKY. To error is human I've heard.
Looks like you guys make the best of a not perfect situation. Makes for good viewing for us.
Channel Lock makes a nifty side cutter that makes pulling headless nails easy.
I am proud of you guys for not saying the swear words I know you were thinking! As others have said, you did good when you picked your contractor. Thanks for taking me along the ride!
Plenty were said and plenty ended up on the cutting room floor
Starting to get there.
You and Donovan make a great team. Surprised the inspector didn't catch those floor joists that weren't attached on the final inspection. Looks like that slate was supporting the whole floor. Shows how good of a job that floor installer did if the slate never cracked without being properly supported.
Wasn’t easy to see from below with the furnace trunks in place
We saw what looked like sheets of 3/4 inch tongue-and-groove OSB used as the new sub-floor patches, but how did you secure them... nails, screws, with or without adhesive??? Good job of fixing the root causes of the problems you uncover ("I live here!") and letting us look over your shoulders. As a DIYer, I'm learning a lot, but especially from the remodel part of your project. Thanks for sharing the brutal reality of schedule disruptions and the interconnectedness of it all. Very helpful RUclips series! Thanks.
They’re just dry fit for now so the electricians can access everything from above if needed. Thanks!
Such a huge build and you are all doing a brilliant job
Great progress Matt. Thanks for sharing. God Bless.
Great video.
It helps when you have the right man for the job, when things go bad they just keep going bad
The Ship of Theseus
Thank you for sharing
I think the original builder came from Florida. Down here it is impossible to find a plumb wall or a straight tile line. Every electrical wire is pulled tight and forget about trim!!! Cabinets in this house were hung from a lowered ceiling that had 2x4s on their SIDES that had zero bridging. I swear the drywall on the dining room side was all that was holding up that side of the kitchen ceiling and cabinets. Adding insult to injury, they did this to have an "OPEN FEEL" from the kitchen to the dining room.. My builder buddy was here helping me tear out the kitchen and we both saw this at the same time and looked at each other in disbelief!!
lol whenever your tempted to use a li-ion battery as a hammer, remember they are expensive and if the damage results in thermal runaway you have a fire u cant put out in a wooden room :)
It’s called the ship of Tally Ho
I find it interesting how many of us watch the same things.
@@berg8970 We enjoy hard work - especially when it's being done by others who are skilled craftsmen.
There are a lot of skills that are learned better with a mentor than from a book. RUclips creators (like Matt and Leo) have inspired and enabled me to pursue hobbies and crafts I’ve always been curious about.
10:34: Donavan's disappearing shoe treads prove he's a working man!
This is really great real content. I am always entertained. Thank you
What are the joists made of? They look like particle board, but particle board is just sawdust and glue and bows under even the slightest load.
Thank you for another entertaining and informative session. Good work fellas.
So glad you all found that, before trying to set a piano on that area.
The furnace would have caught it 😄
I was groaning thinking of how to fix that floor sag. But you made it look almost easy. Watching you tear up the floor to expose the joists was painful!
That’s where all the work was. I spent the previous day removing the subfloor that was missing in the intro
I like this series. Feels relatable.
Ship of Theseus. See also Trigger's Broom and Grandfather's Axe.
GET A HAIRCUT YA' HIPPIES!
(My father and his National Guard buddies)
So at 15 I left home joined a R&R band 🔉🎛🎚🎧🎤🎙🎸🥁🎹⌨️💽🖥🎷🎼🔊 and started growing my hair and by 20 it was at my beltline.😁
Fairly complicated stuff.
Coming along nicely.
You are doing a fine job.
How many more weeks do you project to finish?
🙂✌️❤
Get er done Donivan Matt was able to walk on the joists because he's soo light soaking wet he could dance on those floating joists and it's only slightly moving .. if I stepped on that I would have fallen through ages ago
Wow a working video great job of going from plan a to plan z nice
Guy with 30 years experience "I wouldn't stand there" Guy with 1 year experience "I would"...when that happens, it's always best not to stand close to the guy with one year experience:).
Looks like the electricians need to make an appearance.
Matt, you're thinking "Ship of Theseus." :)
3:53 Ship of Theseus
Awesome stuff Matt! 😃👍🏻👊🏻
ship of Theseus
you were lucky you got an old school experienced builder. this is why when you set a budget for renovation you double it.
I cannot believe a builder would leave joists that are not connected at one end. That is quite scary! Also I noticed that there are no noggins between the joists, to prevent them warping and twisting.
3 things you rarely find in a house are level, plumb & square
4:00 Ship of Theseus
Great job guys, thanks
ship of theseus
In the UK we also have "Trigger’s broom", from a BBC sitcom. Watch on RUclips, will make sense.
Are you going to be replacing the fiberglass insulation with closed cell spray insulation thar has over double the R value of fiberglass ?
Not to mention that it doesn't have the draft issue that fiberglass has.
It's so fascinating watching Donovan putting up with your highjinks Matt.
He's definitely a patient well trained gentleman.
Tho he may take umbrage at being called a gentleman 🤪
Ship of Theseus
Ship of Theseus is the thing you were trying to remember. If every plank is replaced on the voyage, does the original ship remain?
Yes, exactly. Thank you!
Ship of Theseus.
Awesome! Great job!
great job
Awesome job.
The floor remains me of a apt. I once lived in. You walk in the bedroom ,and went down hill.
You couldn't complain about anything wrong with the place , the manager would get mad. Like when the lights wouldn't go on over the sink in bathroom.
After buying new bulbs. It still had problems. She got really mad at me and said, you have to turn the switch on very slowly. Sometimes that worked. What a pain liveing there
You are really lucky that floor was over the utility room. That would have sucked if it had a finished ceiling.
Luckily it was flat over the finished ceiling space
How did the previous builder just forget to attach the joists? Aren't there inspections that should catch that kind of thing?
Thanks for the metric, one-note that European building work is measured by 'millimetre or mill (mm)' and 'meters (m) but some builders might use 'centimetre (cm)'
1mm = 1/25 inch
2mm = 1/16 inch
3mm = 3/32 inch
4mm = 1/8 inch
5mm = 3/16 inch
6mm = 1/4 inch
7mm = over 1/4 inch
8mm = 5/16 inch
9mm = 3/8 inch
10mm = over 3/8 inch
13mm = 1/2 inch
16mm = 5/8 inch
19mm = 3/4 inch
25mm = 1 inch
Feel free to move the decimal 😄
@@mcremona 🤣👍
Coming along nice 👍🏽
Pretty scary floating joist problem. Those kind of things cause me to wonder what else they'd missed, forgotten or simply not bothered about.
The swale on the floor might have been due to the weight of that slate flooring that was there previously. Joists should have had some reinforcement before that was installed in the first place.
good job guys
Leaving comment, as instructed. Keep on truckin'.
btw, those hangers seem to be short. Could have used the next size up.
Bonjour, ça va être un bel intérieur👍
Curious thought, find any “dead bodies” or “hidden treasures?”
Are you thinking of “lofting out” a ship?
So much retrofitting going on here Mat,glad I'm not doin it in mine.
Matt Cremona's "house". Well it was a house before they started! :-D :-D