As a Dodger fan since '82 I enjoyed this game quite a bit. I think of it as reverse payback for the Phils doing them in '83. I literally cried when that happened. The Dodgers had dominated them that year in the RS.
Love the hot mic conversation between Harry Kalas and Richie Ashburn during the Hooten pitching change. They were going in on ump Harry Wendelstedt. 🤣😄
That is an unbelievable inning, and the hot mic is truly remarkable to listen to. If Kalas was down on you, you were off your game that day. That said, it sounds like he wasn’t a huge Wendelstedt fan.
I was in high school and watching it that night; I knew Vic Davalillo was old (41 then), so that got my attention when he was called on to hit...then the excitement to follow [b.t.w., Garber was sporting the hipster beard about forty years before everybody else].
I remember that it came home from school I was watching it on little black-and-white TV in my parents kitchen. I’ll never forget this game I’m 60 years old and it traumatized me for years 1980 helped out a lot
This 1977 Phillies team was one of the all time great teams. This team would have been a WS winner. As a long time Phillie Fan I am still in Phillie therapy after all these years...lol
Larry Bowa wanted to win more than anything and showed it in the locker room after when a reporter sat down next to him for a brief interview, you could just feel the agony of defeat.
@@GuitarGangsterArmi - I don’t agree. On paper they were. What occurred in that game was a management strategy blunder. Not so much the product of being a “bad or not great team. And the next game was played in a small hurricane that was mysteriously never cancelled.
Will never forget running home from school listening to Hooten melt down on a transistor radio, thinking we had it. Then the agony of losing, and then Carlton losing in the driving rain the the next night while my father and I sat in the 300 level. This was the best Phillies team ever.
You were at that rainy game ? As a kid it was beyond me why the umps did not suspend the game due to the rain . Wasn't this the night that the rain just kept coming down constantly and the officials just kept the game going ? I was baffled .
That was the book I read. I live in Chicago now.The love of the Cubs pales in comparison to Philly's fascination with the Phils. The only comparable fan relationship was Brooklyn's fascination with the Dodgers. In both cases the city's involvement was total and rabid. Philly (and the burbs) went into a trance during this game. Ainn't seen nothing like it since.
@@thejackel1844 got off the subway we left school early, we could hear the roar of the crowd didn't make sense what was going on.. you could climb into the Vet, I was 17 we did it a lot.. while we walk right into the Bert Hooten meltdown.. the fans were screaming at the top of their lungs getting the signed and with each ball they erupted.. 67,000 some fans I believe it was just crazy and I was just the beginning of unbelievable things that happened in that game.. Black Friday indeed
One strike away from sealing the deal, and the 9th inning bunt that turned the Phil's upside down.... the wheels came off, and the meat of the order went down quietly. Who woulda thunk it? Remember watching this. Grew up in PA. Of course... I was a Yankees fan, but would rather have seen the Phillies get past LA. Most of my friends LOVED their Phillies. It was hard NOT to love them. Truly classic team.
Always remember this game for many different reasons. Hooten coming apart at the seams & for very good reason. Yeager called out when he was safe, Garvey called safe win he was out. The sure-handed Russell's error, Cey airmailing the ball over Garvey's head and off the bat of The Great Michael Jack Schmidt of all people! 😳!! You know Cey wanted to dig a hole & crawl in it! The relief pitcher who had my 15yr old self thinking my God, Louie Tiant is so pale! 😳? LOL 😆 Then a ball that Mike Schmidt gloves 99 out of a 100 times! This was the game when I finally got Ol' Yogi's "It ain't over till it's OVER" So many HOF'rs & afew more that should be in playing such a sloppy game, Hollywood couldn't even make this one up 💪😎👍!
I love the human element in sports of possibly getting a bad call . Replays and challenges etc drain the game . It also allows me to whine that Garvey never touched home !!!
thanks for the upload. I watched this game is amazement. ozark always put martin in late in games. but, the wild throw was the key in that inning. mota also hit that pitch off his shoetops.
Epic plays that could've ended the game @ 1:54:24 and 1:55:34. Luzinski blew his chance by not getting into position, but the grounder was simply a blown call. Kalas was being gracious - Lopes was out! - CJ
Gene Garber was my favorite Phils player back then. I was so pissed when we traded him to Atlanta for Dick Ruthven in '78. This blown save might have had something to do with it.
By the way, thanks for posting this. All I was missing was a soft pretzel and a Tastycake! I read a book recently that said the city hated the Phillies for not leaving town instead of the beloved Athletics. I do recall an almost hateful mood in the stands when I went to the Vet.I don't think any team has ever been booed more by its own fans than the Phils
Lol Even Mike Schmidt for crying out loud.So the next time he came out on the field during pre-game warm ups wearing a wig.I swear there was nothing under that rug at the vet but concrete.
Let's face it Phillies were robbed, firdt base ump really blew an easy call. That should have ended the game,travesty of justice. Just like Jim Joyce admitted blown call in the almost perfect game.
Wendelstadt should have been made to issue a public apology to Hooten the very next day. Those non strike calls were ugly calls or ugly noncalls for that matter .
The home plate ump might as well have been wearing a Phillie uniform in this game, especially in the bottom of the 2nd inning. He was calling balls that were clearly strikes.
The problem was starting "The Night Owl" in a day game. He liked to stay up late. Hooton was terrible in day games, kind of a problem when one pitches for the Cubs. Even in LA he had trouble in day games but at least there weren't many of them. He was getting squeezed on some of those before he got totally out of sink. Did you see him ask Wendelstet, "Where's the strike zone?" Back then in the NL if a pitch wasn't below the waist you could forget about getting a strike called. But a bit below the knees was often called a strike. AL umps would call strikes at the waist, maybe a shade above. Forget getting a knee high strike call most often. The said it was because the AL used outside chest protectors which blocked the umps view of the low pitches. An iffy excuse but there was a difference in the strike zone.
I don't know. Hard to tell from the angle they showed, even when I slow down the slo-mo replay. Not enough evidence to overturn the call. On the other hand, Garvey clearly should have been out at home in the first inning. He never touched the plate!
@@brettshepherd5240 I'm not disputing that the dodgers were the better team and deserved to win. But the lopes call and the Garvey call both would have been overturned. Maybe it was karma because harry wendelstedt squeezed Burt hooten earlier in the game costing the dodgers dearly
In the previous inning Kalas stated that the Dodgers came unraveled. The Phillies came unraveled in the 9th. They had two outs with no one on, then a drag bunt, two strikes on Mota and he hits one that Luzinski can't field, then the mishandle by Schmidt (although I think Lopes was out), mishandled throw by Hebner then Lopes sores on a single by Russell. Garber did a poor job in the 9th, a decent left fielder could have caught the ball by Manny Mota, Schmidt should have fielded the ball and thrown Lopes out
On Mota's hit in the 9th, where was Hebner when Luzinski threw to second? If he had backed up Sizemore, Mota would have stayed at second and would not have scored on Lopes' hit. That could have changed the strategy and maybe the Phillies would have found a way to hold on. And why didn't Ozark have somebody warming in the bullpen?
Aren't we missing another huge managerial goof by Ozark? He absolutely should have pinch hit for Garber in the 8th and brought in a kinda decent closer in the top of the ninth. I think that closer's name was, um, TUG MCGRAW!
Wendelstedt did not do well behind the plate. He also was the umpire who threw Jay Howell out in Game 3 of the 88 NLCS. Safe to say that Lasorda is not a Harry Wendelstedt fan.
@101Logical ; they were the worse calls I have seen in my life . There should be and should have been disciplinary action when officials in professional sports make really egregious calls. These weren't bad calls. They were egregious .
Wow two outs, no one on and up 5-3. Lasorda out maneuvered the Phillies. Pinch hitter drag bunt brilliant and Mota hit put max pressure on Philly. Luzinski must catch that fly ball. Should have sub’d him out for defense bottom 9. Man what a loss
No matter who wins... What a feeling, when you've convinced yourself that it's over, and have resigned yourself to the fact that tomorrow is gonna royally suck... only to have a miracle drop in your lap.
SPOILER ALERT This game really surprised me! Thanks for the post. I didn't remember who one this game, but when I saw it's posted by "ClassicPhilliesTV", I figured it was a Phillies win. And when the Dodgers took the lead in the ninth, I was amazed. I thought maybe the Phillies would come back and tie it, and it would go extra innings, because there was another hour left on the video. And then they went out in the ninth, and the Dodgers won! Ha, good one. You fooled me with all the extra time!
2:05:18 Garvey sure made a statement the way he stomped on 1st base to end the game. I would have to think Phillies fans (and players) must have taken exception to that. That looked like he was kind of saying "take that, you fucks!"
it was a bang bang play at first...but Lopes was out....however, the Phils didn't lose the game there...the shouldn't have been in that position in the first place....Luzinski MUST catch that fly ball...Garber shouldn't have left a hittable ball on an 0-2 pitch to Mota....then Sizemore's error was inexcusable...that wasn't a tough ball to handle....
Sizemore's error changed everything. Mota doesn't move from 2nd on Lopes' ball. I think that should have been an error on Schmidt. Lopes may have been out by a hair but you can't blame the ump on a play that close. They scored Lopes as getting picked off and giving Garber an error. Hebner should have caught Garber's throw so it should be E3. That killed them the most - Lopes to 2nd. Mota's run only tied it up, Lopes run won it. That was some bunt by Davalillo. Both of those guys were like 40+ or close to it. No one was more clutch than Mota. He did it time and time again.
This game was probably the low point of The city's morale. It was a devastating defeat and reinforced the idea of Philly being the city of losers. The 1980 championship team erased some of the pain, but the bitterness of 1977 lingered. It's been said that the city almost resented the 1980 team for not giving them something to boo or cry about anymore. At any rate, the 1977 Phillies have gone down as one of the greatest teams not to win a pennant. A sad legacy.
Stephen schmidt Maybe, but the stats don't back you up. The '77 team won 10 more games and had career years from Mcbride and Luzinski, among others. The bullpen of McGraw, Garber, Reed, and Brusstar had a collective ERA of about 2.5. After picking up McBride from the Cards, they went on a spectacular streak, winning 19 of 20, including 13 in a row. That streak included a 4 game sweep of the Dodgers. Rose was good, but the fact remains he was on the downside by 1980, hitting only .280, with no power.
The greatness of the 1980 team was in their ability to come back while trailing. The 1977 team almost never lost a lead. They just beat their opponents up, so any comeback ability they may have had was never tested. It proved to be their Achilles heel in the playoffs, as they got rattled when the Dodgers rallied. I still say the 1980 team was tougher, tough as nails in fact, but the 1977 team had more talent.
Another thing: The competition faced by the '77 team was greater than the '80 team. Houston lost the best pitcher in the game when J.R. Richard had a stroke. Without him, they stood little chance of winning a title. Their offense was anemic. The '77 Dodgers were a powerhouse in all phases of the game. Still, the Phils should have beat them. They were that good.
bruceduece1 WHAT??? That was arguably the greatest LCS in HISTORY!!!! In victory they had a MUCH harder road than in 77.....4 extra inning games....and had to come back from 5-2 down vs Ryan...on the road.....they still had VERY solid pitching....and their wasn't THAT anemic...it wasn't like the Phils shut them down in the series...
Lopes appears to be out but if Terry Harmon stretches even a little bit he would have been for sure. That call didn't cost them the game....the awful pickup throw is what put Lopes at second.
Jimmy King.....so was Jerry Martin who for some reason was on the bench this inning instead of in left field......like he was all season long in the late innings
The Phillies just fell apart in this game in the 9th inning with just one thing after another. It’s like, they had the game all wrapped up in the 9th and they just gave it to the Dodgers. Personally, i wouldn’t of let Gene Garber bat in the bottom of the 8th knowing I had Tug McGraw available to close out the game in the 9th. I didn’t think the Phillies had a good manager with Danny Ozark. You gotta manage aggressively. Ozark managed cautiously. It’s a shame because in 77, they really had a lot of talent on that Phillies team. Can you imagine if they had a guy like Billy Martin or Earl Weaver managing that team! They probably would be in the 77 and 78 World Series.
I just watched through the Hooten meltdown and the Dodger rally in the 9th. Of the 8 runs I watched score 7 of them a result of crap umpires. Garvey out at the plate. Hooten couldn't have walked up and put the ball more over the plate. Then to the 9th, Lopes was out. I just hope the other runs were legit.
Why was Luzinski still in the game in the 9th? He was always a poor outfielder. Ozark pinch runs for him in the bottom of the inning, yet left him in in the top of the inning on defense? Hmm ...
Yeah, he was. Yankees would probably have beaten the Phillies in the World Series anyway. It was their year. They didn't have a whole lot of trouble against L.A., so I don't think it would've been much different against Philly.
He was. It wasn't so glaringly apparent that an umpire had no business calling him safe (think Don Deninger in the 1985 WS), but he was unquestionably out.
Andre Vaughn You say that to Royals fans and they think the call was okay and start calling you names and say it was the cardinals fault for batting .232 & St Louis should have done better and the cardinals should have not been in that position??? makes no sense...I'm not a St Louis fan but that changed the outcome of the series...in my opinion getting the first out is everything in a ball game...should have been protested and replayed from that point forward...make things right.
Daniel Zanier I posted this up above but I'll post it here too: @ 1:56:00 and 1:56:07 you can see the exact moment that the ball hits the glove. While I can't be 100% sure, it also appears that In both frames Lopes' foot is touching the bag. I guess my point is, even with the luxury of slow motion replay and a pause button, I cannot tell if he's safe or out, which means it would've been close to impossible, if not impossible, for the ump to be sure in real time. And if the ump cannot see that the runner is out, he cannot call him out - he's got to give him the benefit of the doubt.
JohnnyBGood11 Well, I can't expect a Royals' fan to be anything but happy with Denkinger's call. If, however, they insist that Orta was out, I would lose all respect for them. It's not even a question of opinion. There was no replay back then, so the Cards were stuck with the call. If any Royals' fan were to tell me with a straight face that Orta was safe, i would lose all respect for them. The Royals won the series and have nothing to apologize for. What they should really point out is how Clark didn't get to Balboni's foul pop, which would've been out number 1, and then he singled on an 0-2 count. Plus, Worrell threw a wild picth that Porter didn't handle. The Royals had plenty of help from the Cardinals that inning. In their arguments with Cards' fans, they should point that out. But as far as call by Denkinger being ok, it was not ok. It was TERRIBLE.
michael carbonara @ 1:56:00 and 1:56:07 you can see the exact moment that the ball hits the glove. While I can't be 100% sure, it also appears that In both frames Lopes' foot is touching the bag. I guess my point is, even with the luxury of slow motion replay and a pause button, I cannot tell if he's safe or out, which means it would've been close to impossible, if not impossible, for the ump to be sure in real time. And if the ump cannot see that the runner is out, he cannot call him out - he's got to give him the benefit of the doubt.
+mike de carlo To reiterate on what Kevin said, I saw that the ball was in Hebner's glove the SAME time Lopes' foot touched the bag. In a situation like this, if the ball and runner come across simultaneously, the tie-breaker goes to the runner. For a guy to be out, the ball would have to BEAT the runner and make sure the fielder's foot is on the bag. The ball did not beat the runner--by the skin of their teeth--and therefore, Lopes was safe.
+NFL-MLB Classics I agree with what Kevin said. im just saying umpires don't guess strikes or outs. mlb network did,a piece about controversial calls and they had 14 umpires make that call.....half said safe..half said out. those four at bats (davalillo, mota, lopes,and russell) basically were a huge clusterfuck for the Phillies.
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As a Dodger fan since '82 I enjoyed this game quite a bit. I think of it as reverse payback for the Phils doing them in '83. I literally cried when that happened. The Dodgers had dominated them that year in the RS.
Love the hot mic conversation between Harry Kalas and Richie Ashburn during the Hooten pitching change. They were going in on ump Harry Wendelstedt. 🤣😄
They were such bad calls. It is as though the home plate umpire took a few minutes to go bird watching.
So funny... Kalas really let him have it... "should be a nothing-nothing game" Kalas is right! Wendlestadt had an off the chart bad game.
That is an unbelievable inning, and the hot mic is truly remarkable to listen to. If Kalas was down on you, you were off your game that day. That said, it sounds like he wasn’t a huge Wendelstedt fan.
@29:50
Absolute gold
I so remember this game as a kid. First live choke I ever saw on TV. Thanks for the post :)
I was in high school and watching it that night; I knew Vic Davalillo was old (41 then), so that got my attention when he was called on to hit...then the excitement to follow [b.t.w., Garber was sporting the hipster beard about forty years before everybody else].
I remember that it came home from school I was watching it on little black-and-white TV in my parents kitchen. I’ll never forget this game I’m 60 years old and it traumatized me for years 1980 helped out a lot
i was a 13 year old die had philly fan and boy did this loss hurt like hell.
@@mattyrock2467 Surprised me too.. since I always thought the Dodgers lost :(
This 1977 Phillies team was one of the all time great teams. This team would have been a WS winner. As a long time Phillie Fan I am still in Phillie therapy after all these years...lol
A team that chokes at the end of game 3, to then lose the NLCS in 4 games is not one of the all time great teams.
@@GuitarGangsterArmi ha! True that.
Larry Bowa wanted to win more than anything and showed it in the locker room after when a reporter sat down next to him for a brief interview, you could just feel the agony of defeat.
@@GuitarGangsterArmi - I don’t agree. On paper they were. What occurred in that game was a management strategy blunder. Not so much the product of being a “bad or not great team. And the next game was played in a small hurricane that was mysteriously never cancelled.
@@tubularbill …..games aren’t played on paper plus LA had to play in the elements as well.
Will never forget running home from school listening to Hooten melt down on a transistor radio, thinking we had it. Then the agony of losing, and then Carlton losing in the driving rain the the next night while my father and I sat in the 300 level. This was the best Phillies team ever.
You were at that rainy game ? As a kid it was beyond me why the umps did not suspend the game due to the rain . Wasn't this the night that the rain just kept coming down constantly and the officials just kept the game going ? I was baffled .
@@mikekaroules2820 it was insane that the umps didn't call it.
Best Phillies team ever? If they were they would’ve won the World Series.
@@GuitarGangsterArmi You clearly weren't around at that time. The best team doesn't always win, except in fantasy.
@@mikekaroules2820 The baseball gods made it up to us in 08. Giving us a 3 inning game with the lead.
Wonderful to have Harry and Rich back with us!
My brother and I hopped on the subway after school to get to The Vet that afternoon. Sat in the 600 level in right field.
The book THE FALL OF THE 1977 PHILLIES relates the story of this game in agonizing detail.
That was the book I read. I live in Chicago now.The love of the Cubs pales in comparison to Philly's fascination with the Phils. The only comparable fan relationship was Brooklyn's fascination with the Dodgers. In both cases the city's involvement was total and rabid. Philly (and the burbs) went into a trance during this game. Ainn't seen nothing like it since.
Larry Bowa calls it his most memorable game of his career, even more than 1980 Championship
@@Jiggs2u2 Been watching baseball (on TV) since 1971, still the most memorable game I ever saw...
@@thejackel1844 got off the subway we left school early, we could hear the roar of the crowd didn't make sense what was going on.. you could climb into the Vet, I was 17 we did it a lot.. while we walk right into the Bert Hooten meltdown.. the fans were screaming at the top of their lungs getting the signed and with each ball they erupted.. 67,000 some fans I believe it was just crazy and I was just the beginning of unbelievable things that happened in that game.. Black Friday indeed
One strike away from sealing the deal, and the 9th inning bunt that turned the Phil's upside down.... the wheels came off, and the meat of the order went down quietly. Who woulda thunk it?
Remember watching this. Grew up in PA. Of course... I was a Yankees fan, but would rather have seen the Phillies get past LA. Most of my friends LOVED their Phillies. It was hard NOT to love them. Truly classic team.
This game had so much crazy in it from start to finish Im surprised there hasnt been a movie or 30for30 about it
Where did 40 years go??
Always remember this game for many different reasons. Hooten coming apart at the seams & for very good reason. Yeager called out when he was safe, Garvey called safe win he was out. The sure-handed Russell's error, Cey airmailing the ball over Garvey's head and off the bat of The Great Michael Jack Schmidt of all people! 😳!! You know Cey wanted to dig a hole & crawl in it!
The relief pitcher who had my 15yr old self thinking my God, Louie Tiant is so pale! 😳? LOL 😆 Then a ball that Mike Schmidt gloves 99 out of a 100 times!
This was the game when I finally got Ol' Yogi's "It ain't over till it's OVER" So many HOF'rs & afew more that should be in playing such a sloppy game, Hollywood couldn't even make this one up 💪😎👍!
I love the human element in sports of possibly getting a bad call . Replays and challenges etc drain the game . It also allows me to whine that Garvey never touched home !!!
He still hasn't touched home.
Listen to Kalas and Ashburn @ 29:40. They're right! And how could Froemming and Wendelstedt go on to work for 30+ years making calls like that?
Watch the bottom of the second inning and tell me how some of these umps have kept a job.
Yeah ; tell me about it. They weren't bad calls they were just horrible .
Methinks enrolment at the Wendelstedt Umpire School the next winter dropped significantly.
The safe call on Mota in the ninth was so bad. The ump did not think Bowa could throw that hard to first and Hebner did not stretch for the ball.
thanks for the upload. I watched this game is amazement. ozark always put martin in late in games. but, the wild throw was the key in that inning. mota also hit that pitch off his shoetops.
Epic plays that could've ended the game @ 1:54:24 and 1:55:34. Luzinski blew his chance by not getting into position, but the grounder was simply a blown call. Kalas was being gracious - Lopes was out! - CJ
God know what Luzinski was doing in left field when Jerry Martin was the defensive replacement.
@M-Then GO being the only one watching. . . .
@M 🤐 Hush junior, the grown-up's are talking 🤨
Gene Garber was my favorite Phils player back then. I was so pissed when we traded him to Atlanta for Dick Ruthven in '78. This blown save might have had something to do with it.
But Ruthven saved game 5 of the NLCS in 1980 that led to Phillies winning their first World Series.
@@EphSBGGSO yes roofing was spotless in that game the Astros didn’t hit him at all
By the way, thanks for posting this. All I was missing was a soft pretzel and a Tastycake! I read a book recently that said the city hated the Phillies for not leaving town instead of the beloved Athletics. I do recall an almost hateful mood in the stands when I went to the Vet.I don't think any team has ever been booed more by its own fans than the Phils
Julius May
I stand corrected, Mr. typical Philly fan.
Lol Even Mike Schmidt for crying out loud.So the next time he came out on the field during pre-game warm ups wearing a wig.I swear there was nothing under that rug at the vet but concrete.
What??
Great video. My only complaint is that you cut off the Nolan Ryan game after the phillies! Listening to Harry Kalas made my night. Thanks for sharing.
Great dodger comeback go blue! Thanks for posting.
Glad they lost to the Yankees...
1:55:38 Before the Don Denkinger call, there was the Bruce Froemming call.
Let's face it Phillies were robbed, firdt base ump really blew an easy call. That should have ended the game,travesty of justice. Just like Jim Joyce admitted blown call in the almost perfect game.
This was "poetic justice" as the Dodgers were destined to win this game because of the home (er) plate umpires bogus calls against Hooton...
THE most painful loss ever...Cried myself to bed that night as a 5th grade Phil's fan...
same here. I still have not recovered 46 years later. The most brutal loss ever.
@@mattyrock2467 Well the Yankees took care of this Dodger team in 77 and in 78.
They sure did but that did not do much to ease the pain of that philly loss.@@JohnnyBGood11
Black Friday at the Vet. Heartbreaking watching this game with a sure win it appeared... You knew it was over after this game
I watched it after school. This was in the days when playoff games were during the day
RIP Mr Kalas! Great announcing
Steve Garvey still never touched home plate! 10:56
Phils still haven't walked Yeager to get to the pitcher 12:55
Those balls still never called strikes . Hooten given a raw deal and all of baseball knows it .
I think the home plate umpire for this game was Harry Wendlestedt, the stance looks like Harry's, and so did the strike call as well
Kevin Rose Umpires (Game 3)
HP Harry Wendelstedt
1B Bruce Froemming
2B Dutch Rennert
3B Paul Runge
LF Paul Pryor (CC)
RF Bob Engel
Wendelstadt should have been made to issue a public apology to Hooten the very next day. Those non strike calls were ugly calls or ugly noncalls for that matter .
The home plate ump might as well have been wearing a Phillie uniform in this game, especially in the bottom of the 2nd inning. He was calling balls that were clearly strikes.
and i guess the missed "out" in the top of the first where Boone blocked the plate went in favor of your Dodgers you seemed to have missed.
but in all fairness. the ump must have had a brain cloud that inning. clearly strikes on some of those pitches
Ken Camarda Garvey still hasn't touched the plate.......
Ken Foye Idiot comment!
The problem was starting "The Night Owl" in a day game. He liked to stay up late. Hooton was terrible in day games, kind of a problem when one pitches for the Cubs. Even in LA he had trouble in day games but at least there weren't many of them. He was getting squeezed on some of those before he got totally out of sink. Did you see him ask Wendelstet, "Where's the strike zone?" Back then in the NL if a pitch wasn't below the waist you could forget about getting a strike called. But a bit below the knees was often called a strike. AL umps would call strikes at the waist, maybe a shade above. Forget getting a knee high strike call most often. The said it was because the AL used outside chest protectors which blocked the umps view of the low pitches. An iffy excuse but there was a difference in the strike zone.
Had Major League Baseball gone to Instant Replay back in 1977, Lopes was out. But in 1977, baseball didn't use it.
I don't know. Hard to tell from the angle they showed, even when I slow down the slo-mo replay. Not enough evidence to overturn the call. On the other hand, Garvey clearly should have been out at home in the first inning. He never touched the plate!
Garvey play at the plate would have been reversed too
Too close to overturn....lopes was safe btw
@@brettshepherd5240 I'm not disputing that the dodgers were the better team and deserved to win. But the lopes call and the Garvey call both would have been overturned. Maybe it was karma because harry wendelstedt squeezed Burt hooten earlier in the game costing the dodgers dearly
In the previous inning Kalas stated that the Dodgers came unraveled. The Phillies came unraveled in the 9th. They had two outs with no one on, then a drag bunt, two strikes on Mota and he hits one that Luzinski can't field, then the mishandle by Schmidt (although I think Lopes was out), mishandled throw by Hebner then Lopes sores on a single by Russell. Garber did a poor job in the 9th, a decent left fielder could have caught the ball by Manny Mota, Schmidt should have fielded the ball and thrown Lopes out
On Mota's hit in the 9th, where was Hebner when Luzinski threw to second? If he had backed up Sizemore, Mota would have stayed at second and would not have scored on Lopes' hit. That could have changed the strategy and maybe the Phillies would have found a way to hold on. And why didn't Ozark have somebody warming in the bullpen?
That’s a great point. Add to it thst Hebner made an error on the pickoff play and made the last out.
Aren't we missing another huge managerial goof by Ozark? He absolutely should have pinch hit for Garber in the 8th and brought in a kinda decent closer in the top of the ninth. I think that closer's name was, um, TUG MCGRAW!
I don't think that's fair. He should have subbed Luzinski out though for sure.
Rose had to be watching this game thinking I got to get on that team to wake them up. He did in 1980.
It took a Rose to make the Phils World Series Champs in 1980. Their first title in their then 97 year history.
Wendelstedt did not do well behind the plate. He also was the umpire who threw Jay Howell out in Game 3 of the 88 NLCS. Safe to say that Lasorda is not a Harry Wendelstedt fan.
1:57:03 Davey Lopes holding on to his batting helmet while stealing second. LOL!
He was taking second on an errant throw. Not the same thing as stealing second with his helmet.
Hooten wasn't getting any called strikes. Raw deal
Say what you want about the 9th inning but Steve Garvey has yet to touch home plate.
@101Logical ; they were the worse calls I have seen in my life . There should be and should have been disciplinary action when officials in professional sports make really egregious calls. These weren't bad calls. They were egregious .
Wow two outs, no one on and up 5-3. Lasorda out maneuvered the Phillies. Pinch hitter drag bunt brilliant and Mota hit put max pressure on Philly. Luzinski must catch that fly ball. Should have sub’d him out for defense bottom 9. Man what a loss
No matter who wins... What a feeling, when you've convinced yourself that it's over, and have resigned yourself to the fact that tomorrow is gonna royally suck... only to have a miracle drop in your lap.
Ron Cey "the penguin" one of my all-time favorites, is he in the Hall of fame?
+JoJoGunn n your in the peasize hall of fame........ because of your brain.
No. He had a very good career, but not at a Hall of Fame level.
no he does not quite have the statstics to be a hall of famer. but he was a very good player.
No, sadly enough...despite a good career (316 HR, 1,139 RBI, .261 career average)
I practically lived at Doyer Stadium In 70s..The Penguin was great, but nowhere near HOF caliber. Helluva knack for clutch hitting though.
SPOILER ALERT
This game really surprised me! Thanks for the post. I didn't remember who one this game, but when I saw it's posted by "ClassicPhilliesTV", I figured it was a Phillies win. And when the Dodgers took the lead in the ninth, I was amazed. I thought maybe the Phillies would come back and tie it, and it would go extra innings, because there was another hour left on the video. And then they went out in the ninth, and the Dodgers won! Ha, good one. You fooled me with all the extra time!
I was a Dodger fan in the 1970's and actually went to this game during the first month of my freshman year in college. Unforgettable experience.
Wow, really? What was it like to be at that game?!
@@gaherbie8386 As one of
To Phillies TV did you tape these yourself ? Thanks for posting everything
17:20 Harry Kalas is great and all, but that was a straight fastball, not a knuckle curveball. Not sure what Kalas is looking at there.
1:42.15 - "The Dodgers have totally come unglued"
in a little while we'd see what totally come unglued REALLY looked like.
Lopes was safe- before instant replay.
I think that walk to LC that walked in a run was a make up call for that first run where the Dodger was out but called safe.
2:05:18 Garvey sure made a statement the way he stomped on 1st base to end the game. I would have to think Phillies fans (and players) must have taken exception to that. That looked like he was kind of saying "take that, you fucks!"
Any type of stretch by hebner, and lopes is out
45 years later and I still think Lopes was out
it was a bang bang play at first...but Lopes was out....however, the Phils didn't lose the game there...the shouldn't have been in that position in the first place....Luzinski MUST catch that fly ball...Garber shouldn't have left a hittable ball on an 0-2 pitch to Mota....then Sizemore's error was inexcusable...that wasn't a tough ball to handle....
Sizemore's error changed everything. Mota doesn't move from 2nd on Lopes' ball. I think that should have been an error on Schmidt. Lopes may have been out by a hair but you can't blame the ump on a play that close. They scored Lopes as getting picked off and giving Garber an error. Hebner should have caught Garber's throw so it should be E3. That killed them the most - Lopes to 2nd. Mota's run only tied it up, Lopes run won it. That was some bunt by Davalillo. Both of those guys were like 40+ or close to it. No one was more clutch than Mota. He did it time and time again.
Luzinski actually caught the ball without the ball hitting the fence!!!
The ball hit off luzinsks glove and hits the wall for a trap, anyone can see that.
A playoff meltdown like this wouldn't be seen again until 1986...
Great comeback in the history of baseball
I think it was a good call why weren't they trying to get the guy out at home plate?
These are the best umps in the game yeah right 😆😁😄😃😀😅😂🤣😭
It pains me to watch this game!
This game was probably the low point of The city's morale. It was a devastating defeat and reinforced the idea of Philly being the city of losers. The 1980 championship team erased some of the pain, but the bitterness of 1977 lingered. It's been said that the city almost resented the 1980 team for not giving them something to boo or cry about anymore. At any rate, the 1977 Phillies have gone down as one of the greatest teams not to win a pennant. A sad legacy.
The 1980 team was much better. Pete Rose gave that team a shot in the arm that no one on their 1977 or 1978 roster could.
Stephen schmidt Maybe, but the stats don't back you up. The '77 team won 10 more games and had career years from Mcbride and Luzinski, among others. The bullpen of McGraw, Garber, Reed, and Brusstar had a collective ERA of about 2.5. After picking up McBride from the Cards, they went on a spectacular streak, winning 19 of 20, including 13 in a row. That streak included a 4 game sweep of the Dodgers. Rose was good, but the fact remains he was on the downside by 1980, hitting only .280, with no power.
The greatness of the 1980 team was in their ability to come back while trailing. The 1977 team almost never lost a lead. They just beat their opponents up, so any comeback ability they may have had was never tested. It proved to be their Achilles heel in the playoffs, as they got rattled when the Dodgers rallied. I still say the 1980 team was tougher, tough as nails in fact, but the 1977 team had more talent.
Another thing: The competition faced by the '77 team was greater than the '80 team. Houston lost the best pitcher in the game when J.R. Richard had a stroke. Without him, they stood little chance of winning a title. Their offense was anemic. The '77 Dodgers were a powerhouse in all phases of the game. Still, the Phils should have beat them. They were that good.
bruceduece1 WHAT??? That was arguably the greatest LCS in HISTORY!!!! In victory they had a MUCH harder road than in 77.....4 extra inning games....and had to come back from 5-2 down vs Ryan...on the road.....they still had VERY solid pitching....and their wasn't THAT anemic...it wasn't like the Phils shut them down in the series...
2 things...that ball hit by Mota was not an easy catch, and Bowa double pumping cost that out.
This game still makes me mad, all these years later.
same here bro. 46 years later and i am still pissed.
Lopes appears to be out but if Terry Harmon stretches even a little bit he would have been for sure. That call didn't cost them the game....the awful pickup throw is what put Lopes at second.
Uh yes it did...If Lopes is called out the game is OVER.....There were 2 outs!!!!
Harmon was a great utility player for us back then. My favorite utility player was 1st baseman Tommy Hutton. Great glove.
Jimmy King.....so was Jerry Martin who for some reason was on the bench this inning instead of in left field......like he was all season long in the late innings
I hear that.
Terry Harmon? Where was he playing on the play? The 1st baseman was Richie Hebner.
Bad day for umpire Harry Wendelstat. Missing calls all over the place on this day.
Harvey Callus is the announcer?
Yes, Harry Kalas was the Phillies broadcaster as well as a voice fir NFL Films (nfl game of the week, nfl week in review, inside the nfl, etc)
@@junkfromthetrunk7121 Harry Kalas is one of the best of all time
Worst loss ever
The Phillies just fell apart in this game in the 9th inning with just one thing after another. It’s like, they had the game all wrapped up in the 9th and they just gave it to the Dodgers. Personally, i wouldn’t of let Gene Garber bat in the bottom of the 8th knowing I had Tug McGraw available to close out the game in the 9th. I didn’t think the Phillies had a good manager with Danny Ozark. You gotta manage aggressively. Ozark managed cautiously. It’s a shame because in 77, they really had a lot of talent on that Phillies team. Can you imagine if they had a guy like Billy Martin or Earl Weaver managing that team! They probably would be in the 77 and 78 World Series.
Never forget it .never. how I hated the dodgers!!
Had Hebner stretched even a little bit, Lopes would have been called out.
You are totally right....you gotta "sell" the play by doing that.......he didn't
Hey Danny Ozark, two words: Jerry Martin.
I just watched through the Hooten meltdown and the Dodger rally in the 9th. Of the 8 runs I watched score 7 of them a result of crap umpires. Garvey out at the plate. Hooten couldn't have walked up and put the ball more over the plate. Then to the 9th, Lopes was out. I just hope the other runs were legit.
Why was Luzinski still in the game in the 9th? He was always a poor outfielder. Ozark pinch runs for him in the bottom of the inning, yet left him in in the top of the inning on defense? Hmm ...
Ozark a manager ?? He was an idiot and is to blame for that loss.
1:54:24 SMH.
He was f*cking out!
Yeah, he was. Yankees would probably have beaten the Phillies in the World Series anyway. It was their year. They didn't have a whole lot of trouble against L.A., so I don't think it would've been much different against Philly.
Yes indeed everyone in America agrees with you.... except the blind umpire.
But they were strikes ( in the 2nd ) . Balances out .
Black Friday. Ugh.
Blue Friday ;)
Now that is how the baseball stirrups are worn! That's Big League! Hey you kids! Get off my lawn!
2 outs in the 9th and they can't get Davalillo or Mota.......lol......talk about the word " suck "!!!!!
Thomas Linski I always wondered why Ozark didn't bring in McGraw in the 9th.
Schmidt blew the game.
Lopes was out. I'm still not over that game.
Typical lucky Dodgers. They always got the close calls and the left fielder comes an inch of catching the ball.
He was out
They were strikes ( in the 2nd ) .
At 1st he's safe bad throw to 1st game thrown to dodgers they play yankees
I'm sorry Bill Russell always bothered me at 6 for the Dodgers.
Garvey must have dug 1000 Russell bricks out of the dirt saving his ass. The one time he didn't Russell's brick cost Jerry Reuss a perfect game.
Lopes was definitely out....
He was. It wasn't so glaringly apparent that an umpire had no business calling him safe (think Don Deninger in the 1985 WS), but he was unquestionably out.
Daniel Zanier oh yeah. That call in game 6 was arguably one of the worst in world series history....
Andre Vaughn You say that to Royals fans and they think the call was okay and start calling you names and say it was the cardinals fault for batting .232 & St Louis should have done better and the cardinals should have not been in that position??? makes no sense...I'm not a St Louis fan but that changed the outcome of the series...in my opinion getting the first out is everything in a ball game...should have been protested and replayed from that point forward...make things right.
Daniel Zanier I posted this up above but I'll post it here too: @ 1:56:00 and 1:56:07 you can see the exact moment that the ball hits the glove. While I can't be 100% sure, it also appears that In both frames Lopes' foot is touching the bag. I guess my point is, even with the luxury of slow motion replay and a pause button, I cannot tell if he's safe or out, which means it would've been close to impossible, if not impossible, for the ump to be sure in real time. And if the ump cannot see that the runner is out, he cannot call him out - he's got to give him the benefit of the doubt.
JohnnyBGood11 Well, I can't expect a Royals' fan to be anything but happy with Denkinger's call. If, however, they insist that Orta was out, I would lose all respect for them. It's not even a question of opinion. There was no replay back then, so the Cards were stuck with the call. If any Royals' fan were to tell me with a straight face that Orta was safe, i would lose all respect for them. The Royals won the series and have nothing to apologize for. What they should really point out is how Clark didn't get to Balboni's foul pop, which would've been out number 1, and then he singled on an 0-2 count. Plus, Worrell threw a wild picth that Porter didn't handle. The Royals had plenty of help from the Cardinals that inning. In their arguments with Cards' fans, they should point that out. But as far as call by Denkinger being ok, it was not ok. It was TERRIBLE.
lopes was out
michael carbonara @ 1:56:00 and 1:56:07 you can see the exact moment that the ball hits the glove. While I can't be 100% sure, it also appears that In both frames Lopes' foot is touching the bag. I guess my point is, even with the luxury of slow motion replay and a pause button, I cannot tell if he's safe or out, which means it would've been close to impossible, if not impossible, for the ump to be sure in real time. And if the ump cannot see that the runner is out, he cannot call him out - he's got to give him the benefit of the doubt.
+Kevin totally correct assessment...an umpire never guesses strikes or outs.
+mike de carlo To reiterate on what Kevin said, I saw that the ball was in Hebner's glove the SAME time Lopes' foot touched the bag. In a situation like this, if the ball and runner come across simultaneously, the tie-breaker goes to the runner. For a guy to be out, the ball would have to BEAT the runner and make sure the fielder's foot is on the bag. The ball did not beat the runner--by the skin of their teeth--and therefore, Lopes was safe.
+NFL-MLB Classics I agree with what Kevin said. im just saying umpires don't guess strikes or outs. mlb network did,a piece about controversial calls and they had 14 umpires make that call.....half said safe..half said out. those four at bats (davalillo, mota, lopes,and russell) basically were a huge clusterfuck for the Phillies.
Blame schmidt you crybaby phillies fans...LOPES WAS SAFE
He was out by half a step.