As a support player I can already tell you in low to mid play he IS meta and it absolutely hell! He does way to much damage for easy abilities and had way to much hp. This is sort of why we had stuns, and it was to keep these high mobile characters in check
@@Shiroe439 do not listen to these people. Its the exact same stuff we heard during doom week, hog meta etcetcetcetc. They just want rein all game and to sit back and not be bothered
@@Shiroe439 don't know if I would call him op, but part of the issue in low to mid tier is that people just suck at hitting him. As a DPS it can be really hard to focus him, he just rolls around so fast that tracking him can become a lot.
Ppl crying for a Regin baby sitting with shield cus they keep going the same angle and dying with the same char but hey Switch off Ball and btw to counter Ball is so easy when just 2 players work together he does no dmg on guns u need to piledrive slam and then guns to kill most target Just dont Los u team if u support easy lol
As a support main. All I can say is, if your tank is using ball. Use walls for cover. And if your tank is using Shield Tank, still use the wall. Stop standing in the open dammit!
You act like supports have the luxury of choosing their cover lol, supports have to make position decisions based off of their teammates, their safety, the enemy, & what character they're playing, they aren't dps
@@Alex_Aramayo we do have the luxury. if I see the red streak of an enemy widow I am NOT jumping in the open just to heal my dps that thinks 1v1ing the enemy and orisa is a good idea. I’ll ping that they need to come to me for healing & if they don’t then im letting them get picked by widow over and over! just bc THEY play stupid doesn’t mean I gotta play stupid!
His health bar is beautiful now! Can’t wait for Karq to have to update his video on how shield and armor are calculated now that they are indeed on the same character
It will likely calculate like overhealth does currently. Where damage taken doesn't get the armor reduction except for when the armor itself is being damaged. Overhealth simply takes full damage if its over armor.
@@DankBobRoss I think what he meant was, It would be better for the ball if armour was what was damaged 1st instead of shield so that they would take less damage at 1st. And picking up a small 75hp healthpack would be enough to mitigate the 107 something damage received (75 dmg taken if the armour was on top). Now if you take 107 dmg it deals 107 dmg to the shield and a mini would not top you up to full HP. (sorry for bad inglis)
Seriously dude, ball is broken because his ult can kill now? They just don’t like playing against ball so they’ll scream OP until Ball is nerfed. Just like what they did with Doomfist.
Idk, who would you rather have? A DPS Sniper that can only be countered with a mirrored duel, or a Tank that's impossible to kill and has high mobility, so he can just regain all the health you chipped off of him?
I can’t believe Flats though the Orissa nerfs were too much and ball is OP now…all those buffs did was make ball on par with the other dive tanks like DvA and Winston/Doom.
I wouldn't say on par , doom is ass right now unless your a actual god with him and dva is a bit iffy but Winston is really good now just haven't seen too many. Ball is definitely the best dive especially at GM and honestly could do decent in low elo just by existing and rolling around
@@Glizzyman Doom, Winston and DvA are just solid tanks, the worst have been junker Queen and ball, with these buffs I think ball becomes a soldier a or b tier tank. I have no idea how you can say “ball is definitely the best dive in GM” when the patch has barely been out for a day.
yeah but ball is still only really a menace if you’ve mastered him, otherwise a decent sombra or mei will pretty much turn ball players into free ult charge
Ball buffs will be OP for Chasm and a handful of others. Piledriver is a good buff (and they could have problably improved guns a bit instead to help confirm kills) but mine buff is nothing crazy and something was needed as it was a weaker tank ult. Same ol same ol - counter widow with widow (doubt the hp nerf is going to let you not run widow to deal with widow) and hope they don't run a mercy pocketed cracked hitscan player. At low levels Ball will still be throw-level for anyone who doesn't main him.
The mine field was a little bad before the buff, if you didn't time it exceptionally well, everyone was able to escape easily. Now it requieres a little less timing and enemies have less time to escape wich is great
How are you complaining when ball gets one good mine multikill while you are 1 tapping with widow. It pretty clear you already have a bias against ball and now that his ult does something that you can't easily walk out of you think it the end of the world. I will say again good balls comes from knowing the tech. Not the new buffs.
The buffs to ball were all great except the mines. There is practically 0 counter play to his ult now. It's rough for supports. If they left his ult alone, or buffed it a little less it'd feel more balanced. He's just a little overtuned right now
@@tylermarch7959 I disagree about the ult, still lots of people get out of it unharmed. Considering it is an "ULT" it should be powerful. It shouldn't be useless like it was before when EVERYONE walked out. If you listen for the sound ques it still escapable. You just have be adjust to the new timing. One thing i found that really hurts Ball is Mercy 50% extra healing at low health make it almost impossible to kill a pocketed player with guns. That is going to really annoying.
@@chadkelley4267xactly the ult hardly killed anyone pre buff and tanks like doom can still destroy the entire ult with one ability. it so annoying hearing people cry about an ult that was trash before buffs because it’s actually somewhat viable now. majority of tank ults have the same kill potential, if u get hit with like a shatter for example you might as well but your controller because ur stunned for so long but nobody complains about that.
I've actually had fun and success playing brig in ranked. It took a bit to get used to sitting back and not suiciding while cosplaying as a tank, but they're good. Only against Ball tho.
as a ball main he feels really overtuned rn. he can slam so damn often and the basic mine slam combo nearly always guarantees a kill now. I'm so worried that he'll get the doomfist treatment where he ends up worse than he began with
@@zeddexel one guaranteed kill for an ult isn’t a bad thing because ults are meant to be good. Ramattras ult is an example of being too good rn. I main ball too and i believe he is where he should be now.
@@masift1494 my dude I have 400 hours on him and learned everything about him and was diamond and only lost woth ball, he's my favorite and with the new patch I can finally win 50/50
No dude, don't say stuff like this. As a Ball main, he is not competitively viable in Overwatch 2 currently. It's simply a matter of being outclassed. Players are unable to adapt to not having a shield tank.
Give him 20 bullets or just a tiny bit more of dmg the shield is not that crazy it takes longer then supports to get it back so im still out of the fight but now standing still idk what billzard is doing
Nah with stun out of the game and a nerfed hog, ain’t no way ball should be the way he is. He needs to be needed. Every tank should have a hard counter against one another. This one is “have the team focus on one”
I'm a ball player, the hp buff is good, and I don't know why they buff the mine. Actually the ult is usually used as zone control, blocking or cutting opponents. Now it seems to ask me to use it on damage.
Orissa ult is still way harder to escape than a Ball ult since that can actually 1 shot you a landmine doesn't kill you you need at least be hit by 2 of them if full health
but it very rarely actually one shots you without dmg boost or nano because it takes so long to ramp up, ball on the other hand can throw you into the air with his piledriver so you can't escape the ult
people talked about how bonkers he was last season, i saw it, but anytime I decided to be ball i'd get focused to death. Even with me being casual in terms of ball, even my quick In and outs wheren't good enough for a team based concentration fire.
Ball isn't broken even tho the piledrive cd is a bit too strong but the shields is just a quality of life change & the ult buff was needed, no matter the rank tell me how impactful his ult was??? Exactly
I don’t think the piledrive is too strong at all, those buffs just put ball on par with other a or b tier tanks. I don’t even think ball will be hard meta like Orissa or hog
@@donovan4222 Yeah thing with Ball is that he takes a ton of skill to use. So really he's not a hero that anyone can use. He won't be a super common pick just because of that.
I'll pick a ball meta over a widow meta any day. If anything, ball is the anti widow meta. Most tank players who dont play ball, wont start playing ball just because he becomes strong, because of the complexity and flavour of his skillset. So you wont see an enormous amount of ball players per se, because it's not easy to use him like hog.
Also, ball has quite a big trade off in terms of the sort of space he generates. People who are extremely independent in gameplay in high elos are most suited for working with this space, but low to medium high elos would generally have difficulty working in this sort of space. So it kind of averages out. It's a lot like Sojourn, except Sojourn's gameplay style is more the intuitive flavour of mainstream fps players. The flavour of Balls style is not for everyone.
@@GrandpaDemondefinitely those two, Lucio is great at stopping ball’s momentum and staying alive, while zen’s discord and dmg is great against ball who doesn’t hv something like defense matrix or barrier (as long as zen stays alive)
Ball main here, did not think he needed buffs. He was just hard to play most of season 2 with how strong Hog and Orisa were (his two best counters in the tank role). Now I'm here fearing the over-nerfs.
Yeah there's a lot of good ball counters. Brig or Lucio can push him away and be super annoying, Sombra hack. Junkrat's trap, and of course Mei for the slowdown and wall to screw him up. Orisa is also a good tank to bully ball.
Sombra isn't as good a ball counter as she used to be though. Hacking a ball in OW basically sentenced it to death. Doing so in OW2 means he'll be shielding and rolling off again in 1.5 seconds.
@@sorasolos5654 I wrote my comment knowing people of all skill levels will read it. Of course that means it’s useless info to some but might be helpful to others.
Yesterday I had the worst game against a widow. There was a widow completely wiping our team, but they had a Doom as well, who was getting heal botted. So even after our tank was yelled at and I switched to widow, it didn't matter, because their doom would just jump the backline and the widow would completely destroy our tank. So it was just a game of Doom killing everyone and being invincible taking a shit ton of heals, knocking everyone around, not being able to do anything, and our tank just suicide diving the widow. It was the first time in forever where I just gave up with my team because we were so locked down no matter what we tried. It was just so unfun. I really wished Widow would just be deleted from the game after that.
Y’all wonder why no one wants to play support, with no new content other than a singular new hero, almost compete removal of cc, and pure buffs to high mobility high pressure tanks
Supports have more survivability than dps,and despite what blizzard says there is still tons of CC. Also the game is better when dive tanks are good than when hog or Orissa are meta.
everyone went from saying ball is D tier ball is bad if you pick ball youre throwing. now that he has these buffs everyones is like " oh well i thought ball was decent before" yeah during pre nerfs for hog and orisa...sure....
I played against Ball after these buffs and there’s practically 0 time to react to his pile drive+Ult combo as a support now. Feels like you die without even touching the ground. This patch is pretty miserable for Support in general.
we used to have several ways to stun or disrupt ball, now we are limited. meaning we have less ways to keep him from constantly seeking health packs or repeatedly pounding on supports. not everyone can or wants to play Sombra, Mei, or Ana. with his health and armor combined and the lack of CC, imo, if you can't make ball viable that's a you problem. tell em flats.
Overwatch 2: the game where thanks that are trash become god like in one patch, and supports suffer again. They're paying for the sins of goats meta because of brig
theyre gonna give the doomfist treatment to my boy i hate every content creator and person that screamed for him to get buffed theyre gonna make his grapple cooldown longer or something evil rather than reverting the buffs
Brig is good and fun. The hidden Torb knockback on his shotgun is HUGE. I haven't played a good ball yet, but I'm sure I'll just do my best to avoid them.
Ball/Sombra being good might be the perfect reason for me to stop playing the game as a Supp. There's just some playstyles that are only fun for the person playing it. Ball means you're playing down a peeler or facing someone you have to spend all your attention on. Sombra means you have to play inside your team or face fighting something that has every advantage on you. On your team, you're just straight up down damage.
How do you feel about the non role queue tank changes? I'm a tank main with no interest in comp so I only play with friends in arcade. So in every game mode I play I'm just a lumbering DPS with barely any HP. Until they change it I don't think I"ll be playing Overwatch anymore. It's a shame because I really enjoy the game but it's truly unplayable for me now.
As a widow main for dps, I was fine with them lowering widow's health, cause yeah it made sense to compensate for 5v5 and her one-shot. But they also buffed sombra and gave ball huge buffs, I just can't play widow anymore 😭
Idk how it is on pc because I’m on console but 99% of the widows I come across in ranked masters elo are garbage and have at least 5k less damage than everyone else. Widow is not easy on controller whatsoever
@@marcusb553 As long as the widow is getting good picks, damage isn't necessarily gonna reflect how good she's doing. But also I was just malding cause I got Kings Row and was matched with a crazy enemy ball + dive team and widow was unplayable that game lol
I never thought he needed a buff, I though he needed a rework. He’s damn near unelimable pre and post buffs, and support mains are in ganger everywhere they go now
Just a suggestion but could you get something interesting for us to look at behind your camera? Like an anime poster or different colored lights? Just anything besides the plain lamp? Also how do you even play video games with the light on?
If ball ever does become meta, I fear for the lives of support players.
UPDATE: SO HELP US BLIZZARD
As a support player I can already tell you in low to mid play he IS meta and it absolutely hell! He does way to much damage for easy abilities and had way to much hp. This is sort of why we had stuns, and it was to keep these high mobile characters in check
@@Shiroe439 ok easy abilities cap he’s so easily the hardest character to play in the game it’s funny. Probably still too good though
@@Shiroe439 do not listen to these people. Its the exact same stuff we heard during doom week, hog meta etcetcetcetc. They just want rein all game and to sit back and not be bothered
@@Shiroe439 don't know if I would call him op, but part of the issue in low to mid tier is that people just suck at hitting him. As a DPS it can be really hard to focus him, he just rolls around so fast that tracking him can become a lot.
Ppl crying for a Regin baby sitting with shield cus they keep going the same angle and dying with the same char but hey Switch off Ball and btw to counter Ball is so easy when just 2 players work together he does no dmg on guns u need to piledrive slam and then guns to kill most target
Just dont Los u team if u support easy lol
*plays widow*
*enemy team starts playing widow*
"I hate this game so much"
@Real_Flats wait a minute... I don't think you're the real Flats...
Yeah idk why they’re complaining. It’s just a different meta now. We gotta adapt in different ways because of it.
Karma for picking widow.
@quriguess what if the enemy widow?
@@digojez Then they win
As a support main. All I can say is, if your tank is using ball. Use walls for cover. And if your tank is using Shield Tank, still use the wall. Stop standing in the open dammit!
Thank you "coming from ball main"
You act like supports have the luxury of choosing their cover lol, supports have to make position decisions based off of their teammates, their safety, the enemy, & what character they're playing, they aren't dps
DPS mains and Support mains when they say a tank is suppose to "protect the team"
What the fuck is a natural cover?
@@Alex_Aramayo we do have the luxury. if I see the red streak of an enemy widow I am NOT jumping in the open just to heal my dps that thinks 1v1ing the enemy and orisa is a good idea. I’ll ping that they need to come to me for healing & if they don’t then im letting them get picked by widow over and over! just bc THEY play stupid doesn’t mean I gotta play stupid!
I do agree, natural cover is based, play around as many corners as possible
His health bar is beautiful now! Can’t wait for Karq to have to update his video on how shield and armor are calculated now that they are indeed on the same character
It will likely calculate like overhealth does currently. Where damage taken doesn't get the armor reduction except for when the armor itself is being damaged. Overhealth simply takes full damage if its over armor.
It's kinda annoying. Using healthpacks heals armor and shield equally i think so I'm wasting health on sheild instead of armor
@@meowcow21don’t healthpacks heal from the bottom up? So it would heal the armor before the shield
@@DankBobRoss I think what he meant was, It would be better for the ball if armour was what was damaged 1st instead of shield so that they would take less damage at 1st. And picking up a small 75hp healthpack would be enough to mitigate the 107 something damage received (75 dmg taken if the armour was on top). Now if you take 107 dmg it deals 107 dmg to the shield and a mini would not top you up to full HP. (sorry for bad inglis)
@@shanonfrancis5071 the the point of the shield though, it regenerates on its own and doesn’t need a health pack
The headline should be "Why is widowmaker broken featuring ball..Because that's all I see here..
Fr, oneshots are a menace for the game's balance.
Flats when any character who isnt Winton or Rein is meta
Seems like less of a depiction of how ball is nuts and more of how widow is still a problem
very few times when they complained about ball did the buff impact what happened
Indeed
Nah it's genji that's the problem he needs another nerf
@@jigsaw5950 ah shii- u rite
Flats: One shot kills everyone in 4 seconds
"Ball is broken"
This is true, so true 😂
Flats:” ball is op now”
Plays wido
yeah ball is so OP the guy had to switch off ball cause they were getting rolled...no pun intended.
Flats getting tapped perfectly by the widow 3rd point when he was stood behind seagull was the funniest shit
All tanks 1 or 2 shotting with their regular NON ULTIMATE ability: I SLEEP
Hammond getting a kill with an ULTIMATE: REAL SHIT
Seriously dude, ball is broken because his ult can kill now? They just don’t like playing against ball so they’ll scream OP until Ball is nerfed. Just like what they did with Doomfist.
If he drives widow out of meta and into oblivion, then I have no problem with it
Lol a eye for a eye
Amen, preach
YES PLZ. Ashe is already enough to deal with
Small price to pay
Idk, who would you rather have?
A DPS Sniper that can only be countered with a mirrored duel, or a Tank that's impossible to kill and has high mobility, so he can just regain all the health you chipped off of him?
I can’t believe Flats though the Orissa nerfs were too much and ball is OP now…all those buffs did was make ball on par with the other dive tanks like DvA and Winston/Doom.
I wouldn't say on par , doom is ass right now unless your a actual god with him and dva is a bit iffy but Winston is really good now just haven't seen too many. Ball is definitely the best dive especially at GM and honestly could do decent in low elo just by existing and rolling around
@@Glizzyman Doom, Winston and DvA are just solid tanks, the worst have been junker Queen and ball, with these buffs I think ball becomes a soldier a or b tier tank. I have no idea how you can say “ball is definitely the best dive in GM” when the patch has barely been out for a day.
@@donovan4222 nah junker queen is definitely better than doom
@@Hietakissa not going by the leaderboards, there’s a lot more top 500 dooms than junker queens. Especially since the Hog nerf.
@@donovan4222 I blame the S2 doom buffs and junker queen being terrible for a long time for that
That gap between the cylinders has always been there - Kephrii used to make people so pissed by using it
yeah but ball is still only really a menace if you’ve mastered him, otherwise a decent sombra or mei will pretty much turn ball players into free ult charge
I mean... the title may be about ball, but widow is clearly the one mowing down the team.
@Real_Flats thtas ME!!!!!!!!!!!
Gotta love how they nerfed Widow's hp AND turbo buffed Ball, thx Blizzard... I hate it
You guys sound like you have so much fun. I wish I had friends lol
Yeah it’s hard nowadays because everyone is so damn toxic
im sure theres tons of people you can play with on the flats discord.
i can play with you
I get what you're saying but friends are over rated ngl.
@John Wick you sound like the overwatch 2 chat lobby
3:30 "guys there's a ball coming for my cheeks"
Zenyata: "Yesn't"
I've never heard seagull laugh like he did when flats got sniped 💀
9:45 intense valorant angle game play. great with the elevator background music, too.
Ball buffs will be OP for Chasm and a handful of others. Piledriver is a good buff (and they could have problably improved guns a bit instead to help confirm kills) but mine buff is nothing crazy and something was needed as it was a weaker tank ult. Same ol same ol - counter widow with widow (doubt the hp nerf is going to let you not run widow to deal with widow) and hope they don't run a mercy pocketed cracked hitscan player. At low levels Ball will still be throw-level for anyone who doesn't main him.
Since most ball players only use piledriver with grappling hook, its not a huge buff unless you are a good ball who knows how to Wall jump and slam
@@donovan4222yeah ball is not op for the majority of players
I think it's more that Chazm is OP lol.
I was hoping for either reload speed buff or a little more damage but the buffs he got were pretty good imo
The mine field was a little bad before the buff, if you didn't time it exceptionally well, everyone was able to escape easily.
Now it requieres a little less timing and enemies have less time to escape wich is great
As a ball main i say: let us have this buff. Ball wasnt that great before or ever. Let us have this.
How are you complaining when ball gets one good mine multikill while you are 1 tapping with widow. It pretty clear you already have a bias against ball and now that his ult does something that you can't easily walk out of you think it the end of the world. I will say again good balls comes from knowing the tech. Not the new buffs.
The buffs to ball were all great except the mines. There is practically 0 counter play to his ult now. It's rough for supports. If they left his ult alone, or buffed it a little less it'd feel more balanced. He's just a little overtuned right now
@@tylermarch7959 I disagree about the ult, still lots of people get out of it unharmed. Considering it is an "ULT" it should be powerful. It shouldn't be useless like it was before when EVERYONE walked out.
If you listen for the sound ques it still escapable. You just have be adjust to the new timing.
One thing i found that really hurts Ball is Mercy 50% extra healing at low health make it almost impossible to kill a pocketed player with guns. That is going to really annoying.
@@chadkelley4267xactly the ult hardly killed anyone pre buff and tanks like doom can still destroy the entire ult with one ability. it so annoying hearing people cry about an ult that was trash before buffs because it’s actually somewhat viable now. majority of tank ults have the same kill potential, if u get hit with like a shatter for example you might as well but your controller because ur stunned for so long but nobody complains about that.
I've actually had fun and success playing brig in ranked. It took a bit to get used to sitting back and not suiciding while cosplaying as a tank, but they're good.
Only against Ball tho.
I hate how just because somebody is good with a character means that character need to get nerfed
Ball is not op that guy is just good.
as a ball main he feels really overtuned rn. he can slam so damn often and the basic mine slam combo nearly always guarantees a kill now.
I'm so worried that he'll get the doomfist treatment where he ends up worse than he began with
@@zeddexel one guaranteed kill for an ult isn’t a bad thing because ults are meant to be good. Ramattras ult is an example of being too good rn. I main ball too and i believe he is where he should be now.
@@JimmyJr630 maybe if they hadn't removed crowd control
@@zeddexel As another Ball main, i feel like they need to just revert the Mine buff.
@@TSGC16 I agree, the mines were a mediocre ult before, but I think he'll be in a more fair spot if that is reverted.
Ragdolls in this game kind of go crazy.
I wouldn't call him OP but he's definitely pretty good.
hes finally a tank you can pick in role queue and not just in open queue
Hes now playable
@@rigghost6331 nah he was legit playable before, he's strong now
@@masift1494 my dude I have 400 hours on him and learned everything about him and was diamond and only lost woth ball, he's my favorite and with the new patch I can finally win 50/50
@@masift1494 he was so playable last patch that there was only one top player using him
I wouldn't call the ball overpowering, but in the right hands, it's definitely playable.
Widow did a cartwheel off the map every time Flats died 😂
The buff is probably because ball was THE throw pick in diamond and below.
They should remove ball from the game instead of making him viable.
@@GoatOfWarratio
@@nedf8379 No
@@GoatOfWar based
@@GoatOfWar unique characters should not be removed at all
No dude, don't say stuff like this. As a Ball main, he is not competitively viable in Overwatch 2 currently. It's simply a matter of being outclassed. Players are unable to adapt to not having a shield tank.
Doom mains: first time?
This is literally playing out how doom week played. Complete with flats clickbait omg so op thumbnails
Orisa and Roadhog who have been meta most of the time since OW2 came out and even a week where doomfist was also up there…
Give him 20 bullets or just a tiny bit more of dmg the shield is not that crazy it takes longer then supports to get it back so im still out of the fight but now standing still idk what billzard is doing
Nah with stun out of the game and a nerfed hog, ain’t no way ball should be the way he is. He needs to be needed. Every tank should have a hard counter against one another. This one is “have the team focus on one”
Yeah..
Loving the ragdoll physics.
I'm a ball player, the hp buff is good, and I don't know why they buff the mine. Actually the ult is usually used as zone control, blocking or cutting opponents.
Now it seems to ask me to use it on damage.
wtf do you mean? he was bad and lost even with the Widow diff. Bruh these clickbaits do be getting lamer each day.
Orissa ult is still way harder to escape than a Ball ult since that can actually 1 shot you a landmine doesn't kill you you need at least be hit by 2 of them if full health
but it very rarely actually one shots you without dmg boost or nano because it takes so long to ramp up, ball on the other hand can throw you into the air with his piledriver so you can't escape the ult
Ball is so much fun now. it’s great to see him buffed
he's fun because you can't kill him
from this video I learned that the Widow is still OVERPOWERED
Everytime flats brings out the widow I think of the loki clip "you must be desperate to come to me for help"
title should be “getting widow diffed”
Spent the last few days learning ball since the patch he feels so much better to play it makes me so happy
people talked about how bonkers he was last season, i saw it, but anytime I decided to be ball i'd get focused to death. Even with me being casual in terms of ball, even my quick In and outs wheren't good enough for a team based concentration fire.
hats off to the editor for using the sonic unleashed song for like the 400th time. bravo
Ball isn't broken even tho the piledrive cd is a bit too strong but the shields is just a quality of life change & the ult buff was needed, no matter the rank tell me how impactful his ult was??? Exactly
I don’t think the piledrive is too strong at all, those buffs just put ball on par with other a or b tier tanks. I don’t even think ball will be hard meta like Orissa or hog
@@donovan4222 Yeah thing with Ball is that he takes a ton of skill to use. So really he's not a hero that anyone can use. He won't be a super common pick just because of that.
The answer against ball:
Bastion, Zens Orb, Junkrat Trap
I'll pick a ball meta over a widow meta any day. If anything, ball is the anti widow meta. Most tank players who dont play ball, wont start playing ball just because he becomes strong, because of the complexity and flavour of his skillset. So you wont see an enormous amount of ball players per se, because it's not easy to use him like hog.
Also, ball has quite a big trade off in terms of the sort of space he generates. People who are extremely independent in gameplay in high elos are most suited for working with this space, but low to medium high elos would generally have difficulty working in this sort of space. So it kind of averages out. It's a lot like Sojourn, except Sojourn's gameplay style is more the intuitive flavour of mainstream fps players. The flavour of Balls style is not for everyone.
Laughs in Orisa, Hog, Doomfist, Junkrat, Reaper, Mei, SOMBRA, Echo, Pharaoh, Ana, Lucio, Brigitte, Zenyatta. Not hard to counter him.
nah not lucio or especially zen lol
but yeah basically
@@GrandpaDemondefinitely those two, Lucio is great at stopping ball’s momentum and staying alive, while zen’s discord and dmg is great against ball who doesn’t hv something like defense matrix or barrier (as long as zen stays alive)
"WE GOT THE WIDOW WE CAN PLAY NOW" never heard something so true
Ball doesn’t need nerfs. It’s not hard to counter him.
Ball main here, did not think he needed buffs. He was just hard to play most of season 2 with how strong Hog and Orisa were (his two best counters in the tank role). Now I'm here fearing the over-nerfs.
The buffs are nice for WB but I still wish the ammo was 100 instead of 80.
Ball can finally get kills with his ult.
Streamers: That’s too strong he’s getting the Doomfist treatment.
Widowmaker: -_(+) *BANG*
Fun fact: sombra hack takes ball right out of ball form. If you’re having trouble with an enemy ball use sombra and completely deny him anything.
Yeah there's a lot of good ball counters. Brig or Lucio can push him away and be super annoying, Sombra hack. Junkrat's trap, and of course Mei for the slowdown and wall to screw him up. Orisa is also a good tank to bully ball.
Sombra isn't as good a ball counter as she used to be though. Hacking a ball in OW basically sentenced it to death. Doing so in OW2 means he'll be shielding and rolling off again in 1.5 seconds.
You do realize this master and gm level right
@@sorasolos5654 I wrote my comment knowing people of all skill levels will read it. Of course that means it’s useless info to some but might be helpful to others.
@@thanabobana3592 okay well your advice isn't helpful. It doesn't matter if you counter pick or not. That person still can perform well
Yesterday I had the worst game against a widow. There was a widow completely wiping our team, but they had a Doom as well, who was getting heal botted. So even after our tank was yelled at and I switched to widow, it didn't matter, because their doom would just jump the backline and the widow would completely destroy our tank. So it was just a game of Doom killing everyone and being invincible taking a shit ton of heals, knocking everyone around, not being able to do anything, and our tank just suicide diving the widow. It was the first time in forever where I just gave up with my team because we were so locked down no matter what we tried. It was just so unfun. I really wished Widow would just be deleted from the game after that.
Skill issue
Flats’ background music giving the Toy Story ride at Disneyland type vibes
They really buffed a character that can get rid of its headshot hitbox.
Wild
Yeah imagine buffing a tank that has been consistently bottom tier for these past 2 seasons, haha crazy right?
SHHHHHHHH NOT TOO LOUD
I actually saw this live while getting my twitch drops, "WE GOT A ROLLIN' RANDY OVER HERE" rofl
I did too
Having a ball go after you as widow feels like playing FNAF
Y’all wonder why no one wants to play support, with no new content other than a singular new hero, almost compete removal of cc, and pure buffs to high mobility high pressure tanks
Supports have more survivability than dps,and despite what blizzard says there is still tons of CC. Also the game is better when dive tanks are good than when hog or Orissa are meta.
They need to give the ball DBD chase music.
everyone went from saying ball is D tier ball is bad if you pick ball youre throwing. now that he has these buffs everyones is like " oh well i thought ball was decent before" yeah during pre nerfs for hog and orisa...sure....
so why was Flats so invested to play Widow against another Widow AND a Wrecking Ball again?
wow what an overpowered ball - he was so OP he switched to DVA so the game wouldn't crash 🤣
I played against Ball after these buffs and there’s practically 0 time to react to his pile drive+Ult combo as a support now. Feels like you die without even touching the ground. This patch is pretty miserable for Support in general.
stop crying, the ult was ass before the buff
I've also been enjoying Brig alot in S3!
I used to hate playing against her, so I've really just played long enough to become the villain LMAO
we used to have several ways to stun or disrupt ball, now we are limited. meaning we have less ways to keep him from constantly seeking health packs or repeatedly pounding on supports. not everyone can or wants to play Sombra, Mei, or Ana.
with his health and armor combined and the lack of CC, imo, if you can't make ball viable that's a you problem. tell em flats.
Overwatch 2: the game where thanks that are trash become god like in one patch, and supports suffer again. They're paying for the sins of goats meta because of brig
I thought I was tripping playing ball yesterday
LMAO those comms!
"The widows down! FLABDAABAADAPOPPINGRALLYFLUDABADABAT"
Now you're crying about ball being powerful? When is your crying gonna stop? You want just orisa to exist?
theyre gonna give the doomfist treatment to my boy i hate every content creator and person that screamed for him to get buffed
theyre gonna make his grapple cooldown longer or something evil rather than reverting the buffs
Flats getting ratio'd by the enemy widow was 🤌
I can’t stand widow. Don’t like playing her, don’t like playing against her, and I don’t like watching someone play her.
Brig is good and fun. The hidden Torb knockback on his shotgun is HUGE. I haven't played a good ball yet, but I'm sure I'll just do my best to avoid them.
As a support main good balls were already the bane of my existence. This is purgatory.
Ball/Sombra being good might be the perfect reason for me to stop playing the game as a Supp.
There's just some playstyles that are only fun for the person playing it.
Ball means you're playing down a peeler or facing someone you have to spend all your attention on.
Sombra means you have to play inside your team or face fighting something that has every advantage on you. On your team, you're just straight up down damage.
Ball meta is actually worse than hog. This meta is going to be absolute trash for support again.
The thing I hate about widow is that because she’s in the meta, my bronze teammates hard lock her and drop 1300 damage with 2 kills
Yeah, no. fr, I'm a support main and for me Widow is the problem, not ball
Wayamin did Cass and solider actually get buffed?
i subbed and my SR went up thanks flats!
"I hate this game" (c) - every Overwatch player
As a ball player, I’m LOVIN the 2 second slam buff!wooooo
On the one hand, Flats is getting trashed by a Widow. On the other hand, we get to watch a Widow get trashed. So, you know, it kind of evens out.
never knew u we’re so hilarious until a few weeks ago absolutely love ur content and how much you upload keep up the great stuff❤️
What is the current year, seagull and emong on support and karq and flats on dps, seems like some roles should switch haha
How do you feel about the non role queue tank changes? I'm a tank main with no interest in comp so I only play with friends in arcade. So in every game mode I play I'm just a lumbering DPS with barely any HP. Until they change it I don't think I"ll be playing Overwatch anymore. It's a shame because I really enjoy the game but it's truly unplayable for me now.
As a widow main for dps, I was fine with them lowering widow's health, cause yeah it made sense to compensate for 5v5 and her one-shot. But they also buffed sombra and gave ball huge buffs, I just can't play widow anymore 😭
Good.
Idk how it is on pc because I’m on console but 99% of the widows I come across in ranked masters elo are garbage and have at least 5k less damage than everyone else. Widow is not easy on controller whatsoever
@@marcusb553 As long as the widow is getting good picks, damage isn't necessarily gonna reflect how good she's doing. But also I was just malding cause I got Kings Row and was matched with a crazy enemy ball + dive team and widow was unplayable that game lol
I never thought he needed a buff, I though he needed a rework. He’s damn near unelimable pre and post buffs, and support mains are in ganger everywhere they go now
"Ball is OP rn" the true problem was their widow
Ball is really OP rn tho
Please give a half of season of ball meta... I have been dreaming of this
11:17 those footsteps are crazy loud
the super mario sunshine music is perfect for havana
Just a suggestion but could you get something interesting for us to look at behind your camera? Like an anime poster or different colored lights? Just anything besides the plain lamp? Also how do you even play video games with the light on?
Please don't nerf ball 😭 but yeah he's a menace now :)
Always could be which is crazy "coming from ball main"
The patch has been out for 1 day Bruh let’s wait a little and see how the meta evolves
as a ball main since ov1 i am a very happy man
I played tank yesterday and something just felt so off about the whole role
I mean that tends to be what happens when they get mega buffs like that. Still nowhere near as bad as unkillable Orisa and Rematra.
You need to play Alien isolation as support to be prepared for the Ball.
The brig carry was unreal. Also, 100% killing someone through that gap now 😂