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Look at how dysfunctional all western countries are. So who wants to be like them. Putin has an annual question session of about 4 hours where citizens, and press, even foreign press asks questions. You don't see that in the west.
@@jerrymctwisp6244 Imagine thinking 700 million+ people from all over the world are wrong because they debate too much. Guess you're one of those people who think changing his own opinion in the face of facts is weakness.
The elephant in the room being ignored time and time again....there is no debate because the opposition keeps getting thrown out of upper floor windows ;)
Putin doesn't want to debate with any independent Russian politicians because then the people could be offered other political alternatives and solutions, not just one option. If someone is brave enough to challenge Putin, something unpleasant may happen to him like accusations about corruption that put him in jail or he will accidently fall out of open window. There must be something wrong in old Soviet buildings when so many accidents keep on happening close to open windows.
Brainwashing? I don't think so. YOu only hear what they say to someone not known to them. You have no idea what they say at kitchen table, or during birthday party. And above all you won't never know what they think. They deliver answers and go home happy that they outsmarted the system once more. Personal opinion is not something you share with strangers in Russia. Except you are suicidal.
Ah yes Victoria, you have much more freedom to speak out in Russia. I'm sure all the people that got arrested for holding blank signs agree with you as well.
@@purpplekushh No big deal. Everytime I think of the Glory and Wisdom of our magnificent PM, all my implanted body chips are buzzing. Such a nice feeling. It makes me love my Glorious and Wise PM even more. If possible.
Look at how dysfunctional all western countries are. So who wants to be like them. Putin has an annual question session of about 4 hours where citizens, and press, even foreign press asks questions. You don't see that in the west.
- agree, and as that one candidate is loved and cherished by 90% of the Russians, there really isn't any need or desire for debates or general elections.
there is no need to have debates. Every worth candidates cannot speak at these debates. Because they are imprisoned, in grave or in another country as an political refugee.
Its because debate would blow away Putin's image of being untouchable and above normal politics. He'd have to argue his policies and justify them. Just like every other candidate. His ego couldn't handle it.
'Putin is calm and doesn’t yell at others …' Putin is very efficiënt in managing his image, instead of debate he surprises his critics with prison time in Siberia, poisoned tea or falling off a balcony or from a highrise hotel window. Oh, I almost forgot to mention Prigozhin’s planecrash; Putin apparently decided that spectacular critics "deserve" spectacular measures!
'.. Boris Nemtsov, a prominent Russian opposition leader and critic of President Vladimir Putin. He was shot and killed on February 27, 2015, while walking on the Bolshoy Moskvoretsky Bridge near the Kremlin in Moscow. Nemtsov was a former deputy prime minister under Boris Yeltsin and had become a vocal critic of corruption, the Russian government's policies, and its role in the Ukraine conflict.' 'The Russian poisoned with polonium in London was Alexander Litvinenko, a former FSB (Federal Security Service) officer and vocal critic of the Russian government. He died on November 23, 2006, after being exposed to radioactive polonium-210, a rare and highly toxic substance. Litvinenko fell ill after meeting with two Russians, Andrei Lugovoi and Dmitry Kovtun, at a London hotel, where he drank tea that had been laced with the poison.' 'The journalist killed outside her apartment in Russia was Anna Politkovskaya, a prominent investigative journalist, human rights activist, and vocal critic of the Russian government, particularly regarding its actions in Chechnya. She was shot dead on October 7, 2006, in the elevator of her apartment building in Moscow.' Just some of the names we know about ... no need for yelling at all.
07:25 watching this from France is completely surreal. What does Victoria think happens to protesters in Russia? And why do so many Russians hesitate to speak their mind on camera if they're against the government? That wouldn't happen in Western countries.
I concur, this is BS over 9000. Maybe she's talking about "les gilets jaunes", but in reality, some were peaceful and other were very violent (It's very easy to find the videos: Fenwick attack against a politic ; assaut against a casern...)
At first she talked about street debate not allowed then about repressed rallies 🤔😏 she surely don't know that rallies in France need an administrative declaration for security reasons before being allowed: if not allowed then the rally must be canceled and if the unauthorized rally have began or going badly then it must be stopped 🤨
@@freeDvn12 The problem is in FR too many groups under cover of a demonstration, are making chaos. Some for looting, some for ideology reasons, aggressive protestors (destroying private goods or attacking the police) need to be arrested and often if it ends in a fight against the police (not normal even in a democracy) However, there are plenty of demonstrations that are done in a calm way - of course when a FULL country is not happy about something, you can be sure that among the THOUSANDS of rallies, one or more will have some aggressive son of B*** that will give the impression FRANCE is on fire (and media of course love that). it s not like that all the time, BUT I have to agree that is not normal that such demonstrations have to finish in violence (a bit too often in FR). And it does not matter 'the good reasons' for some extremists (left or right) to do so. And I agree with you all, in RU they cannot even rally at all or they will get in prison or prosecuted - the only rally they can do it s for supporting Putin and blaming the West ... at least in FR we behave and treat equally everyone: we blame everyone (especially the french politics) =D
@freeDvn12 Not exactly true though. In Russia, protests must be approved ahead of time, and they usually don't get approved if they don't go in the government's direction. In France on the other hand (and I guess in many democratic countries), protests need to be declared, not approved - the distinction may sound subtle but it's very important. The Russian system is deny-by-default, the French system is approve-by-default - and of course French authorities can ban a rally if there's a legitimate fear of violence, as you said, but it's important to point out that only a small minority of protests get banned and that a great number of anti-government protests do happen.
The only one able to see the situation and say the truth was the old lady, Nina, a great girl! When I first heard the senior lecturer, Victoria, I thought she was ironic in saying, "In a more developed country, we'd be arrested". But she wasn't; seeing how propaganda can wash the brain is frustrating.
Seems like 80 years old Nina collected a lot of knowledge and wisdom in her life. And she was able to talk about the issues without giving them a name.
If half of the population of Russia says they don't know anything about politics and the other half don't dare to say anything. Then there is no chance to implement a successful democracy into Russia, no chance at all. That is the basic problem of Russia and I am afraid it will take forever to achieve democracy.
@@maestro6458 you a dope,. Starting with the beginning of the alphabet , Australia perfect democracy with free elections and freedom of speech and yes.., it's a major country you fool. I could go on to the letter B but what's the point comrade!
@@instantparty8856 Australia: Censorship, donor influence on political parties, leaders putting their children into parliament... A successfull democracy)))
@@maestro6458 Yes, you are right there is no perfect democracy anywhere. But in the west you have at least the possibility to speak up and vote for different parties and so on. And it is very important that everyone contributes and takes responsibility for an open society. If not there will be something much worse. And in the worst case end up to be like Russia or China.
@@deniskhomenko819 Yes but in the US people don't pretend that it's normal. The incoming president is quite clear that he wants to be a dictator, & his supporters say jolly good. No one claims that he got 98% of the vote.
Compared to where? UK where gangs raped thousands of young girls/ kids in most horrific way and police and politicians hid it not to offend perpetrators? Or US where 3 living presidnets avoided women, either showing their private parts to women or raping them? Or that they threaten to take control of 3 countries and start wars with countries they don’t even border for no reason. Or other places where gov is conducting genocide. Or a country that says it will shoot at asylum seekers. So depending where are you from, it might not be normal in your country.
@@olivka7560 But all this is out in the open, even if it's taken a while. And (as far as we know!) we're free to discuss it - nothing will happen to us for airing our views. We don't have to self-police for fear of being disappeared. But I get the impression from Daniil & Maxim's videos that this is not the case in Russia, & that almost every Russian goes along with it.
7:24 Haha she is funny, reminds me of a joke By Ronald Reagan. An american and a soviet was having an argument, the american pointed out he had the freedom of speech as he could walk up to his president and tell him "Mr. presiden I dont think you are doing a very good job!" The soviet guy replied "I can do that!". The american in disbelief "Really???" The soviet nodded "Any day of the week, I can kick the door in to the Kremlin walk right up to the General Secretary, and say I dont think the american president are doing a very good job!".
It is a translation. To rule means to manage. But in English we don’t say a president is a manager but a leader. In Russian and many languages there is no differention between these words manager, ruler, leader. Whereas in English you cannot say the ruler of a company. It’s same in many languages. Rule means to manage , to lead, to execute power.
@@olivka7560 Thank-you. At the risk of sounding a little pedantic, where I am we refer to a President/Prime minister as an elected head of Government, but he remains one of many elected servants of the people. When I hear a Russian say 'ruler', in my mind at least it has connotations of dominance, an all-powerful figure that rules over Russia and its people.
Yes Daniella you are right, debates is NOT for the Tsar, it is none that can speak free so WHOM want to go to jail to even try, those who have tried ends up falling from 10-15 stores buildings or get poisoned or, in the best case, imprisoned for years and years. That little man is full of fear and is suffering from PERCECUTION MANIA.
@@knisterkultur476Well, it makes sense to compare the freedom of speech in the US vs Russia. But there's no freedom of speech in Europe, stop being delusional.
Hey 1420. I would like to see Russians react to Presidential debate between Alexander Stubb and Pekka Haavisto in the Finnish elections 2024. I think it stands as a testament against polarizing political debate and showcases how politics should look and how problems are being discussed. A stark contrast to the circus between Biden and Trump. Br from Finland.
Is there a video of it with English subtitles somewhere ? I would like to see it, I'm from Czechia this year we have really important parlamentery elections and the level of political discourse has been falling a lot, the culture war has completely controlled most of our media-illiterate population.
For years, coming from someone who was born in USSR, it was always clear to me that Russians are just Americans of the east... they are just as stupid, just as excentric and narcissistic, with a superiority complex as the Americans. That's why the US is also their first and foremost focus. Even when they talk about EU, they tend to mash them up all together as a big pile of "EU countries", not even realizing all the things which separate us (i live in EU) and that we also sometimes don't agree with each other. That's why we have debates to hear each other out, instead of going the US and Russian way of just spewing "He's/they're the bad guy(s), I'm/We're the good guy(s)!!" ... It's so crazy how resistent to criticism they both are and we in the EU have to get much more interconnected with each other and much less dependent on the crazies on the far west, just like much less dependant on the far east ... Thank you Finland for being one of the prime examples of how a modern society should function with its politics and happiness of its people.
It seems very difficult , at this stage, for Russians, to understand what democtacy is. To interiorize democracy , people mentalities must change, it is a slow process, like we did in Europe and in the West countries in general. Therefore, I don`t think that at present Russians are prepared to accept debates with rulers, for they just don`t understand why, what for ? For Russians, at this stage of their mentality, a ruler is a ruler, for life, full stop, people has nothing to discuss rulers` decisions.
It truly has got to that stage; I have watched this channel from the start of war, amongst others, and it has been pretty much the same rhetoric "I don't get into politics" or simply repeating propaganda ... Plenty of butter and lightly salted popcorn is good for 1420 vids ...
Putin storms the debate room and yells: "One of you is a foreign agent and will be executed". Someone ask Putin "Who is it?". Putin answers "I haven't decided yet"
We have our flaws here as every country does. It is important for citizens of any nation to be able to criticize their own government and inspire positive change.
What's the point in having debates or even elections when the result is previously decided. What's the point of entering a debate when your life could be in danger depending on what you say. What's the point in having a debate when your country has never been free. What's the point in having a debate when the people aren't listening. What's the point in having a debate when the majority of people are already totally brainwashed. Notice none of the questions above were in doubt by the questioner.
He has had 64-80% support. It fluctuates of course, was lower in Covid or during worlds financial crises. He is a very popular leader yes. Probably similiar to Regran in US but he accomplished more than Regean in his first year and he was younger when he took power. Merkel used to be popular and if she did not make mistakes she would have been in power for many decades to come most likely.
@@zlatni_orao The longer i live, the more i notice democracy isnt working well because of the populus but because leaders are not long in office/change regularly enough so they cant get too corrupt. Also they represent the entire country not just one type of person with one type of preferences.
This has been increasingly true, but in the US at least it is also by design. The very richest have been working for decades to essentially take over the government. With the passage of Citizens United, it gave them unlimited ability to influence government. They have also been hard at work undermining our public education system, making it increasingly difficult for teachers to do their jobs and nearly impossible for public school students to get a good education. The rich, meanwhile, go to very good, very expensive private schools. Education is a commodity like everything else in a capitalist society.
@@Hangman11 As Winston Churchill said, democracy is a terrible system except when compared to every other system. Undermining public education certainly makes it less effective, but dictatorship almost never works out well for the people. Oligarchy, possibly, even less so.
@@Hangman11 They also cant get shit done when they dont sit long enough in the office, the Chinese are at the advantage on this because their Government has all the time it needs to plan and execute, meanwhile our politicians are killing each other every 4 years for the seat which they will leave very soon, so it leaves no space for anything remarkable to be done
‘…in a more developed country we’d be arrested..’ so development is a backward step in human rights? That must mean the poorest, or ‘least developed’ countries are the best to live in? For a teacher she makes zero sense.
Glad that the older generation is aware - sad about some young people having a false impression of the freedom to debate and protest in Western countries. Of course, if protests turn violent there will be intervention.
Amazing to watch. Completely distorted world view. Wonder if one day I find myself equally brainwashed since the methods seem to work very effectively! Staying non biased becomes harder and harder!
@@danascully6670 Do you think Europeans get arrested for holding up a blank piece of paper? If a European calls their president an idiot, is that person going to jail?
@maksimsku3544 все это активно обсуждалось в российских СМИ, но вы об этом не знаете потому что не живёте в России, и не знаете, что тут у нас происходит.
Ну да, где кандидатов подбирают заранее глобалисты, вроде фон дер Ляйн. Кого не выбери, всё одно и тоже. Выборы в Румынии показали, "честность" и супер демократию ...
Depressing that the only person who sees what a sham it is is the old lady. And we get told all the time that it is the babushkas etc who are stuck in the old ways. The stupidity of youth has never been more evident!
Ai russi piace avere un padrone indiscusso, non gli piace che qualcuno metta in dubbio il loro re . Un po li capisco non è che in democrazia ci sia tutto sto spazio di manovra alla fine
la democrazia non è perfezione, fa grandi errori ma contiene in se i meccanismi per correggersi. La democrazia è fatica. Abbassare la testa e accettare di essere "esseri inferiori". è meno faticoso. Intendevi questo?
It's the difference in mentality of wanting to be told what to think, versus wanting to be able to think for oneself. I might not objectively have that much more power over my government in a democracy, but I don't have to go on camera and say "Well, you know, the Tories just want what is best for us, who am I to question them"
@@rorychivers8769 I agree. The point of my comment was to express surprise at how Russia and Russians operate this way. They simply prefer this type of government, and you can see it from the election results, which, although they may be full of fraud, Putin still enjoys enormous support
@@olga9219 Boris Nemtsov and Alexei Anatolievich Navalny, but you can also consider Alexander Litvinenko, Sergei Magnitsky, Natalya Estemirova, Anna Politkovskaya. I am sure I forgot many others
этот отработанных цру материал, зачистили свои же, зачем кормить хромую утку? это ждет всех, кто связался с Ми 6 и цру, Зеленского тоже. Методы такие у "партнёров" замочить своих ненужных агентов, и орать на весь мир..ЭТО ПУТИИИИИИИИН
@@maestro6458 Самое непосредственное. И мы видим как отсутствие дебатов влияет на россиян. Они четверть века не видят другого кандидата. И никогда его не увидят, потому что у других нет никакой возможности публично критиковать программу путина и защитить свою программу. А на последних выборах он вообще обнаглел и шел на выборы без программы. По сути это как прения в суде, которые формируют окончательный вердикт. А в РФ просто затыкают рты другой стороне и дают слово исключительно путинской. Ну и зачем в таком случае избирательные права, если нет выбора.
@ Какое отношение речи и клоунада в телевизионных шоу влияет на смену власти? Во всем мире реальная власть десятилетиями передается своим детям и приближенным но для народа показывают петрушек на дебатах, это разве демократия?
@@maestro6458 В России - да. В какой нибудь Северной Корее да. Власть передается своим приближенным или детям. Но как приближен был например Трамп к Байдену, или Шольц к Меркель?
I've spoken with, so called dissidents who state they are then give reasonable and calm reasons why the are so. And then you have the temerity to criticize Tsar Putrid or Komard Lavatoryov and they come over all Russki Mir and defensive and protective - now so strange as folk as they might say in Yorkshire or maybe even Yakutsk.
Если оппозицию систематически изничтожать то конечно покажеться что нет «достойных преемников», но стоит только убрать просроченную тухлятину из Кремля и глядишь как сразу появятся сотни новых лиц на политической эстраде.
Thank you. In my eyes, you may be the bravest person in Russia today. Asking real questions and letting real people answer in their own words. It is clear that they do not answer with the first answer. Every one of them stops, thinks, and you can watch them "construct" the answers in the least negative way possible for the regime. The US went thru a period of 4 years being censored and punished for saying "wrong think" things. I called it "Russia lite". It was so antithetical to the American psyche' that we could not do it. For you to even ask, much less post, your questions is a courage that most Americans do not have. I'm old, so don't get me started on "today's youth".
There's no need for debate because if I say that Putin should be debating or our system is broken I will not doubt fall out of a window tomorrow ...( That's a summary of the majority interviewed here). Only Nina 80 gets it!
To me it seems like these people are not saying these things because they think them. They just know they're supposed to say it. On the inside they are confused.
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Why do you always put the ignorant in front of the camera? Russian authorities should take care of you!
You are the enemy
Keep deleting my comments. COWARD
«Why no debates?»
«Wow, such a provocative question».
The Russian dictatorship summarised.
Must be exhausting to be going round getting provoked by anything at all, all the time
@@harryw2903Must be exhausting justifying the boot on your neck all the time.
The westoid ignorance summarised.
Look at how dysfunctional all western countries are. So who wants to be like them. Putin has an annual question session of about 4 hours where citizens, and press, even foreign press asks questions. You don't see that in the west.
@@jerrymctwisp6244 Imagine thinking 700 million+ people from all over the world are wrong because they debate too much. Guess you're one of those people who think changing his own opinion in the face of facts is weakness.
The elephant in the room being ignored time and time again....there is no debate because the opposition keeps getting thrown out of upper floor windows ;)
The elephant in the room was also thrown out of the window.
Putin doesn't want to debate with any independent Russian politicians because then the people could be offered other political alternatives and solutions, not just one option. If someone is brave enough to challenge Putin, something unpleasant may happen to him like accusations about corruption that put him in jail or he will accidently fall out of open window. There must be something wrong in old Soviet buildings when so many accidents keep on happening close to open windows.
Opposition? What opposition? Nobody alive opposes me!
Opposition aren't thrown out windows, they just have poor balance
There is no alternative but Him @@lucone2937
The level of brain washing is terrifyingly amazing 😮😢
Yes and now it’s growing here in the USA.
It could even be categorized as brainrot.
@@robfalgiano Russia first brain washed their own people, and now they are brain washing you.
@@robfalgiano Yes, and that's really unsettling.
Brainwashing? I don't think so. YOu only hear what they say to someone not known to them. You have no idea what they say at kitchen table, or during birthday party. And above all you won't never know what they think.
They deliver answers and go home happy that they outsmarted the system once more.
Personal opinion is not something you share with strangers in Russia. Except you are suicidal.
Ah yes Victoria, you have much more freedom to speak out in Russia. I'm sure all the people that got arrested for holding blank signs agree with you as well.
Ah.. but she did say "in a more developed country we'd be arrested". ; )
@@dw620 She’s right. I’m trying to avoid any wifi boxes right now, just to avoid the Storm Troopers interrupting my lunch. ;-)
Indeed. And that after the first part of her answer actually made sense to me.
There's more to that story. But you want to mislead people.
What was the movement behind the blank signs?
Victoria is trolling us. No one can be THAT thick. But Nina is a treasure, she has lived under every ruler since Stalin. She knows the truth.
be careful wifi box is watching you.
@@purpplekushh No big deal. Everytime I think of the Glory and Wisdom of our magnificent PM, all my implanted body chips are buzzing. Such a nice feeling. It makes me love my Glorious and Wise PM even more. If possible.
The issue is that Victoria is NOT trolling.
I wonder what she's a senior lecturer in.
Look at how dysfunctional all western countries are. So who wants to be like them. Putin has an annual question session of about 4 hours where citizens, and press, even foreign press asks questions. You don't see that in the west.
Simple answer is he is a dictator who has absolute power and kills any challenges to his evil reign.
A debate requires at least two candidates; in Russia there is only one.
- agree, and as that one candidate is loved and cherished by 90% of the Russians, there really isn't any need or desire for debates or general elections.
@@peterwulff469 Maybe 10% Russians love and cherish him, no one asked the rest for their opinion.He did everything to be the only one.
@@peterwulff469 So why to play elections and democracy? Just vote him for a Tzar! 😀😀😀
@@gyulanyars6636 - agree! Putin must be made Tzar for lifetime.
@@peterwulff469 You know that is not true, Pootin is tolerated because he looks after a few major cities with large population ...
Nina 82 seems to be the only one with a clear head.
Victoria truly knows all about huge boxes for wifi systems.
What is really alarming she is a teach er.
No problem with the wifi here, my foil hat is working just fine.
@@mikaellindroos1594 teachers are the most devoted loyalist in the Russian society. I`d be rather surprised if she spoke something else.
@@mikaellindroos1594it’s not alarming, it’s 100% logical. It’s Russian teachers who rig elections by stuffing votes
there is no need to have debates.
Every worth candidates cannot speak at these debates.
Because they are imprisoned, in grave or in another country as an political refugee.
100% Victoria has never left Ruzzia.
Sad truth is that she might travel abroad. But learned nothing, like many russians, who lives abroad for decades and still support putin.
С каких пор Россия через z написан
Пишется
@@qweezewc С февраля 2022
@@qweezewc Since 2022 February.
Putin won't yell at others, he invites them for tea.
tea with Novichok
Or shows them the view from the window.
And airplane rides.
@@Skisful no way Captain obvious
Its because debate would blow away Putin's image of being untouchable and above normal politics. He'd have to argue his policies and justify them. Just like every other candidate. His ego couldn't handle it.
'Putin is calm and doesn’t yell at others …' Putin is very efficiënt in managing his image, instead of debate he surprises his critics with prison time in Siberia, poisoned tea or falling off a balcony or from a highrise hotel window. Oh, I almost forgot to mention Prigozhin’s planecrash; Putin apparently decided that spectacular critics "deserve" spectacular measures!
'.. Boris Nemtsov, a prominent Russian opposition leader and critic of President Vladimir Putin. He was shot and killed on February 27, 2015, while walking on the Bolshoy Moskvoretsky Bridge near the Kremlin in Moscow.
Nemtsov was a former deputy prime minister under Boris Yeltsin and had become a vocal critic of corruption, the Russian government's policies, and its role in the Ukraine conflict.'
'The Russian poisoned with polonium in London was Alexander Litvinenko, a former FSB (Federal Security Service) officer and vocal critic of the Russian government. He died on November 23, 2006, after being exposed to radioactive polonium-210, a rare and highly toxic substance.
Litvinenko fell ill after meeting with two Russians, Andrei Lugovoi and Dmitry Kovtun, at a London hotel, where he drank tea that had been laced with the poison.'
'The journalist killed outside her apartment in Russia was Anna Politkovskaya, a prominent investigative journalist, human rights activist, and vocal critic of the Russian government, particularly regarding its actions in Chechnya. She was shot dead on October 7, 2006, in the elevator of her apartment building in Moscow.'
Just some of the names we know about ... no need for yelling at all.
Yeah., and the killing of massive critics is accompanied by the killing of many innocent people in the plane , crew and other.
Siberian logging prisons are very nice in winter. Plenty of fresh air and exercise.
Don't forget tampering with your underwear
07:25 watching this from France is completely surreal. What does Victoria think happens to protesters in Russia? And why do so many Russians hesitate to speak their mind on camera if they're against the government? That wouldn't happen in Western countries.
I would have thought it blatantly obvious as to why Russians ‘hesitate to speak their minds on camera’.
I concur, this is BS over 9000. Maybe she's talking about "les gilets jaunes", but in reality, some were peaceful and other were very violent (It's very easy to find the videos: Fenwick attack against a politic ; assaut against a casern...)
At first she talked about street debate not allowed then about repressed rallies 🤔😏
she surely don't know that rallies in France need an administrative declaration for security reasons before being allowed: if not allowed then the rally must be canceled and if the unauthorized rally have began or going badly then it must be stopped 🤨
@@freeDvn12 The problem is in FR too many groups under cover of a demonstration, are making chaos. Some for looting, some for ideology reasons, aggressive protestors (destroying private goods or attacking the police) need to be arrested and often if it ends in a fight against the police (not normal even in a democracy)
However, there are plenty of demonstrations that are done in a calm way - of course when a FULL country is not happy about something, you can be sure that among the THOUSANDS of rallies, one or more will have some aggressive son of B*** that will give the impression FRANCE is on fire (and media of course love that). it s not like that all the time, BUT I have to agree that is not normal that such demonstrations have to finish in violence (a bit too often in FR).
And it does not matter 'the good reasons' for some extremists (left or right) to do so.
And I agree with you all, in RU they cannot even rally at all or they will get in prison or prosecuted - the only rally they can do it s for supporting Putin and blaming the West ... at least in FR we behave and treat equally everyone: we blame everyone (especially the french politics) =D
@freeDvn12 Not exactly true though. In Russia, protests must be approved ahead of time, and they usually don't get approved if they don't go in the government's direction. In France on the other hand (and I guess in many democratic countries), protests need to be declared, not approved - the distinction may sound subtle but it's very important. The Russian system is deny-by-default, the French system is approve-by-default - and of course French authorities can ban a rally if there's a legitimate fear of violence, as you said, but it's important to point out that only a small minority of protests get banned and that a great number of anti-government protests do happen.
Anyone who utters the words "provocative question" is already lost
calm and reasonable man apparently not reasonable enough to have his reasoning challenged
Oh please do stop expecting Russia to be that reasonable. What you're asking is unreasonable.
The only one able to see the situation and say the truth was the old lady, Nina, a great girl! When I first heard the senior lecturer, Victoria, I thought she was ironic in saying, "In a more developed country, we'd be arrested". But she wasn't; seeing how propaganda can wash the brain is frustrating.
Seems like 80 years old Nina collected a lot of knowledge and wisdom in her life. And she was able to talk about the issues without giving them a name.
Nina is absolutely wonderful. I encourage everyone to watch her interview in its entirety.
Nina - you're a very wise woman ❤❤❤
If you had a debate as an opposition against Putin and you won that debate with strong arguments. You would have very little time left.
If half of the population of Russia says they don't know anything about politics and the other half don't dare to say anything. Then there is no chance to implement a successful democracy into Russia, no chance at all. That is the basic problem of Russia and I am afraid it will take forever to achieve democracy.
100 years from now, Russia will be stuck in the same dysfunctional and corrupt quagmire.
What is a successful democracy and why does no major country have it?
@@maestro6458 you a dope,. Starting with the beginning of the alphabet , Australia perfect democracy with free elections and freedom of speech and yes.., it's a major country you fool. I could go on to the letter B but what's the point comrade!
@@instantparty8856 Australia: Censorship, donor influence on political parties, leaders putting their children into parliament...
A successfull democracy)))
@@maestro6458 Yes, you are right there is no perfect democracy anywhere.
But in the west you have at least the possibility to speak up and vote for different parties and so on.
And it is very important that everyone contributes and takes responsibility for an open society.
If not there will be something much worse. And in the worst case end up to be like Russia or China.
I love the way that Russians say 'Everything's normal here, just like everywhere else'
We saw that 'else' on TV
@@deniskhomenko819 Yes but in the US people don't pretend that it's normal. The incoming president is quite clear that he wants to be a dictator, & his supporters say jolly good. No one claims that he got 98% of the vote.
@@deniskhomenko819you saw it on PutinTV and never left the country by yourself
Compared to where? UK where gangs raped thousands of young girls/ kids in most horrific way and police and politicians hid it not to offend perpetrators? Or US where 3 living presidnets avoided women, either showing their private parts to women or raping them? Or that they threaten to take control of 3 countries and start wars with countries they don’t even border for no reason. Or other places where gov is conducting genocide. Or a country that says it will shoot at asylum seekers. So depending where are you from, it might not be normal in your country.
@@olivka7560 But all this is out in the open, even if it's taken a while. And (as far as we know!) we're free to discuss it - nothing will happen to us for airing our views. We don't have to self-police for fear of being disappeared. But I get the impression from Daniil & Maxim's videos that this is not the case in Russia, & that almost every Russian goes along with it.
7:24 Haha she is funny, reminds me of a joke By Ronald Reagan. An american and a soviet was having an argument, the american pointed out he had the freedom of speech as he could walk up to his president and tell him "Mr. presiden I dont think you are doing a very good job!"
The soviet guy replied "I can do that!".
The american in disbelief "Really???"
The soviet nodded "Any day of the week, I can kick the door in to the Kremlin walk right up to the General Secretary, and say I dont think the american president are doing a very good job!".
I always find it amusing with the way Russian people refer to their politicians as 'rulers'?
that's just some lost in translation thing
@@strawberryhaze8836no it is not, it is exact translation (im russian)
It is a translation. To rule means to manage. But in English we don’t say a president is a manager but a leader. In Russian and many languages there is no differention between these words manager, ruler, leader. Whereas in English you cannot say the ruler of a company. It’s same in many languages. Rule means to manage , to lead, to execute power.
When you say leader about western politiicans, it translates to the title of Stalin and alikes, so it is a translation issue.
@@olivka7560 Thank-you. At the risk of sounding a little pedantic, where I am we refer to a President/Prime minister as an elected head of Government, but he remains one of many elected servants of the people. When I hear a Russian say 'ruler', in my mind at least it has connotations of dominance, an all-powerful figure that rules over Russia and its people.
Yes Daniella you are right, debates is NOT for the Tsar, it is none that can speak free so WHOM want to go to jail to even try, those who have tried ends up falling from 10-15 stores buildings or get poisoned or, in the best case, imprisoned for years and years. That little man is full of fear and is suffering from PERCECUTION MANIA.
I first thought the teacher beeing sarcastic about freedom of speech in Europe vs Russia. But ups, no. That was really cringe.
@@knisterkultur476Well, it makes sense to compare the freedom of speech in the US vs Russia.
But there's no freedom of speech in Europe, stop being delusional.
@jerrymctwisp6244 I live in Europe. You can even say, Hitler was a leftist.
What can't you say?
@@jerrymctwisp6244 If there's no freedom of speech in Europe, how come every European state isn't a dictatorship like Russia?
@@jerrymctwisp6244 Yeah right, Putlers bot ... carry on ... 😅
Hey 1420. I would like to see Russians react to Presidential debate between Alexander Stubb and Pekka Haavisto in the Finnish elections 2024. I think it stands as a testament against polarizing political debate and showcases how politics should look and how problems are being discussed. A stark contrast to the circus between Biden and Trump.
Br from Finland.
Is there a video of it with English subtitles somewhere ? I would like to see it, I'm from Czechia this year we have really important parlamentery elections and the level of political discourse has been falling a lot, the culture war has completely controlled most of our media-illiterate population.
For years, coming from someone who was born in USSR, it was always clear to me that Russians are just Americans of the east... they are just as stupid, just as excentric and narcissistic, with a superiority complex as the Americans. That's why the US is also their first and foremost focus. Even when they talk about EU, they tend to mash them up all together as a big pile of "EU countries", not even realizing all the things which separate us (i live in EU) and that we also sometimes don't agree with each other. That's why we have debates to hear each other out, instead of going the US and Russian way of just spewing "He's/they're the bad guy(s), I'm/We're the good guy(s)!!" ...
It's so crazy how resistent to criticism they both are and we in the EU have to get much more interconnected with each other and much less dependent on the crazies on the far west, just like much less dependant on the far east ...
Thank you Finland for being one of the prime examples of how a modern society should function with its politics and happiness of its people.
As Russian I even don't know who are they. I think other Russians also don't know. 1240 shoulds to say a video of the debate
нам не очень интересна политика лимитрофов от которых ничего не зависит...извини брат.
Russians consider both Stubb and Haavisto as US puppets so any debate between them have no sense.
Is it me or does everyone look 20 years older than what their ages say?
Thats what living in russia does to you
No I had to check three times that the waiter was 41 he looked 70.
It seems very difficult , at this stage, for Russians, to understand what democtacy is. To interiorize democracy , people mentalities must change, it is a slow process, like we did in Europe and in the West countries in general.
Therefore, I don`t think that at present Russians are prepared to accept debates with rulers, for they just don`t understand why, what
for ? For Russians, at this stage of their mentality, a ruler is a ruler, for life, full stop, people has nothing to discuss rulers` decisions.
the serf mentality has been a part of russia since forever. read russian classics - its all there, always has been.
What else we can say or do than make popcorn and laugh.
в окопы, ухилянт
It truly has got to that stage; I have watched this channel from the start of war, amongst others, and it has been pretty much the same rhetoric "I don't get into politics" or simply repeating propaganda ...
Plenty of butter and lightly salted popcorn is good for 1420 vids ...
Who would Putin debate with? You need an opposition to do that.
You need to be a decent man to speak truth.
Putin storms the debate room and yells: "One of you is a foreign agent and will be executed". Someone ask Putin "Who is it?". Putin answers "I haven't decided yet"
We have our flaws here as every country does. It is important for citizens of any nation to be able to criticize their own government and inspire positive change.
What's the point in having debates or even elections when the result is previously decided. What's the point of entering a debate when your life could be in danger depending on what you say. What's the point in having a debate when your country has never been free. What's the point in having a debate when the people aren't listening. What's the point in having a debate when the majority of people are already totally brainwashed. Notice none of the questions above were in doubt by the questioner.
When the oldest person has the most progressive views, you know your country is screwed.
It is only for your reality.Not for russians one.
nation of fools
no, we aren't
of sheeps..
There are many types of fools, including those who label an entire nation without understanding.
Are you one of them?
I can imagine Putin’s answer: “It would really be a waste of time-I would win anyway.”
You can hear the disappointment in Nina's voice about the current state of affairs in Russia. : /
Only the people who are counting the votes matter.
He has had 64-80% support. It fluctuates of course, was lower in Covid or during worlds financial crises. He is a very popular leader yes. Probably similiar to Regran in US but he accomplished more than Regean in his first year and he was younger when he took power. Merkel used to be popular and if she did not make mistakes she would have been in power for many decades to come most likely.
@@olivka7560 Putin never had a real election in his 25 years of rule. He is a dictator not a politician.
Nina. What a wonderful human being amidst all the zombie vibes.
Nina is the star of the show !
If you do get to debate Putin make sure it's on the ground floor with no windows
We, in the free democratic world, need those debats to form an opinion about who to vote for or support. Greetings from the Netherlands🥰
" Since people are illiterate, they elect illiterate leaders ". Jayzus, thats the truth .
Couldnt disagree on anything he said tbh. Democracy is flawed as hell.
@@zlatni_orao The longer i live, the more i notice democracy isnt working well because of the populus but because leaders are not long in office/change regularly enough so they cant get too corrupt. Also they represent the entire country not just one type of person with one type of preferences.
This has been increasingly true, but in the US at least it is also by design. The very richest have been working for decades to essentially take over the government. With the passage of Citizens United, it gave them unlimited ability to influence government. They have also been hard at work undermining our public education system, making it increasingly difficult for teachers to do their jobs and nearly impossible for public school students to get a good education. The rich, meanwhile, go to very good, very expensive private schools. Education is a commodity like everything else in a capitalist society.
@@Hangman11 As Winston Churchill said, democracy is a terrible system except when compared to every other system. Undermining public education certainly makes it less effective, but dictatorship almost never works out well for the people. Oligarchy, possibly, even less so.
@@Hangman11 They also cant get shit done when they dont sit long enough in the office, the Chinese are at the advantage on this because their Government has all the time it needs to plan and execute, meanwhile our politicians are killing each other every 4 years for the seat which they will leave very soon, so it leaves no space for anything remarkable to be done
Nina for president.👍
Израиля...)))
‘…in a more developed country we’d be arrested..’ so development is a backward step in human rights? That must mean the poorest, or ‘least developed’ countries are the best to live in? For a teacher she makes zero sense.
Victoria could have a reality check issue
Nina, OTOH, is very wise
Most of them are afraid. They have accepted acquiescence. It’s sad.
Certainly well trained cattle 🐄
It's as if the word "dictator" doesn't exist in the Russian language.
The fact that this channel exists says something.
That Russia isn’t quite North Korea….. yet?
It sometimes seems they are thinking its KGB under cover, who are making the interviews.
Imagine living in such a fear of its government.
Glad that the older generation is aware - sad about some young people having a false impression of the freedom to debate and protest in Western countries. Of course, if protests turn violent there will be intervention.
Yep, protests and riots are not the same in a civilized country.
Do they even know how many people are dying for Putin's madness?
I think that perhaps the Clergyman has committed a sin by lying about his age
Victoria is a senior lecturer? The bar isn’t set very high.
She's a senior lecturer in Politics and Propaganda at the University of Imperialism
What we get to see here is a sad picture of a subserviant people...
Are you referring to poor ukranians?
@@devansa125 No, of course not. Russians are obviously subservient to their Tzars...
No debates...unless it's scripted
The old lady should be Russia's president. She would end the war in one day.
Hmmm. Putin seems to have enough time for Tucker Carlson.
❤ This was *so* revealing in so many ways.
Please continue to ask “provocative“ questions.
25 years taking russia into increasing misery
You're doing the most precious job in the world
Amazing to watch. Completely distorted world view. Wonder if one day I find myself equally brainwashed since the methods seem to work very effectively! Staying non biased becomes harder and harder!
Nina and Vladislav: quite the contrast.
Please remind me, when was the last strike in free Russia?
Они все время происходят. Последняя была месяц назад. А во время ковида протесты против прививок в городах проходили почти каждый день.
@@danascully6670 Do you think Europeans get arrested for holding up a blank piece of paper? If a European calls their president an idiot, is that person going to jail?
@@danascully6670 can you provide any source for strike last month?
@maksimsku3544 все это активно обсуждалось в российских СМИ, но вы об этом не знаете потому что не живёте в России, и не знаете, что тут у нас происходит.
@@danascully6670 right.. if you say so
USA resident and engineer here.. that wifi-box stuff is wild. They believe that?
The Dear Leader is the only one. He is the chosen one. He was touched by the hand of God himself.
These russians are beyond help.
Ah yes, eat more propaganda.Only the 80 year old lady has the guts to criticize putler.
“Such a provocative question” she says. No, just a question. They reap what they sow. All for the Motherland!!
oh victoria......stop watching to much propaganda! its so shamefull to watch you....i live in free europe....you are talking just nonsens!
Ну да, где кандидатов подбирают заранее глобалисты, вроде фон дер Ляйн. Кого не выбери, всё одно и тоже. Выборы в Румынии показали, "честность" и супер демократию ...
Depressing that the only person who sees what a sham it is is the old lady. And we get told all the time that it is the babushkas etc who are stuck in the old ways. The stupidity of youth has never been more evident!
A community that boasts about their traditional values, should show more respect and compassion to their elders, particularly to their Babushkas.
Ai russi piace avere un padrone indiscusso, non gli piace che qualcuno metta in dubbio il loro re .
Un po li capisco non è che in democrazia ci sia tutto sto spazio di manovra alla fine
la democrazia non è perfezione, fa grandi errori ma contiene in se i meccanismi per correggersi. La democrazia è fatica. Abbassare la testa e accettare di essere "esseri inferiori". è meno faticoso. Intendevi questo?
It's the difference in mentality of wanting to be told what to think, versus wanting to be able to think for oneself.
I might not objectively have that much more power over my government in a democracy, but I don't have to go on camera and say "Well, you know, the Tories just want what is best for us, who am I to question them"
@@rorychivers8769 I agree. The point of my comment was to express surprise at how Russia and Russians operate this way. They simply prefer this type of government, and you can see it from the election results, which, although they may be full of fraud, Putin still enjoys enormous support
Putin is "calm and reasonable"? LMAO.
Because the other debaters are mortal, and he isn't
Of course - that's it. They're twats and he's the biggest twat!
а кто умер? Собчак живее всех живых, Жириновский умер в преклонном возрасте от Ковид, Зюганов сидит в Думе, Миронов в порядке. Вы о ком?
@@olga9219 А вы в словаре посмотрите что такое "mortal", прежде чем позорится
@@olga9219 Boris Nemtsov and Alexei Anatolievich Navalny, but you can also consider Alexander Litvinenko, Sergei Magnitsky, Natalya Estemirova, Anna Politkovskaya. I am sure I forgot many others
этот отработанных цру материал, зачистили свои же, зачем кормить хромую утку? это ждет всех, кто связался с Ми 6 и цру, Зеленского тоже. Методы такие у "партнёров" замочить своих ненужных агентов, и орать на весь мир..ЭТО ПУТИИИИИИИИН
Although it may be a matter of translation, in these videos, the people always talk about ‘rulers’, and not leaders…huge difference.
😆Они даже не знают что такое дебаты. Это тоже самое как если спросить у крепостных нужны ли им избирательные права.
Точно, россияне рассуждают о декократии которую не видели. А те кто туристами были в европейских странах ничего понять не успели и не хотели
какое отношение телевизионное шоу называемое дебатами имеет к избирательным правам?
@@maestro6458 Самое непосредственное. И мы видим как отсутствие дебатов влияет на россиян. Они четверть века не видят другого кандидата. И никогда его не увидят, потому что у других нет никакой возможности публично критиковать программу путина и защитить свою программу. А на последних выборах он вообще обнаглел и шел на выборы без программы. По сути это как прения в суде, которые формируют окончательный вердикт. А в РФ просто затыкают рты другой стороне и дают слово исключительно путинской. Ну и зачем в таком случае избирательные права, если нет выбора.
@ Какое отношение речи и клоунада в телевизионных шоу влияет на смену власти? Во всем мире реальная власть десятилетиями передается своим детям и приближенным но для народа показывают петрушек на дебатах, это разве демократия?
@@maestro6458 В России - да. В какой нибудь Северной Корее да. Власть передается своим приближенным или детям. Но как приближен был например Трамп к Байдену, или Шольц к Меркель?
Because dictators don’t debate-they dictate. When you fear accountability and opposing views, you avoid the spotlight of open discussion
2:23 wasn't putin elected?
“self elected” 🤣
yeah .. "elected" as in "elect me, or else ... !"
Sort of, kind of, in a way! Next he's going to be erected!
@@nergal2741 It's the Russian way sir!
yes he was, you could choose him or him.
A government is a direct outcome of a culture. What a culture!🙀
I still have hope for the russian sane people and dissidents. Stay informed and free ❤
this
I've spoken with, so called dissidents who state they are then give reasonable and calm reasons why the are so. And then you have the temerity to criticize Tsar Putrid or Komard Lavatoryov and they come over all Russki Mir and defensive and protective - now so strange as folk as they might say in Yorkshire or maybe even Yakutsk.
Whats the point of the world if Ruzzia is still in it?
Если оппозицию систематически изничтожать то конечно покажеться что нет «достойных преемников», но стоит только убрать просроченную тухлятину из Кремля и глядишь как сразу появятся сотни новых лиц на политической эстраде.
Russia out of Ukraina!!😊
Debate who? He killed his opponents.
Thank you. In my eyes, you may be the bravest person in Russia today. Asking real questions and letting real people answer in their own words. It is clear that they do not answer with the first answer. Every one of them stops, thinks, and you can watch them "construct" the answers in the least negative way possible for the regime. The US went thru a period of 4 years being censored and punished for saying "wrong think" things. I called it "Russia lite". It was so antithetical to the American psyche' that we could not do it. For you to even ask, much less post, your questions is a courage that most Americans do not have. I'm old, so don't get me started on "today's youth".
You cannot debate with an Opposition that is not allowed to exist! Democracy-Russia Style!!
Why does Putin NOT have debates?? Russians- “maybe it’s a good thing” 😂😂😂😂
These people don't even know what the debate is... Super sad actually.
There's no need for debate because if I say that Putin should be debating or our system is broken I will not doubt fall out of a window tomorrow ...( That's a summary of the majority interviewed here). Only Nina 80 gets it!
Democracy has to be learned and there may be no fear. Here you see the fruit of 25 years of dictatorship.
I have never seen nor heard a people that can talk so long and say absolutely nothing.
They all have CCCP thinking.
Victoria, 35 is accidentally set to ten times the normal speed. Please put back ! Thank you.
My god this people now nothing about the world, about democracy, about elections, about manifestations, about human rights…
To me it seems like these people are not saying these things because they think them. They just know they're supposed to say it. On the inside they are confused.
These people need more sanctions
thanks so much for conducting those interviews and risking your life! Truly the hero of the Russian internet.
haha, that depends on the direction in which the country will develop. If the target is North Korea, then Victoria is actually right.
Keep in mind this is center of Moscow, where the smartest, most intelligent people in Russia live. Its much worse in the rest of the counry
They dont know whats like to live in a democrati. Very sad.