If you want to play the aggravate core (nahida kazuha and fischl) and still have some healing you can just put prototype crescent on nahida. You will lose a little bit of damage on Nahida, but because she scale mostly with EM it wont affecte her damage that much and the team will be a lot more comfy to play.
Why? she isn't at the lvl of arlecchino or neuvillete but she is still pretty good on aggravate teams, more than enough to beat the abyss, she is absolutely going to be better than many main dps like itto, ayaka, ganyu, yoimiya, wanderer, maybe somewhere around wrio but probably still better cuz her best teams are already crazy by themselves.
@@felixdarkterror1321 As someone who already has cyno and C3 Keqing I wanted something different than the general aggrevate and quick bloom teams. For example if Clorinde specialised in taser, that would’ve been really cool
traveler for more damage, yaoyao for more comfort. But since most your damage is coming from aggravate and not spread, the damage difference between yaoyao and traveler for aggravate teams is not significant
@@yoi.miya77 then how about Yun Jin c0? since her E is counted as normal attack sure Yun Jin can buff her, another thing will be either losing Fishle or Kazuha or dendro, and might as well free Kazuha for some other teams that needs him more, but I don't know what do you think?
@@khatry_s if your other teammates are unavailable, or more useful on other teams, then yunjin is a good alternative teammate. However if your kazuha is unavailable, sucrose with TTDS would be better than yunjin in place of kazuha
Since Nahida's EM buffs relies on the EM of the party member with highest EM, then you can just use Prototype Amber for Nahida. Kazuha will have the 900+ EM. No need for dedicated healer.
THIS IS INDEED TRUE. altho for some players including myself sometimes i still find it hard to solely rely on prototype amber as my sole source of sustain
@@yoi.miya77 I wish I had a better dendro sustainer that is also as good at applying Dendro. Nahida is great at application, but the Dendro is too strong it's so tedious just to swirl electro. We need better Dendro off field applicators. Yaoyao sucks.
@@kibathefang6022 you should always swirl electro first b4 applying any kind of dendro so u can gaurantee it, if ur trying to reswirl electro to maintain the buff, try to keep an eye on when oz lands an attack on an enemy, u can also switch off keqing out of her burst early to time ur swirl with the end of ur burst as well. not sure if u can do the same with clorinde yet but those shuld help w being able to swirl electro more consistently
if u just care about meta then you could skip her, she will be good, but wont be super strong like how arlecchino and neuvilette are. however she will be a good electro dps, so if thats what ur looking for you could def pull
I don't think it is fair to compare her to neuvi or arlechino, if your reason to pull is to look for a character that is at their level no existent chraracter in the roster compares to them, and probably not gonna happen in a long time. You should probably wait for her release to decide, as the lvl of the characters from fontaine has been pretty high as the standart compared to other regions, at least for on-fielders, just look at inazuma, all their characters are from mid to good but not amazing, except for raiden who is still top tier to this day (no C2 needed).
@@yoi.miya77 I know, is just that now if you don't say the character is amazing they think the character is mid for some reason, arle and neuvi just set the standarts way too high. If arle and neuvi are S tier most strong dps charcaters are A tier in comparison, but they think A tier is bad or they look at just the personal damage of the character but not at the hole teams damage. like when they compare navia to alheitham, and they don't realize alheitham's team is just super strong, they don't get big screenshot numbers, but the total damage is crazy, Clorinde even if maybe not at the same lvl she also has the benefit of her team being really strong by default. But trying to explain "hey wait for the character to come out first and don't compare it to the broken tier ones" is starting to become difficult.
Thank you! I would say Collei is not a good combo regardless of the movement synergy because collei does not offer as much utility/damage compared to other dendro units
This doesn't look like a very fair comparison, in my opinion. You have a section of your video called "Keqin's flaws" but you don't have the correspondent "Clorinde flaws", as if you're implying she doesn't have any (and I'm thinking, for instance, how she has more down time than up time). Also, some of these alleged "Keqin's flaws" are not even right anymore. The arrival of dendro and the now mandatory use of Thundering Fury set on her have vanished the stamina problems you mentioned.
the TF set does not entirely rid the stamina problems, you would just have to resort to the NA string instead, and u would end up losing dps bc u wuld be unable to spam CAs. keqing having dendro helps her but doesnt fully solve her stamina issues. clorinde may have flaws corresponding to her downtime, however her cooldowns and rotations can be extended with 4p TF and during her downtimes is when u can reset her teammates rotations and skills. im not sure how much downtime you would have but i dont think itd be long enough where you would have a large dps loss from waiting on CDs
@@yoi.miya77 You're talking abt Keqing's "flaws" as if you're stuck in 2021 playing physical CA spam Keqing. If you're completely running out of stamina you're not playing her correctly. Not to mention aggravate team is way more flexible rotation wise than some other teams, and you have Kazuha's cc and even Fischl's burst movement for closing gaps. Her CA's knocking enemies back issue is exaggerated too, abyss 12 is full of bosses and heavy enemies. And you have Kazuha for grouping.
@@subzero_temperature It is very possible to run out of stamina on keqing. not everyone can play perfectly. if you have a wave of enemies spawn on the other side, you have to consume stamina to get there faster. its also common to get hit away or knocked back and have to consume stamina to run back towards the enemy as well. its also common to use stamina to dodge and i-frame whether its successful or not. additionally, being afflicted by cryo makes you consume more stamina. there are many scenarios where it is possible to run out of stamina. There are also many enemies that dash away, or move away from you that require you to consume stamina to close the gap. kazuha and fischls burst can help with closing gaps yes, however using fischls burst just to close gap can affect fischl's oz's uptime if you dont use it at the right time.
@@yoi.miya77 All of those things apply to a lot of other characters, it's not exclusive to Keqing. And it still sounds like you're trying to play her like a hypercarry if ur struggling this much with stamina, rather than use the quickswappy nature of the whole aggravate team.
She seems very underwhelming unless Hoyo does something with the new mechanic keep in mind that they may very well do. Supports that buff how fast you get your bond for instance. If such a unit is released all of this changes in an instant and they may have "nerfed" her damage because they plan said unit. The idea is to make you waste your primos on something else in the meantime I would not be surprised.
Been on a Clorinde content grind, this video was really great at highlighting differences between the two! I’m curious as to your thoughts on Yun Jin. I’m in an oddly unique position of slotting Chiori’s weapon on Clorinde but don’t know if it’s worth slotting off Kazoo just for the passive. I’m guessing it depends on either Aoe or boss content.
THANK YOU FOR UR COMMENTS EHEHE, I think chioris weapon would work well on her especially because it gives great stats. in general i think yunjin would work well with clorinde but i think yunjin would only be used if the other units arent available like kazuha for example. altho not the greatest replacement but can yunjin and clorinde can still work well together
So first I'd say Kirara is surprisingly potent with Keqing at least, but this is part because of rotation speed combined with buffs and Clorinde likely will just have a bit more downtime if not a crazy amount on TF. But with Clorinde, and with the combination you mentioned the other thing with Nahida and Kazuha is with mild dolphining, or going for both, the whole VV+40+ DMG and at C2 200EM, and then Nahida with DEF reduction and all the multi-target she does with otherwise great single target team, it all stacks insanely well, its all buffs stacking in different areas which is where things heat up like crazy. I'm not too worried about Clorinde doing well because even if people who play her don't say Keqing is the strongest, over-rate her or her team too much, the low investment speedruns she puts out speak for themselves, she does fantastic for a character not considered to be the strongest so even if Clorinde is same, i can't imagine her being "bad" in any way. If she ends up Electro Navia (strong but more known for good gameplay) then that would be best of everything. Oh, and just from tests you mention Baizhu in Quickbloom, it works and has benefit he is easier and more sensible to put Instructor on, easier to buff Furina, but keep in mind Dendro up time gets reduced, its definitely still there but its not constant like with Nahida, so its a trade. At C2 on Furina i'd just stick to Nahida (Prototype Amber) but at C0s i think its warranted to use Baizhu since the lack of Dendro up time can be made up with raw damage to a better degree.
yeah kirara is definitely great with keqing, itll def take more primos if u wanted cons w nahida and kazuha but nonetheless they are very potent and i feel like it was worth mentioning bc i felt like many people have nahida and kazuha anyway, and if people dont thats okay bc there are good alternatives but i just felt like it was important mentioning that trio core bc it allows you to have the highest dmg potential, and i felt that it was important to realize that clorinde can have a much easier time surviving compared to keqing if they were played in the same teams i also think clorinde will be a good dps overall, especially granted that i feel like keqing herself is still pretty strong
Hey how will clorinde rank in terms of DPS compared to neuville arle and other? If you had to rank her as dps character which tier would you put her? I'm conflicted between clorinde and furina. I have cyno miko raiden c6 beidou but i dislike electro to full extent. Seeing more and more of clorinde she looks like those standard electro character with more dmg.
if arle and neuvilette were s, i would say shes A as of now but i cant say that for sure bc shes not out yet. however just because shes A does not mean shes mid or not that good, shes still gonna be good, its just that arle and neuv are just insanely good and are like outliers. if u js care about meta then u could skip and probly be fine, especially if u pull for furina instead if u dont have her yet, also if u dislike electro thats also more incentive to not pull LOL.
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Your microphone sadly makes your videos hard to listen to
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@@yoi.miya77 it's just the audio quality
Your content itself is good
@@lostforever773 ILL TRY TO SEE IF I CAN MAKE MY MIC MORE CLEAR IN MY FUTURE VIDEOS. TYSM FOR THE COMMENT AND TELLING ME THO EHEHEHE
@@yoi.miya77 it's clear, just not good audio wise, hard to explain
@@lostforever773i see, i ngl amped the volume decibals bc my audio was rly low volume💀
i think,i will skip clorinde fr,because the gameplay is not like what i need,so i think i will take sigewinne and furina😍😍
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If you want to play the aggravate core (nahida kazuha and fischl) and still have some healing you can just put prototype crescent on nahida. You will lose a little bit of damage on Nahida, but because she scale mostly with EM it wont affecte her damage that much and the team will be a lot more comfy to play.
oh yeah fs
God im disappointed with the numbers…
Imma just use my fates for a Furina constellation
yeah the mvs are on the lower side, although i think shell still be a good dps bc of quicken/quickbloom
Why? she isn't at the lvl of arlecchino or neuvillete but she is still pretty good on aggravate teams, more than enough to beat the abyss, she is absolutely going to be better than many main dps like itto, ayaka, ganyu, yoimiya, wanderer, maybe somewhere around wrio but probably still better cuz her best teams are already crazy by themselves.
@@felixdarkterror1321 As someone who already has cyno and C3 Keqing I wanted something different than the general aggrevate and quick bloom teams.
For example if Clorinde specialised in taser, that would’ve been really cool
well I don't have Nahida or baizu or even furina, so who will I use then? travler c6? or yao yao c1?
traveler for more damage, yaoyao for more comfort. But since most your damage is coming from aggravate and not spread, the damage difference between yaoyao and traveler for aggravate teams is not significant
@@yoi.miya77 then how about Yun Jin c0? since her E is counted as normal attack sure Yun Jin can buff her, another thing will be either losing Fishle or Kazuha or dendro, and might as well free Kazuha for some other teams that needs him more, but I don't know what do you think?
@@khatry_s if your other teammates are unavailable, or more useful on other teams, then yunjin is a good alternative teammate. However if your kazuha is unavailable, sucrose with TTDS would be better than yunjin in place of kazuha
So what IS the the verdict?
i would say that clorinde is generally better, but id have to test after clorinde comes out to be sure of that
@@yoi.miya77 thank you
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Since Nahida's EM buffs relies on the EM of the party member with highest EM, then you can just use Prototype Amber for Nahida. Kazuha will have the 900+ EM. No need for dedicated healer.
THIS IS INDEED TRUE.
altho for some players including myself sometimes i still find it hard to solely rely on prototype amber as my sole source of sustain
@@yoi.miya77 I wish I had a better dendro sustainer that is also as good at applying Dendro. Nahida is great at application, but the Dendro is too strong it's so tedious just to swirl electro. We need better Dendro off field applicators. Yaoyao sucks.
@@kibathefang6022 you should always swirl electro first b4 applying any kind of dendro so u can gaurantee it, if ur trying to reswirl electro to maintain the buff, try to keep an eye on when oz lands an attack on an enemy, u can also switch off keqing out of her burst early to time ur swirl with the end of ur burst as well. not sure if u can do the same with clorinde yet but those shuld help w being able to swirl electro more consistently
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give your honest opinion do I even pull for her? oe just wait for natlan, if she's really good only then I'll pull or just wait for someone strong
if u just care about meta then you could skip her, she will be good, but wont be super strong like how arlecchino and neuvilette are. however she will be a good electro dps, so if thats what ur looking for you could def pull
@@yoi.miya77 thanks I have arle, keqing so I'll skip then
I don't think it is fair to compare her to neuvi or arlechino, if your reason to pull is to look for a character that is at their level no existent chraracter in the roster compares to them, and probably not gonna happen in a long time.
You should probably wait for her release to decide, as the lvl of the characters from fontaine has been pretty high as the standart compared to other regions, at least for on-fielders, just look at inazuma, all their characters are from mid to good but not amazing, except for raiden who is still top tier to this day (no C2 needed).
@@felixdarkterror1321 yeah i fully agree, i just was saying that from a objective and meta perspective but truthfully shes still gonna be a good unit
@@yoi.miya77 I know, is just that now if you don't say the character is amazing they think the character is mid for some reason, arle and neuvi just set the standarts way too high.
If arle and neuvi are S tier most strong dps charcaters are A tier in comparison, but they think A tier is bad or they look at just the personal damage of the character but not at the hole teams damage.
like when they compare navia to alheitham, and they don't realize alheitham's team is just super strong, they don't get big screenshot numbers, but the total damage is crazy, Clorinde even if maybe not at the same lvl she also has the benefit of her team being really strong by default.
But trying to explain "hey wait for the character to come out first and don't compare it to the broken tier ones" is starting to become difficult.
Yea im keeping Keqing, ive already leveled her and i like her.
HAHAHAHA I TOO LIKE KEQING, LEVELED AND BUILT HER AND EVERYTHING BUT STILL WANT CLORINDE
Should've done a quick verdict towards the end
Good video. I've been meaning to ask, if Collie has a good combo with her skill? 'cause she jumps forward with her skill?
Thank you! I would say Collei is not a good combo regardless of the movement synergy because collei does not offer as much utility/damage compared to other dendro units
this is a pretty expensive team comp to run, but keqing with nahida, furina, and cloud retainer is extremely fun
oh yeah its quite expensive but indeed really fun!
Raiden solos🧏♂️🤫
Better Keqing doesn't have to mean mid
Even if Clorinde was a better Keqing
yeah altho i think keqing is a good dps herself so i also think clorinde would be good too and not just mid
This doesn't look like a very fair comparison, in my opinion. You have a section of your video called "Keqin's flaws" but you don't have the correspondent "Clorinde flaws", as if you're implying she doesn't have any (and I'm thinking, for instance, how she has more down time than up time).
Also, some of these alleged "Keqin's flaws" are not even right anymore. The arrival of dendro and the now mandatory use of Thundering Fury set on her have vanished the stamina problems you mentioned.
the TF set does not entirely rid the stamina problems, you would just have to resort to the NA string instead, and u would end up losing dps bc u wuld be unable to spam CAs. keqing having dendro helps her but doesnt fully solve her stamina issues.
clorinde may have flaws corresponding to her downtime, however her cooldowns and rotations can be extended with 4p TF and during her downtimes is when u can reset her teammates rotations and skills. im not sure how much downtime you would have but i dont think itd be long enough where you would have a large dps loss from waiting on CDs
@@yoi.miya77 You're talking abt Keqing's "flaws" as if you're stuck in 2021 playing physical CA spam Keqing. If you're completely running out of stamina you're not playing her correctly. Not to mention aggravate team is way more flexible rotation wise than some other teams, and you have Kazuha's cc and even Fischl's burst movement for closing gaps. Her CA's knocking enemies back issue is exaggerated too, abyss 12 is full of bosses and heavy enemies. And you have Kazuha for grouping.
@@subzero_temperature It is very possible to run out of stamina on keqing. not everyone can play perfectly. if you have a wave of enemies spawn on the other side, you have to consume stamina to get there faster. its also common to get hit away or knocked back and have to consume stamina to run back towards the enemy as well. its also common to use stamina to dodge and i-frame whether its successful or not. additionally, being afflicted by cryo makes you consume more stamina. there are many scenarios where it is possible to run out of stamina. There are also many enemies that dash away, or move away from you that require you to consume stamina to close the gap. kazuha and fischls burst can help with closing gaps yes, however using fischls burst just to close gap can affect fischl's oz's uptime if you dont use it at the right time.
@@yoi.miya77 you have never played keqing quick swap before have you
@@yoi.miya77 All of those things apply to a lot of other characters, it's not exclusive to Keqing. And it still sounds like you're trying to play her like a hypercarry if ur struggling this much with stamina, rather than use the quickswappy nature of the whole aggravate team.
She seems very underwhelming unless Hoyo does something with the new mechanic keep in mind that they may very well do. Supports that buff how fast you get your bond for instance. If such a unit is released all of this changes in an instant and they may have "nerfed" her damage because they plan said unit. The idea is to make you waste your primos on something else in the meantime I would not be surprised.
Been on a Clorinde content grind, this video was really great at highlighting differences between the two!
I’m curious as to your thoughts on Yun Jin. I’m in an oddly unique position of slotting Chiori’s weapon on Clorinde but don’t know if it’s worth slotting off Kazoo just for the passive. I’m guessing it depends on either Aoe or boss content.
THANK YOU FOR UR COMMENTS EHEHE,
I think chioris weapon would work well on her especially because it gives great stats. in general i think yunjin would work well with clorinde but i think yunjin would only be used if the other units arent available like kazuha for example. altho not the greatest replacement but can yunjin and clorinde can still work well together
So first I'd say Kirara is surprisingly potent with Keqing at least, but this is part because of rotation speed combined with buffs and Clorinde likely will just have a bit more downtime if not a crazy amount on TF. But with Clorinde, and with the combination you mentioned the other thing with Nahida and Kazuha is with mild dolphining, or going for both, the whole VV+40+ DMG and at C2 200EM, and then Nahida with DEF reduction and all the multi-target she does with otherwise great single target team, it all stacks insanely well, its all buffs stacking in different areas which is where things heat up like crazy.
I'm not too worried about Clorinde doing well because even if people who play her don't say Keqing is the strongest, over-rate her or her team too much, the low investment speedruns she puts out speak for themselves, she does fantastic for a character not considered to be the strongest so even if Clorinde is same, i can't imagine her being "bad" in any way. If she ends up Electro Navia (strong but more known for good gameplay) then that would be best of everything.
Oh, and just from tests you mention Baizhu in Quickbloom, it works and has benefit he is easier and more sensible to put Instructor on, easier to buff Furina, but keep in mind Dendro up time gets reduced, its definitely still there but its not constant like with Nahida, so its a trade. At C2 on Furina i'd just stick to Nahida (Prototype Amber) but at C0s i think its warranted to use Baizhu since the lack of Dendro up time can be made up with raw damage to a better degree.
yeah kirara is definitely great with keqing, itll def take more primos if u wanted cons w nahida and kazuha but nonetheless they are very potent and i feel like it was worth mentioning bc i felt like many people have nahida and kazuha anyway, and if people dont thats okay bc there are good alternatives but i just felt like it was important mentioning that trio core bc it allows you to have the highest dmg potential, and i felt that it was important to realize that clorinde can have a much easier time surviving compared to keqing if they were played in the same teams
i also think clorinde will be a good dps overall, especially granted that i feel like keqing herself is still pretty strong
Hey how will clorinde rank in terms of DPS compared to neuville arle and other? If you had to rank her as dps character which tier would you put her? I'm conflicted between clorinde and furina. I have cyno miko raiden c6 beidou but i dislike electro to full extent. Seeing more and more of clorinde she looks like those standard electro character with more dmg.
if arle and neuvilette were s, i would say shes A as of now but i cant say that for sure bc shes not out yet. however just because shes A does not mean shes mid or not that good, shes still gonna be good, its just that arle and neuv are just insanely good and are like outliers. if u js care about meta then u could skip and probly be fine, especially if u pull for furina instead if u dont have her yet, also if u dislike electro thats also more incentive to not pull LOL.