@@lindseyhunt1090garageb cpu doesn’t matter as much in high resolution low refresh rate gaming. Cpu matters if you want 144 fps, which usually means either esports titles for 4k or aaa games at 1440p or 1080p. At 4k you are way too gpu bottlenecked for the cpu to hit high frame rates
This one was one of the greatest benchmark tests i've ever watched, u deserve way more subscribers than that that's for sure. Thank you for the test and all efforts that u put again. I also have a i7-8700 CPU :)
@@madhaze0126 a Zotac AMP Edition Nvidia 1080 ti. combined with the 8700k its between a PS5 and an Xbox Series X. So I may actually have to upgrade to the 4070 ti as it consumes the same amount of power but is twice as efficient.
I bought a 3070ti but i am having troubles with stuttering and bottlenecking. The cpu sadly is not keeping up which means im goint go have to upgrade ( Have my xmp profiles going @ 3200mhz 48gb ram, synched cores at 4.8ghz 1.3v - have tried even the boost OC Game Wizzard zero) Some say i have to go up to 2k/4k Gaming monitor as 1080 is my problem / others saying again just upgrade cpu and mobo to latest amd/intel?? Anyone else perhaps had this issues?
I thought my 7700k would do worst but its actually not bad. Buying a 4070 soon might just keep my CPU for a bit longer till I can get a better one. Thanks for the vid it helped a lot.
AMD offerings like the 5800x3d or 7800x3d seem to have similar or better game performance to 13th gen intel without a ton of power consumption. I haven't bought one yet though, I think it's best to wait one more generation and pick one up on sale, especially since DDR5 and PCIE 5 are so new.
I have an i7 9700k with a 2060 Super and was thinking of upgrading to a 4070Ti rather than a 4080 as I thought my i7 would bottleneck it - this video has saved me time and money. Next stop overclocking the cpu to 5 from 3.6
just an update to this - i went to overclock my cpu (given i have never done it) and multiple benchmarking software showed it already running at 4600 - how is this possible?
@@neilsaunders5489 It automatically boost clocks to 4.6ghz under load. if you have a good mid to high end board and cooling solution, it can boost to 4.8ghz without you having to do anything.
Im using the i7 9700k with a asus strix 2080ti and have a samsung odyssey g9 screen. After this vid im getting the 4080. No need to upgrade anything else. Thx alot for the vid. Cheers.
@@Yndiax well I bought a i7 13700k with the 4080 strix amd ddr 5 and so on and so on hehe. Dident try with the i7 9700k but I bet it works without much frame drop.
great line up. i think more people should see this test. its a more realistic version of frame rates with older gear. top reviewers are focused on trying to show as much difference as possible. costs are just insane. they dont justify the performance.
People need to keep in mind that one of the biggest improvements here are the 1% lows. The 13700k is the most consistent by far. Looking at anywhere between a 50-80% performance boost on the lows over the 9700k. I will take stability and consistency over raw averages any day.
I quickly did the math, at 1440p, the perf boost for the 1% low is at most 18%. Not 50-80%. Also I don't think 1% low figures are nearly as meaningful as you pretend. You can have low lows and a perfectly smooth game, especially if you play with gsync
I play 1440p 60 fps so the 1% lows still have a ton of headroom with a 6700K. The hilarious thing is I paired it with a single GTX 1080 at one point and other than sometimes needing FSR, it played new games at max detail without stuttering. I couldn't see the difference with FSR on either. It's crazy just how good Intel/Nvidia were back in 2016 for the money.
So at 1080p, I'm going to still be getting close to what my 144hz monitor can handle anyway with the 7700k, right? It doesn't look like the CPU bottleneck is terrible enough to justify upgrading my motherboard, RAM, and CPU just yet.
I was worried about my 11700f and 4080 bottlenecking at 3440x1440p but it looks like I won’t see much of a difference with a 13700k. Freaks me out when I see GPU utilization in the 60% though.
Great video you know I've had my i7 8700 for 7 years now I paired it with a RTX 3060 I'm waiting until it's time to upgrade but this i7 8700 still runs strong on all new games and it just won't give up. I'm sticking with a few more years. One game that scares me bodycam. I don't have it but that's the only game that may bring my i7 8700 to its knees.
I have a 4080 with a stock 10700k (32gb ram 3600mhz , RE-bar enabled) in most games it works perfectly fine (97-98% GPU utilization at 4k resolution), in the games I've been able to test (Cyberpunk, AC Valhala, F1 22, Horizon zero dawn, death stranding). For sure it's not the ideal CPU for a 4080 but there is no significant bottelneck. I was thinking about upgrading to a 13600K but for now I don't think it's absolutely necessary.
as long as you stay on 4K, you won't need to upgrade your CPU, especially with more and more games having DLSS 3 implemented, it even takes more load off CPU
@@lindseyhunt1090garageb thats what happen when you're trying 4k with a 3080, stick to 1440p everyone know thats 3080 was the biggest scam of the last 5 years
@@mikeg3888 1440p is the way for the 3080, 4k with that card is just the dumbest thing tho, think the long way will it be able to run GTA 6/RDR3 or the witcher 4 in 4k 60 ? Zero chance
I’m using a 4090 with my old 8700k as I had to return my z690 motherboard. I only play at 4k & too be honest I haven’t noticed any difference in fps compared to my 12900k, only 1% lows.
same thing happened to me. have a 3080ti. i play at 3840x1600. 8700k to a 13700k. it got me nothing. benchmarked 5 games before and after. 0 to 2% gain. margin of error
How is that possible? I'm running an 8700k overclocked to 5ghz with a 4090 at 4K and I'm badly bottlenecked in some games especially Far Cry 6 and Spiderman. I usually can't get 99% GPU usage in most games that I'm playing even if I play at the highest settings. I can only get that in Dying Light 2 and Cyberpunk with max settings and ray tracing no DLSS.
@@Ratchet3Mark Some games are cpu bottlenecked even with my 12900k i see gpu utilisation dropping into the 80s. Digital foundry mentioned it aswell with some modern games now, not even a 13900k is enough.
@@Ratchet3Mark It depends on how important it is for you to have as little bottleneck and how many games that you play that it will happen as it is cheap to upgrade just for a few games and very little improvement in real world performance (don't forget that devs can make changes which might remove bottleneck or add more of it even with a new CPU just buy releasing patches). I would suggest to also look for AMDs CPU, if that would improve issues you might have with lows in some games. It is possible that Ryzen 7 5800X3D with more cache on CPU core could be better for your usage or the upcoming 7000 series CPUs with 3D cache, if they would be priced in reasonable range. With 5800X3D you can use your DDR4 RAM and with 7000X3D series CPU you would need to get DDR5 RAM (and motherboard with AM5 socket which still cost more then AM4(+)). Before I forget it, you might also need more powerful PSU, with RTX 4090 I would expect you have at least enough power to run that card stable, but with both Intels 13 gen. and AMD AM5 CPUs (at least 7000X series are rated above 100 W TDP, non X version at 65 Watt) you might need to look on a new PSU with more power to be able to possible overclock CPU and other cost that is easy to forget from going from one plat form to another.
Thank you very much. This video has answered all my questions about converting a server to a gaming box. I wanted to know which GPU is should look into and what will the performance be like. 👍
i went from an 8700k to a 13700k ( 3080ti ). playing at 4k did 5 bench marks before and after. smallest gain was 0% biggest was 2%... not worth it at all.
@@lindseyhunt1090garageb at 4k my dude its ALL ABOUT THE GPU. Instead of goin from 8700k to 13700k you should have waited till you save some money and go from 3080ti to 4090. That $$$ you spent on the new cpu + the $$$ from the sale of 3080ti would have come handy and bought 4090 instead. PS. Im also on 8700k delided running at 5Ghz on all cores from 2017 and i aint gonna swap it for the newwer ones instead i ll sell my 3080ti and just buy 4090 and imagine im on 1440p which im gonna have lass performance boost than your 4k massive jump.
@@kostistsiutras4373 Problem is that a lot of people bought the 3080ti for 1500 dollar and more. Selling it now for 700 or so and buying the 4090 for another 2k means spending nearly 3k on GPU's in a year. Thats just crazy even if u have the money...
@@EasternEGG39 I went GTX 1080 [2016 $600] -> RTX 2080 TI [2019 $1,200] -> 7900XT [2023 $799]. I had two 2080TI's and they both died. Worst card I've ever had. So bad that I dropped Nvidia for now. The 7900XT has really surprised me.
I was thing about upgrading the whole system, then I find this, it's better just spend more money on the graphics card then build a new system. Thanks for the video.
There seems to be a lot of confusion here, the performance isn’t so much in the average frame rates but in the 1% dips. The i7-7700k is a fine chipset, but even at 1080p the performance gains from upgrading are noticeable in everyday tasks & what is happening in the BACKGROUND while the game is running. Same with upgrading RAM, the results may not be immediately transparent in fps, but overall smoothness of the game.
@@HRaychin I am completely satisfied with my 3080Ti on UWQHD. Even capped the FPS to 85 running undervolted at 0.95 mv. Enough for everything I play on Ultra. Would never go 4K since nothing beats 21:9. Immersion is everything. XD
PCIe 4.0 and 5.0 SSDs are great and Resizable BAR works flawlessly on newer platforms. I have an 8700k, 9900k, 5600X and 7700X currently l. My 4090 is in my 7700X system and there's a very big difference in performance compared to the 9900k and PCIe 3.0 SSDs. Even the 5600X matches my 9900k. Of course it's your money so you do you.
Yeah, I saw another video somewhere. If you're playing 2k at max settings, your bottleneck is mainly the GPU, and the CPU doesn't matter much. It's at low settings where the CPU dominates.
something is not right with the 8700k results, Warzone 2.0 gives 100 to 130 with that CPU in every benchmark I saw, this one says 5Ghz and is 171, I doubt the OC will make such difference in this game
For gamers with 40series GPU, you dont need to upgrade your CPU because most likely you are not playing on 1080p, for 2k and 4k resolutions, cpu has a lot less effect on fps because GPU utilization is higher, and this is even better if you are playing a game with DLSS 3 enabled, AI generated frame bypasses the CPU thus takes the load off CPU by half.
@René S. Shabastari have you used it or are you just saying what everyone else who's never tried it saying? With DlSS 3 and reflex on, it's actually lower latency than native without reflex, I've been using it for 3months never had an issue
Frame gen is garbage because the GPU fakes frames to increase FPS, but the game has no idea and physics is totally unaffected, and still runs super slow.
@@paradoxicalcat7173 I typed out a whole paragraph of how it works, but you don't deserve it, you don't know how it really works, and you don't care to read up about it. You just wanna complain about like everyone who's never had it does. I've been using frame gen in every single game that supports it, I've never had a problem, and each generation the quality has been increasing.
Umm. Yeah. I'm literally a game developer who has worked on game engines, but thanks for telling me I don't know what I'm talking about while providing zero evidence. @@cks2020693
It is interesting that nobody is seeing the 1% lows here. Maximum fps does not matter above a certain point, 1% and 00.1 lows matter a lot. I7 8700K is a massive stutter factor in newer games. ☹️
What cooler do you use to get so low temps on 7700k overclocked? I have iceberg 240mm and i get sometimes 80~~90° C with GTX 1070 :p i am not sure if i get RTX 4070 TI Super i can still use my cpu.
i think my 7700k will still actual until 2028 btw im shure im the only one who has completed cyberpunk 2077 with 7700k and 1050 ti and when i buy 4070 ti with the same processor i even modded the game to look even more realistic
I want to upgrade my CPU but just can't justify it. I game at 1440p 60 fps with a 6700K and a 7900XT and every game at max detail doesn't stress the machine at all. The typical CPU usage is between 15-40% and GPU is less than 60%. Everything runs super cool as well.
You should upgrade your CPU, your overall pc user experience will be better. I upgraded from an i9 9900k to an AMD Ryzen 9 7900x. My GPU was an RTX 3080 in 1440p and I saw some huge fps jumps. You should definitely upgrade.
Well I can live with a bottleneck if I'll be getting over 80 fps in all games at 1440p ( Ultrawide) I'll wait for the 4080 super to go with my aging i9 9700k . Saved me lots of money this year , just a card will do for now :)
I am seriously thinking about upgrading a bit.... The problem is i have an i7 8700k with 16gb 2666Mhz ram and an rtx 3090. I play high refresh rate games on a 1440p 144hz screen.... I am a bit worried because i know my ram, CPU and motherboard all slightly bottleneck my 3090.... What do you guys think ? Do you think it's worth it ? I thought about upgrading everything except the GPU...
If I were you, I'd just upgrade your RAM. If your board can support16/32GB 3600Mhz RAM, then pull the trigger on that instead of upgrading anything else.
@@StoneColdza too late 🤣 The motherboard was capped at 2666 and my ram usage was not extreme. I upgraded and made another pc with the remaining part and sold my pc to a Friend 😉 So my PC had a big refresh for not to much money 😊 I have now : -i9 13900kf -32gb 6000mhz ram And my rtx 3090
I still went with my old i7 7700k and Go from a gtx1080 to a rtx4080 which was a big step up, Play in 3440*1440 and could Max out grafics 👍👌 on most titles . Hope that I can Max out WRC 23, too. Don’t know cause the specs of WRC 23 says at least a i9 CPU… I will see, Game comes in 3 days. What do you think? Could I Play WRC 23 at at least high Settings in 3440*1440?
Me too, went with my old i7 7700k from a gtx1080 to a rtx4080 which was a big step up, Play in 3440*1440 and could Max out grafics 👍👌 so could wait. Hope that I can Max out WRC 23, too. Don’t know cause the specs of WRC 23 says at least a i9 … will see, Game comes in 3 days. What do you think? Could I Play WRC 23 at at least high Settings in 3440*1440?
4k is irrelevant for cpu testing. At 4k you will be 100% gpu bottlenecked and all CPUs will just be sitting around doing nothing and performing the same. If you are a 4k gamer just buy whatever the cheapest i5/r5 is from this or last gen and put all your money towards a more powerful gpu. Cpu only matters in lower rez high fps gaming
I will put a RTX 4080 stock at my i7 8700k (4.9Ghz)+32GB (4300Mhz)+Gigabyte Aorus Ultra Gaming MB... Next week, I think i will be fine for now.... Upgrading from a 1080ti... hope some improvements, and finally RTX and DLSS.. Playing Diablo 4 in 1440p 165hz monitor... my 1080Ti cant reach 165fps... its sit on ~100... Its time!
How did it go? I have a 9700k and a 1080ti currently and I want to upgrade my gpu. Was thinking 4070ti but Didnt want to bottleneck. I have a 1440p 165hz monitor also.
@@TwoGendersOnly Everything went well, until my power supply started groaning in pain, so I ended up changing everything and building a new PC with that GPU. But as for performance, was excellent, not bad. I didn't feel any bottleneck Now I have an i7 13700kf, and everything is much better of course, but as for games, it was enough before. 4070 ti is really good too
I have a RTX 4080 with i7 9700k and i Overclocked my CPU my CPU usage in Cyberpunk is higher then my GPU usage FPS is ok but i think it can be better. In other games (Dying light 2 is my GPU and CPU usage identical or GPU higher. What do u think guys is it better when i upgrade my cpu? Or do u have anny tips for me how i can reduce the bottleneck?
I have the sam config as you, RTX 4080 with i7 9700KF and yes I see the same results very hight usage of the CPU. We have a CPU bottleneck here , so yea I think we will have to update the CPU before we can unlock the full potencial of the RTX 4080 :(
I'm good to keep my i7 7700k another 5 years ... 1440p-ultra setting you doesn't need a better cpu and of course i don't have a RTX4080 ... According to the tests maybe a rtx4070 is the strongest card to use my i7-7700k at max to play 1440p ultra without rtx.
Not at all. My 7700k is completely bottlenecked by my 3070 in both cyberpunk and Witcher 3 next gen. In any modern aaa open world game a 7700k no longer is enough. That being said you don’t need to buy a 13700k either. Any i5/r5 from this gen will be more than powerful enough
@@blackboard_sx3488 that’s because it’s a linear game. Any modern open world game like cyberpunk or Witcher 3 next gen will struggle to maintain even 60 fps with a 7700k in the cpu intensive areas like Night City and Novigrad, especially with high crowd density
,Эти процесоры сильно по шине 3.0 прослеживается. Процесор недогружен по тянет. Видиокарта не работает в полную мощность. Вот и проигрывают новым процесорам.
for reference, in markets in plague tale, I get 34fps with overclocked 8700k. benchmarkers need to better understand which parts of game to use for cpu testing
Depends on whether you want 60 fps or 144 fps. If 60 fps, yes it's more than enough at 1440p. If 144 fps, your 1% low in some games at max detail native will probably drop under and you might see some stuttering depending. I play at 1440p 60 fps so 6700K and 7900XT is overkill but it's what I have.
To gk from 7700k to 13600kf my 1 percent lows are gonna be so much better. Im so sick of the stuttering on the 7700k and the 1% lows on next 2 gens here look like they would also see a great difference if competitivly gaming. Those 1% lows are quite important to watch for. This doesnt include .1% lows which if a game drops to 60fps 1% the .1% shoukd be like 10-20 fps. Un playable. I may get 160 fps on mw2 but it studders down to 30s all the time and it gets me killed a ton. Ill be shot by a player that i think has not even looked at me. This video proves the 1% lows will be so much better that getting shot from what i see is someones ass, will be cured and ill know theyve turned around before i die. So for me this is proof tbe 13 gen is worth it
Thank you, very informative. This is the reality: starting from 2560p, a new platform is perfectly useless. The "CPU limited" is most of time non the real story. Better invest in better GPU, keeping a n aged CPU, than saving money for a brand new platform with a lighter GPU.
Depends on how you want to play. Some people only like to play at 144 fps and you will need a power cpu for big aaa games like cyberpunk and the Witcher 3 next gen. If you prefer 60 fps tho getting a better gpu is the obvious choice. It’s all about preference
8700 is great! 7700k 6700 are very crap! for 7700k you need a lot o money, z mobo, expensive cooler and ultra overclock to work ok...8700 works in cheapest mobo great, no overclock needds , 65watts only...
@@lindseyhunt1090garageb thanks buddy this is exactly what I wanted to know :) I knew my 9700K @ 5GHz had a lot more life left in it, this confirms it 3080Ti FTW!!
@@Siembratormentas it's always good to show at people why they doesn't need to change their CPU while playing in high resolution ...Low demand, better price and maybe better improvment for next generation ;)
I’m using an 8700k with 4090 whilst I wait for a replacement motherboard & fps at 4k is pretty much identical to my 12900k, 1% lows are worse but nothing that noticeable.
@@evostu7814 i wish i would have convinced myself not to get a cpu upgrade lol. i had a 8700k at 5.2ghz and upgraded to a 13700k at 5.6ghz. bench marked 5 games. all the exact same. my biggest gain was 2 fps in strange brigade and i was already pushing 195fps.. what a let down lol
You saved me about 700 bucks. For 11 frames? No thanks. This was exactly the benchmark I was looking for.
Same. Keeping my I7-9700k for a couple of more years lol
same here ill stick with my good old 8700k
Heck yeah! Super helpful video! No real need to update my CPU for a bit still.
@@48some do it! i went from an 8700k to a 13700k. 0 difference in 4k did the bench marks. same.
@@lindseyhunt1090garageb cpu doesn’t matter as much in high resolution low refresh rate gaming. Cpu matters if you want 144 fps, which usually means either esports titles for 4k or aaa games at 1440p or 1080p. At 4k you are way too gpu bottlenecked for the cpu to hit high frame rates
This one was one of the greatest benchmark tests i've ever watched, u deserve way more subscribers than that that's for sure. Thank you for the test and all efforts that u put again. I also have a i7-8700 CPU :)
same still running strong since 2018 :D
@@marshalrando6767 What card are you running with it now? 4080?
@@madhaze0126 a Zotac AMP Edition Nvidia 1080 ti. combined with the 8700k its between a PS5 and an Xbox Series X. So I may actually have to upgrade to the 4070 ti as it consumes the same amount of power but is twice as efficient.
@@marshalrando6767 damn for 7 years old Graphic Card, Gtx 1080 Ti is still a beast
I bought a 3070ti but i am having troubles with stuttering and bottlenecking. The cpu sadly is not keeping up which means im goint go have to upgrade ( Have my xmp profiles going @ 3200mhz 48gb ram, synched cores at 4.8ghz 1.3v - have tried even the boost OC Game Wizzard zero) Some say i have to go up to 2k/4k Gaming monitor as 1080 is my problem / others saying again just upgrade cpu and mobo to latest amd/intel?? Anyone else perhaps had this issues?
Thanks for this. Keeping my good old 9700k
nice~so , I can keep my 8700k for another five years,YES!!!
Y yo mi i7 9700f
@@phelios6630 que gpu tienes? yo tengo el mismo cpu pero con K
@@essence7779 tu CPU es un poco más potente que el mío,mi GPU es una rtx 3060 ti gddr6X y noto cierto cuello de botella según el juego
@@phelios6630 yo tengo un 3060. Crees que un 3080 este bien o sería mucho esfuerzo para el cpu?
The benchmark I needed!. Looks like I'm sticking with my trusty i7-7700K (purchased in 2017) with my RTX 3080
Same with my rx6800xt and i7-9700k :)
I have i7-8700k with a 3080TI and I’m thinking of getting or going for i9-12900k
i also have the same cpu can i change my gpu that is rtx 4080? rtx 4080 with core i7-7700k 7th generation?
I thought my 7700k would do worst but its actually not bad. Buying a 4070 soon might just keep my CPU for a bit longer till I can get a better one. Thanks for the vid it helped a lot.
40% more energy consumption for ~10% more FPS is not a good deal. I will keep my 8700K.
AMD offerings like the 5800x3d or 7800x3d seem to have similar or better game performance to 13th gen intel without a ton of power consumption. I haven't bought one yet though, I think it's best to wait one more generation and pick one up on sale, especially since DDR5 and PCIE 5 are so new.
I have an i7 9700k with a 2060 Super and was thinking of upgrading to a 4070Ti rather than a 4080 as I thought my i7 would bottleneck it - this video has saved me time and money. Next stop overclocking the cpu to 5 from 3.6
just an update to this - i went to overclock my cpu (given i have never done it) and multiple benchmarking software showed it already running at 4600 - how is this possible?
@@neilsaunders5489 It automatically boost clocks to 4.6ghz under load. if you have a good mid to high end board and cooling solution, it can boost to 4.8ghz without you having to do anything.
DO YOU PLAY AT 1080p? WHICH GRAPHIC DID YOU FINALLY BUY?
Im using the i7 9700k with a asus strix 2080ti and have a samsung odyssey g9 screen. After this vid im getting the 4080. No need to upgrade anything else. Thx alot for the vid. Cheers.
how did it work out,does it run well?
@@Yndiax well I bought a i7 13700k with the 4080 strix amd ddr 5 and so on and so on hehe. Dident try with the i7 9700k but I bet it works without much frame drop.
@@lillen141What made you change your mind?
great line up. i think more people should see this test. its a more realistic version of frame rates with older gear. top reviewers are focused on trying to show as much difference as possible. costs are just insane. they dont justify the performance.
People need to keep in mind that one of the biggest improvements here are the 1% lows. The 13700k is the most consistent by far. Looking at anywhere between a 50-80% performance boost on the lows over the 9700k. I will take stability and consistency over raw averages any day.
I quickly did the math, at 1440p, the perf boost for the 1% low is at most 18%. Not 50-80%.
Also I don't think 1% low figures are nearly as meaningful as you pretend. You can have low lows and a perfectly smooth game, especially if you play with gsync
1000 dollars for the 1% lows, i dont know dude
Depends on the system but yeah they are better.
I play 1440p 60 fps so the 1% lows still have a ton of headroom with a 6700K. The hilarious thing is I paired it with a single GTX 1080 at one point and other than sometimes needing FSR, it played new games at max detail without stuttering. I couldn't see the difference with FSR on either. It's crazy just how good Intel/Nvidia were back in 2016 for the money.
Awesome 😎
Just picked up a 13700k and RTX 4080
do you by any chance play dcs? i want to get the same setup in the future to fly with the pico 4... i would be thankfull for your insights. thx
So at 1080p, I'm going to still be getting close to what my 144hz monitor can handle anyway with the 7700k, right? It doesn't look like the CPU bottleneck is terrible enough to justify upgrading my motherboard, RAM, and CPU just yet.
I was worried about my 11700f and 4080 bottlenecking at 3440x1440p but it looks like I won’t see much of a difference with a 13700k. Freaks me out when I see GPU utilization in the 60% though.
Great video you know I've had my i7 8700 for 7 years now I paired it with a RTX 3060 I'm waiting until it's time to upgrade but this i7 8700 still runs strong on all new games and it just won't give up. I'm sticking with a few more years. One game that scares me bodycam. I don't have it but that's the only game that may bring my i7 8700 to its knees.
Awesome benchmark! 4080 Super and 9700K looks an awesome combo at 4K!
Meh, I still stick to my i7 7700k. No need to upgrade. 😎
Thanks mate for this awesome comparison video. 👍👍❤️
I have a 4080 with a stock 10700k (32gb ram 3600mhz , RE-bar enabled) in most games it works perfectly fine (97-98% GPU utilization at 4k resolution), in the games I've been able to test (Cyberpunk, AC Valhala, F1 22, Horizon zero dawn, death stranding).
For sure it's not the ideal CPU for a 4080 but there is no significant bottelneck.
I was thinking about upgrading to a 13600K but for now I don't think it's absolutely necessary.
What are your benchmarks in cyberpunk 4K? Also, are you using raytracing/upscaling/framegeneration?
as long as you stay on 4K, you won't need to upgrade your CPU, especially with more and more games having DLSS 3 implemented, it even takes more load off CPU
i have 8700k 5ghz 3800mhz cl15 ram with overclocked rtx 4090 and i dont get these averages, did you test in the dessert or looking at the sky?
haha. either way. i had an 8700k and " upgraded to a 13700k " zero difference in bench marks at 4k. identical. not worth it at all
@@lindseyhunt1090garageb thats what happen when you're trying 4k with a 3080, stick to 1440p everyone know thats 3080 was the biggest scam of the last 5 years
@@ttts3400 on the contrary, the 3080 is the best 1440p card to buy right now
@@mikeg3888 1440p is the way for the 3080, 4k with that card is just the dumbest thing tho, think the long way will it be able to run GTA 6/RDR3 or the witcher 4 in 4k 60 ? Zero chance
Looks a bit high tbh.
How much difference do you get in average?
Impressive i7 7700k still doing okay :D
I’m using a 4090 with my old 8700k as I had to return my z690 motherboard. I only play at 4k & too be honest I haven’t noticed any difference in fps compared to my 12900k, only 1% lows.
same thing happened to me. have a 3080ti. i play at 3840x1600. 8700k to a 13700k. it got me nothing. benchmarked 5 games before and after. 0 to 2% gain. margin of error
How is that possible? I'm running an 8700k overclocked to 5ghz with a 4090 at 4K and I'm badly bottlenecked in some games especially Far Cry 6 and Spiderman. I usually can't get 99% GPU usage in most games that I'm playing even if I play at the highest settings. I can only get that in Dying Light 2 and Cyberpunk with max settings and ray tracing no DLSS.
@@Ratchet3Mark Some games are cpu bottlenecked even with my 12900k i see gpu utilisation dropping into the 80s. Digital foundry mentioned it aswell with some modern games now, not even a 13900k is enough.
@@evostu7814 Ok so should I upgrade to i9 13900k?
@@Ratchet3Mark It depends on how important it is for you to have as little bottleneck and how many games that you play that it will happen as it is cheap to upgrade just for a few games and very little improvement in real world performance (don't forget that devs can make changes which might remove bottleneck or add more of it even with a new CPU just buy releasing patches).
I would suggest to also look for AMDs CPU, if that would improve issues you might have with lows in some games. It is possible that Ryzen 7 5800X3D with more cache on CPU core could be better for your usage or the upcoming 7000 series CPUs with 3D cache, if they would be priced in reasonable range. With 5800X3D you can use your DDR4 RAM and with 7000X3D series CPU you would need to get DDR5 RAM (and motherboard with AM5 socket which still cost more then AM4(+)).
Before I forget it, you might also need more powerful PSU, with RTX 4090 I would expect you have at least enough power to run that card stable, but with both Intels 13 gen. and AMD AM5 CPUs (at least 7000X series are rated above 100 W TDP, non X version at 65 Watt) you might need to look on a new PSU with more power to be able to possible overclock CPU and other cost that is easy to forget from going from one plat form to another.
Thank you very much. This video has answered all my questions about converting a server to a gaming box. I wanted to know which GPU is should look into and what will the performance be like.
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well, seem i will keep my 8700k for another 10 years. Best processor ever.
9700k still running strong :)
Well, my i7 9700f cant keep up with beamng soooo.. Idk why im watching but i like your work!
I'm going from a 7700K to 13700K. Looks like quite the jump in performance. I'll be good for another five or six years.
Yes u do
i went from an 8700k to a 13700k ( 3080ti ). playing at 4k did 5 bench marks before and after. smallest gain was 0% biggest was 2%... not worth it at all.
@@lindseyhunt1090garageb at 4k my dude its ALL ABOUT THE GPU. Instead of goin from 8700k to 13700k you should have waited till you save some money and go from 3080ti to 4090. That $$$ you spent on the new cpu + the $$$ from the sale of 3080ti would have come handy and bought 4090 instead. PS. Im also on 8700k delided running at 5Ghz on all cores from 2017 and i aint gonna swap it for the newwer ones instead i ll sell my 3080ti and just buy 4090 and imagine im on 1440p which im gonna have lass performance boost than your 4k massive jump.
@@kostistsiutras4373 Problem is that a lot of people bought the 3080ti for 1500 dollar and more. Selling it now for 700 or so and buying the 4090 for another 2k means spending nearly 3k on GPU's in a year. Thats just crazy even if u have the money...
@@EasternEGG39 I went GTX 1080 [2016 $600] -> RTX 2080 TI [2019 $1,200] -> 7900XT [2023 $799]. I had two 2080TI's and they both died. Worst card I've ever had. So bad that I dropped Nvidia for now. The 7900XT has really surprised me.
I was thing about upgrading the whole system, then I find this, it's better just spend more money on the graphics card then build a new system. Thanks for the video.
What about productivity programs, and video editing, UE5?
worth it or not?
The 1% gains are absolutely insane!
There seems to be a lot of confusion here, the performance isn’t so much in the average frame rates but in the 1% dips. The i7-7700k is a fine chipset, but even at 1080p the performance gains from upgrading are noticeable in everyday tasks & what is happening in the BACKGROUND while the game is running. Same with upgrading RAM, the results may not be immediately transparent in fps, but overall smoothness of the game.
Doing gods work out here! Thanks for this!
Guess I'll keep my 9900K a few years longer...
waiting my 4090 to pair with my 9900k for ultrawide gaming.will see will it be bottleneckin it....
@@HRaychin I am completely satisfied with my 3080Ti on UWQHD. Even capped the FPS to 85 running undervolted at 0.95 mv. Enough for everything I play on Ultra. Would never go 4K since nothing beats 21:9. Immersion is everything. XD
@@perfectpotato_eu4129 You may increase it up to 5180×2160 or something for smoother image.
PCIe 4.0 and 5.0 SSDs are great and Resizable BAR works flawlessly on newer platforms. I have an 8700k, 9900k, 5600X and 7700X currently l. My 4090 is in my 7700X system and there's a very big difference in performance compared to the 9900k and PCIe 3.0 SSDs. Even the 5600X matches my 9900k. Of course it's your money so you do you.
ty, so many tests, so helpful. btw what's up with overwatch 2 being so much more optimized than every other game? that thing runs better than LoL!
Yeah, I saw another video somewhere. If you're playing 2k at max settings, your bottleneck is mainly the GPU, and the CPU doesn't matter much.
It's at low settings where the CPU dominates.
something is not right with the 8700k results, Warzone 2.0 gives 100 to 130 with that CPU in every benchmark I saw, this one says 5Ghz and is 171, I doubt the OC will make such difference in this game
It was low settings.
I get like 60 in warzone 2.0 with my 5ghz 8086k
171 average on 8700k yeah in gulag but not in WZ2
agree, I have I7 9700K pushing to 5gh and I only can get 130 avg in warzone 2 with rtx 4080
I have 13700 kf and i run 200 fps ultra settings and a 4080 card image scaling 30
For gamers with 40series GPU, you dont need to upgrade your CPU because most likely you are not playing on 1080p, for 2k and 4k resolutions, cpu has a lot less effect on fps because GPU utilization is higher, and this is even better if you are playing a game with DLSS 3 enabled, AI generated frame bypasses the CPU thus takes the load off CPU by half.
frame gen is garbage and adds latency
@René S. Shabastari have you used it or are you just saying what everyone else who's never tried it saying? With DlSS 3 and reflex on, it's actually lower latency than native without reflex, I've been using it for 3months never had an issue
Frame gen is garbage because the GPU fakes frames to increase FPS, but the game has no idea and physics is totally unaffected, and still runs super slow.
@@paradoxicalcat7173 I typed out a whole paragraph of how it works, but you don't deserve it, you don't know how it really works, and you don't care to read up about it. You just wanna complain about like everyone who's never had it does.
I've been using frame gen in every single game that supports it, I've never had a problem, and each generation the quality has been increasing.
Umm. Yeah. I'm literally a game developer who has worked on game engines, but thanks for telling me I don't know what I'm talking about while providing zero evidence. @@cks2020693
Expected more of a difference with the 7700k to 8700k going from 4 to 6 cores. seems a lot of games are still badly threaded
Meu i7 8700k tá dando conta ainda! O 13700k é o bichão mesmo...
Isso mesmo! Meu 8700k e' muito bom ainda!
It is interesting that nobody is seeing the 1% lows here. Maximum fps does not matter above a certain point, 1% and 00.1 lows matter a lot. I7 8700K is a massive stutter factor in newer games. ☹️
i7 7700k is a monster
Still running my 8700k stock with a 3080. I’m feeling an upgrade for my cpu soon maybe
So with the release of the 14th gen now, it might be time to upgrade from my 8700k to the 13700k. If I can find a deal.
I expect by 8700k to perform even better in the future as more dx12 and vulken became standard
What cooler do you use to get so low temps on 7700k overclocked? I have iceberg 240mm and i get sometimes 80~~90° C with GTX 1070 :p i am not sure if i get RTX 4070 TI Super i can still use my cpu.
I also wanna know
i think my 7700k will still actual until 2028 btw im shure im the only one who has completed cyberpunk 2077 with 7700k and 1050 ti and when i buy 4070 ti with the same processor i even modded the game to look even more realistic
Выход этим старикам трудно работать с такой картой. Но они как шахтёры в России. На пределе возможностей
I want to upgrade my CPU but just can't justify it. I game at 1440p 60 fps with a 6700K and a 7900XT and every game at max detail doesn't stress the machine at all. The typical CPU usage is between 15-40% and GPU is less than 60%. Everything runs super cool as well.
You should upgrade your CPU, your overall pc user experience will be better. I upgraded from an i9 9900k to an AMD Ryzen 9 7900x. My GPU was an RTX 3080 in 1440p and I saw some huge fps jumps. You should definitely upgrade.
@@isurvivednonutnovember4732 fps jumps in what game?
Well I can live with a bottleneck if I'll be getting over 80 fps in all games at 1440p ( Ultrawide) I'll wait for the 4080 super to go with my aging i9 9700k . Saved me lots of money this year , just a card will do for now :)
8700K gang
i have i7-8700k at 4.4ghz with gtx 1080ti, 16gb ram, 750w psu and I only play games at 1440p. if i upgrade it to 4070ti will it bottleneck much?
Huge bottleneck at 1080 and 1440p.
I am seriously thinking about upgrading a bit....
The problem is i have an i7 8700k with 16gb 2666Mhz ram and an rtx 3090. I play high refresh rate games on a 1440p 144hz screen....
I am a bit worried because i know my ram, CPU and motherboard all slightly bottleneck my 3090....
What do you guys think ? Do you think it's worth it ?
I thought about upgrading everything except the GPU...
If I were you, I'd just upgrade your RAM. If your board can support16/32GB 3600Mhz RAM, then pull the trigger on that instead of upgrading anything else.
@@StoneColdza too late 🤣
The motherboard was capped at 2666 and my ram usage was not extreme.
I upgraded and made another pc with the remaining part and sold my pc to a Friend 😉 So my PC had a big refresh for not to much money 😊
I have now :
-i9 13900kf
-32gb 6000mhz ram
And my rtx 3090
@@tobiasg.8532good choice I have and 3080 and 8700 so many drops on wz 2 or bf is really annoy, I'm upgrading cpu soon
Should be nice to have VR benchmarks too
So true...that's my biggest gaming platform on PC and why I need a big upgrade to my gtx 1070
I have i7-8700k with a 3080TI and I’m thinking of getting or going for i9-12900k
I7 8700 has a boost clock to 4,7 mhz and overclock to 5ghz is the most commen overclock on this cpu
Ok 9700k and 4070ti Súper, 5 years go
Ok ok 9700k 5Ghz and 4080super 1440 Ultra , my dream ❤
I still went with my old i7 7700k and Go from a gtx1080 to a rtx4080 which was a big step up, Play in 3440*1440 and could Max out grafics 👍👌 on most titles . Hope that I can Max out WRC 23, too. Don’t know cause the specs of WRC 23 says at least a i9 CPU… I will see, Game comes in 3 days. What do you think? Could I Play WRC 23 at at least high Settings in 3440*1440?
i think you are mistaken, I9 is top, minimum should be i5, 9th generation, yours is I7, but 7th gen, so who knows, you can just try and see :)
2024, and what happend with that game? run or not?
I'll keep my 7700k. When Intel drops a couple newer models I'll pick up a 13900k for a decent deal.
Me too, went with my old i7 7700k from a gtx1080 to a rtx4080 which was a big step up, Play in 3440*1440 and could Max out grafics 👍👌 so could wait. Hope that I can Max out WRC 23, too. Don’t know cause the specs of WRC 23 says at least a i9 … will see, Game comes in 3 days. What do you think? Could I Play WRC 23 at at least high Settings in 3440*1440?
Would like to see this test in 4k and different dlss 2 steps.
4k is irrelevant for cpu testing. At 4k you will be 100% gpu bottlenecked and all CPUs will just be sitting around doing nothing and performing the same. If you are a 4k gamer just buy whatever the cheapest i5/r5 is from this or last gen and put all your money towards a more powerful gpu. Cpu only matters in lower rez high fps gaming
@Pumpal thanks for this. I asked on the buildapc subreddit about 4K performance with cpu on a 4080 and got downvoted to hell with no answer 🙄
Try it with a 3080Ti at 4K.... the differences are even smaller ! 🎉
Try benchmarking 4k with ray tracing... who the hell plays at 1080p at low settings with these specs.
7700k -- i need z series mobo, expensive cooler, ultra overclok
i3 10100-- i run as a 7700k overcloked, no expensive mobo needed, no cooler needed
i have the 8700k and i ordred today the palit 4080. Witch RAM do you use for the i8700k? thx in advance:)
Use 32gb minumum 3200cl16..2 sticks. Don't use 4
Why am I getting 60-70 fps at most with the i7 7700k??? What is wrong
I will put a RTX 4080 stock at my i7 8700k (4.9Ghz)+32GB (4300Mhz)+Gigabyte Aorus Ultra Gaming MB... Next week,
I think i will be fine for now....
Upgrading from a 1080ti...
hope some improvements, and finally RTX and DLSS..
Playing Diablo 4 in 1440p 165hz monitor... my 1080Ti cant reach 165fps... its sit on ~100... Its time!
How did it go? I have a 9700k and a 1080ti currently and I want to upgrade my gpu. Was thinking 4070ti but Didnt want to bottleneck. I have a 1440p 165hz monitor also.
@@TwoGendersOnly Everything went well, until my power supply started groaning in pain, so I ended up changing everything and building a new PC with that GPU.
But as for performance, was excellent, not bad. I didn't feel any bottleneck
Now I have an i7 13700kf, and everything is much better of course, but as for games, it was enough before.
4070 ti is really good too
I have a RTX 4080 with i7 9700k and i Overclocked my CPU my CPU usage in Cyberpunk is higher then my GPU usage FPS is ok but i think it can be better. In other games (Dying light 2 is my GPU and CPU usage identical or GPU higher. What do u think guys is it better when i upgrade my cpu? Or do u have anny tips for me how i can reduce the bottleneck?
I have the sam config as you, RTX 4080 with i7 9700KF and yes I see the same results very hight usage of the CPU. We have a CPU bottleneck here , so yea I think we will have to update the CPU before we can unlock the full potencial of the RTX 4080 :(
@@Goorilax hey bro yeah i think its the easy way what Resolution do u play? I play 2k
@@traytor718 The same resolution 2k.
@@Goorilax and which cpu u want to buy?
@@traytor718 I would like a 13700KF, I'm in the process of finding one.
Would it be worth it to go from the 7700k to the 9700k right now?
NO! go for lga 1700. 12.gen i5 better than i7 9700k and cheaper
Самые холодные в играх два процессора с термопастой под крышкой...
i7 8700 is already struggling in cs2 or other cpu demanding games.
Pls i7700k vs i3- 14100
Can you please do 4070 with i78700k
DDR4 for all CPU or DDR5 for the 13700k on this test?
I think it is DDR4, 13th gen Intel is a real beast with DDR5.
I have 7700k 4.5Ghz 70*degree, asus z270 and rtx 4080. In Pubg I have 100fps. How did you get 200fps in 1440p??
His numbers are way off, would trust this for shit. He is getting almost getting 3 times the fps I get with my i7 7700k in warzone 2...
its a bit late but i noticed in games that have frame gen, my fps only matches his when i turn it on (7700k and 4080S)
I'm good to keep my i7 7700k another 5 years ... 1440p-ultra setting you doesn't need a better cpu and of course i don't have a RTX4080 ...
According to the tests maybe a rtx4070 is the strongest card to use my i7-7700k at max to play 1440p ultra without rtx.
I just snapped a used 3090 into my 7700k last night, and I'm getting 180fps 7680x1440 with medium settings in Assetto Corsa.
It's all about that single core power more than multi core with A LOT of games. 7700K and 8700K are Still beasts
Not at all. My 7700k is completely bottlenecked by my 3070 in both cyberpunk and Witcher 3 next gen. In any modern aaa open world game a 7700k no longer is enough. That being said you don’t need to buy a 13700k either. Any i5/r5 from this gen will be more than powerful enough
@@blackboard_sx3488 that’s because it’s a linear game. Any modern open world game like cyberpunk or Witcher 3 next gen will struggle to maintain even 60 fps with a 7700k in the cpu intensive areas like Night City and Novigrad, especially with high crowd density
@@SteveDonev Yup, that's fair! About to likely throw down on 13th gen, see how it goes.
,Эти процесоры сильно по шине 3.0 прослеживается. Процесор недогружен по тянет. Видиокарта не работает в полную мощность. Вот и проигрывают новым процесорам.
I only get 50-70fps with my i7 7700k @4.8ghz in warzone 2. I doubt that the i7 7700k @5.0ghz gives 165 avg fps in warzone 2😂
I dare you, try game X4 6.0 :)
for reference, in markets in plague tale, I get 34fps with overclocked 8700k. benchmarkers need to better understand which parts of game to use for cpu testing
Is 6700k good enough for 4080?
no
You'd run into a pretty hard bottleneck for sure.
Depends on whether you want 60 fps or 144 fps. If 60 fps, yes it's more than enough at 1440p. If 144 fps, your 1% low in some games at max detail native will probably drop under and you might see some stuttering depending. I play at 1440p 60 fps so 6700K and 7900XT is overkill but it's what I have.
I had 6700 non k with radeon vii and the cpu was maxxed most of the time my brother gave me his old i7 8700k and everything runs much better now
can some one explain to me how the hell does FPS increase when he choose max settings over low settings?
It goes from a CPU bottleneck to a GPU bottleneck
И сразу старое поколение просидеть FPS
Do 4k i bet they all have similar results
Ur cod 6v6 low settings has 1440p doing higher fps then 1080p? Probobly faulty testing aye? But yes this shows my 7700k is overdue
Weird
To gk from 7700k to 13600kf my 1 percent lows are gonna be so much better. Im so sick of the stuttering on the 7700k and the 1% lows on next 2 gens here look like they would also see a great difference if competitivly gaming. Those 1% lows are quite important to watch for. This doesnt include .1% lows which if a game drops to 60fps 1% the .1% shoukd be like 10-20 fps. Un playable. I may get 160 fps on mw2 but it studders down to 30s all the time and it gets me killed a ton. Ill be shot by a player that i think has not even looked at me. This video proves the 1% lows will be so much better that getting shot from what i see is someones ass, will be cured and ill know theyve turned around before i die. So for me this is proof tbe 13 gen is worth it
Thank you, very informative. This is the reality: starting from 2560p, a new platform is perfectly useless. The "CPU limited" is most of time non the real story. Better invest in better GPU, keeping a n aged CPU, than saving money for a brand new platform with a lighter GPU.
Depends on how you want to play. Some people only like to play at 144 fps and you will need a power cpu for big aaa games like cyberpunk and the Witcher 3 next gen. If you prefer 60 fps tho getting a better gpu is the obvious choice. It’s all about preference
why doesnt anyone do 4k
so will my i7 9700k bottleneck a rtx 4070?
Did you ever bought it?
Respect. Amd and Intel don't like this video
А вы тест 2к поставь
Sick of this 1080p bs
8700 is great! 7700k 6700 are very crap! for 7700k you need a lot o money, z mobo, expensive cooler and ultra overclock to work ok...8700 works in cheapest mobo great, no overclock needds , 65watts only...
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Keeping my 4790k for a few more years. I'm not going to waste my money on just a few more frames. Lol
The 4790K wasn't part of the comparison here, and you'd likely get a whole lot more than just "a few more frames" with an upgrade.
4790k is only a couple of % slower than a 7700k.
No 2160p 😢
theres no point. at 4k all the cpus would perform the same. i went from a 8700k to a 13700k and at 4k my bench marks were all the same
@@lindseyhunt1090garageb thanks buddy this is exactly what I wanted to know :) I knew my 9700K @ 5GHz had a lot more life left in it, this confirms it 3080Ti FTW!!
No 4K resolution? Testing 4080 in 1080p is pointless.
Testing cpu, no gpu. At 4k the cpu its secondary.
@@Siembratormentas it's always good to show at people why they doesn't need to change their CPU while playing in high resolution ...Low demand, better price and maybe better improvment for next generation ;)
I’m using an 8700k with 4090 whilst I wait for a replacement motherboard & fps at 4k is pretty much identical to my 12900k, 1% lows are worse but nothing that noticeable.
testing cpus at 4k is useless. cpu does nothing. you would have to have like a 3570k or something that old to see a difference at 4k
@@evostu7814 i wish i would have convinced myself not to get a cpu upgrade lol. i had a 8700k at 5.2ghz and upgraded to a 13700k at 5.6ghz. bench marked 5 games. all the exact same. my biggest gain was 2 fps in strange brigade and i was already pushing 195fps.. what a let down lol
Thanks for PUBG test.
No 4k test?