My experience of Dysgraphia
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Everything in this is so relatable and I think this is the least talked about “dys” condition under the ND umbrella compared to dyslexia, dyspraxia and dyscalculia.
I’m another 30yd with dysgraphia and I got diagnosed as a child.
This changed my life by opening up all the school accommodations, which helped me a ton. And at home my mother still forced me to practice writing by hand over and over, to get my handwriting to improve… it got a slight bit better over years and years of that physical torture, but it wasn’t worth it at all, particularly because I was already working great with the keyboard. I’ve taken a lot of art classes, even some studio and design classes in college, and had the same issues with the paintbrush, exact-o knife, artists charcoal and other implements as I do with the pen/pencil. Even though I practiced so much… there is just a sort of cap to my ability with my fine motor skills with those implements, so that was why I decided to keep visual art as a hobby and stick with the keyboard And, with writing as my main artform. I’m pretty good with the verbal part of my brain, which isn’t true of all ppl w/ dysgraphia, like 9:52 . It IS actually a common feature of dysgraphia to also have some verbal processing issues such long term trouble with spelling. Side note, also muscle memory for different keyboard spacing is a whole thing!)
That said, I still journal sometimes by hand to make myself / my thoughts slow down when I’m upset, because writing by hand is so slow for me. And also there is still diversity of preference in office supplies lol I like lined paper because I see it as guidelines I may or may not utilize, whereas I see dotted paper as… well it doesn’t do anything for me, in fact it’s sort of visually overwhelming… and trying to keep each letter in a box? I’d rather let my hand writing be a mess and only I can read it than agonize over each little box @>@“ some other people like graph paper to do the “box” thing with (my cousin, also diagnosed… now mainly uses the computer). tbh blank is my second fav (I like to draw despite that it’s often difficult). and the computer keyboard is my favorite all time writing implement (phone keyboard as 2nd).
Luckily some of the social damage was limited by me knowing about my diagnosis because I learned that when people commented on my handwriting or even look like they are about to comment on my handwriting- “Yeah, my handwriting is sh*t, I’ve got Dysgraphia, it’s a diagnosis. You know Dyslexia? Same category just about brain-hand stuff and it makes my handwriting bad.”
About pacing, I describe it as “by the time I’ve written the first sentence I’ve thought of two more. by the time I’ve written the second sentence, I’ve forgot the third and I’m pissed off”.
Also, with the frequent cooccurrence between ADHD and and dysgraphia, it’s hard because being able to externalize thoughts (and not have to hold them in less working memory slots than a neurotypical has) is very important and one of the fastest (well it doesn’t have a boot up time) ways to do it is to write by hand. Though my phone’s notes app boots pretty fast. That and speech to text.
ah and sort of a jump back, but wanna add that the trauma involved in behind forced to practice handwriting when someone has dysgraphia (literally physical torture) is also like a whole thing, and something I’d like to see more people addressing.
Anyway, thanks for making this video!
I got an autism diagnosis 10 months ago and the Dr mentioned dysgraphia during the assessment interviews. I am doing open university and am struggling to get information from different places and organise it all into an assignment. Note taking is a nightmare and I also have had untidy handwriting all my life and found trying to grip pens and pencils correctly difficult. This was never picked up on as a child, neither was my autism and now at 33 it's causing me a lot of problems. Thanks for this video I'm glad to know there are others out there.
I also (may have) autism and have dysgraphia so I feel you
Just recently in my final years of school I have finally found a teacher that believes me when I say I can't write properly, im now finally allowed to use a laptop in class for notes and tests after my prelim test was illegible. Felt so great to hear that it's not just me and this is an actual struggle people have.
Thank you God I found this video cause I was diagnosed with ADHD and Dysgraphia during my childhood and I think I still have it now as an adult even with dysgraphia cause I have a hard time writing and I have the same thing with holding a pencil and I press hard writing that my hand hurts I have a hard time spelling out words especially big words. So this video is helping me that I'm not the only one with this disorder and this can help me through my long run.
It's clear now that these conditions don't just go away later in life.
Thank you for covering this topic. I don’t think I ever told my healthcare providers about this. I did mention my difficulty with coordination, catching balls, posture, etc as a child during my assessment, but not this. My middle finger has a permanent, tender bump on the distal knuckle. It’s been there since I was little from applying so much pressure in an odd position. I hear that a lot of people with hypermobile EDS deal with this too.
i also have a bump on my finger from gripping my whole life!
Thank you, sir! I'm currently writing a paper on dysgraphia. I was young when I got diagnosed but I still have vivid memories of teachers making me rewrite entire assignments during recess because they weren't "neat" enough. Almost done with my first year of college now and finishing with an above average GPA and my first ever paying job! I'm planning on going into the special ed field myself, so this channel is both helpful and inspiring to me. Thank you for this content! We need more people like you in the world! :)
Please explain in detail how u are facing difficulty in writing 😢😢
@@simranjitsingh1984 I don’t understand
I struggled with school alot my whole life my parents knew I had some learning disabilities they just didn't know which and coupled with difficulties taking in unclear instructions I don't know what they they thought was wrong. My brother in the medical profession gave me some kind of diagnosis 2 months ago,I am 32 now and i am better at describing things verbally than writing them down. You explaining the pencil thing made me tear up as I generally prefer to write in pencil but can't In formal settings.
If you ever have a need to handwrite more often you should check out e ink writing tablets, I have the Supernote and they have an a5 size. You can also change the templates so can have the dots in the background or any background that’s helpful.
I haven’t been formally diagnosed but am very sure I have dysgraphia and I find with the Supernote the traction on the surface is perfect and the ability to erase and move around my words is so helpful (I struggle with spacing and writing the wrong letters)
The writing to text is also pretty good. I have to handwrite often for work and it has been beyond a game changer
I really want to try one! I’ve tried the iPad with a traction screen and it was good. But I bought my own traction screen but those things are so tricky to attach… I failed.
I still have my Apple Pencil but it’s a little too smooth.
Dysgraphia definitely is linked to dyslexia, and both issues are easy to sort out, using the Davis methods.
So good thank you. Homeschooled daughter has dysgraphia.
Recently I've been chasing an ADHD diagnosis and I think both dysgraphia and dyscalculia fit me way too perfectly to be a coincidence. Thank you for making this video!
Thank you! My son has just been diagnosed with dysgraphia. I found this very helpful.
Glad it was helpful!
I have it and it looks like I'm about what at least 5 years younger than most but my ongoing problems with it are comprehension, quality of letters and adding or skipping words
Edit note i am diagnosed
Esit edit my hands are fine
Edit edit edit i have no problems with grip pressure or my hands in general
Anybody with dysgraphia struggle with their mind wondering while writing affecting the symbol you end up writing? Like if I need to write 7 but I glance at X suddenly I’m writing X. Or the words for six and 7 start with S so I often write S instead of those on accident. It’s like my brain-physical connection is so easily interrupted
I was undiagnosed as a child, i was teased and i just thought i was dumb. As an i adult i understood i was never dumb. So eventually the disgraphia mended due to weight training my wrist muscles made it easy to hold the pen in a normal technique 😊😊😊
I taught my dysgraphia son to type on a keyboard. Now he is learning Braille, which also helps him learn a quicker way to type out words than qwerty. His ipad has a screen protector that feels like paper. Also, he is only required to write out his first and last name.
This has been very helpful. My daughter and I are homeschooling my two grandsons. the eldest who is 11 has had difficulty with writing since he began school. He often complains about pain in his arm and hand. It has been an ongoing issue. Homeschooling affords the opportunity to try different things, but my daughter and I would really like to understand more, and learn how we can best help. I am wondering if math was a difficult subject for you? My grand son struggles with numbers, and becomes very frustrated.
It's amazing how little there is out there about adults with dysgraphia.
I'm 47 and I've had messy handwriting all my life. I've never been formally diagnosed with dysgraphia but I'm pretty sure I have this.
I'm actually not bad at drawing. I love it but it's slow and frustrating. When it comes to writing omg it's a nightmare. I hold a pen in the wrong way and I write even slower when I'm trying the correct way. I'm always last one to finish a test because it's difficult and painful tj write . I can be precise but inly at much lower speed that others
I can understand you buddy ! Suffering the condition now 😔 I'm in med school where you gotta take tons of notes 🥲
Even I'm writing this comment during my lectures cause I couldn't write fastly and in neat way !
How did you cure your condition???? Pls let me know it'd be helpful
I am 30 and still have problems with spelling and grammar
And I love reading and learning not writting
4:52 lmao that is the exact pen I was going to recommend! Another decent one is the LINC Signetta, although it's maybe a bit too light and the ink isn't as satisfying when it touches the paper. But it does dry quicker than Uniball. Uniball still has the best/easiest glide and ink release, though.
I also have always hurt my hand while writing, using way too much pressure both on my grip and from tip to paper. It doesn't help that when I write with a pen, I've always gotten more OCD-like tendencies, having to connect any tiny gaps, and if a word shouldn't be there and it's not an erasable pen ink, I would have to scribble out the word entirely and I would get sort of stuck on that (I would try to cross it out with one or two lines but then I'd look back at it after writing another word or two, and I'd draw circular squiggles over the word, eventually drawing a rectangular box around the word and filling in the whole box like it's a selection on a Scantron) and on the look of the letters/ink for much much longer than I should. And I would always create smudges which was frustrating, and always had this big thing of ink on the side of my hand/pinky (which I usually only saw in lefties).
Hello Loren, this was a great video to find. I laughed aloud when you mentioned the squiggly line towards the end of a long word, I've always done that too. I've been looking into disgraphia as I'm trying to learn how to write better now in my 30s, seeing if i can find little ways of writing well instead of just not writing at all. I've been trying new pens lately but I will try dotted paper next. Thank you!
Have you tried a fountain pen there is no pressure what so ever
So wild they made you rewrite with pen when teachers in the US insist we write with pencil.
I found a fountain pen saved my ass. And as for art, going digital is just... the best.
I came here for my son, but everything you're saying is lowkey things I've had to do for myself. 😶
I just didn't know how to get it out in words.
Hi I have a question for you
I have i dysgraphia for adults
One of my college teacher reding pen
Thank you for this. Very helpful!
I use erasable pen
You hold your pencil like my son with dysgraphia.
Omg- what the hell. I use pencils and it drives everyone nuts.
hi can you doe a topic regarding bedwetting if you can pleases
Not in my expertise… though weirdly yesterday I was teaching a class and we did discuss its sensory side for 15minutes!
my hands start aching just watching this video lol
Oh well, I'm an adult so nothing can be done now
For me spelling and grammar are not good at all.