Comparison Dillon XL650 Vs XL750 what are the differences?
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- We take a look at the differences between the Dillon Precision XL650 and XL750. The XL650 is now obsolesce being replaced by the XL750. They are not the same press you cannot upgrade your XL650 to a XL750.
The differences covered in this video are:
New priming system
Priming system swap
Shell plate indexing
Shell plate camming
2nd ram stop spring
New case retaining spring
Increased ram stroke
If there is anything you would like to see more details on let me know in the comments.
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I've used Dillon presses for over 30 years and I can tell you without a doubt they are fully capable of loading match-grade precision ammunition. The only reason I use a single-stage press is that I don't have a caliber change-over kit for that particular caliber due to the fact I don't shoot it enough to be practical. If you practice and pay attention to your technique when operating the press it will produce the same precision ammo with the same concentricity, bullet seating depth, primer seating depth, powder charge, and crimp as doing it all on a single stage with a stand alone powder drop. My Dillon press was a 550B that was stolen by some low life. I now use a 650XL and could not be more pleased with the high-quality ammunition it produces. The biggest problem people new to progressive reloading presses seem to face when operating my press is short stroking the operating handle. Nine times out of ten this is because they want to go too fast. As long as you set up the press correctly so that it operates smoothly without jerking and jumping around, and lubricate it the way Dillon recommends you shouldn't ever have any problems. This is a precision machine and should be treated as such with proper cleaning and maintenance.
Short stroking is a massive problem. Depends what you consider "match" ammunition too.
Thank You so much for putting this video up. Really shows the upgrades well.
Thanks for the feedback. Do you have the 650 currently?
@@HuntShootOffroad I have a 650 for spp and a 650 for lpp and could barely justify getting them for the amount I reload. I got them just so the amount of time I spend reloading is shortened! The ss is soooo sloooowww. Excellent video. Thank you.
I got my 750 a couple of weeks ago, I've loaded about 1000 rounds of .45 acp and the machine works absolutely flawlessly. I haven't yet had any reason to swap out the primer bar and cup, but I'm glad to see how easy it is to do when I go to small primers. Thanks for the video.
Yeah sweet, I probably wont be swapping mine around much, but we will see I guess. I'm hoping this will allow me to shoot more.
One thing I would suggest is to center the incoming primer arm in the shell plate before tightening the mounting screws just to have the most precise alignment of the arm's tip to the shell plate system. The 750 was major for me, the old 550 worked so well, and the 650 had a few issues so I waited a long time to skip the 650. The 650 was designed by a different guy, so there were a lot of new ideas tried out there. Sometimes the old way is better. :)
Excellent description! Right to the point and no waste.
Great video and showed exactly what I was looking for by way of differences. Thankyou :)
Awesome man! I aim to please!
Great review of the XL750. I saw your comments on G-Toobe's channel. Your reloading room doesn't have the "studio" look that his does but you've got better hair and better content! LOL! Thanks for a great video. I just subscribed. Thanks.
Haha thanks a heap mate. I've bought everything I own! I've got heaps of content coming after Christmas. Big plans! But anything you need to see let me know and I'll try to get it out!
Thanks, a really good tutorial of the workings of the 750, I have two 550's and have always been loath to move to the 650 because of the complicated primer system. I am going to buy a 750 in the near future, cheers and I subscribed
Excellent overview of the 750... as a 650 owner for 25 years, here's my take:
- Good on them for the roller bearing on the indexer block, shows they were watching what customers were doing to their machines... this does make a big difference.
- WTF is that cheesy-ass case retention spring on station 2? Seriously, Dillon.... best (quality) replacement option you could come up with?
- Swapping the locations of the indexer pawl & detent? Not sure of why this was done, but the indexing can't be any different since the caliber conversion kits are interchangeable between the two machines. Only thing I can see is that it moves the indexing pressure under station #5 where case ejection is occurring...
Now the elephant in the room... mixed feelings on the new priming system:
- As far as speed of changing sizes. Very simple with 650... purchase new priming system so you have both sizes. Pull two bolts, replace system, change plunger and done.
- I do like the fact that the new system does not feed another primer if the previous one was not used, however there is an aftermarket sliding cam block for the 650 where you can disengage the priming system and not index the priming disc when desired.
- Isolating the primer stack... I think this was a non-issue where they just did something different to say "Hey, we're innovating!!" I used to shoot competition, and have loaded many hundreds of thousands of rounds through my machine, and have NEVER had a primer detonation, nor have I heard of anyone else having one... sounds like a case of fixing what wasn't broken.
- Not a fan of that bent piece of wire being the action for the priming system.... I'm sure Dillon has done plenty of testing since their name is on it, along with their No B.S. warranty, but it just looks sketch.
Thanks for the feedback and taking the time for the right up! Yes the station 2 spring 😂
I actually just purchased the case feeder disconnect, I guess the problem with the primer feed disconnect is forgetting to turn it back on.
I thought they could have changed the angle of the indexing to slow it down more.
Excellent video! I have both 650 and 750, I like them both. I often prime my brass separately so it is not a big problem anyway! Thank you for the video!
Thanks mate! I like to use mine as a brass prep, just to deprime for cleaning
Great review mate! Way more information than dillion gives out. Hate the disc plate on the 650.
Yeah I could see that being a real pain
Very good videography and explanation. Very helpful for decision makers.
Thanks mate!
Good clear comparison thank
Thanks mate!
Well done! Dillon used the simple 550 primer system on the 750. Nice to see them move to bearings.
Was good to see some improvements that's for sure.
Thank you 750 is the way to go
Glad to have assisted!
This video was very helpful. Thank you for making it. 👍
No dramas!
The new priming system is almost identical to the one used on the 550 ever since it came out. I have a 550 I bought new in 1985 when I started shooting PPC, I have probably loaded over 100,000 38 specials on it. I bought a new 650 a couple of years ago, one downside was the more complicated priming system.
So much more complicated, so many rotating and twisting parts. So much room for error, so many things to come loose.
I have the dillion xl650 and it is awesome! But I do like the little upgrades especially the primer system.
How many pulls of the handle on the 650 until the first primer is ready? 750 ready on the first.
I think it's like 5 but don't quote me
@@brianday9216 I've found out since its six, but you don't have to pull the handle, you can just click the lever that rotates the disc.
the priming system isn't new, it is off the RL550
I believe I mention that.
Awesome video. Thanks for the detailed explanation. I personally dont have much trouble with the primers on the 650. It seems that the 750 uses a system similar to the one used by the Hornady AP machine. That is cool but not necessarily enough to upgrade from a 650 if one already has one. With the number of aftermarket trinkets available for the 650, making it work well is easier and cheaper than the new press. Thanks again.
Yeah no dramas, I tried to give enough detail for those wanting to know if it's worth "upgrading".
No the system is the same as the Dillon 550 which was around before the Hornady AP.
@@HuntShootOffroad Good to know. thanks again for a clear and concise demonstration.
Nice. With some one that has a 550, 650 and 750, it is nice that some people ne posted a comparison. I originally purchased the 650 then went with a 550 and fell in love! Had issues with the primary system with the 650, get three bad primers per 100.. But not with the 550. The 550 is a breath of fresh air. I have yet to use the 750, have enough 9mm at the moment.
Yeah thanks mate! I feel like I've got more time for reloading than shooting lol. I'm just really glad I understand the reloading process, setting up a progressive for the first time was an eye opener. But using it is amazing!
Great video! Thank you!
Thanks champ! Glad you enjoyed it!
On the primer magazine, does it use one tube or do you have to switch between large and small tubes? You didn't cover that.
You have to switch the large and small tubes - exactly the same. Which is why I didn't cover it because it's not different. I probably should have mentioned it though.
I'm glad I didn't by a Dillon before the 750 came out. I would have been pissed if I paid a Dillon price and received that funky priming crap you showed on the 650. BTW, you have one more step changing primer size, you need to swap the inner tube of the primer feed, real easy but they are size specific. Great video.
Yeah I would have been spewing too!
I omitted that step because it's the same on both models, I regret not showing it. Your the second person to point it out.
Nothing to do with the Dillon but your lighting looks great.
Not sure if your being sarcastic or not lol.
Hunt Shoot Offroad I’m totally serious. The lighting in you video is top notch.
Did the new shell plate system eliminate the jerky action and powder spillage? Thanks for the comparison.
I think that's something that's always going to be an issue unless there is a major revamp.I would suggest it's slightly improved
On the 750 I did not see you change the primer tube. On the 650 you have to swap the wheel, the primer seater and the long primer tube to a different diameter. How does the 750 get away with using just 1 tube for large and small primers? maybe you did change it and I missed it.
I'd have watch it again, I think from memory I was only showing the differences. Yes you swap the inner sleeve/tube between sizes.
Great Video on the XL 750, you helped me alot. Now what do I do with my Hornady AP?
Send it to me :D could sell it possibly. You can use it for brass prep maybe, that's what I would do.
Now the question is; do I upgrade to the 750 from my 650 or get the new 1100. Hmmm 🤔
That would be nice! If your upgrading your probably better off making the leap.
How well are the spent primers and carbon crud captured? 650 shoots the primers and dirt all over the press and floor and everywhere without mods.
The spent primers are ejected in the same way. But it can't be moved around on the live primer disc. I haven't loaded thousands of rounds so I couldn't really say, but I would assume it's improved.
Still only 5 stations...6 would've been nice. Yeah, the shellplates and toolheads interchange between the 650 and 750 so I understand the reasoning. But adding an extra station seems like a no brainer. Also, an integrated LED lighting system would have been a welcomed safety feature. The biggest disappointment however is not having the ability to adjust primer depth...bummer.
Yeah it definitely would be nice to adjust the primer saying depth.
The 750 is only an improved 650, I think a 6 station defeats the purpose. Most people only use 4 stations anyway.
Most people want the cost kept down so a six station would not achieve that.
Hopefully they can release a new product that suits between the 750 and 1100!
Does the Dillon 750 eliminate the plate kick that causes powder to spill out of the brass????
It has incorporated some of the after market accessories that help reduce it yes. That's what the roller is for and there is something else they did, but I've forgotten what it was, I did mention it in the video. I haven't loaded any cases with a high fill, so I don't personally know. I would suggest it's it's improved.
So inquiring minds want to know, will the new “spring stop”/roller shell plate advance part fit directly onto the 650? It looks like it would?
That's a great question, but I don't have easy access to a 650 to answer that.... The other question is can it be purchased too.
Yes.
neat that is a great Idea !
Glad you like it!
I've used 550, 650 and 1050 for over 30 years and I much prefer the disc priming system on the 650. It's smoother and far less prone to catching than the reciprocating bars on the 550 and 1050. The only mistake Dillon made with it in my opinion, is they should have just had unused primers keep cycling around instead of dropping out onto the tiny little tray.
You can buy a little tray with a hose to route them directly into the bin. Check Entirely Crimson. Or you can 3D print one or check Amazon/eBay, that will fix that issue. It's normally a problem if your swapping between large and small primers and having to change all of those parts over.
Should I upgrade from a Hornady lock and load to a 750? My pricing system is absolutely useless. I have to prime off of my press!
Hey mate, I have zero experience with the LNLAP, they cost the same money as a 750 in Australia (so no one buys them). If your having to prime off press that defeats the whole purpose of progressive.
Whilst I would love to encourage you to change, I don't think I would. I believe Hornady USA has a fantastic warranty and if you contacted them they would sort your priming system out. If they won't then yes time to upgrade.
Hunt Shoot Offroad Hornady has been terrible at helping resolve this. I have replaced every part of the priming system. I am ready to throw it in the trash.
@@dominickdelfino7552 I think you've answered the question then. Sell it and upgrade.
Get the 750. You won't regret it. (Yes, I have one).
I just bought an XL750 to replace a LNLAP. I am fed up with the near constant fiddling around to keep the press running. Hornady's customer support is only available during business hours Mon-Fri. Do they not realize that most of us have to work for a living?
Fingers crossed that the XL750 will give me better service than the LNLAP has. I'm hoping to get it set up and running next week.
How do you empty out the primer tube? My 650 I can advance it manually till the tube is empty. Or just unscrew the whole thing and dump it out. Thats the one issue I see with the 750, and no one has addressed it yet. Any feed back?
Yeah I do similar. Firstly I try to put in what I need. But of course things happen. So I just "seat the primer" and reach in and grab it off the shell plate as it exposes it's self. I'm sure you could do the exact same thing with your 650 if you know what I mean. Obviously if you have to empty out 100 primers that's a problem lol. I'm sorry if that doesn't really answer your question but I haven't had to do it yet either.
as a precision shooter the 750 is more than capable.
You wouldn't use a single stage?
@@HuntShootOffroad there are multiple top PRS, F-Class, etc. that are using progressives. John Widden, Scott Saterlee, etc. the super benchrest.....perhaps not.
@@hughtanner208 I don't have the need for precision or know anyone in the game, I find that interesting but not surprising. I feel there are a lot of things that are fine that are unnecessary.
@@HuntShootOffroad In that I have been in the game and know many who still are. they talk about round count in the number of barrels they burn out in a given year in a given caliber. It is good to see we can make great ammo in great amounts.......now just need more components.
Asking for a friend....
How many primer detonations did it take for Dillon to decide to change ?
I Don't know. I suspect people got frustrated with collecting live primers off the floor.
what accessories are compatible from the 650 to the 750? ex. case feeder etc..
Both take the exact same case feeder and bullet feeder. The auto primer magazine feed. Same handle, same shell plate, same tool head, same case retaining pins.
A lot of stuff hasn't change.
Hunt Shoot Offroad is the optional mount the same?
@@LKN4WAR the strong mount? The high mount/string mount is identical.
So, the primer stack doesn't explode on the 750 like it did on the 650?
I couldn't say, I wasn't really aware that was an issue on the 650. I think the design it would be less likely to flip a primer and therefore explode???
wonder what 750 parts would work on the 650... such as can you use the new cam/indexing system with the spring on the 650? I realize that the biggest selling point is the new priming system but it's really not worth upgrading for the price.
I think if you already have a 650 keep it.