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- "Sam, how long under normal operations would it take your people to clear that from our books?"
"What? All of it?"
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This is a preliminary meeting of a fictional investment firm during 2008 Mortgage Crisis when they realize the situation that is about to unfold with their Mortgage Securitzation business.
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I just feel bad for Ramesh not being able to talk about his VAR numbers
It was "understood"
Don't know what else you need to know
Which department does ramesh work in
MrCommenterx upstairs that’s all you need to know 😂
@@DerekWong967 He's from upstairs. Sounds important
@@Chris-is1rd Upstairs is the call center.
“will, peter, and wtf is his name…”
Such masterful delivery
It's funny because Seth really doesn't matter in this plot at all, he's only present in these big meetings because he's part of the Risk Management Department.
As such not knowing who he is makes perfect sense because he's a very small fish being thrown into a very large shark tank and he gets eaten.
At the end Sam asks the CEO whether he's going to fire Sullivan and it's like he's asking a shark if he's going to eat a fish. Luckily Sullivan "The Rocket Scientist" is still useful.
“So you’re a rocket scientist…?”
“Actually a federation science officer, but it is a reasonably logical mistake to make.”
Like someone wrote. If spock , and lex Luther and vision couldn't see this coming who can ?
😂
KAAHHHNNNN?!
lmao
@@ralphpal Well, they were almost opposed by G.I. Jane, though everyone in the company worked for Scar.
I've watched this movie a dozen times. The tiny details of papers rustling, the sound of the air conditioning...the film is a masterpiece of ambiance capture.
ooooooh kay then.
You sound like someone who accepts they will die a virgin
I love this movie to but youre just peddling bullshit at this point
You're so right. In an earlier scene, where Sam first returns to the office at Will's behest, there's a quick close-up shot of the back of Will's head, and his hand is shown ever so slightly quivering before he has to drop the bad news on Sam. Just frame after frame of cinematic excellence.
Calm down holy hell
@@jeffford2909 Who are you telling to calm down
After watching this film a second time, I picked up on some hints that I missed the first time around. When Tucci gets fired, he asks Will Emerson who did it. Will Emerson silently confirms it was Demi Moore's character and then Tucci mutters "I knew I shouldn't have come to her last year..." and then in this scene, at 3:56, Spacey's character whispers to Demi Moore's character "I warned you about this last year. We would not be in this position if..." before getting interrupted. Then when Jared is asking Demi Moore's character what to do, she says "We need more time," to which Jared replies "Are you fucking kidding me? We have talked about this..."
Put it together. Tucci got fired BECAUSE he tried to warn the firm about the market. It wasn't just a sad coincidence. That's why Demi Moore's character kept trying to get Zachary Quinto's character to say that it was his work and not Tucci's. Because Demi Moore's character didn't want to take the fall for having foreknowledge of the risks.
So Tucci knew. Moore's character knew. Jared knew. Spacey's character knew. And if you examine the behavior of Jeremy Irons' character, you realize that he knew, too. Maybe no one knew exactly when the music would stop, but the top brass at the firm ALL knew for at least a year in advance what they were doing. The money was just too good. By the time this film starts, everyone is putting on an act except the clueless junior analysts.
hahaha, pretty smart
Nice reading, man. I realized the same when watching the movie yesterday. I saw the same thing happening during my career and got the chills.
Not exactly....Demi dropped the ball. Mentioning in passing doesn't cut it. She should have presented it to management as one would explain it to a Golden Retriever. The new kid was able to make them understand it. Demi should have worked with Eric to fully grasp the impending problem so she could properly convey it to upper management who were strategists not numbers crunchers.
@joseph sanchez No, Jared doesn't get fired. He was the genius that came up with the original money-making scheme and, again, in a few hours he assesses the problem, devises and implements the scheme to dump their undesirable holdings and is again the hero. 'All' were not blind; Eric had been monitoring the situation since last year; a situation that was still evolving because of the changing VAR numbers and he was still working on it when they pulled him away from his desk to fire him. Eric was doing his job monitoring the evolving risk, but his boss, Sara, didn't have a clue and she was the Director of the Risk Management Dept.
Excellent. Thanks
This movie is people talking to each other in a boardroom, people calling each other, and people sitting down and yet, it is the most magnificent financial drama ever made.
EXACTLY
100%
100% agree. It's tense also, almost like a horror movie.
@Harold Paulle I'm not implying that at all. I'd explain but I fear it would go over your head.
It's a bit like Moneyball. Potentially boring material but done really really well.
I love that whenever someone higher up hears about Eric Dale’s phone being cutoff their reaction is just pure exasperation
I love how he instantly looks at Sarah. It's like he just knows that it's her calling card.
It's the constant as the bad news gets passed up the chain of command. A lot of info gets cut down and made succinct, and the relaying of the problem became more impersonal overtime (they stopped mentioning Eric saying "be careful" by the team the news reached Sam) but the one constant is everyone being fucking OVER it when told that they cut off Eric's phone
@@DarrenBates Pretty sure she is Dales direct superior, he works in rick management and she is head of risk management, thus the choice to fire him was almost certainly hers. The camera consistently switches to her looking uncomfortable throughout the movie when his name is brought up lol.
@@PumpkinHoard of course she fired him. she wants the money to roll and he was actually doing his job and found the dumpster fire that was ready to go off.
Well sure, they all knew the Company Blowjob took the opportunity of the mass layoff to get rid of a thorn in her paw.
Absolutely captivating to watch. The entire movie. No music, no locations. Just rooms, badly-lit, people in suits. Yet, you sense the insecurity, the fear, the panic and tense atmosphere in every scene. Masterpiece.
But bar! It was cool. Truly detective.
there's one piece of music, Chopin's prelude called "raindrops", in the scene of the empty dark office with screens flicking, for what's about the come down, very classy
I'd give prop to costume and make-up too... that gaudy golden ring and obvious fake tan the big boss has and the "rocket scientist" doesn't, and then Spacey's character is an in-between gaudy and useful. great characterization though costume and makeup for all. also great face casting, the accounting lady has a great resting bitch face bureaucrat, fits so well.
Great post
Plenty of music in this movie.
And the moral of the story is rocket scientists are underpaid.
Not on Wall Street
yes, and without wall street they'd be getting paid even less
the problem was getting these really smart guys to work an wall street. They invented systems that no one could understand, not even their line managers. Without anyone understanding it there was no monitoring of it and no easy fix.
Fuck me...
You are paid based on the money you bring in. Analysts don't bring in money, sales does.
One of the most interesting parts is that Jared (Simon Baker) immediately comes to the same conclusion that John (Jeremy Irons) will later; sell everything. It's interesting how folks are able to find proteges that are basically younger versions of themselves.
@The Last H There's a saying: Type A's hire Type A's; Type B's hire B's and C's.
March 2020...
Actually, it was Jared who said "Sell it all. Today." when asked by John what he would do.
@@phishbill Yes but that conclusion was already reached. Tuld *needed* someone else to say that.
@@kereminde You know this how? Tuld was looking for solutions...
I think Simon Baker is absolutely amazing in this scene. The pauses, the glaces, the subtle shifts in his tone, the clarity of his words when he wants to get his point across. Great actor.
Truly! The point where he suddenly raises his voice at Sam - absolutely brilliant. Simon Baker, Jeremy Irons and Paul Bettany completely carried this movie, with just their presence and nuances.
Sudden raise and immediate suppression of voice.
I feel it has also a lot to do with the character he is impersonating (Jared) who we is one of the top dogs and we undertsand that it is because he thinks faster than all others...
This is what is fascinating in this movie : lots of clever-smart, above average IQ brains but the leaders of the pack are the one thinking and deciding the fastest, understanding things people and situations from mere signals...
Probably because also combining experience + gut feelings + emotional intelligence and killer instinct...
@SOui Ung Very true and very well articulated. All the principal actors are at the top of their game and, yes, brilliant. Simon Baker should get more leading roles than he does, and why is that exactly?
@@souiung9651 very much agree. It also shows why Sam has remained in mid management as he is unable to see the big picture, when he asks "do you understand what that means" it's clear Jared has a very good grasp of the wider implications while Sam cannot see past business as usual.
“It appears we have a problem”
*sarcastically* “oh thank you for that”
Perfectly encapsulates the passive aggression between execs/managers that hate eachother
Or pretty much anyone who's spent more than a couple of months in the big firms (Goldman Sachs & co). At least in my experience. Normal people would turn into raging assholes in a matter of week.
Spot on Svresh. As someone who has been a corporate slave my whole working career, this movie is amazing at capturing a realistic work place with people that hate each other's guts.
She is one of the major reasons they are in this crisis
Also the relationship between front office and back office
I love that Jared has no hesitation. He's immediately figured out that it's a race to dump the garbage. It was interesting that in the second meeting, he doesn't bring it up until Tuld sets him up, that way everyone can see that it's the boss who is advocating the move.
That is why Jared is in charge of operations. He may not be a good trader him self but he damn sure knows how to make money and minimize loses.
@@Huyle18 I got the impression that Tuld liked him, saw something in him and mentored him and Jared took everything that Tuld told him to heart. He was basically being groomed to be the next CEO when Tuld eventually stepped down.
I couldn't agree more, and perfectly cast.
@@BixbysDad Also, during the final meeting, Tuld told Jared this: I think he first said “Remember the first day you stepped into my office? There are three ways to make a living in this business: be first; be smarter; or cheat. Now, I don't cheat. And although I like to think we have some pretty smart people in this building, it sure is a hell of a lot easier to just be first. And that’s when Jared said “Sell it all.” It wasn’t cheating. They had tons of smart people in the building, including a rocket scientist and supposedly Tuld was smarter than the rocket scientist anyway and they had already figured out the “problem”. The next step was what to do about it and they were first to dump their garbage and it worked out for their firm.
I think they were not suprised by this outcome. They knew theye were taking risk it just came earlier and more suddenly than they were expecting it.
You guys need to watch this as a six part epic miniseries!
1. Margin Call: The Banking Side
2. The Big Short: The Investors Side
3. Too Big To Fail: The Governments Side
4. Ron Paul speech on the House Floor 2003: The Nostradamus Side
5. Peter Schiff speech to Mortgage Bankers 2006 : The Cassandra Side
6. Tom Woods Meltdown Lecture Boulder Colorado 2009: The Austrian Economic Side
Preach brother
Pass on 4.
@@VisualAFMedia That might be the the most chilling of them all because Ron absolutely nails what's going on and what the inevitable fallout will be years in advance.
@@VisualAFMedia Yeah that's the best one
Nice
This is such a masterclass in acting from everyone. Paul Bettany’s whisper of “60” under his finger was a true display of panic and fear. He already knows where this conversation is headed and is utterly terrified of that outcome. Truly one of the most slept on movies in the last century!
This is some of Demi Moore's best work. Her subtle facial reactions as all this information comes out, you can see that she knows she's F'd.
@@toddgaak422 💯 underrated performance from her! Some will say she was boring but she absolutely nailed it! The entire time…she knew she was going to be thrown under the bus by both Tuld and Jared. Just subtle and reserved about everything as she should be knowing this.
Do you have a time stamp for that specific moment?
Edit: nevermind, I found it in response to the question at 3:35
I love how fast Jared makes decisions in this video. He called Tuld when he left the room, after deciding to trust Peter's numbers (given his CV) and figuring out that the assets sould be cleared from the books overnight. Knowing the CEO would also agree, he needed Tuld to get everyone onboard and execute this decision.
The rest, in the meantime, had no clue wtf he was doing.
Do you mean Jared Cohen?
@@aggiefiji2816 yeah thanks
Ar 3:45, he excuses himself... he perhaps went to call his boss
@@nv3796 yes thats what I mean
It's implied Eric Dale already went to Sarah Robertson with this problem, and he got fired because he knew it would all come crashing down.
Which means that everyone except the Seth & Peter (and maybe Will?) already knew.
So you're a rocket scientist? Great line and delivery to add humor to a stressful scene. This movie was so well-written and acted. So many tense scenes with subtle humor. There is no weak link in this movie. Every actor delivers.
Todd Beuckens Seasoned Pros!💥☄️👏✌️
Todd Beuckens Demi was the weak link in a room full of amazing actors; she was out of her league.
The scene is supposed to convey that the CRO (Demi) was the weakest link in the management chain. She fired Dale, a subordinate who had an idea of the trouble coming. It is implied that Dale was fired due to a interpersonal conflict between the CRO and Dale. In addition Sam (Spacey) warned the CRO about potential issues. The CRO also knows this is going to come down on her. As an actress I think she nailed it.
Yes, but the idea is that a CRO is considered a wet blanket and a party pooper when things are booming and they are making money hand over fist.
Not only does she realize that this is going to come down on her, the head guy (Jeremy Irons) later on tells her she is going to be the sacrificial lamb that gets thrown to the wolves
The other thing I found interesting is that the high IQ 'rocket scientist' is just a drudge looking at screens all day. But the higher up the pyramid one goes, the less people know about the day-to-day operations, and the more they show political leadership skills.
When the CEO (Jeremy Irons) asks to have the situation explained to him, he says 'talk to me like you would a five-year old', but he knows exactly how to handle the situation and manage everybody in the room, making the tough choices and coming out smelling like a rose in the end.
This movie and this scene is incredibly powerful and meaningful. You can see the clear disdain that Sam has for the big guy, probably stemming from resent towards a kid that probably used connections and a brand new degree to get where he is.
I really like Simon Bakers character. No nonsense, minimalist language and sharp as a razor. This is the kind of boss you want if you value job security and hate long meetings.
That's the guy that will make you do something you know is wrong, then chop you off at the knees when it goes sideways. Watch the whole movie
@@kingRukus39 I'm sorry, we have to let you go.
"value job security" ahh, no, I think you may have misjudged his priorities. Jared is a killer. He has zero hesitation throwing his staff under the bus. If you're hiking with him and see a bear, he'll be slicing your Achilles' tendon before you finish asking if it's coming this way
@@wasserperson I meant he is good for the company, and for employees that bring value to the company 😊
@@dsjoakim35 I mean spoiler alert dude but the film ends with everyone getting fired because they kept cutting and ignoring their risk management department
Kevin Spacey is particularly brilliant here and in the entire movie. Master of subtle voice and facial nuances.
It's a little thing, but I love his little head movements and pause before delivering "What"
So good
One of the most underrated movies I can think of. Brilliant performances from pretty much the entire cast.
Yes. Great dramatization of a difficult subject.
@Keaos0 if u have not watched it you should, especially if you market experience...it is superb.
ps......fook me!
Agree. I LOVE this movie -- and it has to be mostly for the acting. These people were awesome.
Except demi moore. Why does she have a smirk on her face in this scene? Did she take acting classes with jerry seinfeld?
@@GetMeThere1
Totally agree
except for the Indian actor who seems miscast and out of his depth among this stellar talent
The idea of asking "what time is it" twice in a row (2:10 and 2:36) is just outstanding! It really adds more pressure to the situation, more stress, makes it more intense, vivid.
not to mention the fact that he himself has a watch worth more than a fraction of my annual income on his own wrist
I'd bet $100 that was improved too.
Martin Páleník locked in.
I always thought that it showed that his character has little to no patience and if anything is mocking this character. He can’t sit still for less than a minute about a problem that is about to tear the whole world economy apart and he storms out the room when he’s confronted about VAR numbers lol. It perfectly goes to show you how childish the board of directors really are, even when it shows Peter and Seth reaction and they look like they’re thinking “this is the guy who’s managing the whole firm and makes more than me!”
@@tuwheratiaihaka2744 On the contrary. If you watch closely, Jared mentioned that he had talked about this before with Ms Robertson and that he knew all time along how critical the situation has become. That's why he said 1 and 1 no longer makes 2. Also Sam and Ms Robertson had talked about it before. That was the height of the MBS bubble. Everyone knew the huge bubble is poised to deflate, but Jared saw that it would not deflate but explode. He finally pulled the emergency brake during the meeting and decided to leave the train before it hits the wall. Very good acting in the film.
"I already have."
This scene exemplifies why Jared holds his position as "The Killer." He grasped the situation instantaneously and devised the plan eventually adopted. Tuld made the correct decision when he determined which head was needed to feed the floor. When it comes down to life or death always pick the ruthless killer, otherwise a person can take solace that they were buried as someone with ethics.
Well given how short of time he needed to make his call, his comment at the end before setting the others off to look over the data and the comment "we talked about it before" he simply was moving on a plan that he and his boss knew might come about. That call could have been as short as two words, "it happened" or similar. Remember how some people knew what was going on but what it was was not being discussed. Eric Dale likely got picked up searching numbers they didn't want reviewed.
Sam and Jared both say "Fuck.you" to each other which in most jobs would get you fired but its great here how noone takes it personal due the immense pressure they are under.
I was in those rooms in 2008. This movie captures it all. The feel, the fear, the ambition (and thwarted ambition), the greed, but also the raw intelligence and mastery of the finance craft. I love this movie.
whats amazing is America bailed out the criminals instead of hanging them all. American taxpayers were robbed to bail out a predatory corrupt system.
I'd love to hear more. I was working then, but not in those rooms. The Big Short mentioned one participant feeling like he was looking over into the abyss. Did you feel anything like that?
Apathetic Criminals in suits.
No you were not.
Well, in 2024, something is going to break, I hope it is not the US and its alliance. Fed could raise one more hike.
Simon Baker is just incredible in this movie, it's hard to believe we're watching an actor. All the little nuances, his tone, his cadence, are all so damn real
It's interesting that you said "it's hard to believe we're watching an actor"....the best definition I ever heard of 'acting' is "living truthfully under imaginary circumstances". This is the epitome if that.
Probably the best performance Simon Baker has ever done. 10/10.
Who? Anyway Heath Ledger is very good here.
@@ptbot3294 Simon Baker is the blond guy.
Good call. He's fantastic in this movie and goes toe to toe with Spacey, Irons, Bettany in scene after scene.
I dunno, I look at him and still see Patrick Jane.
That's not meant to be a knock against his acting here - it's damn fine.
I think his role as Patrick Jane (investigator) was much more complex in that drama
This movie has the crispiest dialogue of any movie or play I have ever seen or read. Every character, every plot twist is revealed or propelled forward by dialogue. And despite the hyper efficient use of language the speech feels always genuine, on point with the character and the setting. Simply masterful.
it's among the best for sure. off the top of my head, Social Network or Glengarry Glen Ross belong in this class too.
I would add Succession to the list. But this is crisper and more focused being a more defined topic.
Yes. Yes. Yes... and Yes.
i would also like to add to this list Sexy Beast. Ben Kingsley does some amazing acting in that film.
this movie isna pain in the ass for non English speaker
need rewind several times on several scenes to get their meaning LOL
I worked in the securities industry during the 1980's , including some time on Wall Street . I won't disclose the companies I worked for , but I can tell you this : the people portrayed in Margin Call existed , and the actors in the movie played their parts to perfection . What happened in the movie was an extremely accurate version of reality . A brilliant job by all !
Does everyone make at least half a mil and up?
And ți ne realistic, they knew without an rocker scientist what was going to happen
Really? Because I was a very high level banker at MadeBelieve Banking & Co and this guys are just clowns in suits
@@aerohk Yes, starting from your 6th year.
It isn't what happened. Nobody dumped the holdings in a panic. The crash in mortgage derivatives took a year, not a day.
But yes, the characters are perfect. Nothing else set in the industry feels anything like as realistic. The people, the conversations, the working relationships are just like real life.
I was a software developer working for the London-based risk managers at Bear when it blew up. (This account is not my real name). I wasn't one of these people, but I worked with them. It's a brilliant movie.
Despite perhaps being the least 'decorated' senior actor in the scene - Ramesh aside - Simon Baker really is masterful here. The way he allows only the minimum plausible beat between Peter's jargon-laden explanation of his background before countering 'so you're a rocket scientist?' gives a flawless insight into an effortlessly brilliant mind, so much so that his intellect and any related ego is totally, unconditionally secondary to the moment and job itself.
Rocket Scientist - 84K-138K
Junior Analyst 110K-240K
He isn't wrong.
Brewer - Peanuts and Beer
Money isn’t elixir it’s made out to be. As a matter of fact, it is the reason the planet is going to hell in a handbasket.
@@patsonlim528 No one understands a word that you're saying, but OK
*Glassdoor Est.
@Wypipo Trippin in the film the 'Seth character' (the analyst who doesn't really speak in the meetings) asks Jared how much he made last year, Jared doesn't tell him and then Seth mentions having made a quarter-million dollars himself. Jared mentions having been in the firm only two-years, and appears to be a bit senior to Seth. So if the jr. guy who hasn't even been with the firm two years is pulling down 250k, Jared was making atleast that, and probably a couple thousand more, say 260k. Going in to his third year at the firm. Nothing in the academic fields could come close to that. To pull down that type of scratch building rockets you'd have to work for Bruce Wayne or Lex Luthor. No state job is going to pay that. No research position is going to pay that. Nowhere near in that little amount of time. And that doesn't even factor in growth potential. Nor bonuses. And as we see at the end of the film, Jared is made an executive partner, being promoted over two of his bosses (Rhys and Spacey). So he'll be making no less than spacey, which is rumored in the film to be a million a year. So a million dollars a year in his third year out of college...
My friend's dad was an space engineer who worked for a company contracted to NASA to work on their guidance systems at a NASA center in Mississippi. He probably wasn't even making 250k a year and he'd been with that company for like 10years when we were in HS.
Damn, even Vision couldn't see it coming.
LOL, I watched this movie because the voice of JARVIS and the new Spock were in it.
You know you're fucked when you're presented with a problem and the combined forces of Spock, The Vision, The Mentalist, GI Jane, and Lex Luthor can't find a solution.
@@Yerflua Don't forget Ozymandias from Watchmen. But that's upcoming.
Took me a sec but it was hilarious when I got the joke. These guys going to need the Infinity stones if they're to get out of this shit show in one piece
@@Yerflua I want to double-like this comment
I saw this movie 4-5 times. I did not like Jared’s character once until today when watching this scene for the 100th time: Jared is the “smartest” person in that room. He might not be the best educated or have the highest IQ but within a few minutes of getting that info he already had a plan - sell it all asap. He was already checking with the team how fast, at what price, if he has the staff to sell them etc. While everyone was shellshocked by what the numbers were saying he was already in solution mode (he was fight while everybody else was freeze or fright). This scene is very telling as to how he is the boss of Sam despite Sam being 20-25 years his senior, and the next in line for the “throne”.
For crying out loud, he didn’t even try to figure out the why :))) he was just like: situation FUBAR… alright let’s get it sorted somehow. 100% action oriented. Also a bit of a sociopath :)
Add the fact that he already called the CEO to get things in motion
They did repeatedly call him a killer.
they also call him boy wonder, it's obvious to everyone he's very smart
Five minutes after handing out the copies the mailroom intern sold all his stock and grabbed as much as he could carry on his way out of the building.
Jerome Mayle looooool underrated comment
Wouldn't that be illegal? Using information that is not published to trade
First of all it 2:16 Am nobody trade with you at that hour.
markets arent open at 2:15 am
Well, the next morning at 9:30 he did ... perhaps he dumped what could be sold on the DAX and London Stock Exchange. Great comment!
Executive power play: Scene opens on Jared's fancy watch, and he repeatedly asks what time it is, rather than looking at it.
Many people don't know how to tell time unless they have a digital watch/clock.
it implies the stress he is being going through and about informing the ''matter'' to the big boss
I totally understand why . If you see those fancy watch some only have 4 number on them . 3 , 6 ,9 and 12 no number in between that why it harf to tell time.
@@danny90099 all you need are 12 indexes on a watch and you can tell the time, assuming the wearer can count to 12.
@@danny90099 nop. Thats not what the scene means. Cmon, he aint that idiot who cant even read time.
Kevin spacey @ 2:55......that look is pure genius.
The anger, disgust and condescending feeling.... all wrapped into one 3 second take. No one does it better
Kevin Spacey saying "what" was the best line in this meeting
I saw this movie a few years ago and whenever someone makes a foolish suggestion I find myself saying it the same way
I expected Samuel L. Jackson to reply.
The sound of the AC is one of the best movie soundtracks ever made.
I love how much Simon Baker is able to accomplish with so few words in his scenes. He has total understanding and command of the people in the room.
@Katallani de Albania Lol !
He conveys profound things with a single look. The way he looks at Peter after learning about his background - Valuable future asset. The way he increasingly glances at Sarah - "Ok you're done here".
Real boss
He was AMAZING in The Mentalist. Wish he got more work!
His "Oh- thank you for that. WHAT TIME IS IT?" cracks me up every time. Absolutely flawless delivery.
I've watched ALL these clips at least 10 times and the movie four times on Netflix and I STILL love it! The writing and acting is beyond amazing
Crazy thing is it is the same meeting over and over but with additional people that need it explained.
@@kenbeech4940 I've been in meetings like that. Its almost like convincing people there is a problem. It was ignored until it was WAY too late...
@@blacksheep25251 Wow, sounds like it's pretty intense working at McDonalds!
@@thert.hon.thelordnicholson7261 Oh, its terrible.
Sorry we denied your application.. Work experience requires a little more then fluffing sailors down at the pier...
1:49 As so many others have said, this movie is a masterpiece of subtle acting. I love the look Kevin gives after the CV/ Resume is mentioned. He looks like a proud dad telling another dad, "my boy knows his stuff!" And the acknowledgement that there is quite literally a rocket scientist in the room means that the numbers check out.
I thought otherwise. Kevin's character looks like a dazed deer: he doesn't know "the friction ratio, the steering outcome under reduced gravity loads." It was way above his head. But Jared, on the other hand, quickly concluded Peter was a rocket scientist. It shows you who is the boss in this meeting. It also sets up Kevin's line "but what do I know?"
“And can it really be possible that we *don’t know* where Eric Dale is?”
Such a great delivery in that line, you can really hear the barely concealed panic in his voice.
John Tuld 'advanced' his man on the matter :
"Carmelo ?"
"Yes ?"
"Get me Eric Dale here by six-thirty !"
"It's done !"
The more I see this film the more unbelievably interesting the line reads are, particularly in the conference scenes. It's like listening to 21st century Shakespeare.
"What time is it?"
"2.15."
"Fuck me. Fuck. Me. And I'm guessing by the fact that the two of you haven't said anything, that the math checks out."
"Look, we need some time to go over this, but it sounds like Peter seems like he knows what he's doing, so would appear we have problem."
"Oh. Thank you for that. What time is it."
"2.16"
"Fuck me. Fuck me."
Not everybody can afford a "Carmelo".
Notice how nervous he looks in the scene with Tuld.
The tension in that room is palpable. I also love the fact that the entire movie takes place in a 24 hour period. Slice of life if you will.
Technically it takes place over about 30 hours (from the time Eric is fired until the scene were Sam is burying his dog).
The way Spacey pops us jacket after explaining how they came up with the numbers....like he was just waiting to say I told you so. Brilliant acting
I love that part too. Glad you noticed. He is like this is your problem bud. I would enjoy that too knowing that my manager would have to deal with some bs that you would have to deal with if you were in that situation especially if they were younger than you.
I love the subtle hints: they knew this was possible, that's why they don't have to read it for long. Sam says he warned the others about it a year ago. They all know what they are looking at. They know it was risky and reckless. But short term profit was more important than risk.
2:56 - 2:59 That three-second pause followed by "Wwwhaat?" is one of the greatest line readings ever.
Yeah. Almost like Aaron Sorkin's work.
I'm so used to hearing 'hwhat' from Spacey.
And the eyes and body language saying : are you fucking kidding me ? Spacey at its best.
Yep, the body language and vacant expression sells it so hard. Its really great.
Bad guy, but a tremendous actor.
Simon Baker is awesome in this scene. These guys really did their homework on how executives act in "crisis" situations.
Apparently the director's dad was in a high position at a hedge fund. Which truly helped them use the correct lingo needed to make the entire movie accurate and easier to understand per the explanations they give.
You mean like psychopaths? Oh sorry "rationally."
Chaotic Good I mean psychopaths act rationally and without emotion . That’s why they are the best leaders
I agree man, baker is amazing in this scene
Baker is severely underutilized by Hollywood
12 years later, the aesthetics and narratives of this movie still give me chills. Eric Dale is what a functional Enterprise Risk Management actually does. I bet Lehman Brothers did layoff their most critical ERM head and let the company went down the drain instead of saving it like this movie suggested. But the real decision maker here is not Tuld, it's Jared Cohen. His frightening cool demeanor and how quick he made ruthless proposition to dump all the valueless MBS albeit the cost, make him that excellent leader you know your job would be secure when you're under him.
He decided to trust the entry-level rocket scientist Risk analyst instead of Chief Risk he slept with, he called the CEO to get everybody moving and right there at the meeting after the big Chief questioned everyone's capability, he spoke up "Sell it all". Patience, Persistence and Preparation, you can tell, this guy is serious finance person and Tuld is perhaps less mathematical but exhibited similar qualities.
When Sarah got replaced by Eric, she asked Tuld "is it me or Cohen?", obvious Tuld unblindly assessed people on their survival capacity.
I get the feelings somehow Sarah was already threatened when Eric got promoted as Risk manager, when he asked Will "was it Robertson? I knew it. That cunt".
This isn't drama, it's thriller, full of sharp twists and unnerving tensions people face during crisis.
This is not Lehman Brothers. This is Goldman viewpoint. Lehman was buying shit from these guys next morning
I love how Peter and Seth are sitting there at the end like they're listening to their parents having a fight.
The phrase "the ways that friction ratios affect steering outcomes in aeronautical use under reduced gravity loads" is perfectly symbolic of what the firm is facing. How do they manage their course during a bull market when the pressure increases?
Excellent writing!
To me fair you are only going to see reduced gravity loads in space where there is no atmosphere hence their is no friction, so the ratio is always zero and has no effect on steering outcomes. ... which may also be a useful metaphor
@@theccpisaparasite8813 that's not true. gravity weakens with distance. the effect is observable within the atmosphere. by the time you reach the edge of it (as defined by convention - obviously there is no sharp "edge", but something like the Karman line) it's already weaker by a few percent. it may not be much from human perspective, but it's quite significant for calculations. it certainly counts as "reduced gravity load".
@@vibovitold you aren't going to notice it until you are in space, you know it and I know it, quit pretending. I guarantee that the SR-71 did not even take things into considerations get real.
This dude was just high as hell when he wrought this
@@theccpisaparasite8813 yes, this is what i said. you as a human wouldn't notice of course, but if you were to calculate something like satellite orbits, you'd surely need to take this factor into account, especially since such inaccuracies accumulate over time.
it's like you certainly wouldn't notice Einsteinian time dilation, even if you were strapped to a satelite, because at such speeds (far below the speed of light) it only accounts for fractions of second.
HOWEVER, the resulting discrepancies are still significant enough that GPS systems wouldn't work properly in the long run if this factor wasn't taken into account in calculations.
"what the fuck is his name" is so well delivered haha
That’s funny I thought the same thing
If you watch the other scenes, the character (Seth) is being dragged along to higher and higher meetings where all he can really do is just sit there. You can even see that without a tie he really doesn't belong in those meetings.
Kevin Spacy's "what?" Is the best-delivered line in film history.
That's what I'm saying. The build up he did to deliver the line... just perfect
Spacey needs to be back in the business and producing more like this. You could tell that there was some improv with the "Fuck Me" and both Paul and Kevin were amused at it.
“The fuck is his name?”
“Seth”
“Thank you.”
That delivery kills me every time. He’s so pissed but still polite enough to thank Sam for the information lol
the fact that he didn't remember Seth's name should have told him that he will be fired
lmao same
How was a junior guy like him allowed to the later meeting?
@@ahmedfelhi5999 the same reason why they wanted Eric Dale back.
Till they sold there assets he new to much and could have leaked the info to the press out of spite
@@chrisby30 Dale was summoned just to sit in a random room inside the company until the end of the fire sale to guarantee his silence as you said. Same should've been done with Seth, having him attend a meeting of senior business managers plus tuld himself makes no sense to me. But that's just my opinion
I knew the actor but never saw Simon Baker's acting work before, but wow is he great here. Total immersion in the character right down his deliberate arm movements and the pauses indicating he's thinking before speaking. It's not a rush of memorized words, it's like he's thinking of them right then.
Try watching "the mentalist." He is very good. First time I saw him was in the movie "The Red Planet."
First saw him in LA Confidential, where by coincidence most of his scenes were with Kevin Spacey.
Baker was subtle and laconic. Perfectly played.
He’s a good actor. First saw him in Land of the Dead
You should see him in LA Confidential, if you haven’t seen it already.
Peter's clever. He gives credit to Eric when Sarah Robertson tries to weasel her way out of responsibility for not listening to Eric earlier when he warned her-by suggesting that Peter just came up with all this own.
I didn't get that from the scene, myself. No doubt that Peter was smart, but I didn't think he was trying to be clever by directing credit to Eric (as if he was suspecting anything suspicious on Sarah's part), he just struck me as a guy who knew is stuff but wasn't going to take credit for work he didn't do. I took that as humility on my part, but I may be wrong.
@@graytonw5238 That's how I intepretted this scene too. Peter is the smartest person in this movie, but he's the most humble and down to earth person, always willing to be curious and learn from everyone else. He never speaks unless spoken to and is very attentive. His humbleness is displayed in this scene through him giving Eric the fair credit for the work done.
In my opinion, it was just honesty and humility on his part. He's clearly not privy to all the politics of the company. Heck, he probably never even saw these people before
She was definitely trying to attack the information before really looking at it, and I think he sensed that. So he reiterated that most of the work was done by the senior risk person, all he did was fill in the blanks. Then she wanted to discredit him with his background, without knowing what it was. Oops!
This is a work of art, you realise that they are asking him about his background not because they doubt his results, but that they know they can't discredit how findings when it's someone so well educated.
The whole point of this film is that the upper management knew that this was all coming, the whole market was only being held up by the belief that their products held value, not that they actually did and this meeting was more that the party was about to end and they needed to deal with it (because if they didn't immediately, news would leak out and other people would get to sell first - hence why they paid Eric Dale a million dollars to sit in a room for the day)
I love the foreshadowing when the head guy doesn’t even remember Seth’s name. By the end Seth ends up being laid off and the guy doesn’t even bat an eye to him when he sees him in the bathroom 😂😂
yeah - it's like he doesn't even exist
I periodically watch clips of this movie regularly. It is all 100%. The dialog, the acting, even the music. One of the most under-appreciated films of all time.
Same!!!
@@alqbai0707+1
This is a razor sharp script and is 100% engaging...but real people who make these transactions don't speak this eloquently under such financial duress.
califinn so true. In real life no one ever does.
They only know the language of government bailouts.
Califinn : how do you know ? I've been around smart people, they don't get dumb just because the shit hit the fan.
@@TheNefastor Maybe not, but I'm positive that every second word from their mouths are either fuck or a variation of it accompanied by several sweatpearls and the occasional tear XD.
@@MarkusM121 Wall Street has disproportionate numbers of narcissistic and psychopathic personalities. They are cool under pressure and less prone to tears.
Also, Simon Bakers' character is indeed saying "fuck" a lot.
"I warned you about this a year ago". This was soooo authentic to the many weasels I've worked with at various companies that knowingly do wrong and then build all these plausible deniability constructs around being found out for what they did. Frustrating to watch, really felt it. Bravo to the writers and actors!
I love how he asks 'what time is it?' twice, a minute apart, with increasing agitation. He gets ahold of himself and starts thinking of a way out. So well done.
I don’t know how many times I’ve watched this, but I still find it fascinating and riveting. This, and ‘The Big Short’ are 2 of the best movies about the financial meltdown
Too Big Too Fail on HBO is very good too. Big short is awesome
“What they didn't really notice is that as they kept making money every single year, the leverage of their various institutions was increasing every single year. They thought they were making more money because of them. But really what was happening is they were making more money because their institution was becoming more levered. And really what happened was, they mistook leverage for genius. ”
- Steve Eisman
same
@@MichaelDarlingCo Leverage is great as long as you don't hold the bag and trade asap.
Wrong. "Big Short" sucks.
Simon Baker was a great choice for his character. He never looks weak. And during these scenes, that might have easily been the case. This made everything more plausible.
"never looks weak" Not exactly disagreeing, but in the senior partners meeting, when Tuld asks someone to explain the underlying problem, Baker's character has nothing to say. He doesn't know the details, and doesn't have to; he trusts his engineer. It's kind of an odd way to show strength, but that's exactly what it is. I never understood that until just now.
@@50srefugee right... For a couple of time he was worried about his job.
This movie is absolutely outstanding. What you can do with just 10 amazing actors and a camera. No special effects. No big budget. Just pure excellent acting.
Agree. It's a modern day "12 Angry Men"
The dialogue in this scene is so natural. No grand statements or theatrics, just pure urgency and tension. The way Jared answers 'yes' he understands when Sam asks 'do you?'. Just so natural, understated yet so compelling.
Back in 1991, I had the privilege to work with some very smart business people in a situation similar to this without the urgency. I was Spock (or Squanto or whatever the rocket scientist's name is here.) From a technical point of view, I was the smartest guy in the room, but from a business and political sense I was way out of my depth. I wore a mismatched tie and shirt that day because who cares what IT guys look like, but I kept getting dragged into higher and higher level meetings to present the very real issue I had discovered until my boss is walking me in to talk with the CFO (there was no CIO back then.) At that last meeting everyone was immaculately dressed and they looked at me like I was a fool, but after three minutes of explaining the problem, I saw respect in their eyes. I'll always remember the CFO's last question of me: "you discovered this. But what are the odds any of our customers would find this." I told them it would be almost impossible to detect on an individual customer statement since the issue affected a different customer each night and we had over 1000 corporate customers. Each customer would encounter the problem only once every three years, so "No" I said, "no one outside the bank will detect this." I was then dismissed. I assumed we would just leave the programs as is, but three days later we were tasked with fixing it before the end of the month. I'll always have the utmost respect with everyone I met in that 24 hour period. It's 2022 now and I still work in IT but I have never lucked into another crisis situation like that (or what's portrayed here) ever again. Once in a lifetime.
What are you now?
Just an IT consultant now, helping companies transition from older tech to the newer bleeding edge stuff. By the time a problem like this would pop up with stuff I design today I am long gone and onto the next company and project. I haven't pulled an all-nighter like what's portrayed here since probably 2015 or 16. I'm Eric Dale now. :-)
What I love MOST about this scene, and this movie, is that, while I've never worked in the actual finance industry, I've been in enough corporate meetings, low rent as they are, to recognize the egos, the personalities, the backstories, the hidden agendas...all the shit they don't want Peter and whats-his-name (poor Seth) to hear them discuss...
It doesn't matter what the action is, enough middle management types get in a room, you give them half a shitty day, they turn on each other like starving rats.
Will go down in history as one of the greatest films most people haven't even seen
First time I saw it I wasn’t so impressed, having watched it a couple of times now, I think it’s one of the best movies ever
Poor Ramesh...all he wanted to do was go over the VAR numbers. DENIED 🙅♂️
It was understood. :D
The way they filmed this intense meeting makes it feel like you're sitting at the table. Awesome job by all the actors too.
Terrific acting. I love this movie for what it means for filmmaking. Build a solid script. Have a good casting, select the right actors. Have great acting. And have a direction so smooth that you don't even feel it. Et voilà, you have a great movie. Budget? Just some bucks, but not too many.
And have multiple cameras aimed at everybody so you don't miss a thing.
Agreed. A shame it wasn't more popular, so that more people could see great acting, script and camerawork. But I'll take quality over popularity any day.
What I like is how silently impressed Jared is when hearing about Peter's doctorate which you can tell has him impressed.
Isn’t the fact that he summarized him as a “rocket scientist” after that answer impressive by itself? I would not have deduced that simple fact after what Peter said lol.
He's a smart guy, I think that's what's being conveyed through his summarization.
And to that note, they all thought they were smart before the shit hit the fan. Then, it was full blown panic mode.
@@Rasmos right on. Good point.
@2:58 The head moving sequence of Kevin Spacey before saying "what" is why he is such a great actor...
Simon Baker's character asks the time twice, while all the time he's wearing a watch...subtle, but indicative of the stress he's experiencing to not think to glance at his own wrist 6 inches away.
It's also a show of dominance. By asking the room's members to answer a very simple question, he's establishing the pecking order of the room. Plus it makes for quick snappy back and forth moments. Good stuff all around.
Dramatic effect in a nutshell.
@@PIXLEXX in this circumstance he is stressed, and too preoccupied to check. easier to ask
He fucking NAILED that role. That was amazing.
@John Don't forget, he already had.
3:44 This is when Jared figures that there are enough traders to try and pull off the fire sale and goes to call his boss (Tuld) not only to inform that there is a huge problem but that he has a solution.
missed that, awsome!
Sam and Jared's relationship is very interesting. Sam clearly sees Jared as a young upstart who skipped ahead of the line (by passing Sam), probably (as Sam believes) by "sucking up" to Tuld. But in reality, Jared skipped ahead of Sam because Sam doesn't have the killer instinct (or will to power) that Jared does (though Jared isn't sure he himself has it either, as demonstrated by scene in bathroom). Tuld understands this. And when Sam breaks down over the death of his dog, Sam realizes this as well. Magnificent corporate & psychological drama and critique of capitalism all in one.
I think they have totally different job roles. Sam is Head of Sales (the main trader) while Jared Cohen is Head of Capital Markets. Two totally different job roles and professions.
@59th Bittersteel and which is a higher position and where do the recruits for these positions come from? Are you saying that Sam could not do or does not want Jared's job?
@@kvaka009 In terms of salary it's mentioned Jared earns alot and more then Sam. However, Sam is the most important person in the room. Not in power but in getting the deal done and selling all the toxic assets. Without Sam the company would have died. But Yes Jared is more senior as Jared is senior leadership. However, from an operational output Sam is the boss.
Jared is we’re he is for making quick and maybe ruthless decisions
@@jonhughes2346 so he's usually first? Well at least he doesn't cheat.
Kevin Spacey saying "what?" Is one of the greatest acting moments I have ever seen.
Here Jared Cohen shows he is in the lead, commanding the meeting. But when tuld comes in he plays the less confident subordinate perfectly.
I can't help but appreciate these meeting dynamics
Check out the 48 laws of power by Robert Greene. A few of them pop up in this movie! Brilliant!
This is one of the best-written films I've ever seen. JC Chandor deserves to be mentioned in a historical discussion of screenplays that contain a ton of information and present it with such clarity and perfectly-shifted tones. What a writing job!
The one that always stayed with me was "That Championship Season"...from 1999
I like how Sarah(?) is immediately trying to push responsibility away from her and on to Sullivan since she knows what is going on. Luckily for Sullivan he knew how to deflect.
it's really between her and Cohen . . Sullivan is too low in the structure . . he wasn't making investment decisions
my impression on that scene is sarah is trying to push the credit of discovery to Sullivan instead of Eric dale, since Sarah is the one who decided to fire Eric dale which was a big mistake.
@@kenzacharyrodriguez2591 That's correct. The writer nailed corporate/government mentality here. CYA. Attack those who are no longer there to defend thenselves. 🤔
i don't think that's what she is trying to do. it's a 11 pm or so, and there is a report that saying your company is on the verge of an implosion, the first thing you have to know is the report credible, she seeing if peter was competent. as in clear in the scene once he gives his CV, she acknowledges there might be problem.
@@chrismyco7950 I think they are past the "credible" stage here. It's very late. All the bosses are there. Plus Tuld has already been called. I think I have it right tbh . .
The differences between this meeting and the big senior meeting is incredible. The dynamic between the characters interesting. The way that Spacey asks "Do you?" in both meetings and the replies he's getting shows who's really an Alpha.
Exactly. And also the scene after the meeting where Jeremy Irons character is eating the steak. He just rattles off the years that had financial instability. But in the boardroom he asks Peter Sullivan to explain it to him like he is child or a golden retriever. That's because he knows the others in the boardroom probably won't understand it and wants them to know why he orders the fire sale.
@@OnzeMilano Well Tuld has pretty much already decided what needs to be done before he even gets to the meeting, this is more just a matter of confirmation and to give marching orders. like you mentioned he knows that market crisis is just part of the normal cycle and it's about being first to act. The fact that the junior analyst was the one to pick up on this issue (and not any of the big wigs) demonstrated his great value to the firm, which is why Tuld promoted him.
I love how the stress subtly bleeds out into their behaviour "what time is it" '2:15' ... "what time is it" '2:16'
And the clear hierarchy that you just give him the answer. Again.
I interpreted that as "time hasn't stood still for me, must act now"
GetUpFalcon yes, Panic!
Very well written and acted.
I see it as he was mentally prepping himself that he was really about to call and wake the CEO for a meeting that early. Like reaffirming in his mind how crazy it was
In this scene, there are 4 Academy Awards, A Tony, at least one Emmy, a couple golden globes, a SAG award....lots of awards here, and this scene shows why they get them.
Jared is frazzled at first, downright panicking. You can tell by the fact that he asked for the time twice within thirty seconds or so that he was definitely feeling the pressure. However, after a few minutes of panic he regains his composure and realizes what he needs to do. His decisiveness ends up saving his job and his company.
4:35 "It's a very simple business. We talked about--" "SAM!"
The thing that must not be said even "off the record", before witnesses, not even the guy who found the burning fuse: "We talked about--"
Some of the script details here are amazing. No murder mystery or caper flick is more intricately plotted.
Every year, I watch Margin Call at least a couple of times. Every time, I would discover something new and cool. Today, it's the awesome camera work (framing and cinematography). Last year, the eye-contacts between people -- everyone is so distant/defensive. Such was the corporate world I worked in before.
LOVE this flick.
this movie sucks - why waste your life?
@@stephenlyon1358 It`s one of the best movies ever made. No effect shit. Just acting, that is pure gold. I meen Jeremy Irons Kevin Spacey and Zachary Quinto. The writing in this is first class.
@@a0402330 boring
@@stephenlyon1358 Well you think that, I think this. Were are even.
@@stephenlyon1358 Evidently, you watched it.
Great scene, also demonstrates Demi Moore's character is totally incompetent as the CRO. She fired Eric Dale who discovered the company was in deep sht. She then said some obvious bs to the COO that Sullivan appeared to know what he was doing. And finally ask the stupid question why the assets would remain on the books. She was rightfully the scapegoat to be handed to the traders and the board. Don't feel sorry for her one bit.
THANK YOU!!!!!!
I'm still surprised that they made a pretty unPC casting, making a woman the chief scapegoat ... Or was the actual CRO at this "fictitious" company a woman too?
she' s one of those people who is a great technical officer, but shouldn't be in management. She knew about this for weeks but still had no solution. She also can't play politics so she was easy pickings over Jared when John decided who to fire.
This was a failing of risk management, primarily but not solely.
As such, I think she was the logical choice.
@@theglumrant9477 you're correct. Her name was Erin Callan. She was the Lehman CFO for six months then asked to resign just as things were really going south.
An absolute masterpiece of a movie, answering the question: how do you captivate an audience with subtlety, ambience and atmosphere.
The silent moment, of characters thinking, wagering their options and simply not having an immediate answer to everything at the very same moment is right on the money and very familiar to someone who's ever been in a business meeting.
It's the only film that I treat as I treat my favourite songs. I'll watch it at least twice a month. My son's best friend is studying drama and once I showed it to him he was stuck too. I introduced it to a few of my friends that work in finance and they said it is so captivating, even more for people in the business... Great stuff...
If you only see the second meeting, youd think simon baker's character was not up to standards and lacking, but in this meeting you see him assesing the whole situation quickly , trying to checklist for possible solutions and had already called the CEO before it was suggested by spacey which seems to be his superior in ranking or in trust with the ceo. Ultimately he's suggested idea here is what was done later on. I think its implied he was next up or getting mentored by jeremy Iron's character.
The more I watch this movie or some of its scenes, the more brilliant it shows. There's so much attention to minute details of the story and the dialogues. A true gem.
Exacte same
"The money here was considerably more attractive"
I just watched this film for the first time last night, but as an Engineer who feels grossly underpaid and overworked, and have been gradually building up my trading knowledge over the last 5 years... This really resonated with me.
Maybe I should just quit the profession and do something less productive, but more lucrative.
@DaGleese read “How to day trade for a living” by Andrew Aziz is a must read!
@@Mike-mi7vn I'm on the path 👍
Start with the PhD at MIT then
@@JuanCEOs725 why? The point is that gets you nowhere, it's more lucrative NOT to do that and instead just trade
In the second meeting Jeremy Irons (Mr. Tuld) acting is superb. The silenced room and him sitting at the head of the table flipping the folder and making it sound with his fingers. Awesome use of the suble ticks to transmit tension to the scene and the boss able to display his power at the meeting.
Everybody is praising the actors here(and they are so damn good), but much of what makes this scene for me is the filming. The filming is so damn on point.
The structure of this scene is tremendous. I love how everyone has to leave as soon as the decision process is above their head. The mail guy, then Jared asks the messengers to leave, including the head of trading and the wiz who figured it out. Then Sarah and the in-house council essentially get the boot and it's Sam and Jared, and there is clearly tension because they have different views and despite Sam clearly having more experience, Jared slightly outranks him. Brilliant writing all the way through.
Don’t forget Ramesh.
@@colecanup9226 Ramesh is still pissed at Margaret Tate.
@@bobbywoods684 He’s got his reasons.
@@colecanup9226 So glad you got it.
sam's the sergeant major but jared is the officer in command basically
Every single actor and supporting actor in this movie played their role perfectly.
This film is special.
I love how she immediately tried putting him down because he was just a junior but then realized that there's no way she could say anything bad about him after he disclosed his cv lol
I feel like she was doing the opposite - she wanted to present him as this super smart analyst that figured this out without Mr Dale's help, so that her earlier decision to let him go would seem justified. She knew that if the bosses found out that Dale informed her of this a year ago and she ignored him, she is to blame for everyone having to scramble around last minute to dump their position.
It's the reason I can't stand her character, though it is superbly acted.
One of my favorite movie scenes of all time, the acting is phenomenal. Favorite line: "Sam! Uh, Will, Peter, and uh, what the f*ck is his name?" Priceless!
Seth catches so many stray bullets this entire movie
@@Konishi010 ya but as Joe Goldberg, he’s the one dishing out the carnage 🤣
Seth is a screwup in this movie. You learn early and upfront that he is just constantly worried only about himself throughout 90% of the movie and it takes him until the ride back from Brooklyn for him to realize that. Oh it's not just Wall Street types at this thing's going to affect
Also his obsession with what everybody else makes is just crazy. Finally, he doesn't realize that he's supposed to put his damn tie back on to be in these meetings with senior management and then the board of directors.
@@WalterPavlikII elaborate please, I feel like I am the Seth and there's barely any comments about Seth.
Best line
One advantage this film has over the Big Short (though I love that one too) is how that film makes you think the big banks and traders are blithering incompetents, while this scene looks more like how a meeting of intelligent, decisive professionals ought to go.
In a way, that just makes this film even more frightening, as it shows how being smart doesn't stop you making stupid mistakes, it just lets you postpone the consequences long enough for them to grow into a major disaster.
Doesn't the last scene in Big Short change that line of thought? As Carell's character reveals that the banks most certainly knew what was coming yet their greed made them shut their eyes off.
@@shibasisghosh4146 True, but after rewatching that scene in the Big Short I'd say the way that discovery is presented is another oversimplification, as it suggests a level of evil that you don't see in Margin Call.
In this film, Will gets his "fuck normal people" speech in defense of the good they do, Tuld is sincere when he says "I don't cheat", and Sam never actually presents any viable alternatives for how their company would survive, or denies that if they don't do it first someone else will, possibly in mere days' time, with the same disastrous results. Margin Call's guys are ruthless, but essentially honest, and aren't totally uncaring of the suffering they cause (even Tuld shows a flicker of guilt in his final speech to Sam, when he acknowledges "there may be more of us now then there's ever been"), so I find Margin Call more interesting and sophisticated as a look at the sort of people who can cause this mess without being blundering morons or moustache-twirling villains.
This isn't a criticism of the Big Short, as its focus and goals were completely different and it succeeded in those goals very well, just an observation that a side-effect of the tone and focus prevented it from having the nuance of Margin Call.
Yup the banks in the big short are still terrifying but they are portrayed as cartoonist buffoons
i agree. "The Big Short" generally chooses a bit friendlier interpretation. the banks played with fire, but for the most part they didn't realize it was fire. they're shown as genuinely surprised. the company in "Margin Call" knew all along it was fire - they just gambled that they wouldn't get burnt.
also in "The Big Short" the lower-level bankers, traders, are pretty much clueless about what's going on.
in "Margin Call" even lower level employees kind of are in on it, or are at least theoretically capable of figuring this out.
however, i don't think one of these perspectives has some inherent advantage over the other. these things aren't black and white - it's not "evil people" vs. "evil system" like there's nothing in between.
"it shows how being smart doesn't stop you making stupid mistakes"
i think the main takeaway is groupthink, when a group of people collectively acts less smart than the group members individually. it's a known effect in organizations. diffusion of responsibility.
They did not make mistakes they did not care. At least not the biggest players.
Kevin Spacey might be a horrific human being in his private life, but my god does he have world class gravitas and charisma.
Turns out that isn't true. At least according to recent courts verdicts on two seperate continents.
I love the way this movie made clear that the higher ups ALWAYS know what’s going on. They hire people that understand to NEVER to let their boss get surprised.