Why is Dick Grayson Called NIGHTWING? || NerdSync
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When Dick Grayson retired from the role of Robin, he knew he needed a new name in order to be taken as a leader and not just "Batman's sidekick". The new alias he decided on was Nightwing, but how did he think of that name? Today, we're learning about who the name Nightwing has its roots in a Kryptonian legend, as well as how Superman himself used to be known by that name when he teamed up with Jimmy Olsen as Nightwing and Flamebird!
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Why do Batman's and Nightwing's sidekicks wear bright colours while their mentors wear dark? I mean, they mostly "work" at night, when dark outfits work best.
as a distraction :3
Raziel Qwazar why does Batman wear a yellow symbol on his chest? because he doesn't have a bulletproof mask. why does Robin wear bright colors? because batman doesn't have a bulletproof mask
^DAMN XD
that question has been answered in the Future's End Grayson, where in its was explained as a backstory, Actually it was batman who designed his costume bright and light
it was explained as "in order that he would be seen. If he relied on darkness too much, and someone took the darkness away from him, and he will fall, like the rope holding him up had been cut. Dick would have to earn the night. "
remembering batman adopting him when dick's parents were killed that night so that he will not be like him , an agent of Vengeance, a child cheated out of his childhood since he was eight, for he wanted dick to grow up ruled not by his own fears
and since dick, knowing this adopted this explanation/idea even to his sidekicks i guess
Hey Scott!!!!! why not do "why robins wear light costumes " huh? hahahaha i hope you notice my comment :D i;m a very huge fan of Richard john grayson
omhar maravillas Now THIS is an explanation. Thanks!
Definitely like him better as Nightwing and I like the old legend being the orignal Nightwing
+Tokyo Inooshi I agree
+Tokyo Inooshi I kinda like the idea of superman pretending to be batman though...
I think being the first Robin is what makes Nightwing so special. That evolution and his continued dynamic with batman is what makes him such a compelling character. Also I definitely prefer the "legend" origin of the name and the idea that it being shared to dick from superman is way cool. Great video!
I like the idea of Dick being inspired by Superman or a story of Superman's, mainly because it isn't often that sidekicks have major interactions with heroes other than their mentors. I also just like Nightwing in general.
Exactly it makes himuch cooler character
"Welcome to a tie in video, where i wear a tie in the video"
Scott, i just earned even more respect for your pun making abilities
***** To be fair, my friend Matt told me to say that. His pun abilities are far beyond the limits of the human mind.
***** may i ask? does the matt in your statement refer to matpat or am i just assuming here.
anyways keep up the great vids and i enjoy it especially that i can't buy the comic books
I wish! I don't know MatPat personally. It's just my friend named Matt.
NerdSync Why can't Nightwing think of another name except for Nothing he should pick NightFalcon
Dick Grayson is and always will be the BEST!
I love Dick Grayson as Nightwing, he is my favorite DC character. It gave him an edge that he didn't have as robin, but needed as he grew up. But on the other hand I love how the Grayson storyline is panning out. It has the edge and sometimes sneaks in some robin lines to have a little throwback in there as well.
slomo413 I only read the first issue of the Grayson comic. Should I catch up?
Another good one, Nightwing is one of my personal favorite DC comic characters! Thanks for this one!
I knew about Superman telling Dick about the legend from Krypton, but I never knew about the original story. Nice trivia! Thanks Scott!
Action Faction Happy to hear you found it interesting!
Getting into comics as late as I did, I've almost completely known Robin as someone other than Richard Grayson, thus comes with the exception of the animated portrayals (Teen Titans, the first season of Young Justice, etc). That being said I also missed Duck as Batman, though I recently went back and read the Black Mirror finding it pretty great. For me Damian stands to be my definitive Robin, even if he's been around the shortest amount of time. Every other Robin before Damian has some higher calling, while Damian is the direct son of Bruce making it obvious he'd take up the sidekick role. Furthermore, Tomassi and Gleason's run on Batman and Robin has been instrumental in doing two things: 1) humanizing both character, especially the godlike Batman we're use to seeing in the regular Batman title, and 2) showing how cool the boy wonder could be. Back to Nightwing, Dick Grayson probably my biggest introduction into comics, and more importantly the New 52. Though the art was in flux a lot of the time, Dick's pursuit to be more than just an ex-Robin spoke to me and, especially when he moved to Chicago, I always thought of him as his own person.
Oh, and as long as he gets the name Nightwing I'm okay with the story behind it.
I sure liked the name and the original rationale. Acknowledging Superman as a positive influence for Dick Grayson was a great move at that crossroads moment.
The costume was way too Disco, sure, but they fixed it when he changed to the blue chest wing version.
You know what I do like? That bowtie it's pretty classy.
Kendrick Keller Why thank you!
I knew about the Nightwing hero inspiration. I enjoy watching Dick Grayson evolve out our the Robin persona into his own.
For once I knew this before the video! Love Nightwing and he is definitely my favourite robin..
AHeroAlmost I hope you liked the video regardless. Haha
Same
Personally I like him best as Nightwing, and I like to think that Nightwing was a Kryptonian legend that Superman took advantage of when he went to Kandor, and Grayson took the idea from Clark and became Nightwing.
Nightwing is my favorite Robin of all time #DickGrayson
I like the loop of Superman becoming inspired by Batman and Robin and Robin then becoming inspired by Superman and Batman.
Its still weard knowing Dick isn't even Robin or Nightwing anymore
He's been nightwing since the 80s
beaconcontrol inc. He is not Nightwing anymore
He is a spy
That's temporary... And it's all part of Bruce and Dick's plan to infiltrate S.P.I.R.A.L. He is still technically Nightwing. No need to fear!
Action Faction
No but technical he is dead
And only real dead people on comics come back not fake dead people
Oh wait Batman was dead but not really dead was back in time
Ooooh comics how confusing can you be ?
Oh yeah. He'll be nightwing again soon
nightwing is a good name for dick its very close to being batman (you know for birds of the nightshift bats and owls)
Okay, go into the convoluted history of the Huntress. From being Batman's daughter to possibly being from another universe to being Batman's daughter again... or not... to being whatever she is now.
She is now Batman's daughter from another universe, haha. (No, seriously. She is.)
Andre Betita Yes, but Scott doesn't do "Know your superhero Origins", as he says. And ComicsExplained and a number of others do a great job of that.
I want to know the behind the scenes stuff, the hidden details, if any.
They also reinterduced the Helena bertanelli idea recently. So they have the original idea of her being earth two batman's daughter and Helena bertanelli the daughter of a mobster.
I didn't know this. Thank you, Scott, for this Tie-inn.
But I'd go with the legend story instead of the superman version
Peter Hubers Glad you liked it and learned something! I also like the legend story a bit more.
I third this notion.
When I read one of my father's old superman comics, I found it funny how Kandor had a superhero named Nightwing as I knew that Dick would later go by that name. Now I know why.
Axerosh It all connects!
Ah, yes, Nightwing and Flamebird. As a kid I loved the stories in the bottled city, and there were several with those heroes there.
I love how My Adventures with Superman has Jimmy call himself Flamebird online. It’s such a neat little deep cut of a reference
what if bruce wayne was batman that would be just weird and wrong i hope the writers dont go that way
Your trolling needs work! :)
im not trolling im serious i mean how could bruce wayne be batman hes the least likely person to be batman hes so boring
:p
SpaghettiMonster .jr 0/10 Worst troll ever.
Retarded comments like this are what kills my brain cells
Love this origin for the name. Dick is definitely the Clark Kent of the bat family anyway
Another fun fact: General Zod and Ursa had a kid named Lor-Zod in the phatoman zone. Because of them being bad mom and dad Lor-Zod gain a new dad,Superman. As time went he and Thara Ak-Var became Nightwing and Flamebird began actively patrolling several American cities. Which are the same as their Kryptonian god's name.
I don't really care which way it came about, but that fact that Nightwing's name comes from the Superman comics at all is really interesting.
JP Kloess I agree. Shows a little bit more crossover between the characters.
They should make a live-action TV show about Nightwing and tie it into flash and arrow
jazzarox2000 There have been a few Nightwing fan films and web series that are decent. But I'd love to see a full-fledged Nightwing series with a big budget and awesome acrobatic stunts!
One of my favorite origins for a superhero name! Thanks for making a video on it!
Jesse Jones No problem!
The tie is adorable! And you know this was informative lol
Nightwing and Flamebird, in the Year One arc sense, were also these Kryptonian dragon like creatures created by Rao that would act as a cleansing force for when Krypton needed to start anew. That was where the Kryptonian vigilantes got the name.
the flamebird/batgirl story you touched on at the end would be superbat awesome to see!
You missed Worlds Finest #147. Jimmy and Dick become Nightwing and Flamebird in an story called "The doomed boy heroes". One of two of my favorite comic stories. The other being Superman 162 - Superman Red/Superman Blue
Man, Bette Kane's flame bird costume was badass!
Nightwing was a really, really early example of the 'cool word mashup' approach to naming characters, which was so popular in the 90's. Nightwing still sounds like something from Image, in my ears.
I like the idea of Superman getting the Nightwing identity from legend and using it for himself.
This was great! Is there anything else Nightwing based that you van turn into a video? That would be great!
Again, awesome and obscure info! Thanks Scott. I can't remember what comic it was but the origin I had heard was that Dick Grayson took the Nightwing name as a tribute to his two biggest influences, Batman and Superman. Night = Batman and Wing = Superman. So, thanks giving me and even better understanding of the name.
I like both stories. I had no idea about the Superman one other than the tiny city part.
Devin Crave What's really interesting is that Superman was inspired by Batman and Robin to create the identities of Nightwing and Flamebird, and then Dick was then inspired years later by Superman to become Nightwing. Kind of neat!
AWESOME tie-in I like robin better but NightWing is just as cool I never knew he had a partner :3 :D
I learn things in every episode. Another good one!
raggarharry HUZZAH!!!
YOU'RE AWESOME SCOTT! THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HARD WORK! ... AND MY MOST SINCERE COMMENDATIONS TO BRAD AND CHRIS AS WELL!
Knightwing is just badass
I like nightwing as a story and as the old identity of superman! for dick grayson I think I like Robin and how he's usually portrayed whether in teen titans or batman but as Nightwing he's still just as charming :)
the fact of you putting it as "another can of worms" says it all... xDDDD
I liked 2007 "the batman" cartoon version where Robin got his name from a online video game character he played as against one of the jokers hintch men
yep I was just about to say that
I like the idea of it being a legend better because it means we could one day get a time travel episode where Dick Grayson meats the original Nightwing and he learns about the origins of Krypton.
Great video! So Grayson had a flamebird?woah that deserves a video! Can u explain the Batwoman dissapering and coming back after like a million years thing?
I like how Superman came up with Nightwing.
***** Your videos have been getting better and better. Seriously I never know what to expect but I know I can trust you guys to deliver!
Umm I have a question. I know that Nightwing and the whole Bat-family have a strict no kill policy. Would you ever consider doing a video about that? Like why they do, which heroes do, and if the ones that do have the policy ever broke it before. Thanks again for posting your great videos, podcasts, and tie-ins! Keep it up, you are loved.
That was so cool. I love learning new stuff, that I didn't know. Love your channel.
Tie game on point 👌this was super interesting I had no idea about any of this
Hi, Awesome channel congratulations, just wanted to say a fun fact , here in Mexico superheroes often preserve their english names, like Superman and Batman but some secret identitys got translations back in the day, like Bruce Wayne was called Bruno Diaz and Dick Greyson was called Ricardo Tapia (today they just call them Bruce and Dick but I'll always remember them as Bruno and Ricardo), also the name Nightwing got a translation in the latin spanish dubbed Batman the animated series they called Nigtwing "Ala Nocturna", it is relly confusing for people of different generations here in Mexico to talk about those characters because now a days all superheroes just preserve their english names, but my generation still remembers the translations
I like him better as Nighwing because it's growth as a character. My favorite Robin is Tim Drake in part because of this.
Old Kryptonian legend sounds like a better orgin
I already knew all this=3 ! But great video and I definitely like Nightwing more than Robin, and the Kandor with his origin best.
I didn't know the full story of the origins of Nightwing and Flamebird, but there were some nice Nightwing and Flamebird stories in the Dollar-Size Superman Family in the late 70s. After Superman and Jimmy played the parts, two other Kandorians became Nightwing and Flamebird. With Superman's approval, of course. They made a nice contrast from the usual super-powered antics of Superman and Supergirl. Of course, Jimmy Olsen and Lois Lane were doing their investigative bits in their own solo stories, but they didn't (normally) wear colorful costumes like Nightwing and Flamebird. Plus the N & F stories were steeped in the exotic Kryptonian culture and background, instead of being based in New York City or Metropolis or some other ordinary setting.
As for Dick Grayson, I think it's great that he grew up and eventually took the name and costume of Nightwing. Neither "Robin" nor "Nightwing" are better--it's the process of a single character growing and changing that makes it good. And as for his costume, the traditional outfit seems okay for a younger person, say 8 to 13 or so, but the traditional outfit was looking pretty silly on a college-age Dick Grayson. In the 70s, they occasionally showed the Earth-Two Robin as an adult, with a slightly different costume, and it looked pretty good. There was also a Robin story in the Dollar Size Detective Comics where Robin tries out a few different and interesting Robin costumes.
Very interesting! Learned something new today.
Albertosaurus Glad to hear that!
Good work explaining the weirdness behind the Nightwing name. I was a teen myself reading Wolfman's take on Grayson. Loved the Judas Contract. Great story and fantastic art by Perez. Good times.
I like how over the years then and since the editorship at DC has tried to tie Grayson's Nightwing together with their own inspiration of the name (Olsen & Kent in Kandor) but now that the DC Universe is convoluted with multiple retcons, I think in the future DC would be wise to establish Grayson chooses Nightwing on his own and if they want to say there was a Nightwing in Kandor or on Krypton long ago, Superman could mention it in passing but they can just say it's a coincidence now. Back in the silver age, things were different. Maybe it's a hint to temporal entanglement that reminds the current Superman something has altered the multiverse, but it's all water under the bridge now.
Going from under the wing of the Dark Knight to becoming Nightwing is not that far of a stretch. It keeps the bird motif while dropping the cutesy Robin for a younger person to take that mantle. It's easier to believe Dick Grayson would come to that name on his own than to have to connect the dots back to a version of DC continuity that frankly just doesn't exist anymore after multiple Crises, the New 52 and the upcoming Convergence. They're gonna try to say it all makes sense, but Jimmy Olsen flying around the bottle city of Kandor as Flamebird with a depowered Clark Kent in tow as Nightwing doesn't make any sense now and we all know it.
Frankly I'm sad that a lot of the stories I grew up reading have been pretty much dismissed by what's happening now, but I think trying to cling to the past is actually harming both DC and Marvel more than helping them. They'd be better served abandoning continuity entirely and only use from the past what serves their present storytelling.
It's either that, or let Clark and Bruce grow old. I don't see them doing that.
always like the legend from superman. Great video
buddy pitts Yeah, I like that a lot too.
I have always thought Dick Grayson is a great character. He is perfect as leader of Titans or working with his old mentor but they never get the tone of his solo adventures right. And I know this is not popular but Dick and Damion made a pretty badass Batman and Robin.
I may be Mistaken but I remember reading that the Nightwing name was suppose to be both a way to distance himself from but also Honor Batman
I liked Dick Grayson becoming NightWing. It kind of showed the readers when his experience of being Robin, mainly being a side kick to Batman. It showed his independence as a crime fighter. Now Gotham is in good hands even more now.
Scott I'd appreciate it if you could do an episode explaining deathstroke's military experiments and his affliction with the teen titans and his children. Thanks!-Jack
Thank you for the awesome info on my favorite DC super hero. I kind of like all the evolutions of the origin of his name. Also as a cool side note Nightwing's costume design is based on his Flying Graysons costume from his circus days.
Dracor Glad you liked the video!
I like the Idea of Dick being an inspired by Kryptonian legend partly and cause I love stories that dive into Kryptonian culture but also cause I think Superman is dicks more fun uncle if Batman is his father.
There was actually a comic called Robin and Flamebird where Dick and Jimmy fought crime together, coming to the rescue of Batman of Superman every other day.
I like him as NIGHTWING!
Oh damn, i'm just dying of curiosity about that Flamebird. I've never heard of her before !
Robin's costume was designed for a kid sidekick. It would be hard to take him seriously as an adult in that outfit.
Would love to see a comic story where all the Robins fought each other. Dick versus Jason versus Tim.
Tim & Dick fought Jason in Battle for the Cowl. There's also the Robin War... but we do not speak its name. lol
Tim's fought Damian a few times too. Actually, Dick's fought Jason on a number of occasions...
Dick Grayson has established himself completely as Nightwing. He appears as such in Injustice: Gods Among Us and in the Challenge Mode of Batman: Arkham City.
Plus, he's also my favorite member of the Bat Family.
I liked knightwing after he toke the role of batman, that's where he's biggest struggles comes and where I thought he gave it 110% out of his mind and body to fight, but when he was knightwing or robin I felt he only gave it 70% at most of the time, because he knew that the role of batman is the most role that has responsibility in the whole dc universe.
I enjoyed this video and I really like both versions of Dick Grayson as Robin and Nightwing.
hey scott first love the recent uploads great job man, and second would love a episode on penance from marvel. Specifacly if civil war was the first time he was used and why the creators choose to change speedball (think his first alias) always found it a huge change between the two one being very light hearted and fun and the other being dark and grim.
Bobbie Marion I think that fit the character. He went through a lot with that story.
Oh I don't disagree just found it a lil odd choice of character to use for that story I feel there might have been reason to change speedball from what he was I liked the change just wanted to know if there was another reason for it
In 'The Batman' tv seires, not the adam west Batman or Batman: The Animated Seires, Dick Grayson uses Nightwing as his gamertag for video games
Dick is just one of my favorite DC characters
My favorite is college Robin from Batman the animated series.
I prefer it being a Kryptonian legend and hopefully it and the whole Kandor being taken by Brainiac will be part of the new show Krypton
Wow earliest I've ever been to a nerd sync video haha :)
SuperTacojack Nicely done!
I really need some type of live action Nightwing movie, or him in a movie with Batman (Not whatever the hell that Batman and Robin movie we had before was.) I just need Nightwing!
Knowing how comics tend to work there will probably be a story where it's revealed the kryptonian nightwing was actually the Zur-En-Arrh counterpart to Superman or Dick grayson at some point.
I should probably point out that in the teen titans show Robin got the idea from Starfire when she was telling about her trip to the future.
That's an awesome origin to a name
Amazing I did not know that Nightwing and flame bird came from Superman. It's an awesome tie in
Ii
Very few channels entice me to subscribe from the first video I see! Looking forward to more from you guys!
I really like the videos, could you please do more deathstroke videos
is it possible for you to do a video on that time bet kane was flamebird? awesome video, love the chanel.
The rubiks cube in the background changed,but nice video tho
Totaly Schmawesome I only know a few patterns. I have to learn some more!
Nightwing is a Kick Ass Name.
Hi,Scott love your channel.......Scott could u do an episode on what happen to kandor ? I'm a bit confused on what happen to it ? Did superman free the citizens of kandor? If u could do it that would be great!
Thanks for making the video!
I like the old Kryptonian legend better, but I did like how the integrated Supes and Jimmys story into as well in the Nightwing year one book. At least I think they did. I cause some trouble later when they freed Kandor but it was still a good story.
I like him as Nightwing more than as Robin, the fight for the "definitive Robin character" is between pre-N52 Tim Drake and Damian Wayne. But his new status quo as Grayson is indeed awesome, too, and could become more iconic for fans of Richard Grayson than Nightwing...
Because Nightwing sounds so cool, and he that.
during supergirl there was a time where she & power girl were somewhere & they went by nightwing & flamebird I think.
Nightwing is AWESOME
Damn, that was really interesting! Especially the fact that there's a bird called Nightwing on Krypton.
Well, "was", I guess...
I like Grayson as Nightwing. I've always liked Batman because he has no powers so somewhere in the back of your head you think that could be me. Nightwing on the other hand also has no powers and technically isn't a billionaire which makes Nightwing even more realistic to me. Now I'm off to practice my karate chop and cool stance! lol
Dick Grayson is better as robin!