W123 Oil Change with 3 VERY important tips!
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- Опубликовано: 4 июл 2024
- I need to change the oil in my W123, And there are a few thing you have probably missed.
#1 is that there is a VAST difference in the quality of various oil filters, get a quality one with the bypass media.
#2 is you need to change the o-rings on the oil filter housing stalk.
#3 is don't torque the drain plug to 40Nm even though that is the spec in the service manual, you will most likely either strip the oil pan, or your drain plug.
Well, that's all the exciting parts I suppose.
0:00 Introduction
0:30 What you need
1:17 Wix filter vs Mann filter
3:07 Oil cap O-Rings
3:47 Remove drain plug
4:32 Filter cap removal
5:08 O-rings on filter stalk
5:35 Chipping O-rings off & replacing
7:50 Change filter
10:48 Reinstall drain plug
11:28 Spec in manual is 40N⋅m. Do not use that spec.
12:30 Proper torque spec is Gutentight.
13:24 Oil capacity spec is 8L
14:00 7.5L added
14:23 Start engine, check oil level afterward
14:50 8L is spot on for capacity.
Here are a few things you might want for the maintenance on your OM617:
➡Oil filter (Mann): amzn.to/3B4FB4G
➡Oil filter (Mahle): amzn.to/3nIX8MW
➡Oil filter stalk o-rings: amzn.to/3HTovKZ
➡Viton filter stalk o-rings (higher temp rating): amzn.to/460NwOD
➡Oil (Buy locally, likely far better prices at your local autoparts place): amzn.to/3jRrC7t ➡(Synthetic option: amzn.to/43fwWJ8)
➡Fuel filter (Spin on): amzn.to/3M7fFMc
➡Fuel filter (In-line): amzn.to/42kjaog
➡Air filter: amzn.to/3HQtM6f
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Here are a few things you might want for the maintenance on your OM617:
Oil filter (Mann): amzn.to/3B4FB4G
Oil filter (Mahle): amzn.to/3nIX8MW
Oil filter stalk o-rings: amzn.to/3HTovKZ
Oil (Buy locally, likely far better prices at your local autoparts place): amzn.to/3jRrC7t (Synthetic option: amzn.to/43fwWJ8)
Fuel filter (Spin on): amzn.to/3M7fFMc
Fuel filter (In-line): amzn.to/42kjaog
Air filter: amzn.to/3HQtM6f
Links on my channel are likely affiliate links, which earn me a small commission from your purchases at no additional cost to you!
The OE Mann design is also a safety feature to ensure that if the filter is clogged up/neglected the system will keep optimal flow at the cost of cleanliness. There is a pressure bypass valve inside the housing that will open direct to the turbo(to try to save it) if the dirty side of the filter is restricted to the point that it has a differential of 100psi vs the clean side of the filter. The pressures at various stages in the 617's oil system run anywhere from 4.5psi to 100psi. People mistakenly think that in modern times they're smarter than the MB engineers of the 80's. This happens with the guys swapping OM617's into their Toyotas. They have a great experience with the engine right up until the point where they decide to remove the entire OE filter housing and plumb in a spin-on oil filter mount. It eventually destroys the engine. There are stories online of people on their third motor finally going back to the stock oil filter system. A big old spin-on Fram filter cannot deal with the flow rates and pressure differences and it basically starves the motor of oil/pressure. The most worthy mod you can do to the oil system is tap the housing lid or other location for a (low)oil pressure sensor/switch to light an idiot light on the dash. When this system loses pressure you don't have very long before major damage, usually the turbo seizes first. If a noise causes you to look down at your oil pressure gauge it's too late. These cars need a light.
Thanks I just bought one of these cars 3 months ago absolute pleasure to drive
One of the smoothest, most comfortable cars ever made. I love long trips in mine, they just cruise along so nice.
Nice info on the oil filters.👍
Thanks! The extra media on the mann and mahle filters should really keep the oil clean. I'm a huge wix fan but not for my Mercedes anymore.
Nice information. Like you, I never knew about these O rings. I have owned several W123s and done many oil changes. I will order some of these for future uses. Thanks for the video.
They're probably hard as a rock on 90% of the 617s out there!
Thank you for this outstanding video. I ordered using the links to the Mann filter and the packet of rubber rings. And while I was at it, I purchased a new oil pan and gasket. I would be lost without you my friend. Alex in Toledo
You are very welcome Alex! I really appreciate knowing my videos are helping folks out, I certainly love driving my 300D, and sharing all the little tricks and tips I learn along the way is fun too.
I should probably think about doing an oil pan gasket on my car too sometime! Be careful, one bracket I think is on the turbo side of the engine has nuts on the top of the pan bolts, don't snap them off like I did on my other car...
My last man filter came with the small O rings. The filter housing on mine the studs pulled out. When I got mine one stud was missing and replaced with a bolt. The second one pulled out and washed the engine in oil. I was able to catch it before it ran out. Thankfully I did not loose an engine.
Oh man, you really dodged a bullet there! I bet the studs had been overtightened or something, I haven't seen one back out yet, but I probably will now that I've said that.
I bought the mann filters 6 at a time I believe, there was a deal on a case of them on rockauto or somewhere and I got one, I think I'm down to one or two left now. maybe they have started including the small orings now. That would be pretty cool!
@@trythistv i am baking a jeep engine swap in my head using a Jeep ZJ and XJ manual trans using an OM617, one of the things I want to get rid of is the filter and it's housing. I will use or make an adapter to use a remote mounted cartridge filter. Thinking of using a CAT style filter. The OEM filter was good for it's time however it makes a huge mess and the housing always leaks.
But in general your videos are great keep it up
Crush washer likely made to crush around 40 newton meters. Are you positive you stripped it and not the crush washer giving in at the torque spec as it was designed?
It snapped the drain plug clean in half. I've heard a number of folks on Reddit, peach parts and other forums recently that have had issues with drain pans stripping out when torqued to 40nm, and replacing the pan is a bit of a pain.
remember to blow out the stem as it has a tiny hole just under the top cap ;)
Oh excellent point! I totally forgot to mention that!
Great video. Have you made any changes to your routine since posting this?
Not a lot, I've been more observant mostly, looking for any leaks or issues, but my regular maintenance is pretty standard.
Hey I did an oil change and forgot the little o rings for the oil filter em I screwed
I never changed them until I made this video because it was a eureka moment for me.
You can either pop the lid back off and change them out, or wait until your next oil change.
Nice. Mann vs Wix. Excellent as was the tip on the small O rings. 85 300CD here with about 170K. Have you done a diesel purge on this engine? Seems a bit loud to me with one persistent tap. First thing I did when I got mine and its significantly quieter now. I may just be FOS.
I have done a diesel purge, as well as new injector nozzles, it has always had a more pronounced tap but no clear cause. I need to roll in a new timing chain soon, Its had an offset key since I got it. I'm hoping a new chain will help it out!
What are the measurements of the O-rings?
6mm ID, 10mm OD, 2mm CS:
Oil filter stalk o-rings: amzn.to/3HTovKZ
boa tarde amigo. voce usaria o da marca Fram ch5412 ???
Olá, eu traduzi isso, espero que seja preciso o suficiente.
O Fram ch5412 é o mesmo arranjo do filtro wix mostrado no vídeo, não possui a mídia do filtro bypass, não possui o benefício da filtragem extra para manter o óleo mais limpo e, por sua vez, fazer o motor durar mais. Eu pessoalmente não usaria no meu carro, tentaria localizar o Mann, Mahle ou outra marca que tenha a mídia bypass. É muito fácil dizer quais são assim. Se todo o filtro parece basicamente o mesmo, não é um filtro bypass, se houver 2 tipos distintos de mídia de filtro, como pode ser visto no filtro Mann no vídeo, então é um filtro bypass e protegerá melhor o seu motor!
English in case that doesn't come through clear:
Hello, I've translated this, hopefully it is accurate enough.
The Fram ch5412 is the same arrangement as the wix filter shown in the video, it does not have the bypass filter media so it does not have that benefit of extra filtration to keep your oil cleaner and in turn make your motor last longer. I personally would not use it in my car, I would try to locate the Mann, Mahle or another brand that has the bypass media. It's pretty easy to tell which ones are that way. If the whole filter looks basically the same it is not a bypass filter, if there is 2 distinct types of filter media as can be seen on the Mann filter in the video then it is a bypass filter and will protect your engine better!
What causes the w123 to slow down when climbing?
I would think a lack of power which could be any number of things like clogged filters, worn components, or poor tuning for the engine or transmission.
@@trythistv I will check it out.Thank you very much of course.👍
I wonder if one should use hi-temp o-rings for this?
Nitrile should be ok, the thermostat for the oil cooler should keep the oil around 200f, and the nitrile o rings are rated safe to 250f, but Viton o rings could be used if there are concerns about temperature: amzn.to/460NwOD
@@trythistv We go through a lot of o-rings at my work, have found that the quality has really nose dived in recent years, for some applications we use the high temp (I thought they were Teflon? but not sure) simply because they hold up better even at lower than the rated temperature. For this application I would imagine simply replacing them every filter change would be adequate.
@@hoggravyandchitlins you know, I've noticed that I'm replacing more and more o rings recently, they don't seem to last like they used to. I bet that's what is going on. I feel like Teflon would be more of a split ring or scarf cut seal it might be called, Teflon is a lot harder. Viton is rated much higher temps, I will keep a close eye on these and if they show signs of deteriorating at my next oil change, I will swap to Viton and see how they last. OEM was supposedly the same EPDM/ buna-n/ nitrile that I used in the video, but if the quality isn't the same then it may be better to upgrade to a tougher material.
e esta pancada de valvula ???
Não tenho certeza do que você está perguntando, ou talvez o Google não esteja pegando a tradução corretamente?
I'm not sure what you're asking, or perhaps google isn't picking up the translation correctly?
knocking piston skirt or valves
Video spoiler wix was bought ny mann s while ago.
I still believe the bypass media difference is still a thing even with mann-hummell owning wix. I typically love wix filters but not on my om617 engine, the mann branded filters have the bypass media for better filtration. Several other brands also do, but not wix sadly last I checked.
It's not as much about the ownership as it is the design.
You forgot to remove oil cap while draining the oil
Oh good point, that would let it drain faster. Didn't even think to mention it!