As a mechanical engineer I always appreciate using geometry to solve a problem. However it should be noted that there is still definitely a force on those screws when firing, but it will be a vertical force pulling perpendicularly to the threads rather than a sheering force applied perpendicularly to the bolt shank. This will reduce the 'tilt' between the male and female threads, which is what typically causes fatigue cracking of threadlocker allowing the bolts to loosen..
Isnt the amount of force reduced this way, though? It seems (to the admittedly non engineer types like myself...) that the majority of the force would be transmitted directly to the slide through the clip, in line with the slide. So the clip screws would carry a force load for certain, but only for holding the clip down under force, not holding the weight of the red dot itself.
@@leewilkinson6372 The recoil force of the optic is being transferred into the slide through a pair (technically two pair, but whatever) of ramps. These ramps do not transfer the force purely longitudinally, but impart a vertical load on the screw during recoil, as the ramps try to pull the screw out of its hole. The load isn't really "less", it's just better directed, in a way that screws are actually meant to take, repeatedly. The ramp angle also determines how much "up" force there is, vs "rear" force, for a given recoil force. Everything is a tradeoff.
Us bad shots can blame the sights again!!! . "My front sight is too small and rear notch too big" To the modern version, which is "My red dot too big" Lol
Ian as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter if the gun is historical or forgotten, any weapon you choose to look at is just fine. Just please keep it up, I start my day with your videos regardless of the subject.
This is clearly a long term investment by Glock/aimpoint towards military/LE. I know if I was arming beat cops durability and not having guns coming back to the armory with an RMR missing is a high priority…
When showing a red dot on a camera you can focus on something far away and turn off auto focus and then put the dot infront of the camera and it will show up normally
Given Ian’s convenient memory lapse about all the other companies that make adjustable emitters, rather than tubes, along with his interesting optimism about yet another slide cut standard becoming THE standard, I suspect Ian is the one who got the many-digit “favor” (At least, if he’s going to read off a marketing sheet for a product, rather than think critically for his review, you’d at least hope he got paid the standard rate). Edit: oh also bragging about the way Aimpoint has automated manufacturing. Welcome to the 21st century, I guess… (for better or worse, depending on how important that hand-fitting is to getting a quality product)
Yeah, the Trijicon RMR pioneered that IIRC. It makes sense because you can buildca degree of shock absorption into the adjustment mechanism instead of beating the emitter to death over time or having a heavier glass lens or reflector itself move (like a T-2, etc.)
@@barnbwt ye, the cmore had a compliant mechanism in the frame of the dot itself to move the glass and change the zero Yes, the glass, the emitter was actually stuck still
Swede here! I think that one of the reasons why AimPoint developed this optic, and also made it compact is that Swedish Police recently adopted the Glock 45 :) good to see my nation innovating again!
As someone living in America that had a 100 percent Norwegian Grandmother, I can’t wait to visit the Scandinavian countries someday. Maybe I’ll get to tour Aimpoint.
Unlikely that these are particularly related - if they already adopted the G45, then it had to be with a pre-existing slide, either the standard one or the MOS cut, and it's not like they'll just replace all the slides now.
15:00 “There are 14 competing standards. We need a unified standard.” “There are 15 competing standards.” This is super cool, but it still needs a unique slide cut that is incompatible with all the other slide cuts- except you can’t even use a conversion plate.
@@brandonb6164 thats not the issue, the issue is none of their current guns fit it. Your example would make more sense if you said "doesnt fit their spare glock" The cost limiting factor will be getting the guns milled for this optic.
@@brandonb6164It’s more that he’s talking as if this will be the universal industry standard, unifying all the manufacturers, and that rarely happens. Usually “The new universal industry standard” just becomes another industry standard. It’s become a joke at this point, as seen in the xkcd comic I quoted. People will totally buy it, much like people have bought all the other industry standards, but that was irrelevant to my point.
Lots of whining online about yet another footprint, but I think this is a step forward in pistol optics. Putting the recoil stress on the slide itself rather than the mounting screws is a wise engineering solution. Plus, ~$1k isn’t really that outrageous for a brand new Glock and Aimpoint that are already set to go from the factory with no need for aftermarket plates or cutting.
Until you don't want a Glock, then what? I seriously doubt manufacturers are going to want to retool just to accommodate for a single product that's already obsolete compared to what holosun has done.
8:50 You said "18 ft lb of torque?" Did you mean 18 in lb? That's a LOT of torque for those bolts. I like the lock up grooves, but it's adding another footprint. We need the industry to standardize to just two or three footprints.
The beauty in this design is its lockup is geometric and not really reliant on screws yes it has the rear sight that clamps down but that’s it. It’s really just holding pressure. Huge leap forward in mounting design.
With Aimpoint being a Swedish company, I'd almost venture a guess that their absurd brightness is because of snow rather than desert climates. Clear, sunny days after a fresh snow can be incredibly bright in the winter with both the sunlight and reflected light from the snow.
The wedge designs is a really good idea. On all other mounts with alignment pins there is always some sideways play because there has to be some tolerance there to make sure it fits with the machining tolerance of the sight and the slide cut. So they don't return perfectly to zero sideways when taking them on and off. But with the wedge design they will always return perfectly to zero no matter how loose the machining tolerances is on the sight or the slide cut.
Your intro made me think about how much worse off I'd be, if you ONLY covered "forgotten weapons". That would have been a real waste of your abilities. Thanks for the videos!
Back when I had my vision, I preferred carrying internal-hammer revolvers as my CCW of choice, but this is still really cool! Great video! I appreciate the occasional "current developments" primer.
@@AlanToon-fy4hgI honestly wish they’d just stick to guns and mags. Maybe performance triggers for slim line if that’s your jazz. Like leaving this optic to aim point was a much better idea than going the route Sig did. Release the Romeo 1, Romeo 1 pro and Romeo zero that were all garbage and unreliable and you lose credibility and then finally figure it out with the M17, Romeo X/enclosed.
Ian getting into optics is pretty cool. Been waiting for it since the videos on the Sig Romeo and I hope he cover some retro glass as well like the first ACOG and how revolutionary it was.
(10:06) Screws should never experience sheer forces. If they do, you (or the person developing the screw connection) did something wrong. Screws bring two surfaces so tight together, that the friction force takes all the load. (Same with rivets). That's also the reason why you need torque wrenches for every precision screw connection (so you actually reach the necessary friction forces without over tightening the system or create the chance for material fatique)
Love this content, actually very useful for someone that works in a related industry to get good explanations of new innovations from someone that isn't a sales rep.
Pretty cool Aimpoint is working with more manufacturers to offer complete packages. The PA state police, and I believe an element of the Bundeswehr, recently adopted the Walther PDP that is direct milled for the Acro P2. Given Glocks ubiquity, I’d imagine many more departments, agencies, and normal people will go this “all in one” route.
Unforgotten video on the Forgotten Weapons YT Channel - even if it’s for a future weapon which once might become forgotten 😊 - overall you need an in depth knowledge to explain in simple words a complex issue - this is what Ian does …. 👍👏
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I have been putting off adding a red dot sight to my pistol for various reasons: different/confusing mounting requirements, cost, etc. A single-shop, package offer like this is exactly what I need to adopt this technology. Thank you, Ian!
Plenty of options in this space already, and typically for less money. Holosun has direct mount options for the SCS for Sigs, CZs, Glocks and others and you can often find them as a package deal. And it still leaves open the option for using a plate to try a different option down the line if you decide to. This is a priority footprint that solves a problem that didn’t actually exist. I’m not saying this harshly toward you, I’m just letting you know there’s other options already on the market that don’t lock you into a proprietary footprint or only one manufacturer.
You are in the same boat as a lot of people. It takes hours of research to figure out the best and most cost effective way to get a RDS on your gun. Even with plate systems. And after all that you have to buy a torque driver and play amateur gunsmith to put it all together. Aimpoint just made it a no brainier for the most popular handgun on the market and the only one a HUGE percentage of people and agencies will trust their lives to with an RDS that is the only brand or 1 of 2 brands that those same people and agencies would even consider trusting as well. I bet M&Ps are going to come with COAs too in a year. Aimpoint are going to make a lot of money with these and just getting a gun with a COA or other RDS using the A-mount already on it is going to be the standard going forward. This is the beginning of the end for expensive milling and complicated plate systems and figuring out a multitude of mounts for pistol red dots. It is a big step forward for the industry.
This is still just another different mounting requirement. A cool one, don’t get me wrong, but nothing you couldn’t get from any other gun that was factory milled and sold with the optic already installed. Its only benefit is durability, and 99% of civilians are not going to put an optic-mount-breaking amount of ammo through their gun.
Really appreciate your coverage of new stuff Ian, you give us the facts without clickbait and trying to sell it to us. I'm interested in these but will probably wait, so I can put it on something other than a Glock. Not holding my breath, but really hope Beretta will mill cuts in their 80x for these someday!
Primary Arms has just introduced their own in house enclosed emiter red dot sight. It comes with a chassis system. And, it brings the bottom of the sight flush with the surface of the slide. It also has 4 screws to lock down the sight, for stability on all axis. It would be nice to compare the two.
I think all the talk about the screw sheer strength is marketing Fud. Sure some have experienced the issue. Across the board if true, Everyone's dot would be falling off. I'm looking at the HTX1 as well.
@@lenholt7419it is objectively true that using screws for fastening rather than a solid lug will introduce weakness and stress concentration around those holes. It makes sense for the 40,000 round endurance; there will be accumulated deformation around those screw holes due to bearing stresses. For the average person, it's not likely applicable.
@@lenholt7419 It's interesting that two optics manufacturers have gone about a redesign in different ways. Aimpoint went with 2 screws and a grooved mounting system. And PA went with 4 screws and a chassis plate system. With Aimpoint, you have to buy a Glock with the COA mounted or wait a year for other pistol manufacturers to come onboard. With PA, you may have to wait 3 more months. And, be able to buy their HTX 1 for any pistol. Which includes the Glock MOD plate. And, considering that PA's optic is almost half the cost of Aimpoints. If PA's optic stands up to testing. PA may have an advantage.
Really cool. What I can't wait for is in 5 years every company will have their own proprietary version of this and it's still a pain in the butt to match up cuts with optics. Seriously though I really do like that it's taking the stress off those micro screws in a normal mount.
I think the real test is going to be whether or not other optics manufacturers can use this footprint. Like until a manufacturer like holosun can make these at a truly affordable price, I don't know that these will be able to take over the market. I guess it also depends on what the price point for the aim point is, which is something I guess we'll find out in a few weeks
It would be interesting to see if anyone takes advantage of this mounting system. Worst comes to worst, someone makes another optic plate so people can use whatever they want.
@@MobiuSphere The video mentioned that the mounting system was restricted for a year only. After that time so would I expect both other gun and sight manufacturer to do some adaptation, if this turns out popular.
The improvements in mounting and battery life are particularly impressive, especially for those of us who rely on reliable optics for precision shooting.
@ I don’t think so. Ian stated that the AimPoint/Glock partnership is a 12 month exclusive. Perhaps it will move toward licensing to the patent afterward. Can’t turn a profit if it’s open source. I have a feeling this is the way forward for optics mounting.
@@OldManAzeban It won’t grab hold. Until an optic mounting solution akin to the Mlok system with a free license comes along, it won’t grab the market. You’ve got to have a universally applicable design that both integrates optics and allows for various slide designs.
@@OldManAzeban It sounded to me like that Aimpoint COA itself is exclusive, you'll only be able to get the optic if you buy a glock that has one attached. Nothing said about the mounting system. That said I'm thinking about handguns that are very narrow at the top like the VP9 and PPQ, and if they'll be compatable with the cuts.
@ I think a ton of manufacturers would remedy optic mounting problems with the A-Cut. The depth of the cut itself is the only thing they have to account for; versus the tolerance stacking for the combination of the cut, plate system, and depth of the hardware affixment type. The rear wedge of the A-Cut that locks the optic in is where the screws wouldn’t impede in the function of the internals of the firearm, like traditional plate systems. I’m sure it’ll be the acquiring the licensing rights that manufacturers will be contingent.
I hope it does. It looks like no-brainer simplicity and durability. Then again, we've seen beautiful designs that were the best come and go in the past.. (HK P7 anyone?)
I'm always happy to see anything Technology-wise coming out of Sweden. It doesn't happen too often, but when it does, it's usually always great! Whether it's Weaponry, Cars, Fighter Jets, other Technology and sometimes even Food! (Surströmming however was rather underwhelming and not as good as Icelandic Hakarl - don't take that in Anger my Swedish Friends) Prost & Cheers from the Snow-Covered Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
@@Hosenfuhrer I still find it hilarious that somehow the "Fermented Shark" from Iceland was way less disgusting than Surströmming, even though the Hakarl is basically just hanged in an open Wooden Shed for a long Time, while Surströmming is produced under strict Controls But yes, Chemical Weapons and War Crime against me as a German fits the Bill!
@@Lowtiercomputer Sehr viel Schnee, aber ich lebe etwas den Berg hoch etwas außerhalb. Aber immernoch schön! Hope you enjoyed your Time here, come back any Time!
This looks way more complicated to cut which I think will be a barrier for adoption. I don't know that this cut is possible on slides without a lot of vertical real estate like the cz75.
I think you're right about temperature machining complexity. It seems like it actually leaves more material over the striker channel and etc than a traditional cut. It'll be interesting to see which hmguns it can't work on.
A Tri Top slide may present some challenges. Anyone can make a plan but can they execute it. The execution is in the details. I guess we'll find out in a year or less.
To be honest, I don’t see this being a widely adopted footprint outside of factory glocks. It’s a single optic with a more complex footprint that doesn’t actually solve any actual issue. Doesn’t scream a successful new footprint imo, but I obviously could be wrong.
Ian, Thank you for covering this. You are so good at explaining this stuff for beginners I was wondering if you’d ever do a primer for beginners on different firearms actions (ex. closed vs open bolt) and their advantages/disadvantages on accuracy and other characteristics (felt recoil)?
Quite fitting seeing as the swedish army was one of the first to adopt the glock in 88 a few years after the first aimpoints were made in south sweden. O and the glock was apparantly chosen because it could handle the extra hot submachinegun ammo for the kpist m45 that had killed of the lathi pistols and forced the army to dig out old huskvarna m1907 pistols from mobilization storage
The ski boot-like interface is the biggest advantage of this mounting standard. If the standard could be made open, it seems like a good option for a “universal standard” like MLOK. The backing of Glock due to their market share and could pressure other manufacturers to offer it after the exclusivity period.
I was impressed by Primary Arms' new red dot, with it's chassis system that doesn't care what red dot cut you have. THIS, however, is probably going to be the new industry standard. I would not be surprised of some companies not only make mounting plates for it, but if red dot manufacturer's redesign their red dot offerings for this cut. I'm very eager to see where this goes.
Yeah unless the manufacturers can get together with Aimpoint like Glock did to offer a premanufactured A cut, you'd lose the benefit of cowitnessing sights and low dot acquisition level.
3:38 Hasn’t that already been a thing for a while? Pretty sure that’s what my holosun pistol optics are doing. Notably I haven’t seen anything different from my EPS carry, at least from a hardware perspective.
The three orthogonal flat planes to orient this is smart. The three non orthogonal planes on Pic rail only repeatedly align to parallel with the rail, but moving stuff forwards and back is a feature there. This needs a 3 D freeze given the recoil lug the front plane forms.
Ya know..... this kind of begs the question.... why not just make it a picatinny system? Or similar....i think the cross cuts would need to be shallower to clear the inner workings... But you may be on to something!
@ yes, or even the Arca standard, which this looks closer to in dimension. I suspect this “complete Glock only for 12 months” will backfire as the industry will just settle on a more universal standard.
This is quite exciting. I like the fact they're preparing for mass production, the partnership with Glock definitely enabled expectations of big sales.
As an opto-mechanical design engineer I often need to move small optics in micron increments. With modern machining like EDM there's some cool tricks to I increase mechanical advantage cheaply. Enjoy your work!
M3.5 screws are tougher than M3 MOS screws, but still kinda small. I wish they'd drilled holes through from the underside and threaded the bolts into the wedge/sight, so it's not possible to break screws off into holes in the slide.
As they are securing a wedge, it redirects part of the force to stress the screws in tension, which they're way better at resisting than sheering forces
The SIG-loc footprint (military one) does both. They have a wedge in front and then a single screw that comes from above the striker inside (the striker housing keeps the screw from coming into the channel). There was a Texas DPS test that showed it was extremely good for impact resistance.
@@abcdefghijkl123454 That's true, but I do wonder if these will work loose over time without vertical recoil lug surfaces. Even thermal cycling from getting the gun hot will vary the screw tension, on top of them seeing part of the recoil load.
Are you talking like a lead type car battery clamp? . Where the 2 nuts are recessed into the lead? . If ya snap the bolt... simply replace the bolt and nut VS Drill and re-tap lol . . Sorry, I'm a car mechanic
This design is brilliant. Like you said on current mounts, the screws are doing all the work. Even with the best screws AND Loctite it seems a little flimsy. Look at how much the structure supports the stability here. not just the toe, but the rails along the side. That looks like a mount you don't need to worry about yanking the sight off because of a bad draw angle.
I'm not sure if the screws are doing the work in all designs. There are at least a couple that have lugs of various sizes which serve to keep the optic in place and take stress off the screws. I'm thinking of the Walther mounting plate in particular because when it came out originally, they got a lot of crap from consumers because the original design had the screws taking **all** the stress.
Hey! A narrow red dot! Just like the other guys make! With an adjustment…just like all the other guys make! Yowza! Gotta admit though, the mounting system is a cool development.
Just like with Cars, yes this and that Brand makes a V8 Engine or they all make an Infotainment System or they all have a Mechanism that makes the Ride very smooth Its the same Idea and Technology in a Way, but one Brand makes it much better than others. Just drive a BMW over a 100 Potholes and then drive a Ford over 100 Potholes and then tell me which felt nicer. I'm pretty sure the Swedish Product is better than a Product that is much cheaper from another Brand that also has a narrow Red Dot and an Adjustment
@@andersmalmgren6528You've never even held this optic, let alone tested it enough to claim that. Until it's put through public trials and enough time has passed, it's just marketing.
Looking forward to the T.Rex Arms and Garand Thumb torture tests. One will give numerical values determining just how much better or worse the system is the the other test will show practically how the system will hold up in various combat and self defense uses. Both will be important in determining whether it will be worth it or not to get this system or to continue outfitting will current market standards.
The poor reported performance of the ACRO is exactly why I skipped aimpoint for my pistol dots and went with the EPS series. Aimpoint even lost to Holosun on my DD, HE515 is a titanium body and has multiple reticles vs the T2. Couldn't justify the 500$ price difference for something that performs as well for my use case
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I dont know why, but ive got a vibe that the automatic adjustment to the brightness is gonna screw someone over, they'll set it to what they want, only to bring it out and find their red dot is dimmed all the way automatically leaving them to either guestimate their shots, or politely ask whoever they need to shoot to wait as they unlock their guns sight and change the setting back up to what they remember it being.
yeah, I'm not familiar with optics but I'd rather have it be more simple or near the safety catch so you'd activate it while flipping the safety off all in one motion or something
I keep my red dot at one level below max. Batteries are cheap (in the context of firearms), and I just replace mine every three months. The last thing I want to do on an emergency situation on a sunny day is pull out my gun and have to push a button on the side a few times.
As a mechanical idiot. I love your explanations on any weapon or accessory you do. Old and new, love the info! To others points, the firearms world is bit occluded at times, with only a few people knowing about a device or project which makes it hard to get info on, even on newer things they are trying to sell!
I already see pre-orders on the internet. I saw one for $834.00 for G48 and the optic by a major vendor. That is is good price it were retail. One still have to handle shipping, FFL services, and background check along with state sales tax.
Cool system. I'm looking forward to seeing if any other companies adopt that mounting style of if Brownells is going to make a killing on the aftermarket slides.
Would they really just all be one universal mounting already? And i foresee it will be red dot without that physical housing. Until then, all i see are infant stage prototypes. 🤠
whats that? you want 2 more mounting systems? why would you ask for 3 more mounting systems? alright, we'll come out with 4 more mounting systems like you asked
THANK YOU IAN for this video. When i first saw COA i immediately thought "oh look, yet another footprint for an overpriced and underwhelming optic", but hearing about the changes to manufacturing process, prices and potential of the footprint itself, i'm excited!
Aimpoint's video: **buzz words and slow mo shooting flinch** Ian's video: **actually sells the advancements** (Poor guy in Aimpoint's video, having them use that clip, his friends'll never let him live that down.)
Thank God someone has developed a sight with brightness settings compatible with my hobby, which is firing rounds directly into the Sun.
Thanks for protecting us from the sun Jimmy Carter
Thank you for your service sir
Since October I would have thought you shoot mainly - if at all - vertically up…
How about a weapon light being aimed at you? Though, I will agree you can’t exactly plan for that in the moment and make the adjustment.
Ah, so there are shooting sports in heaven. Cool. The sun seems like kind of an easy target, but I guess you only just got there.
Way better explanation of this optic does then the Aimpoint release video.
Like normal. He always explains better then anyone.
Aim point was too busy jerking themselves off to explain what the fuck the footprint was lmao
*than
No surprise, given how tedious it is to find product specs on their website.
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Ian is like that amazing teacher we all had in school that made us love whatever topic they were teaching.
As a mechanical engineer I always appreciate using geometry to solve a problem. However it should be noted that there is still definitely a force on those screws when firing, but it will be a vertical force pulling perpendicularly to the threads rather than a sheering force applied perpendicularly to the bolt shank. This will reduce the 'tilt' between the male and female threads, which is what typically causes fatigue cracking of threadlocker allowing the bolts to loosen..
YUP. Loading screws in tension is far better than loading them in shear, but they're still getting loaded during firing.
Isnt the amount of force reduced this way, though? It seems (to the admittedly non engineer types like myself...) that the majority of the force would be transmitted directly to the slide through the clip, in line with the slide. So the clip screws would carry a force load for certain, but only for holding the clip down under force, not holding the weight of the red dot itself.
@@leewilkinson6372 The recoil force of the optic is being transferred into the slide through a pair (technically two pair, but whatever) of ramps. These ramps do not transfer the force purely longitudinally, but impart a vertical load on the screw during recoil, as the ramps try to pull the screw out of its hole. The load isn't really "less", it's just better directed, in a way that screws are actually meant to take, repeatedly. The ramp angle also determines how much "up" force there is, vs "rear" force, for a given recoil force. Everything is a tradeoff.
Lots of dots had divots that did the "same", red dot designers aren't dumb
Here’s an idea. Let’s not use optics at all and shoot irons like we did for literally centuries. No screws to shear off and no batteries to replace.
Impressive, very nice. Let’s see Primary Arms’ optic system.
PSA as in "Paul S. Allen" 😉
My God it even has a watermark...
PSA is dogshit 💩
I think that you meant Primary Arms.
For $800 it better touch me where my wife does. Insane price point and I think it’ll be dead on arrival.
6:46 Finally, the 50 MOA dot
I'll finally find the reddot on my pistol
Aimpoint BSOB: Broad Side of Barn
When aimpoint hear people were struggling to find the dot on their pistols.
@@Kaze919minute of barn
Us bad shots can blame the sights again!!!
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"My front sight is too small and rear notch too big"
To the modern version, which is
"My red dot too big"
Lol
Ian as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't matter if the gun is historical or forgotten, any weapon you choose to look at is just fine. Just please keep it up, I start my day with your videos regardless of the subject.
Yup, Gun Jesus: Old Testament or New Testament. Doesn't matter.
He's already making hte forgotten weapon videos for people in 100 years, to look back and see these forgotten "new" guns we had back today.
Eventually he will have gotten his grabby little mitts on every weapon ever made, and there will only be new developments to cover....
You start your day with gun videos?
Yeah that's weird, bro
This is honestly better than the video Aimpoint themselves put out
I work behind the LE Glock counter and have already been asked for this.
Thank you for the complete explanation on how it works!
This is clearly a long term investment by Glock/aimpoint towards military/LE. I know if I was arming beat cops durability and not having guns coming back to the armory with an RMR missing is a high priority…
Lol. The actual aimpont video had me thinking it was a bottom mounted battery. I love how Ian does better marketing than an actual commercial.
I do not see how you thought that. More than one person stated that it “had a bottom mounted battery.” I thought they were NPC Bots. I was wrong. 😶
@@WDLC1911 It was that virtual disassembly scene where the battery came out the bottom. Easy to get the wrong impression.
When showing a red dot on a camera you can focus on something far away and turn off auto focus and then put the dot infront of the camera and it will show up normally
Pretty much. Just use the same principal when utilizing them. Focus on the target lol.
Aimpoint did themselves a huge favor "letting" Ian make this video...
Massive. 😊
For reaaal
Given Ian’s convenient memory lapse about all the other companies that make adjustable emitters, rather than tubes, along with his interesting optimism about yet another slide cut standard becoming THE standard, I suspect Ian is the one who got the many-digit “favor” (At least, if he’s going to read off a marketing sheet for a product, rather than think critically for his review, you’d at least hope he got paid the standard rate).
Edit: oh also bragging about the way Aimpoint has automated manufacturing. Welcome to the 21st century, I guess… (for better or worse, depending on how important that hand-fitting is to getting a quality product)
@@Florkl The most thought-out comment I have read on recent memory. Have a good day, friend.
@@Florkl This would be against youtube terms of service to receive a payment without disclosing it. This is a serious accusation to be making.
The first thought I had on this was "that mounting system looks like something from an early 1930s French rifle". So of course Ian likes it a lot.
Far older than that. Wedges? Think Alexandria, Syracuse, Archimedes, ancient Greece, some 500 B. C. Probably even older then that.
13:00 the automation was an answer to the ACRO P2 having horrid glue and allowing ingress of debris in between the lenses.
The COA's adjustment system (moving the emitter) is the same as every other pistol red dot besides the Acro, which was weird.
Yeah, the Trijicon RMR pioneered that IIRC. It makes sense because you can buildca degree of shock absorption into the adjustment mechanism instead of beating the emitter to death over time or having a heavier glass lens or reflector itself move (like a T-2, etc.)
@@mrkeogh I think you may be right; that C More thing that came earlier also had a weird system that moved the entire sight to adjust aim
@@barnbwt ye, the cmore had a compliant mechanism in the frame of the dot itself to move the glass and change the zero
Yes, the glass, the emitter was actually stuck still
@@mrkeogh The JPoint and Docter did that long before the RMR
Even cheap $30 airsoft red dots have this kind of adjustment.
look! it's not a long ass tube from aimpoint, WERE SO BACK
The longer the tube the less parallax error. I agree they’re uglier but they serve a purpose
@@BarrackObamna theres no parallax on an unmagnified optic. Height over bore doesn't change based on tube length.
@@smnkm4ehfer Yes, 1x red dots can and do have parallax.
@ there is, lmfao look it up don’t argue what you don’t know. That’s hilarious that you think that
@@smnkm4ehfer microdots have significantly more parallax error than a tube dot. Just do your own research I don’t have time for ignorance
Swede here! I think that one of the reasons why AimPoint developed this optic, and also made it compact is that Swedish Police recently adopted the Glock 45 :) good to see my nation innovating again!
Greetings from Norrbotten and TIL Aimpoint's one of ours! Malmöiter också, sepåfan.
As someone living in America that had a 100 percent Norwegian Grandmother, I can’t wait to visit the Scandinavian countries someday. Maybe I’ll get to tour Aimpoint.
@skoolynugenator1802 Welcome, Welcome!
Unlikely that these are particularly related - if they already adopted the G45, then it had to be with a pre-existing slide, either the standard one or the MOS cut, and it's not like they'll just replace all the slides now.
@wurfyy not now, but there are reasons to believe that our SWAT and other High-speed Low-Drag boys might be getting these :)
That attachment mechanism is lovely and elegant.
15:00 “There are 14 competing standards. We need a unified standard.”
“There are 15 competing standards.”
This is super cool, but it still needs a unique slide cut that is incompatible with all the other slide cuts- except you can’t even use a conversion plate.
Good. Banish conversion plates to hell where they belong
Who cares? Who is going to spend this much on an optics setup and cry because it doesn’t fit their spare holosun
@@brandonb6164 thats not the issue, the issue is none of their current guns fit it. Your example would make more sense if you said "doesnt fit their spare glock"
The cost limiting factor will be getting the guns milled for this optic.
@ A 200 dollar milling job is nothing for people buying a 800 aluminum box
@@brandonb6164It’s more that he’s talking as if this will be the universal industry standard, unifying all the manufacturers, and that rarely happens. Usually “The new universal industry standard” just becomes another industry standard. It’s become a joke at this point, as seen in the xkcd comic I quoted.
People will totally buy it, much like people have bought all the other industry standards, but that was irrelevant to my point.
One correction Ian, the rear screws require 18 inch pounds, not foot pounds.
Maybe he *really* doesn't want that thing coming off.
Nope! Send it at 18ft lbs I want to see what happens
@@hoilst265 I suspect 18ft/lbs would snap those screws so it would be falling off.
Proper freedom units. Inch pounds are for vegans. :D
@@mattw7949inch pounds are related to foot pounds. Perhaps you’re thinking of newton meters? They’re definitely vegan.
Lots of whining online about yet another footprint, but I think this is a step forward in pistol optics. Putting the recoil stress on the slide itself rather than the mounting screws is a wise engineering solution.
Plus, ~$1k isn’t really that outrageous for a brand new Glock and Aimpoint that are already set to go from the factory with no need for aftermarket plates or cutting.
Until you don't want a Glock, then what? I seriously doubt manufacturers are going to want to retool just to accommodate for a single product that's already obsolete compared to what holosun has done.
Whining about a footprint? Who would whine when presented with a perfect excuse to buy a whole new pistol... 😁
The Tucker auto does come to mind when seeing this.
@@oni_goroshi Lmao Holosun doesn't come anywhere close to the quality of manufacturers like Aimpoint or Trijicon. Stop with the "just as good" BS.
@alexz5336 they don't have to be as good or even close, they just have to do the job well, which they do.
8:50 You said "18 ft lb of torque?"
Did you mean 18 in lb?
That's a LOT of torque for those bolts.
I like the lock up grooves, but it's adding another footprint.
We need the industry to standardize to just two or three footprints.
Break out the 3/8" clicker! And if you need to drive out a roll pin, make sure to use a 5lbs maul swung as hard as you can 😄
You guys don't install optics with power tools? Must be nice having all that free time
I think Primary Arms came up with the solution.
It has to be 18 in•lbs, 18 ft•lbs would shear bolts that size even if they were made of a high strength Chromoly.
Was going to say the same thing
I love the videos on older stuff, I also like that you made this one on the newer stuff! Awesome as usual
The beauty in this design is its lockup is geometric and not really reliant on screws yes it has the rear sight that clamps down but that’s it. It’s really just holding pressure. Huge leap forward in mounting design.
It probably could have been done with no screws if they wanted to just dove tail it
With Aimpoint being a Swedish company, I'd almost venture a guess that their absurd brightness is because of snow rather than desert climates. Clear, sunny days after a fresh snow can be incredibly bright in the winter with both the sunlight and reflected light from the snow.
The wedge designs is a really good idea. On all other mounts with alignment pins there is always some sideways play because there has to be some tolerance there to make sure it fits with the machining tolerance of the sight and the slide cut. So they don't return perfectly to zero sideways when taking them on and off. But with the wedge design they will always return perfectly to zero no matter how loose the machining tolerances is on the sight or the slide cut.
Highest brightness you get is in snow with clear skies.
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Your intro made me think about how much worse off I'd be, if you ONLY covered "forgotten weapons".
That would have been a real waste of your abilities.
Thanks for the videos!
Back when I had my vision, I preferred carrying internal-hammer revolvers as my CCW of choice, but this is still really cool! Great video! I appreciate the occasional "current developments" primer.
I bett this is all youre gonna see from Glock at shot show 2025.
They have a new gun mounted light that works on all Glocks except the 43x/48. It is MUCH better than their first attempt.
(GTL II).
Well its something different for glock and a good product that is idiot friendly for law enforcement....
Nope the Gen 6 is coming out. What’s new? Metal sights 😎
@@AlanToon-fy4hgI honestly wish they’d just stick to guns and mags. Maybe performance triggers for slim line if that’s your jazz. Like leaving this optic to aim point was a much better idea than going the route Sig did. Release the Romeo 1, Romeo 1 pro and Romeo zero that were all garbage and unreliable and you lose credibility and then finally figure it out with the M17, Romeo X/enclosed.
@@skoolynugenator1802 My guess is same gun as gen5 but with finger grooves
This combo is actually a good value. You're getting a $550 glock with a better optic cut and a $400 Acro gen 3.
An optic that isn't proven that can end up being just as bad as the p2 though
Really enjoyed this overview of the optic along with an explanation of how this moves forward firearm technology.
I didn't know Aimpoint is based in Sweden, interesting.
Ian getting into optics is pretty cool. Been waiting for it since the videos on the Sig Romeo and I hope he cover some retro glass as well like the first ACOG and how revolutionary it was.
(10:06) Screws should never experience sheer forces. If they do, you (or the person developing the screw connection) did something wrong. Screws bring two surfaces so tight together, that the friction force takes all the load. (Same with rivets). That's also the reason why you need torque wrenches for every precision screw connection (so you actually reach the necessary friction forces without over tightening the system or create the chance for material fatique)
BOOM! engineered.
Love this content, actually very useful for someone that works in a related industry to get good explanations of new innovations from someone that isn't a sales rep.
Pretty cool Aimpoint is working with more manufacturers to offer complete packages. The PA state police, and I believe an element of the Bundeswehr, recently adopted the Walther PDP that is direct milled for the Acro P2. Given Glocks ubiquity, I’d imagine many more departments, agencies, and normal people will go this “all in one” route.
That is what agencies want. The system appears to be much more "cop proof" than the others on the market....
Unforgotten video on the Forgotten Weapons YT Channel - even if it’s for a future weapon which once might become forgotten 😊 - overall you need an in depth knowledge to explain in simple words a complex issue - this is what Ian does …. 👍👏
Cool innovations by Glock and Aimpoint.
I’d bet money the entire innovation part of things was aimpoint’s doing
I lived in Arizona for a year-ish when I was 9/10 years old, I'm sixty-nine now and I still will not walk on blacktop pavement barefoot. It was a quick and long-lasting lesson. Jim Y
I have been putting off adding a red dot sight to my pistol for various reasons: different/confusing mounting requirements, cost, etc. A single-shop, package offer like this is exactly what I need to adopt this technology. Thank you, Ian!
Plenty of options in this space already, and typically for less money. Holosun has direct mount options for the SCS for Sigs, CZs, Glocks and others and you can often find them as a package deal. And it still leaves open the option for using a plate to try a different option down the line if you decide to.
This is a priority footprint that solves a problem that didn’t actually exist. I’m not saying this harshly toward you, I’m just letting you know there’s other options already on the market that don’t lock you into a proprietary footprint or only one manufacturer.
You are in the same boat as a lot of people. It takes hours of research to figure out the best and most cost effective way to get a RDS on your gun. Even with plate systems. And after all that you have to buy a torque driver and play amateur gunsmith to put it all together. Aimpoint just made it a no brainier for the most popular handgun on the market and the only one a HUGE percentage of people and agencies will trust their lives to with an RDS that is the only brand or 1 of 2 brands that those same people and agencies would even consider trusting as well. I bet M&Ps are going to come with COAs too in a year. Aimpoint are going to make a lot of money with these and just getting a gun with a COA or other RDS using the A-mount already on it is going to be the standard going forward. This is the beginning of the end for expensive milling and complicated plate systems and figuring out a multitude of mounts for pistol red dots. It is a big step forward for the industry.
What are you talking about? There are TONS of handguns that come paired with red dots already on the market. In fact, they've been there for years.
This is still just another different mounting requirement. A cool one, don’t get me wrong, but nothing you couldn’t get from any other gun that was factory milled and sold with the optic already installed. Its only benefit is durability, and 99% of civilians are not going to put an optic-mount-breaking amount of ammo through their gun.
Honestly that's probably the smart way to go. It's only logical that eventually there is going to be a standard of handgun red dot mounts.
Really appreciate your coverage of new stuff Ian, you give us the facts without clickbait and trying to sell it to us. I'm interested in these but will probably wait, so I can put it on something other than a Glock. Not holding my breath, but really hope Beretta will mill cuts in their 80x for these someday!
Primary Arms has just introduced their own in house enclosed emiter red dot sight. It comes with a chassis system. And, it brings the bottom of the sight flush with the surface of the slide. It also has 4 screws to lock down the sight, for stability on all axis. It would be nice to compare the two.
I think all the talk about the screw sheer strength is marketing Fud. Sure some have experienced the issue. Across the board if true, Everyone's dot would be falling off. I'm looking at the HTX1 as well.
@@lenholt7419it is objectively true that using screws for fastening rather than a solid lug will introduce weakness and stress concentration around those holes. It makes sense for the 40,000 round endurance; there will be accumulated deformation around those screw holes due to bearing stresses. For the average person, it's not likely applicable.
@@lenholt7419 It's interesting that two optics manufacturers have gone about a redesign in different ways. Aimpoint went with 2 screws and a grooved mounting system. And PA went with 4 screws and a chassis plate system. With Aimpoint, you have to buy a Glock with the COA mounted or wait a year for other pistol manufacturers to come onboard. With PA, you may have to wait 3 more months. And, be able to buy their HTX 1 for any pistol. Which includes the Glock MOD plate. And, considering that PA's optic is almost half the cost of Aimpoints. If PA's optic stands up to testing. PA may have an advantage.
@@lenholt7419 ive had a dot fly off due to a sheered screw. It sucks. Its not just a myth or rare. If you shoot enough it will happen
@@charlotteblackman429 I think the answer is in the middle. PA will have the advantage with civilians, Aimpoint is going for the Military/LEO angle.
The "wedge" needs to be "springy" or elastic to maintain pressure over wide design temperature range.
Forgotten weapons to Forefront weapons
Im watching both if Ian is the one making them. Maybe the new working title could be forever weapons. Old, current or new thats ok with me👍
Really cool. What I can't wait for is in 5 years every company will have their own proprietary version of this and it's still a pain in the butt to match up cuts with optics.
Seriously though I really do like that it's taking the stress off those micro screws in a normal mount.
I think the real test is going to be whether or not other optics manufacturers can use this footprint. Like until a manufacturer like holosun can make these at a truly affordable price, I don't know that these will be able to take over the market. I guess it also depends on what the price point for the aim point is, which is something I guess we'll find out in a few weeks
It would be interesting to see if anyone takes advantage of this mounting system. Worst comes to worst, someone makes another optic plate so people can use whatever they want.
@@soggybiscuits9399 agreed, but it's probably under patent protection for the next decade, so they'd have to license it
@@MobiuSphere Won't stop Chinese ripoff merchants like Holosun
This mounting footprint will be the next keymod. It will phase out in a year.
@@MobiuSphere The video mentioned that the mounting system was restricted for a year only.
After that time so would I expect both other gun and sight manufacturer to do some adaptation, if this turns out popular.
I really like this footprint and low mounting.
Welcome to Sweden Ian!
The improvements in mounting and battery life are particularly impressive, especially for those of us who rely on reliable optics for precision shooting.
I’m interested if this cut system will become an industry standard moving forward.
Is it open source?
@ I don’t think so. Ian stated that the AimPoint/Glock partnership is a 12 month exclusive. Perhaps it will move toward licensing to the patent afterward. Can’t turn a profit if it’s open source. I have a feeling this is the way forward for optics mounting.
@@OldManAzeban
It won’t grab hold.
Until an optic mounting solution akin to the Mlok system with a free license comes along, it won’t grab the market. You’ve got to have a universally applicable design that both integrates optics and allows for various slide designs.
@@OldManAzeban It sounded to me like that Aimpoint COA itself is exclusive, you'll only be able to get the optic if you buy a glock that has one attached. Nothing said about the mounting system.
That said I'm thinking about handguns that are very narrow at the top like the VP9 and PPQ, and if they'll be compatable with the cuts.
@ I think a ton of manufacturers would remedy optic mounting problems with the A-Cut. The depth of the cut itself is the only thing they have to account for; versus the tolerance stacking for the combination of the cut, plate system, and depth of the hardware affixment type. The rear wedge of the A-Cut that locks the optic in is where the screws wouldn’t impede in the function of the internals of the firearm, like traditional plate systems. I’m sure it’ll be the acquiring the licensing rights that manufacturers will be contingent.
This is awesome. If it holds up I can see this taking over this being the mandatory optic mount for handguns
I hope it does. It looks like no-brainer simplicity and durability. Then again, we've seen beautiful designs that were the best come and go in the past.. (HK P7 anyone?)
I'm always happy to see anything Technology-wise coming out of Sweden. It doesn't happen too often, but when it does, it's usually always great!
Whether it's Weaponry, Cars, Fighter Jets, other Technology and sometimes even Food! (Surströmming however was rather underwhelming and not as good as Icelandic Hakarl - don't take that in Anger my Swedish Friends)
Prost & Cheers from the Snow-Covered Berchtesgaden in the Bavarian Alps
I think when you mean Food, in the case of Surströmming you mean chemical weapons.
@@Hosenfuhrer
I still find it hilarious that somehow the "Fermented Shark" from Iceland was way less disgusting than Surströmming, even though the Hakarl is basically just hanged in an open Wooden Shed for a long Time, while Surströmming is produced under strict Controls
But yes, Chemical Weapons and War Crime against me as a German fits the Bill!
Wie geht's in Berchtesgaden? Die letzte Mal dass ich dort war war in Dezember und es hat geregnet. Aber eine schöne Gebiet!
@@Lowtiercomputer
Sehr viel Schnee, aber ich lebe etwas den Berg hoch etwas außerhalb. Aber immernoch schön!
Hope you enjoyed your Time here, come back any Time!
Ian McCollum is a national treasure. Keep it going, man.
This looks way more complicated to cut which I think will be a barrier for adoption. I don't know that this cut is possible on slides without a lot of vertical real estate like the cz75.
I like the idea of it but that was my concern as well....
Once the dimensions are released to manufacturers, CNC machines handle the job no problem.
I think you're right about temperature machining complexity.
It seems like it actually leaves more material over the striker channel and etc than a traditional cut. It'll be interesting to see which hmguns it can't work on.
A Tri Top slide may present some challenges. Anyone can make a plan but can they execute it. The execution is in the details. I guess we'll find out in a year or less.
To be honest, I don’t see this being a widely adopted footprint outside of factory glocks. It’s a single optic with a more complex footprint that doesn’t actually solve any actual issue. Doesn’t scream a successful new footprint imo, but I obviously could be wrong.
Ian, Thank you for covering this. You are so good at explaining this stuff for beginners I was wondering if you’d ever do a primer for beginners on different firearms actions (ex. closed vs open bolt) and their advantages/disadvantages on accuracy and other characteristics (felt recoil)?
Bold statement saying this is going to become the industry standard.
Thanks Ian. Fine work as ever.
Hit us with the Todd Howard “It just works.”
Quite fitting seeing as the swedish army was one of the first to adopt the glock in 88 a few years after the first aimpoints were made in south sweden.
O and the glock was apparantly chosen because it could handle the extra hot submachinegun ammo for the kpist m45 that had killed of the lathi pistols and forced the army to dig out old huskvarna m1907 pistols from mobilization storage
18 foot pounds of torque. Glock and Aimpoint making sure that's staying put by going full send with the impact gun.
Probably inch pound. LoL 😂
The ski boot-like interface is the biggest advantage of this mounting standard. If the standard could be made open, it seems like a good option for a “universal standard” like MLOK. The backing of Glock due to their market share and could pressure other manufacturers to offer it after the exclusivity period.
You should check out the new primary arms optic, the HTX-1. If you can.
I will be
@ sweet.
I was impressed by Primary Arms' new red dot, with it's chassis system that doesn't care what red dot cut you have. THIS, however, is probably going to be the new industry standard. I would not be surprised of some companies not only make mounting plates for it, but if red dot manufacturer's redesign their red dot offerings for this cut. I'm very eager to see where this goes.
Yeah unless the manufacturers can get together with Aimpoint like Glock did to offer a premanufactured A cut, you'd lose the benefit of cowitnessing sights and low dot acquisition level.
3:38 Hasn’t that already been a thing for a while? Pretty sure that’s what my holosun pistol optics are doing. Notably I haven’t seen anything different from my EPS carry, at least from a hardware perspective.
The three orthogonal flat planes to orient this is smart. The three non orthogonal planes on Pic rail only repeatedly align to parallel with the rail, but moving stuff forwards and back is a feature there. This needs a 3 D freeze given the recoil lug the front plane forms.
It’s basically upside down picatinny. Very clever.
Ya know..... this kind of begs the question.... why not just make it a picatinny system?
Or similar....i think the cross cuts would need to be shallower to clear the inner workings...
But you may be on to something!
@ yes, or even the Arca standard, which this looks closer to in dimension. I suspect this “complete Glock only for 12 months” will backfire as the industry will just settle on a more universal standard.
@@leewilkinson6372 509T is basically a miniature picatinny.
@@leewilkinson6372 Too much added bulk, especially for a concealed carry pistol.
@atomicsmith agreed. That's the potential downside for sure.
Really neat, thanks for the run down Ian
I like that "Forgotten Weapons" has begun to include cutting edge new tech like this and the Alien
I'm sure they'll be forgotten some day
This is quite exciting. I like the fact they're preparing for mass production, the partnership with Glock definitely enabled expectations of big sales.
As an opto-mechanical design engineer I often need to move small optics in micron increments. With modern machining like EDM there's some cool tricks to I increase mechanical advantage cheaply. Enjoy your work!
Amazing and very informative video! All the questions that I could have for a red dot that are usually left unanswered!
M3.5 screws are tougher than M3 MOS screws, but still kinda small. I wish they'd drilled holes through from the underside and threaded the bolts into the wedge/sight, so it's not possible to break screws off into holes in the slide.
As they are securing a wedge, it redirects part of the force to stress the screws in tension, which they're way better at resisting than sheering forces
The SIG-loc footprint (military one) does both. They have a wedge in front and then a single screw that comes from above the striker inside (the striker housing keeps the screw from coming into the channel). There was a Texas DPS test that showed it was extremely good for impact resistance.
@@abcdefghijkl123454 That's true, but I do wonder if these will work loose over time without vertical recoil lug surfaces. Even thermal cycling from getting the gun hot will vary the screw tension, on top of them seeing part of the recoil load.
@@barnbwtdon’t mean to sound condescending but, that’s why you use loctite.
Are you talking like a lead type car battery clamp?
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Where the 2 nuts are recessed into the lead?
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If ya snap the bolt... simply replace the bolt and nut
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Drill and re-tap lol
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Sorry, I'm a car mechanic
That mounting solution is awesome. I hope CZ puts that design on the Shadow when the exclusion ends
That would be a bad optic choice for a competition gun.
@@ad89590 I meant the mount, not the optic itself, if there's going to be other optic choices in the future of course
This design is brilliant. Like you said on current mounts, the screws are doing all the work. Even with the best screws AND Loctite it seems a little flimsy. Look at how much the structure supports the stability here. not just the toe, but the rails along the side. That looks like a mount you don't need to worry about yanking the sight off because of a bad draw angle.
I'm not sure if the screws are doing the work in all designs. There are at least a couple that have lugs of various sizes which serve to keep the optic in place and take stress off the screws. I'm thinking of the Walther mounting plate in particular because when it came out originally, they got a lot of crap from consumers because the original design had the screws taking **all** the stress.
Great video as usual. Looking forward to trying one of these out.
Hey! A narrow red dot! Just like the other guys make! With an adjustment…just like all the other guys make! Yowza! Gotta admit though, the mounting system is a cool development.
This one can take more punishment than the others
Just like with Cars, yes this and that Brand makes a V8 Engine or they all make an Infotainment System or they all have a Mechanism that makes the Ride very smooth
Its the same Idea and Technology in a Way, but one Brand makes it much better than others.
Just drive a BMW over a 100 Potholes and then drive a Ford over 100 Potholes and then tell me which felt nicer.
I'm pretty sure the Swedish Product is better than a Product that is much cheaper from another Brand that also has a narrow Red Dot and an Adjustment
@@andersmalmgren6528You've never even held this optic, let alone tested it enough to claim that. Until it's put through public trials and enough time has passed, it's just marketing.
But look underneath the BMW and watch the coolant start to drip.
China always gets to the market first and worse
That looks really promising! I look forward to when they start offering replacement slides for other models to make them compatible.
Interesting
But I already have a Gen 3 Glock 17 and a Ruger RXM
So I would have to get a new slide or buy a new pistol
IMO a BAD way to sell a product
the video i was waiting for. probably price wont make sense for most but law enforcement and military will love this.
Another footprint. Great.
I understand your view on this. That said, this does seem to be a significant improvement.
Super cool to see as a Swede, hopefully this brings Aimpoint down in price enough for it to become even more massive.
I feel like you only adjust zeroing in two dimensions? 😊
Yeah, I caught that too.
@oni_goroshi aren't we fun
Burris also has a compact dot for micro pistols. It’s pretty impressive for the cost.
Nice!
Looking forward to the T.Rex Arms and Garand Thumb torture tests. One will give numerical values determining just how much better or worse the system is the the other test will show practically how the system will hold up in various combat and self defense uses. Both will be important in determining whether it will be worth it or not to get this system or to continue outfitting will current market standards.
As long as this new optic holds up better then the ACRO, this does seem like a good value
*than
Got my popcorn ready for the challenging beat down testing by Aaron at Sage Dynamics.
The poor reported performance of the ACRO is exactly why I skipped aimpoint for my pistol dots and went with the EPS series. Aimpoint even lost to Holosun on my DD, HE515 is a titanium body and has multiple reticles vs the T2. Couldn't justify the 500$ price difference for something that performs as well for my use case
We're in the Golden Age of Firearms. The technology, manufacturing, laws, and production have come together. It's created the opportunity for most people to afford dependable firearms with dependable accessories.
I haven't really been impressed by dots on a pistol until now , looks worth giving it a try and learning a new skill.
I dont know why, but ive got a vibe that the automatic adjustment to the brightness is gonna screw someone over, they'll set it to what they want, only to bring it out and find their red dot is dimmed all the way automatically leaving them to either guestimate their shots, or politely ask whoever they need to shoot to wait as they unlock their guns sight and change the setting back up to what they remember it being.
I have found that, more than not, automatic features are more of a nuisance, so it seems like a reasonable concern
yeah, I'm not familiar with optics but I'd rather have it be more simple or near the safety catch so you'd activate it while flipping the safety off all in one motion or something
I keep my red dot at one level below max. Batteries are cheap (in the context of firearms), and I just replace mine every three months. The last thing I want to do on an emergency situation on a sunny day is pull out my gun and have to push a button on the side a few times.
As a mechanical idiot. I love your explanations on any weapon or accessory you do. Old and new, love the info! To others points, the firearms world is bit occluded at times, with only a few people knowing about a device or project which makes it hard to get info on, even on newer things they are trying to sell!
I already see pre-orders on the internet. I saw one for $834.00 for G48 and the optic by a major vendor. That is is good price it were retail. One still have to handle shipping, FFL services, and background check along with state sales tax.
They should have made a much smaller version for the 43X/48.
Cool system. I'm looking forward to seeing if any other companies adopt that mounting style of if Brownells is going to make a killing on the aftermarket slides.
Would they really just all be one universal mounting already?
And i foresee it will be red dot without that physical housing.
Until then, all i see are infant stage prototypes.
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whats that? you want 2 more mounting systems? why would you ask for 3 more mounting systems? alright, we'll come out with 4 more mounting systems like you asked
@slantedhorses4233 Hahaha. Yes, that's what actually wish for, even though i said the opposite, but you between the lines. Good. Thanks.
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THANK YOU IAN for this video. When i first saw COA i immediately thought "oh look, yet another footprint for an overpriced and underwhelming optic", but hearing about the changes to manufacturing process, prices and potential of the footprint itself, i'm excited!
Ironic that forgotten weapons is covering this, because in 3 years this will be forgotten. Especially with PA's latest drop lol.
Thanks for donating this video to the gun conscious.
I predict cracking at the thinnest point on the slide next to the [extractor].
you mean extractor?
@@soggybiscuits9399 Yeah, lol. Half-asleep me should stop commenting!
loks suspect for sure
looks like a genuinely good product.
Aimpoint's video: **buzz words and slow mo shooting flinch**
Ian's video: **actually sells the advancements**
(Poor guy in Aimpoint's video, having them use that clip, his friends'll never let him live that down.)