There are quite a few more differences too, one of the major ones is that you have 64 polyphony on the Wavestate and 32 polyphony on the Modwave. The modwave is more of a sample twister/mangler whereas the wavestate is more of a sample-performer. With the modwave you can do more with the samples as you have two oscillators which each can have a sample as a formant and these can interact with each other to form new sounds whereas on the wavestate you can layer up to 4 layers of samples and even have 4 wave sequencing tracks to play with, which gives you richer combinations of samples if you like. Yes they have a lot of similarities, but in short - with modwave you can do more with each sample - but with wavestate you have more samples to play with.
True, modwave gives more precise manipulation over sound just like subtractive and FM/PD synths because it is not ROMpler, nor sampler, it is wavetable synth, while wavestate behaves like advanced sampler with included vector synthesis. They are complimentary if you can get both.
Wavestate is technically 64-voice but only 32 are available at a given time to allow for seamless crossfading of sounds. Just something to keep in mind.
You are confusing 2 different types of samples. Technically Modwave has nothing to do with traditional samples like chopped audio. Modwave use single cycle waveforms also called wavetables.
I have both and am happy for that...each one is def different.. yet they each do what I wish the other did .. so it's a win win having them to compliment each other
Great comparison thanks. Your funny sound comparison towards the end clearly highlights lights the difference sound approach too. I think I’m possibly shifting towards the ModWave which surprised me as purely based on spec I thought the WaveState was a slam dunk winner.
I have both and both are interesting and worth having. But I find the sounds on th ModWave to be much more interesting and tweakable, and it's by far my favorite of the two. The WaveState is good at changing samples and producing evolving tones, but the ModWave is better at making interesting digital tones to work with.
I think a lot of people don't know that the Modwave is almost the same beast as the Wavestate, but with a few restrictions AND wavetable synthesis. 2 layers instead of 4, 32 voice polyphony instead of 64 and you cannot fade in/out different samples on different steps. So a few restrictions, but also with a big advantage: wavetable synthesis, which makes the Modwave the superior synth imo.
@@ThevonMusic Thing is, there are dozen of software VSTs which are doing similar thing as Modwave, and many HW wavetable synths as Argon, Hydrasynth, Viruses, Blofeld and so on, although you don't need computer if using HW, and Modwave is affordable and unique WT synthesizer. As you said, wavetable synthesis gives power over samplers and ROMplers, on atomic so to speak level. But it depends what you want with synthesizer. Aside from old synthesizers as Prophet VS and Wavestation, currently there is only Wavestate and Prophet VS Soul from Behringer with vector synthesis in HW form and if someone have many VSTs, Wavestate is unique with its vector synthesis.
Precise and to the point. Nice summary at the end. May I enquire what the strings are like on the mod wave please. Thank you great video, very much appreciated
Thanks! I might be mistaken but I think all (multi)samples of the Modwave and Wavestate are the same. I want to create a comparison video with just performances of specific categories such as strings, pads, bass, ... of the Wavestate versus Modwave to give people an idea of the stock performances compared by category. Hopefully done around next weekend, so that might give you a good idea of what the Wavestate and Modwave can do with string performances.
They both have echoes of the old Wavestation. The buzzy tomes of the old Wavestation are still the same buzzy tomes today by the sounds. I'm torn as a Wavestation owner whether to get one of these.
Nice video bringing out the best of both machines. Can you please tell me if the Wavestate can be synced with an external machine like how a normal sequencer would. I have to use a midi play trig in my Octatrack sequencer for this. Is this the only way ? Pls assist thanks 🙏
I didn't try this myself but I guess you mean external clocking? It is possible. This comes from the manual: Clock [Internal, External, Auto] Internal: The wavestate will use the Performance’s Tempo setting (also shown and controlled by the TAP TEMPO button). Use this when playing the wavestate by itself, or when you want the wavestate to control the tempo of external MIDI devices such as a sequencer or drum machine. External: The wavestate tempo will synchronize to incoming MIDI Clock messages from either 5-pin MIDI or USB. If MIDI clocks are not being received, tempo-related features will not function. Auto: This combines the functionality of Internal and External, so that you don’t have to manually switch between the two: • If MIDI Clocks are not being received, the wavestate uses its internal tempo. • If MIDI Clocks are being received, they control the tempo. If the clocks stop for more than 500 ms, the wavestate switches back to internal tempo.
@@ThevonMusic thank you for your help. Yes I do sync the drum machine to the ws However it’s not like any other synth where there’s a play stop button. Since it does not have the play stop button the Wavestate will only respond to a play trig in the midi sequencer of the drum machine. The ws is the slave I just want to verify if this is the only way. Thanks again.
Thank you for the video and the explanation. I heard and saw a lot of videos about Wavestate and how it sounds. Now that I've heard and saw about Modwave I must say I'll buy a Wavestate. I’m not saying it is or it sounds the same but it reminds me of Korg 01W that works with layers and simple sounds with FX, too. 😉😉👍👍
@@brunodadivore9606 I have the MODX7 and the Wavestate - it's a really good combination because I run midi in and out between both. A patch change on the MODX still affects the Wavestate, even if it's not on one of the 8 layers assigned to the key bed of the MODX. The result is that the Wavestate gains an extra layer from the MODX, and the MODX can layer the Wavestate as well, and controls the program changes. Once you're used to it, it just works with not much programming. If alternately I hooked up the MODX to another 16 part multitimbral synth, e.g. a Roland Fantom, then all of the stock patches would play the other synth as well. Not good. Anyway - the point is that I found MY ideal setup, and it works because I assign the channel of the Wavestate on a selected channel above what the MODX keys can play - i.e. anything from 9 to 16. My old Roland V-Synth had the same advantage - the limitation (advantage) to 4 Midi channels. I chose channel 12, because it leaves 4 more channels above that for other devices such as the Novation Circuit or the Elektron Digitone. Yes, I know this explanation was a bit rambling. Reach out if you would like some more details. And, Yes, I know that this response is not talking about the SSS function of the MODX
They're back in stock in this shop: www.bax-shop.be/nl/synthesizer/korg-wavestate-wave-sequencing-synthesizer It's a shop from Holland/Belgium. So I guess if they're back in stock over there, other shops will follow.
Thank you for this very good summary. However I would say that this video would benefit from omitting obvious and unnecessary differences such as panel texture and logo placement. Since I was unfamiliar with your channel, when I heard you explaining that my thought was "oh another rubbish comparison" (I nearly skipped to another video at that point). Thankfully everything that came later was very informative.
Hmm, I don’t think that last example of what each sounds like made sense to me. It sounds like the modwave is more of an analog old school sound? Whereas the wavestate is more modern sounding?
No, the Wavestate is pure sample based while the Modwave is sample based (same samples!) but also has Wavetable synthesis. I'm going to create a movie where I create a new patch ('performance') with both the Wavestate and Modwave to show you where they're equal and also different, probably going to be online in 1-2 weeks. They're both digital synths with very similar hardware.
@@ThevonMusic Ok so for someone like me who has a Moog grandmother, and pro logic with a midi controller, which one of the three Korgs in this line up would you think best if I wanted to stop using Logic emulators in the box and have a digital/modern sound to accompany my Moog? I actually though the Opsix would be a good bet as well but I’m just so confused because you loose certain things from one board to the next.
@@ChrisTopheRaz Korg Opsix is not a sequencing synth, which is quite a huge deal imo. If you want something similar to the Opsix, check out FM8 (software plugin) I think when it comes down to the most all-in synth I'd say the Modwave can actually do 90% of the Wavestate + wavetable synthesis and I really like screwing around with wavetables!
@@ThevonMusic the Opsix does have a sequencer actually. Is there something I’m missing on that? There are some great plug-ins but personally I prefer working with hardware. I do like the modwave for sure and it’s the newest of the three. The only downfall I saw or at least that people make it sound like the MOD wave is more geared towards an analog sound than a modern digital FM sound. But maybe that’s not correct maybe people just don’t do reviews very well on some of those boards
@@ChrisTopheRaz I give you an example of one of the differences between wavestate and modwave: with the wavestate you can change your samples per step with the sequencer. This way you can for example create a 'strings' performance which uses different string samples on a per step basis... you can't really do that on the modwave, it's the extra 'sample' lane that you see on the wavestate. wavestate also has 4 layers, but on the other hand the modwave can do two samples at once in one layer. I'd say the things you can't do with the modwave compared to the wavestate are imo quite negligible. I don't know why people say stuff like that in reviews, doesn't really make a lot of sense to me. I see the opsix has a sequencer too, didn't know that. It's so hard to talk about the differences in text, I hope to do the video next week with creating performances from zero with both machines next to eachother. Just a bit too busy right now.
good info. good job. I got a wavestate when they first came out. i love the sound and i have korg workstations so the layers are familiar territory. the modwave also looks like a great performance synth and sounds decent on all the videos i watched. But i really REALLY do not like the housing and crappy keyboard. It is in the way, and i am sort of afraid to break the wavestate keyboard playing live. I mainly play larger keyboards, so i am going to wait for modules and then probably sell my wavestate for a module. no aftertouch on most korg synths also sucks, so you have to trigger using velocity, and that's how you break a cheap keyboard unless it is piano action or semi-weighted which can take the beating of a live performance with lots of velocity trickery. (here is my little wavestate demo song if you are curious. i took advantage of the resonance being controlled by a sequence and made it sound like a modular synth in the middle part ruclips.net/video/9CuVFJLHI5w/видео.html and here is me beating the hell out of my piano, so you will understand my problem ruclips.net/video/ZAC8ZdMSJQs/видео.html )
@@geoffk777 true...but beyond you literally cutting the key bed off (it's been done) the only "module" we're getting is VST's of wavestate and opsix... pretty sure once the initial sales and a couple of years pass... we'll get software of the modwave as well... actual modules? Doubtful...🤷🏻♂️
@@countyfair74 that's good. You'd think they would have offered them from the beginning. All they had to do was slightly alter the mold...but no...they had to wait a couple of years... Imagine how those who didn't want the key bed but still wanted the synth feel now...lol
I bought one...and the pots-decoders were a nightmare, starting to jump as new, while you couldn't change sounds with anything else, like arrow and +/- buttons. It's a pity because I liked the crispy Blofeld sounds...but their pots/encoders are from hell, lol. (None of my other japanese synths - AN1X, MS2000, etc. -had such a problem, after 20 years...)
I purchased a Wavestate based upon a few YTube videos, but after 2 months I hate the thing. The preset sounds are complete garbage and really annoying after a few listens, the workflow is a nightmare. Its a depressing synth. Build quality feels like a child's toy. The menu diving is a complete joke. I have 20 x synths and this is the only one that fills me with rage when using it. I don't like to give up on a synth so I will keep trying to like it. If you're thinking of buying a Wavestate - I would suggest you watch a few tutorials on using this thing. If you don't use the synth for a few weeks and then come back to it - you need to relearn the synth. I'll take a Behringer Deepmind 12 over this synth all day long.
If you don't like menu diving then you can always use the software which is very to the point. I don't see how they can make a better hardware design to create your own performances. I think it's really not difficult at all. I also don't understand why you advice a Behringer Deepmind instead. It's like comparing a Porsche 911 GT3 with a Tesla and saying you like the Tesla more because it's easier to drive and not as noisy. Also the 20x synths thing, what is the point of mentioning this? Hey look I have 20 synths so everything I say is special and great advice? If you really have 20 synths you should know better than to compare an analog polysynth with a digital sample based wave seq synth. Apples and oranges. Teslas and 911s.
@@ThevonMusic I was hoping the editor software would help - but I'm having difficulty installing it. The Korg installer instructions PDF are 12 x pages of study haha. I'll try again when I have more time. (My other synths just connect and update automatically.) I'm new to synthesizers - I love playing around with the sounds and get a lot of enjoyment from it, (I mentioned my other synth quantity purchases - to illustrate a point of workflow - and user experience. ) I don't care if a synth is digital or analog I treat it as a musical instrument - to make sounds and have fun. I hope in time - my hatred for the Wavestate will turn into love. Chill.
lol...gross... It's actually condensation from his body heat. Cold studio warm finger. You can tell because it completely clears up as he removes his fingers...
This is pretty redundant since it's a sample player by design. It's the sequencing technology that gives it it's power, or in other words the way it compiles its rompler functionality into a unique output. With the ability to add your own samples; it's effectively a unique device beyond the scope of the other two. Modwave is a good compliment to the unit. Daniel Fisher's video shows that pretty well. As usual my complaint lies with the limited octaves to harness the technology as well as poor build overall compared to competitor products. If you aren't too tight on space you can consider these small units modules to a point. Otherwise you have the native software now - so just use a controller. KORG are unlikely to ever do modules again. They were burned badly last time on this area of the market because they don't sell. The company aren't as large as the other brands - so they cant afford what they can, comparatively.
@@ErraticFaith Agreed about the limited octaves. I have been exploring the vst versions in demo mode. What would you consider an "ideal" controller to get the most out of Wavestate/Opsix?
@@davidochenrider8152 don't know much about midi controller key beds. But I'm sure a 49 or 69 key controller exists. You just have to make sure it has both velocity and aftertouch. Literally nothing else... maybe pitch/mod wheels (or better yet a Korg/Roland style stick combo)
lol it's actually not that hard. if you buy one of them and go through the whole manual while checking out everything on your synth, it's a few days and you know everything.
@@ThevonMusic err no - its a joke of a synth. Poor design, if you don't use it for a few weeks and return to it you can barely remember how it works and need to read the entire manual again for a few days - nah that's not fun.
@@johnsmith-nd9yo I don't see how they can create something even less complex tbh... I also don't use it that much and find it easy to work with even after months of not using. You can also use the free software to create your own performances, which is even more helpful because it visualizes your sequences really well. But to each their own opinion ofcourse.
There are quite a few more differences too, one of the major ones is that you have 64 polyphony on the Wavestate and 32 polyphony on the Modwave. The modwave is more of a sample twister/mangler whereas the wavestate is more of a sample-performer. With the modwave you can do more with the samples as you have two oscillators which each can have a sample as a formant and these can interact with each other to form new sounds whereas on the wavestate you can layer up to 4 layers of samples and even have 4 wave sequencing tracks to play with, which gives you richer combinations of samples if you like.
Yes they have a lot of similarities, but in short - with modwave you can do more with each sample - but with wavestate you have more samples to play with.
Thanks for the info! :)
Great bullet point comparisons!
True, modwave gives more precise manipulation over sound just like subtractive and FM/PD synths because it is not ROMpler, nor sampler, it is wavetable synth, while wavestate behaves like advanced sampler with included vector synthesis. They are complimentary if you can get both.
Wavestate is technically 64-voice but only 32 are available at a given time to allow for seamless crossfading of sounds. Just something to keep in mind.
You are confusing 2 different types of samples. Technically Modwave has nothing to do with traditional samples like chopped audio. Modwave use single cycle waveforms also called wavetables.
I needed that! Straight-forward explanation!
I just bought both. Lucky enough to not have to choose! Thanks for this great review.
Lucky, can I have one? :)
This is the best info review for these synths, thanks a lot!!! We want to see how you combine them jamming!!
Very nice comparison. I loved your TL,DR : ) @ 7:49.
3:59 - 5:09 is the guts of it / pretty key
The final is fantastic bro 😂
I have both and am happy for that...each one is def different.. yet they each do what I wish the other did .. so it's a win win having them to compliment each other
Great comparison thanks. Your funny sound comparison towards the end clearly highlights lights the difference sound approach too. I think I’m possibly shifting towards the ModWave which surprised me as purely based on spec I thought the WaveState was a slam dunk winner.
I liked the way the wave state sounded at the end.
I now have both, no regrets always inspirational.
I have both and both are interesting and worth having. But I find the sounds on th ModWave to be much more interesting and tweakable, and it's by far my favorite of the two. The WaveState is good at changing samples and producing evolving tones, but the ModWave is better at making interesting digital tones to work with.
I think a lot of people don't know that the Modwave is almost the same beast as the Wavestate, but with a few restrictions AND wavetable synthesis. 2 layers instead of 4, 32 voice polyphony instead of 64 and you cannot fade in/out different samples on different steps. So a few restrictions, but also with a big advantage: wavetable synthesis, which makes the Modwave the superior synth imo.
@@ThevonMusic Thing is, there are dozen of software VSTs which are doing similar thing as Modwave, and many HW wavetable synths as Argon, Hydrasynth, Viruses, Blofeld and so on, although you don't need computer if using HW, and Modwave is affordable and unique WT synthesizer. As you said, wavetable synthesis gives power over samplers and ROMplers, on atomic so to speak level. But it depends what you want with synthesizer. Aside from old synthesizers as Prophet VS and Wavestation, currently there is only Wavestate and Prophet VS Soul from Behringer with vector synthesis in HW form and if someone have many VSTs, Wavestate is unique with its vector synthesis.
Is modwave good for manipulating user samples?
If you want more realistic sounds, like sounds from real acoustic instruments, you like Vangelis, get Wavestate.
lol this video was great! This is the only one that I found that actually talked about the physical differences in such detail. Thank you!
you're welcome!
From what I've seen I prefer the sound of the wavestate but love the look of the modwave. I think you nailed the sound examples at the end.
Love my wavestate but Im seriously considering getting a modwave as well...its tempting
@@shadowbanned5164 I'm getting a wavestate for xmas. Be nice to get modwave and opsix eventually too
Precise and to the point. Nice summary at the end. May I enquire what the strings are like on the mod wave please. Thank you great video, very much appreciated
Thanks! I might be mistaken but I think all (multi)samples of the Modwave and Wavestate are the same. I want to create a comparison video with just performances of specific categories such as strings, pads, bass, ... of the Wavestate versus Modwave to give people an idea of the stock performances compared by category. Hopefully done around next weekend, so that might give you a good idea of what the Wavestate and Modwave can do with string performances.
You are awesome! Great ending!
Thank you kindly!
Great, thanks!!!!
They both have echoes of the old Wavestation. The buzzy tomes of the old Wavestation are still the same buzzy tomes today by the sounds. I'm torn as a Wavestation owner whether to get one of these.
Bee books?
Nice video bringing out the best of both machines.
Can you please tell me if the Wavestate can be synced with an external machine like how a normal sequencer would.
I have to use a midi play trig in my Octatrack sequencer for this.
Is this the only way ?
Pls assist thanks 🙏
I didn't try this myself but I guess you mean external clocking? It is possible. This comes from the manual:
Clock
[Internal, External, Auto]
Internal: The wavestate will use the Performance’s Tempo setting (also shown and controlled by the TAP TEMPO
button). Use this when playing the wavestate by itself, or when you want the wavestate to control the tempo of external
MIDI devices such as a sequencer or drum machine.
External: The wavestate tempo will synchronize to incoming MIDI Clock messages from either 5-pin MIDI or USB. If
MIDI clocks are not being received, tempo-related features will not function.
Auto: This combines the functionality of Internal and External, so that you don’t have to manually switch between the
two:
• If MIDI Clocks are not being received, the wavestate uses its internal tempo.
• If MIDI Clocks are being received, they control the tempo. If the clocks stop for more than 500 ms, the wavestate
switches back to internal tempo.
@@ThevonMusic thank you for your help. Yes I do sync the drum machine to the ws
However it’s not like any other synth where there’s a play stop button.
Since it does not have the play stop button the Wavestate will only respond to a play trig in the midi sequencer of the drum machine. The ws is the slave
I just want to verify if this is the only way.
Thanks again.
Thank you for the video and the explanation. I heard and saw a lot of videos about Wavestate and how it sounds. Now that I've heard and saw about Modwave I must say I'll buy a Wavestate. I’m not saying it is or it sounds the same but it reminds me of Korg 01W that works with layers and simple sounds with FX, too. 😉😉👍👍
great explanation
Thanks!
Great video 👍🏽👍🏽
Very well explained. Now I want red macro knobs for my Wavestate!
Thanks for this clarification. Conclusion is clear. Are the presets(or performances…) playable seamlessly ie without sound cut ?
If you mean by switching a performance and it still plays the sound of the previous one? Yes, but not if you quickly change twice.
@@ThevonMusic ok thanks it is like on my MODX so
@@brunodadivore9606 I have the MODX7 and the Wavestate - it's a really good combination because I run midi in and out between both. A patch change on the MODX still affects the Wavestate, even if it's not on one of the 8 layers assigned to the key bed of the MODX. The result is that the Wavestate gains an extra layer from the MODX, and the MODX can layer the Wavestate as well, and controls the program changes. Once you're used to it, it just works with not much programming.
If alternately I hooked up the MODX to another 16 part multitimbral synth, e.g. a Roland Fantom, then all of the stock patches would play the other synth as well. Not good.
Anyway - the point is that I found MY ideal setup, and it works because I assign the channel of the Wavestate on a selected channel above what the MODX keys can play - i.e. anything from 9 to 16. My old Roland V-Synth had the same advantage - the limitation (advantage) to 4 Midi channels. I chose channel 12, because it leaves 4 more channels above that for other devices such as the Novation Circuit or the Elektron Digitone.
Yes, I know this explanation was a bit rambling. Reach out if you would like some more details.
And, Yes, I know that this response is not talking about the SSS function of the MODX
i already have the retro SY22 and Wavestation AD, so no more Wavestate vectors for me. I will go for Modwave and wavetables.
Do they have the same or similar presets? Thanks.
No they don't
Which is better for Brazzers?
A HUGE 4K screen preferably
The music in the background is SCARY 😭
Great informative video
can you load own samples on the KORG MODWAVE?
yes and wavetables too
That last Audio comparison says it all. ModWave is a synth, WaveState a sequencing rompler, whatever that is. Both are headache.
Hi All. What is up with wavewstate ?? Are they out of production?
I can't buy it anywhere and no one can tell me when it will be in the shops.
They're back in stock in this shop: www.bax-shop.be/nl/synthesizer/korg-wavestate-wave-sequencing-synthesizer
It's a shop from Holland/Belgium. So I guess if they're back in stock over there, other shops will follow.
Now how to pick between Hydrasynth and the Modwave... 🤔
Buy me a Hydrasynth and I'll figure it out for you :p
I can't be anyone's sugar daddy lil buddy 😅
@@dr.papadopolis7171 well then you're not allowed to call me lil buddy either :p
Thank you for this very good summary. However I would say that this video would benefit from omitting obvious and unnecessary differences such as panel texture and logo placement. Since I was unfamiliar with your channel, when I heard you explaining that my thought was "oh another rubbish comparison" (I nearly skipped to another video at that point). Thankfully everything that came later was very informative.
Hehe thanks! ;-)
The End of the Video open my Mind.Short and painless👍🤣
Get both, job done
LOL! You should have said that in the beginning! LOL! @7:54
Hmm, I don’t think that last example of what each sounds like made sense to me. It sounds like the modwave is more of an analog old school sound? Whereas the wavestate is more modern sounding?
No, the Wavestate is pure sample based while the Modwave is sample based (same samples!) but also has Wavetable synthesis. I'm going to create a movie where I create a new patch ('performance') with both the Wavestate and Modwave to show you where they're equal and also different, probably going to be online in 1-2 weeks. They're both digital synths with very similar hardware.
@@ThevonMusic Ok so for someone like me who has a Moog grandmother, and pro logic with a midi controller, which one of the three Korgs in this line up would you think best if I wanted to stop using Logic emulators in the box and have a digital/modern sound to accompany my Moog? I actually though the Opsix would be a good bet as well but I’m just so confused because you loose certain things from one board to the next.
@@ChrisTopheRaz Korg Opsix is not a sequencing synth, which is quite a huge deal imo. If you want something similar to the Opsix, check out FM8 (software plugin) I think when it comes down to the most all-in synth I'd say the Modwave can actually do 90% of the Wavestate + wavetable synthesis and I really like screwing around with wavetables!
@@ThevonMusic the Opsix does have a sequencer actually. Is there something I’m missing on that? There are some great plug-ins but personally I prefer working with hardware. I do like the modwave for sure and it’s the newest of the three. The only downfall I saw or at least that people make it sound like the MOD wave is more geared towards an analog sound than a modern digital FM sound. But maybe that’s not correct maybe people just don’t do reviews very well on some of those boards
@@ChrisTopheRaz I give you an example of one of the differences between wavestate and modwave: with the wavestate you can change your samples per step with the sequencer. This way you can for example create a 'strings' performance which uses different string samples on a per step basis... you can't really do that on the modwave, it's the extra 'sample' lane that you see on the wavestate. wavestate also has 4 layers, but on the other hand the modwave can do two samples at once in one layer. I'd say the things you can't do with the modwave compared to the wavestate are imo quite negligible. I don't know why people say stuff like that in reviews, doesn't really make a lot of sense to me. I see the opsix has a sequencer too, didn't know that. It's so hard to talk about the differences in text, I hope to do the video next week with creating performances from zero with both machines next to eachother. Just a bit too busy right now.
thx frend :)
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Great reviews. I do synthesizer also... Just joined
Welcome aboard!
only way out for me is...... get both!!
I didn't know Pep Guardiola was a musician in his younger days ...
I'm a City fan so thanks :p
@@ThevonMusic where can u get wavetables?
I'm a French toast guy myself
Take both, you get a split keyboard for free 😂
They shold make a modstate
I would describe Modwave as way gritty compared to wavestaete
good info. good job. I got a wavestate when they first came out. i love the sound and i have korg workstations so the layers are familiar territory. the modwave also looks like a great performance synth and sounds decent on all the videos i watched. But i really REALLY do not like the housing and crappy keyboard. It is in the way, and i am sort of afraid to break the wavestate keyboard playing live. I mainly play larger keyboards, so i am going to wait for modules and then probably sell my wavestate for a module. no aftertouch on most korg synths also sucks, so you have to trigger using velocity, and that's how you break a cheap keyboard unless it is piano action or semi-weighted which can take the beating of a live performance with lots of velocity trickery.
(here is my little wavestate demo song if you are curious. i took advantage of the resonance being controlled by a sequence and made it sound like a modular synth in the middle part ruclips.net/video/9CuVFJLHI5w/видео.html and here is me beating the hell out of my piano, so you will understand my problem ruclips.net/video/ZAC8ZdMSJQs/видео.html )
I totally agree. I don't need the keyboards and the form factor is a nuisance. Desktop or rack modules would be much more convenient.
@@geoffk777 true...but beyond you literally cutting the key bed off (it's been done) the only "module" we're getting is VST's of wavestate and opsix... pretty sure once the initial sales and a couple of years pass... we'll get software of the modwave as well... actual modules? Doubtful...🤷🏻♂️
@@BendApparatus Today they announced module versions of all three. I was surprised.
@@countyfair74 that's good. You'd think they would have offered them from the beginning. All they had to do was slightly alter the mold...but no...they had to wait a couple of years...
Imagine how those who didn't want the key bed but still wanted the synth feel now...lol
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Waldorf Blofeld. 😉
I bought one...and the pots-decoders were a nightmare, starting to jump as new, while you couldn't change sounds with anything else, like arrow and +/- buttons. It's a pity because I liked the crispy Blofeld sounds...but their pots/encoders are from hell, lol. (None of my other japanese synths - AN1X, MS2000, etc. -had such a problem, after 20 years...)
@@Aetila Some units sadly have that problem, but it can be fixed.
I purchased a Wavestate based upon a few YTube videos, but after 2 months I hate the thing. The preset sounds are complete garbage and really annoying after a few listens, the workflow is a nightmare. Its a depressing synth. Build quality feels like a child's toy. The menu diving is a complete joke. I have 20 x synths and this is the only one that fills me with rage when using it. I don't like to give up on a synth so I will keep trying to like it. If you're thinking of buying a Wavestate - I would suggest you watch a few tutorials on using this thing. If you don't use the synth for a few weeks and then come back to it - you need to relearn the synth. I'll take a Behringer Deepmind 12 over this synth all day long.
If you don't like menu diving then you can always use the software which is very to the point. I don't see how they can make a better hardware design to create your own performances. I think it's really not difficult at all. I also don't understand why you advice a Behringer Deepmind instead. It's like comparing a Porsche 911 GT3 with a Tesla and saying you like the Tesla more because it's easier to drive and not as noisy. Also the 20x synths thing, what is the point of mentioning this? Hey look I have 20 synths so everything I say is special and great advice? If you really have 20 synths you should know better than to compare an analog polysynth with a digital sample based wave seq synth. Apples and oranges. Teslas and 911s.
@@ThevonMusic I was hoping the editor software would help - but I'm having difficulty installing it. The Korg installer instructions PDF are 12 x pages of study haha. I'll try again when I have more time. (My other synths just connect and update automatically.)
I'm new to synthesizers - I love playing around with the sounds and get a lot of enjoyment from it, (I mentioned my other synth quantity purchases - to illustrate a point of workflow - and user experience. )
I don't care if a synth is digital or analog I treat it as a musical instrument - to make sounds and have fun.
I hope in time - my hatred for the Wavestate will turn into love.
Chill.
Nice vid, greasy juicy fingers lol
I like it dirty
lol...gross...
It's actually condensation from his body heat. Cold studio warm finger.
You can tell because it completely clears up as he removes his fingers...
The Wavestate was botched it's a glorified rompler, the modwave is a true Wavetable synth.
Botched? I don't have the numbers but I'm pretty sure the Wavestate is sold more than the Modwave.
No way I feel it’s botched. It’s just a high learning curve. It does things others can’t. I love mine. Paired with the Hydrasynth, it’s insane.
This is pretty redundant since it's a sample player by design. It's the sequencing technology that gives it it's power, or in other words the way it compiles its rompler functionality into a unique output. With the ability to add your own samples; it's effectively a unique device beyond the scope of the other two. Modwave is a good compliment to the unit. Daniel Fisher's video shows that pretty well. As usual my complaint lies with the limited octaves to harness the technology as well as poor build overall compared to competitor products. If you aren't too tight on space you can consider these small units modules to a point. Otherwise you have the native software now - so just use a controller. KORG are unlikely to ever do modules again. They were burned badly last time on this area of the market because they don't sell. The company aren't as large as the other brands - so they cant afford what they can, comparatively.
@@ErraticFaith Agreed about the limited octaves. I have been exploring the vst versions in demo mode. What would you consider an "ideal" controller to get the most out of Wavestate/Opsix?
@@davidochenrider8152 don't know much about midi controller key beds.
But I'm sure a 49 or 69 key controller exists. You just have to make sure it has both velocity and aftertouch.
Literally nothing else... maybe pitch/mod wheels (or better yet a Korg/Roland style stick combo)
whoa bro.. this is some hi-tek shit! too much for my simple ass brain... 🥴
lol it's actually not that hard. if you buy one of them and go through the whole manual while checking out everything on your synth, it's a few days and you know everything.
@@ThevonMusic alright, cool bro 😎
@@ThevonMusic err no - its a joke of a synth. Poor design, if you don't use it for a few weeks and return to it you can barely remember how it works and need to read the entire manual again for a few days - nah that's not fun.
@@johnsmith-nd9yo I don't see how they can create something even less complex tbh... I also don't use it that much and find it easy to work with even after months of not using. You can also use the free software to create your own performances, which is even more helpful because it visualizes your sequences really well. But to each their own opinion ofcourse.