This is the second sizing step in my case resizing process. After annealing, I run the cases through a Redding body die which sizes only the case body. Next is the Lee neck size collet die. First timers get repeated neck sizing's like you demonstrated here. Subsequent resizing's - just one or two passes with the LCD. I'm pleased with the results I see on my targets.
The Lee Collet up front cost is way less than even low end neck turning tools. Plus no loss of brass on the neck. I did not realize the Lee collet die could do this. You saved me from going down the neck turning rabbit hole. Thanks for posting this.
Been doing this for some time. I didn't know I just thought the collect would be a good idea after full length sizing. About the max I get one and half thought. Great video my man.
The best die I have ever used for my 243 is the lee classic loader - the one you hammer in! I use the Lee Neck Size on it for one ragged hole groups. But with the classic loader dye alone I still get less than 1/4 MOA
The Squirrel - You don't have to go around six times unless you are trying to get that last measure of neck thickness uniformity. For our factory rifles, 3x around is more than enough really.... Good shootin' to ya, Steve
appreciate the video, just picked one of these up for my sons 8mm Mauser, was having some neck tension problems while trying to reload some Sellier and Bellot brass, looks like this die will do even more than I expected and hoped for. Once again great video and tip, thanks!
Thanks for making another very informative video Cookie . What you didn’t mention in this video but I think you did mention in a previous video about the Lee Collet and uniform neck thickness is that the Lee Collet did doesn’t make the brass increase in length which is surprising to me . One would think that with all that pressure on the mandrel that the brass would flow forward and increase case length. Cheers 🍻
CSH - If you do the repeated collet work, you might indeed get .0005-.001" lengthening, but this doesn't cause a problem most of the time...I'm probably overdoing the number of compressions - 3xs around the case really should be enough...Good reloadin' to ya, Steve
Brass doesn't really flow, that's a bit of a misnomer, what actually happens is the body sticks to the chamber walls. Then the head stretches back to meet the bolt face. Adding whatever the rifles headspace was to the case (minus a little spring back) by only neck sizing them, after the first firing, they have almost zero room to stretch
You gotta love the goodness of the Lee Neck Collet Die. Yet there are Lee naysayers out there who complain and think Lee dies are no good because they're so inexpensive.
LH - Lee equipment has won matches. The reason Lee doesn't offer neck turning equipment is their Neck Size Collet Die is such an engineering wonder...Richard Lee was very proud of this for rifle shooters. For handgun shooters, he offered carbide dies at half the price of competition and the 6 cavity bullet molds. Have a great day, Steve
If Lee doesn't make collet dies for your cartridge you can send them 3 fired cases and 1 projectile and they will build you a custom collet die. I think the charge is like $70 and you get a seater to go with it. All the info. is on their website in the custom die section.
Unfortunately, as I write this, since about 2021, Lee withdrew this custom service. Which makes me and several of my rifles cry... Hopefully they will resume doing this next year in 2024.
The Collet die swages the necks and is one of the best innovations in reloading dies ever but brand name dudes never try them so they have no clue how inexpensively premium bench grade rounds can be made. Maybe we should just keep it to ourselves.
I use the collet die a lot, however after 4 sizings on the neck, you’ll have to full length size the size again. As with constant neck sizing, and shooting the shoulder doesn’t move. After a well the case doesn’t close very well within the chamber. Best to full length with minimum headspace so you maintain excellent chamber fit and you don’t over work or size the case too much. Collet did is excellent, as a fact of all the neck type dies out there. It’s the only one which does not stress the neck at all.
Hugh Johnston - Sometimes the need for FL sizing happens after 5 firings. And depending on our seating depth, we may very well get donuts in our case necks as well. Then comes the annealing procedures. I have just gotten away from all that by discarding the brass after 5 firings and get new brass. Starting with a batch of 200 rounds of brass, the 5 cycles is 1000 rounds of shooting. Plus, we get a good idea of number of rounds fired. After the second batch, the barrel is close to being burned out so a new barrel will be in the mix. Good shootin' to ya, Steve
Very informative and useful information !! As a side note, why do I have the image of a middle aged gentleman hunched over a bench making custom ammunition for two men in black suits and sunglasses in mid 1963 ? ;) :) Thanks for the video !
Excellent video. You're basically swaging the neck thickness to be even. I think you also did a video showing how the Lee Neck Collet reduces rumour on most cases... I guess measuring runout and neck wall thickness could be interelalet...if your cases don't have uniform neck wall thickness
Does this really make a difference for ammunition used for deer hunting? Excellent video and I get what you’re explaining. I use the Lee Collet dies and they work great.
On the Lee Press aftermarket sells a dail-in Torque wrench that gives you the ability to change the handle out and add a torque wrench made for lee and dial in the torque poundage on the collet you want without guessing! No more “go by feel” no more guessing what 25lbs feel like so you don’t have what you ended up with.... an improvement with “some”. Get them all back to .001 run out.
Now just a thought here, but wouldn’t running a case that many times in the die kinda work harden your case neck? I mean the constant squeezing on the brass, has to harden it some, due you’re compressing the brass. I could be wrong though, I’m no metallurgy specialist.
John Anderson - This is something I've done for quite a while, and you don't have to overdo this as I do...I just like the uniforming of my case necks (this is easy for you to confirm), plus, you only do it once, then after that, just collet neck size the usual way. As for work hardening, this is static compressive force, not dynamic moving of brass. No doubt, there may be some working of the brass, but I haven't seen any badness from doing this. After 5 firings, we just anneal to continue, perhaps we'll be FL sizing one time, perhaps removing donuts, etc. I don't bother with any of that as I just discard the brass and get new brass. Starting with 200 rounds of new brass, 5x, then buy 200 more rounds of brass = 2000 rounds (that's a lot of rifle shooting) - close to need for a new barrel. Good shootin' to ya, Steve
@@connerm4850 Cam over is far more repeatable and consistent than using the No. 1 Mk 1 arm gauge to do each case the same. If the manufacturer of your press didn't design it as a cam over type of press to start with, they would probably advise you not to do cam over when using such a press instead of yours. Whether using a cam over press or one that doesn't, you can still screw up with too much pressure. I do love these collet dies
So the cases are out of round and this die squeezes them round but, it will not remove unequal brass neck flow or bad case manufacturing. If the thickness of the neck brass has high and low spots and you feel that .002 or thicker in spots will effect flyers. You will need to neck turn to get rid of the brass, otherwise your just pushing it in an other direction , in the end bullet seating pressure and bullet grip will still be the same, tighter in some spots than others! Neck turn to make the necks concentric to brass thicknesses then, use the Lee collet sizer, that will make for a perfectly round and case thick mouth and you can controll neck tension for bullet grip..
FW - You don't want to do that with your FL die - reason is that with the Lee Collet Die doing static squeezing, you are not doing dynamic working of the brass. Your FL die actually dynamically works the brass (moves the brass with unsupported squeezing and stretching - that's what the expander ball does). The more FL sizing you do, the sooner you'll need to address annealing issues. The Lee Collet squeezes against a static supported mandrel - not the same thing we're getting. Good reloadin' to ya, Steve
there are litlle marks from the collet parts caused by pressing ,and that shows at the micro meter ,get a polisch with polisch paper and try the measuring again ,yours
AA - Once uniformed, those necks will only require the normal pass through the Lee Neck Size Collet and trimming as needed. Then the occasional full length resize (or bumping) and annealing if brass longevity is in the mix. Good reloadin' to ya, Steve
Fourtune cookie 45. Question off the topic but I think you will know the answer. How many lead ingots can you get from a full propane tank? Thanks. Chris.
Christopher Vogt - Tough one to answer, because it depends on the size of the ingot molds you are using and the number of times you flux the alloy. But it is a lot of 'em - and at $15 for a full propane tank, the energy is a bargain. Best to ya, Steve
Dear Mr Cookie. How did you set up that Collet die in your cam over Forster press. Lee instructions say contact plus 2 turns to prevent cam over.. You're rocking that cam! 🤣 I've liked many of your videos over time. I'm thinking of upgrading press, from rickety old floppy Lee to maybe a cam over. I usually just collet neck size, but use redding body die if Headspace adjustment needed. Thanks Mr Cookie
I've got neck sizing dies for my .223 & .308 from LEE that I have never used yet. I'm going to start right now. I have a Hornady concentricity set-up. So, once I get my case necks tuned to under .002 then it is okay to go on to the powder and flaring die then the seating die, and finally the crimping die? This is really good info. Thanks, FC.
Stinger45 - Yes to what yo lo is saying...rifle calibers do not need the powder and flare die and would not want to use it even if you had it. The neck tension is going to be fine after use of the Lee Neck Size Collet Die so debur the inside of the case neck and seat the bullet. We don't need to crimp unless we are shooting from lever gun or perhaps the semi-auto. Bolt guns need no crimp. BTW, the Hornady concentricity tool should not be used to "correct" run out as the force actually loses neck tension, and that is detrimental to accuracy. Best to use it to read the run out only. Best to ya, Steve
@@FortuneCookie45LC Thanks, Steve. I only use the Hornady for checking runout only. I have a competition seating die that keeps my runout inside of .002 for my .223 and .308.
The accuracy of your neck thickness consistency measurements rely a lot on perfect inside neck chamfering, deburring and cleaning. I'm sure you knew that though... Very interesting video. I understand the theory of case-jam but it makes me a tad nervous in some respects. What lube do you use on your rifles locking lugs? L.
Good afternoon good sir, this is totally unrelated perhaps, I have been watching your videos for a while now and I myself do a little reloading, and would like to ask the question since I know you will have the answer or just an idea of what is going on, where are all the primers? specially small pistol or rifle, I have been looking for a few days now and no luck, on line or at my reloading store in Sylmar CA. thank you for your time and have a wonderful day.
Hey, I got the answer for you right here, THE “CONTROLLA VIRUS” panic is why. You have everybody, their brother, sister, mother, grandma , grandpa, uncle, aunt, 1st through 6th cousins, etc buying guns, ammo, and reloading supplies. Ammunition manufacturers are running round the clock just to keep ammunition on the shelves. So a lot of their production is going towards ammunition and the primers being used for it. That’s why primers, and powder are in such short supply. That and the country was basically shut down for 3 months, so I’m sure ammunition manufacturers had reduced staff for social distance purposes, so that right there already put them behind. Thank the Demoncrat party, China, and fake news for creating fear and panic amongst the sheeple of the nation, all for political purposes to try and push for election fraud by means of “vote by mail”. EVERY FREEDOM LOVING AMERICAN NEEDS TO DEMAND THAT THERE BE ACTUAL IN PERSON VOTING AND NOT ALLOW THESE CLOWNS TO NEGATE OUR VOTE BY RIGGING ELECTIONS BY MAIL. Speak out against it, if they manage this you can kiss our democratic process goodbye. Sorry about the political rant, lol . But yeah that’s where the primers are, just too much demand for ammo right now so primers for the people are not at the top of the list. I tried telling everyone I know to buy ammo or whatever they needed over the past 4-5 years. It was Abundant and relatively cheap. Now folks are paying 2,3,4 times more for ammo and guns compared to 6 months ago. Just hang in there and subscribe to be notified when primers come back in stock , AND JUMP FAST, because they go fast!
RH - When you go to the local range, post that you would like to buy some primers. There are shooters who might sell some to you as they might be moving out of the area, suffering from health problems or there may be widows trying to divest herself of her husbands reloading stuff. Also talk to the ringmasters - there may be members willing to trade powder or bullets for primers. Otherwise, we learn from these events to stock up on primers when they are available. I always budgeted some money to be able to pounce on good buys that come across. Have a great day, Steve
Does you term "case jam" mean you headspace is too tight? I have been reloading for the better part of 35 years and have never heard the term "case jam".
Nick J - Just fine Nick - I was up your way to build a chicken coop for my daughter - too busy for anything else than staying on a schedule... as for the neck, yes - no sizing needed as the collet squeezes the neck on the mandrel and then releases it - there is no dynamic moving of the brass requiring any lube... Best to ya, Steve
Yep the “CONTROLLA VIRUS “ panic has completely wiped out ammunition, so primers for the people aren’t at the top of the list for ammunition manufacturers right now. The primers are going towards factory ammunition, and they just can’t pump enough out. As soon as some get back in stock they’re gone again. Everybody is buying guns, ammo, and reloading supplies like it’s the end of the world. I feel kinda bad for a lot of folks. They couldn’t find ammo or didn’t wanna pay their liver for it. So they figured they buy a reloading press and some dies, just to find out they can’t get any primers to load with.
KM - When you go to the local range, post that you would like to buy some primers. There are shooters who might sell some to you as they might be moving out of the area, suffering from health problems or there may be widows trying to divest herself of her husbands reloading stuff. Also talk to the ringmasters - there may be members willing to trade powder or bullets for primers. Otherwise, we learn from these events to stock up on primers when they are available. I always budgeted some money to be able to pounce on good buys that come across. Have a great day, Steve
Reloading/rebuilding primers is a fun endeavor and somewhat time consuming endeavor but fun. It is satisfying to have the ability to never really be out of primers.@@johnanderson186
Thanks for the entertaining and often instructive videos, Fortune; I enjoyed this one as well. However as far as "maybe you should not choose calibers that Lee doesn't make Neck Sizing Collet dies for"... seriously? You're a Toober well known in the cast bullet world; we shouldn't be choosing and picking calibers popular in the cast bullet world like the 30/40 Krag, the 35 Whelen, etc. (never mind if we had them for decades before the advent of this Lee die)? Those are among the many calibers that Lee has yet to produce these collet does for. And unfortunately, since about 2021, Lee has suspended their service of providing custom collet dies made for calibers you specify if you provide them with a few fired cases. I really do like the collet dies, especially for cast bullet reloads as well as the .303 British due to American die makers refusing to make dies based on the original British military chamber specifications and instead make them for American civilian .303 British rifles. Hopefully, Lee will soon resume offering custom collet dies and mandrels. Best regards.
your quest for concentricity reminds me of an old "Rail Gunner" I knew years back. That guy's gun locked more like a science experiment. He and his friends had sub MOA down to a literal science. Here is a example of a typical Rail Gun www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/rail-gun.jpg
I think we are approaching the time in America when riflemen will need to be concentrating on more important goals than spending hours trying to shoot a sub-MOA group. My Garands are all battle sight zeroed to hit a head- sized target at 200 yards. My only long range rifles are a Remington Police Sniper in .223... a Savage BTCSS in 22-250 and a couple of Swedish M96’s. . . . Mere “shooters” can continue with paper targets.
"Mere shooters"??? While the mere "Trust me - I'm an Internet Operator!" crowd will broadcast their intentions (and their identity) to those they're preparing to follow somebody else (not them leading) to fight in the revolution. Now that's amusing.
Ah! grasshopper, it's in the way you walk into the room,either turn left or right. But! please don't forget to anneal on third firing. An Aussie point of view.
@@blackprince4074 Haha, always love a good Kung Fu reference. Bet you're full of them? But while I have you on the line, about annealing, it's very unlikely that I will purchase an annealer--how many firings can I safely get out of my brass?
I see what you are doing here, but I think it would be way more reliable to bump the shoulder back to at least -.001" head space. Good way to gall the lugs on your bolt also!
I've been doing a crush fit chambering on all my bolt guns since about 1974, including my Sako 22-250 varmint rifle that I've worn out and replaced the barrel on three times... we have lots of gophers to shoot here in Montana. And a 1950 manufactured Long Branch Lee Enfield rifle that has had thousands of rounds at military ball pressure reloads through it. How many years would you suggest have to pass before I start noticing this galling on my bolt lugs? Askin' for my gopher shooting friends as well as myself.
You probably have some brass spring back. I bet an annealed case would improve even more. Good video man.👍
This is the second sizing step in my case resizing process. After annealing, I run the cases through a Redding body die which sizes only the case body. Next is the Lee neck size collet die. First timers get repeated neck sizing's like you demonstrated here. Subsequent resizing's - just one or two passes with the LCD. I'm pleased with the results I see on my targets.
The Lee Collet up front cost is way less than even low end neck turning tools. Plus no loss of brass on the neck. I did not realize the Lee collet die could do this. You saved me from going down the neck turning rabbit hole. Thanks for posting this.
Been doing this for some time. I didn't know I just thought the collect would be a good idea after full length sizing. About the max I get one and half thought. Great video my man.
A case neck iron! Nicely done young man.
The best die I have ever used for my 243 is the lee classic loader - the one you hammer in! I use the Lee Neck Size on it for one ragged hole groups. But with the classic loader dye alone I still get less than 1/4 MOA
Very good and informative video!! Will help me in my reloading ventures. Thanks again!!
The Squirrel - You don't have to go around six times unless you are trying to get that last measure of neck thickness uniformity. For our factory rifles, 3x around is more than enough really.... Good shootin' to ya, Steve
appreciate the video, just picked one of these up for my sons 8mm Mauser, was having some neck tension problems while trying to reload some Sellier and Bellot brass, looks like this die will do even more than I expected and hoped for. Once again great video and tip, thanks!
Excellent video Fortune Cookie you
reminds me of one of my Engineering professors. You are good sir.
Thanks for making another very informative video Cookie . What you didn’t mention in this video but I think you did mention in a previous video about the Lee Collet and uniform neck thickness is that the Lee Collet did doesn’t make the brass increase in length which is surprising to me . One would think that with all that pressure on the mandrel that the brass would flow forward and increase case length. Cheers 🍻
CSH - If you do the repeated collet work, you might indeed get .0005-.001" lengthening, but this doesn't cause a problem most of the time...I'm probably overdoing the number of compressions - 3xs around the case really should be enough...Good reloadin' to ya, Steve
Brass doesn't really flow, that's a bit of a misnomer, what actually happens is the body sticks to the chamber walls. Then the head stretches back to meet the bolt face. Adding whatever the rifles headspace was to the case (minus a little spring back) by only neck sizing them, after the first firing, they have almost zero room to stretch
You gotta love the goodness of the Lee Neck Collet Die. Yet there are Lee naysayers out there who complain and think Lee dies are no good because they're so inexpensive.
LH - Lee equipment has won matches. The reason Lee doesn't offer neck turning equipment is their Neck Size Collet Die is such an engineering wonder...Richard Lee was very proud of this for rifle shooters. For handgun shooters, he offered carbide dies at half the price of competition and the 6 cavity bullet molds. Have a great day, Steve
I appreciate your input, this is some great advice. Great lesson for me (thanks)
If Lee doesn't make collet dies for your cartridge you can send them 3 fired cases and 1 projectile and they will build you a custom collet die. I think the charge is like $70 and you get a seater to go with it. All the info. is on their website in the custom die section.
ds - I thought I knew the Lee website inside out...guess not...Have a great day. Steve
Unfortunately, as I write this, since about 2021, Lee withdrew this custom service. Which makes me and several of my rifles cry...
Hopefully they will resume doing this next year in 2024.
The Collet die swages the necks and is one of the best innovations in reloading dies ever but brand name dudes never try them so they have no clue how inexpensively premium bench grade rounds can be made. Maybe we should just keep it to ourselves.
I use the collet die a lot, however after 4 sizings on the neck, you’ll have to full length size the size again. As with constant neck sizing, and shooting the shoulder doesn’t move. After a well the case doesn’t close very well within the chamber. Best to full length with minimum headspace so you maintain excellent chamber fit and you don’t over work or size the case too much. Collet did is excellent, as a fact of all the neck type dies out there. It’s the only one which does not stress the neck at all.
Hugh Johnston - Sometimes the need for FL sizing happens after 5 firings. And depending on our seating depth, we may very well get donuts in our case necks as well. Then comes the annealing procedures. I have just gotten away from all that by discarding the brass after 5 firings and get new brass. Starting with a batch of 200 rounds of brass, the 5 cycles is 1000 rounds of shooting. Plus, we get a good idea of number of rounds fired. After the second batch, the barrel is close to being burned out so a new barrel will be in the mix. Good shootin' to ya, Steve
@@FortuneCookie45LC
never ever had a donuts on my cases, perhaps only using Laupa or Norma Brass helps?
Excellent video
Very informative and useful information !!
As a side note, why do I have the image of a middle aged gentleman hunched over a bench making custom ammunition for two men in black suits and sunglasses in mid 1963 ? ;) :)
Thanks for the video !
Excellent 👍
Excellent video.
You're basically swaging the neck thickness to be even.
I think you also did a video showing how the Lee Neck Collet reduces rumour on most cases...
I guess measuring runout and neck wall thickness could be interelalet...if your cases don't have uniform neck wall thickness
Does this really make a difference for ammunition used for deer hunting? Excellent video and I get what you’re explaining. I use the Lee Collet dies and they work great.
Neat trick. Should we anneal before or after?
Do you really need “case jam” if you have a spring loaded ejector? The ejector will push the shoulder into the chamber and center it.
On the Lee Press aftermarket sells a dail-in Torque wrench that gives you the ability to change the handle out and add a torque wrench made for lee and dial in the torque poundage on the collet you want without guessing! No more “go by feel” no more guessing what 25lbs feel like so you don’t have what you ended up with.... an improvement with “some”. Get them all back to .001 run out.
Now just a thought here, but wouldn’t running a case that many times in the die kinda work harden your case neck? I mean the constant squeezing on the brass, has to harden it some, due you’re compressing the brass. I could be wrong though, I’m no metallurgy specialist.
John Anderson - This is something I've done for quite a while, and you don't have to overdo this as I do...I just like the uniforming of my case necks (this is easy for you to confirm), plus, you only do it once, then after that, just collet neck size the usual way. As for work hardening, this is static compressive force, not dynamic moving of brass. No doubt, there may be some working of the brass, but I haven't seen any badness from doing this. After 5 firings, we just anneal to continue, perhaps we'll be FL sizing one time, perhaps removing donuts, etc. I don't bother with any of that as I just discard the brass and get new brass. Starting with 200 rounds of new brass, 5x, then buy 200 more rounds of brass = 2000 rounds (that's a lot of rifle shooting) - close to need for a new barrel. Good shootin' to ya, Steve
This die doesn’t actually expand it before sizing it, like normal sizers do. Lee recommends doing it twice with no cam over.
@@connerm4850 Cam over is far more repeatable and consistent than using the No. 1 Mk 1 arm gauge to do each case the same. If the manufacturer of your press didn't design it as a cam over type of press to start with, they would probably advise you not to do cam over when using such a press instead of yours.
Whether using a cam over press or one that doesn't, you can still screw up with too much pressure. I do love these collet dies
Awesome info!
Thanks for posting, EV - and you have a great day, Steve
So the cases are out of round and this die squeezes them round but, it will not remove unequal brass neck flow or bad case manufacturing.
If the thickness of the neck brass has high and low spots and you feel that .002 or thicker in spots will effect flyers. You will need to neck turn to get rid of the brass, otherwise your just pushing it in an other direction , in the end bullet seating pressure and bullet grip will still be the same, tighter in some spots than others!
Neck turn to make the necks concentric to brass thicknesses then, use the Lee collet sizer, that will make for a perfectly round and case thick mouth and you can controll neck tension for bullet grip..
Very cool. Thank you for this sir. I dont like turning the necks because of what you said. It will get too thin if its out bad.
Does fullength sizing not do the same thing if you rotate your brass and run it through multiple times?
my info may not be totally accurate, but full length sizing most does the inside of the neck, and and base...
FW - You don't want to do that with your FL die - reason is that with the Lee Collet Die doing static squeezing, you are not doing dynamic working of the brass. Your FL die actually dynamically works the brass (moves the brass with unsupported squeezing and stretching - that's what the expander ball does). The more FL sizing you do, the sooner you'll need to address annealing issues. The Lee Collet squeezes against a static supported mandrel - not the same thing we're getting. Good reloadin' to ya, Steve
there are litlle marks from the collet parts caused by pressing ,and that shows at the micro meter ,get a polisch with polisch paper and try the measuring again ,yours
Cool Info. Is this something that is going to be once, semi-often, or every time reloading?
AA - Once uniformed, those necks will only require the normal pass through the Lee Neck Size Collet and trimming as needed. Then the occasional full length resize (or bumping) and annealing if brass longevity is in the mix. Good reloadin' to ya, Steve
Fourtune cookie 45. Question off the topic but I think you will know the answer. How many lead ingots can you get from a full propane tank? Thanks. Chris.
Christopher Vogt - Tough one to answer, because it depends on the size of the ingot molds you are using and the number of times you flux the alloy. But it is a lot of 'em - and at $15 for a full propane tank, the energy is a bargain. Best to ya, Steve
Dear Mr Cookie.
How did you set up that Collet die in your cam over Forster press.
Lee instructions say contact plus 2 turns to prevent cam over..
You're rocking that cam! 🤣
I've liked many of your videos over time.
I'm thinking of upgrading press, from rickety old floppy Lee to maybe a cam over.
I usually just collet neck size, but use redding body die if Headspace adjustment needed.
Thanks Mr Cookie
Just found your aug 1 2016 clip..that mentions setting up in Forster...
@ 4:27 - 4:29, the neck ID case is NOT secure on the stepped chuck and has all kinds of movement. Aka, angularity
I've got neck sizing dies for my .223 & .308 from LEE that I have never used yet. I'm going to start right now. I have a Hornady concentricity set-up. So, once I get my case necks tuned to under .002 then it is okay to go on to the powder and flaring die then the seating die, and finally the crimping die? This is really good info. Thanks, FC.
No flare unless cast bullets for rifle. Just chamfer/deburr.
Stinger45 - Yes to what yo lo is saying...rifle calibers do not need the powder and flare die and would not want to use it even if you had it. The neck tension is going to be fine after use of the Lee Neck Size Collet Die so debur the inside of the case neck and seat the bullet. We don't need to crimp unless we are shooting from lever gun or perhaps the semi-auto. Bolt guns need no crimp. BTW, the Hornady concentricity tool should not be used to "correct" run out as the force actually loses neck tension, and that is detrimental to accuracy. Best to use it to read the run out only. Best to ya, Steve
@@FortuneCookie45LC Thanks, Steve. I only use the Hornady for checking runout only. I have a competition seating die that keeps my runout inside of .002 for my .223 and .308.
The accuracy of your neck thickness consistency measurements rely a lot on perfect inside neck chamfering, deburring and cleaning. I'm sure you knew that though... Very interesting video. I understand the theory of case-jam but it makes me a tad nervous in some respects. What lube do you use on your rifles locking lugs? L.
Awesome info!!! Thank you!!!!!
Hello to dowdawg ..!! And Hi - O - Silver...Away..!! Steve
Will that lee die work in the Rcbs rock chucker press?
I hope so. That's what I have been using for several years. Seems OK.
Good afternoon good sir, this is totally unrelated perhaps, I have been watching your videos for a while now and I myself do a little reloading, and would like to ask the question since I know you will have the answer or just an idea of what is going on, where are all the primers? specially small pistol or rifle, I have been looking for a few days now and no luck, on line or at my reloading store in Sylmar CA. thank you for your time and have a wonderful day.
Hey, I got the answer for you right here, THE “CONTROLLA VIRUS” panic is why. You have everybody, their brother, sister, mother, grandma , grandpa, uncle, aunt, 1st through 6th cousins, etc buying guns, ammo, and reloading supplies. Ammunition manufacturers are running round the clock just to keep ammunition on the shelves. So a lot of their production is going towards ammunition and the primers being used for it. That’s why primers, and powder are in such short supply. That and the country was basically shut down for 3 months, so I’m sure ammunition manufacturers had reduced staff for social distance purposes, so that right there already put them behind. Thank the Demoncrat party, China, and fake news for creating fear and panic amongst the sheeple of the nation, all for political purposes to try and push for election fraud by means of “vote by mail”. EVERY FREEDOM LOVING AMERICAN NEEDS TO DEMAND THAT THERE BE ACTUAL IN PERSON VOTING AND NOT ALLOW THESE CLOWNS TO NEGATE OUR VOTE BY RIGGING ELECTIONS BY MAIL. Speak out against it, if they manage this you can kiss our democratic process goodbye.
Sorry about the political rant, lol .
But yeah that’s where the primers are, just too much demand for ammo right now so primers for the people are not at the top of the list. I tried telling everyone I know to buy ammo or whatever they needed over the past 4-5 years. It was Abundant and relatively cheap. Now folks are paying 2,3,4 times more for ammo and guns compared to 6 months ago.
Just hang in there and subscribe to be notified when primers come back in stock , AND JUMP FAST, because they go fast!
RH - When you go to the local range, post that you would like to buy some primers. There are shooters who might sell some to you as they might be moving out of the area, suffering from health problems or there may be widows trying to divest herself of her husbands reloading stuff. Also talk to the ringmasters - there may be members willing to trade powder or bullets for primers. Otherwise, we learn from these events to stock up on primers when they are available. I always budgeted some money to be able to pounce on good buys that come across. Have a great day, Steve
Does you term "case jam" mean you headspace is too tight? I have been reloading for the better part of 35 years and have never heard the term "case jam".
I never knew that😄👍
No lubing because your just sizing the neck ?
How you doing Steve ?
Nick J - Just fine Nick - I was up your way to build a chicken coop for my daughter - too busy for anything else than staying on a schedule... as for the neck, yes - no sizing needed as the collet squeezes the neck on the mandrel and then releases it - there is no dynamic moving of the brass requiring any lube... Best to ya, Steve
@@FortuneCookie45LC Sorry we couldn't get together :-( That was some barbecue
Another great video!
Now if you could magically point me to Primers, they have disappeared.
Yep the “CONTROLLA VIRUS “ panic has completely wiped out ammunition, so primers for the people aren’t at the top of the list for ammunition manufacturers right now. The primers are going towards factory ammunition, and they just can’t pump enough out. As soon as some get back in stock they’re gone again. Everybody is buying guns, ammo, and reloading supplies like it’s the end of the world.
I feel kinda bad for a lot of folks. They couldn’t find ammo or didn’t wanna pay their liver for it. So they figured they buy a reloading press and some dies, just to find out they can’t get any primers to load with.
Yep, John Anderson is on the beam...A lot of stuff is in short supply...I'm glad I have always kept a good supply of primer reserves...Steve
KM - When you go to the local range, post that you would like to buy some primers. There are shooters who might sell some to you as they might be moving out of the area, suffering from health problems or there may be widows trying to divest herself of her husbands reloading stuff. Also talk to the ringmasters - there may be members willing to trade powder or bullets for primers. Otherwise, we learn from these events to stock up on primers when they are available. I always budgeted some money to be able to pounce on good buys that come across. Have a great day, Steve
@@FortuneCookie45LC Great tip! Thanks, Cookie.
Reloading/rebuilding primers is a fun endeavor and somewhat time consuming endeavor but fun. It is satisfying to have the ability to never really be out of primers.@@johnanderson186
Thanks for the entertaining and often instructive videos, Fortune; I enjoyed this one as well.
However as far as "maybe you should not choose calibers that Lee doesn't make Neck Sizing Collet dies for"... seriously?
You're a Toober well known in the cast bullet world; we shouldn't be choosing and picking calibers popular in the cast bullet world like the 30/40 Krag, the 35 Whelen, etc. (never mind if we had them for decades before the advent of this Lee die)?
Those are among the many calibers that Lee has yet to produce these collet does for. And unfortunately, since about 2021, Lee has suspended their service of providing custom collet dies made for calibers you specify if you provide them with a few fired cases.
I really do like the collet dies, especially for cast bullet reloads as well as the .303 British due to American die makers refusing to make dies based on the original British military chamber specifications and instead make them for American civilian .303 British rifles. Hopefully, Lee will soon resume offering custom collet dies and mandrels.
Best regards.
your quest for concentricity reminds me of an old "Rail Gunner" I knew years back. That guy's gun locked more like a science experiment. He and his friends had sub MOA down to a literal science. Here is a example of a typical Rail Gun www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/rail-gun.jpg
GP - Thanks for the link...always good to see fine equipment... Best to ya, Steve
I think we are approaching the time in America when riflemen will need to be concentrating on more important goals than spending hours trying to shoot a sub-MOA group. My Garands are all battle sight zeroed to hit a head- sized target at 200 yards. My only long range rifles are a Remington Police Sniper in .223... a Savage BTCSS in 22-250 and a couple of Swedish M96’s. . . . Mere “shooters” can continue with paper targets.
"Mere shooters"??? While the mere "Trust me - I'm an Internet Operator!" crowd will broadcast their intentions (and their identity) to those they're preparing to follow somebody else (not them leading) to fight in the revolution. Now that's amusing.
fyi I tried to buy a lee sizing die from lee using ebay paypal seized payment and are holding my money because its a firearm tool
C'mon Fortune! Six times 1/6th turns?? Isn't that a little excessive. :-)
Ah! grasshopper, it's in the way you walk into the room,either turn left or right.
But! please don't forget to anneal on third firing.
An Aussie point of view.
@@blackprince4074 Haha, always love a good Kung Fu reference. Bet you're full of them? But while I have you on the line, about annealing, it's very unlikely that I will purchase an annealer--how many firings can I safely get out of my brass?
I see what you are doing here, but I think it would be way more reliable to bump the shoulder back to at least -.001" head space. Good way to gall the lugs on your bolt also!
I've been doing a crush fit chambering on all my bolt guns since about 1974, including my Sako 22-250 varmint rifle that I've worn out and replaced the barrel on three times... we have lots of gophers to shoot here in Montana. And a 1950 manufactured Long Branch Lee Enfield rifle that has had thousands of rounds at military ball pressure reloads through it.
How many years would you suggest have to pass before I start noticing this galling on my bolt lugs?
Askin' for my gopher shooting friends as well as myself.
1/8 turn one time is enough