SUPER RARE GUNS!!! German MKB. 42W, MP3008 & Grossfuss STG
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- While on his trip to Russia. Larry got a rare look at some very rare German small arms. He compares the STG 44 and a STG 45 M and the historical lineage of the STG 44
I would say, for the quality, this is the most underrated youtube gun channel...
The videos on this channel are all edited to pieces and he only shoots the guns in slow motion and/or for a few seconds...I would really like to see a normal video when he shoots the STG 45 M without any editing. Same with all other videos.
I'm glad you guys like these videos - I wanted to share the uber rare stuff I got to see in Russia !!!
What an incredible walk into history..Thank you
So with all that is going on with them right now, how did the Russians treat you Larry?
Hey Larry have you ever seen a MP412 Rex?
Vicker, the Sten gun is not a copy of anything, it was from the demand of a sub-machine gun that needed to be able to exactly what is just meant to do, produce rapidly and it needed to be cheap because Britain doesn't have the time and money for quality sake,
Second, it's so basic, how could even be recall as copying?
Google Sucks Well that's too bad that you're struggling, and what's wrong with being critical? because it's obvious there's no factor of copying in a system of a Sten Mark I, sub-machine gun is so god damn basic, on manufacturing standpoint there's no solid backup where your statement is even correct of copying some other design let alone understandable, Sten guns can even be made in small factory of Britain.
The STEN is actually a simplified Lanchester, which is an MP 28 copy. Still, role reversal.
Also, that short StG 45(M) magazine is a test-fire magazine. They would have been issued with regular 30 round mags.
I love this show so f-ing much!!! THANK YOU LARRY FOR BEING SO AWESOME
Incredible pieces of history!
Thank you so much for bringing these to life via video!
Great to see these firearms out in the light of day and for the opportunity for the public to see them through the internet.
Keep up the good work.
First Strike!
Simply amazing.. Would like to see more videos like this.
If you visit Nashville, the Military Musuem downtown has a MKb. 42(w).
Very cool
The small mags are only for testing purposes because you don't need a 30 rounder to do that
nice one sir.
Stg 45 reminds me of a FAL
Stg44 is really similar mechanically to the fal
AK & AR :)
It would be awesome if you where to take some of these weapons apart and show the internals, maybe compare the changes from the STG 45 and G3.
Gross fuss looks like a ww2 version of hk ump
whats there not to like.
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1:09 Gerät Neumünster
Man that MP 3008 is an ugly ass gun.
The little stubby mag wasn't to get lower to the ground. The STG-45's were found with them because the short mags were easier to work with while the gun was in a clamp for accuracy testing. They were gonna be issued with 30 rounders.
That Grossfuss STG looks like an UMP-45. Quite modern looking.
I dont see it
@@machstem6390 Imagine the long barrel not being there after the handguard ends. If it was cut at that point and the front sight placed there as well it does actually resemble a UMP
There is pictorial evidence of the MKB42 (H) at the Battle of Stalingrad.
If you can find that pic please send it to me - I've never seen it but with the Germans in WWII you never say never !!!
Let me find the link to it. I know it was posted three years ago by the game development team that created Red Orchestra 2, a WW2 game. I believe the developers stumbled upon a picture of it's use in a museum in Stalingrad.
The photo you're talking about does not display a MKb.42 H it shows a Sturmgewehr 44.
TheGaminWeasel the StG 44 didn't exist yet
DinkyWaffle yes but the photo he is talking about is dated 4/10/1942 (October 4 1942) so that means the photo is dated wrong.
The grossfuss looks like UMP 45 neat
Yes, you can clearly see where the UMP came from
The closer we moved into Berlin, the more number of interesting shit rolled out from their factories.
Yes, some of those are really strange designs(forget Gustloff VG5, I saw one last ditch gun that was bullpup with STG44 magazine which served as handle as well).
@@fanta4897 That bullpup gun with STG44 mag as a handle - Wimmersperg spz?
MP3008 is a copy of a copy :L
So like, an even cheaper version of something already cheap?
pretty much
then the austen i pretty much a copy of a copy of a copy as its Australia attempt at fixing the sten
Kinda. The AuSten was a "copy of a copy" (not sure where you got the 3rd copy there) but also an "improved" version of the brit version. Much better ergonomics and better quality manufacturing.
Not as good as the homegrown "Owen Gun" though which was designed with the same considerations in mind but was a FAR better weapon.
Gold shovel, but who cares :) MP3008 is a copy of STEN, which is improved Lanchester which is copy of MP-28 which is improved MP-18.
This is amazing, when I was young I was fascinated buy German weaponry of WW2, I would drew and create my own next generation Stug44s and MP40s. I was shocked by some of the resemblance my designs had to these rare incredible guns! Thank you for sharing this rare opportunity to see these.
Nazi guns? As Nazi, You mean a guy that lives in Naziland ? German guns for fuck sake...
Best video yet, I find the late war Nazi weaponry super interesting :)
I went looking for a wa2000, was going about my normal research, but then i found out only 176 were ever made lol the gun is around $40,000. I shit myself
Is it just me or does the stg45 competitor look like a SCAR
Because its a rectangular shape.
These weapons are so great to see. Thank you very much for letting us get a look.
You are easily the best RUclips gun-guy Larry, and the fact that you were a top tier sf operator and the best the US army had to offer, just adds to the legitimacy of your opinions. Keep up the good work.
Actually the 10 round magazines were just mags from the manufacturer for testing the rifle and were never intended to be issued in the field. It had nothing to do with soldiers complaining that the magazines were too long.
I'm German. and it's awkward how they look like :D Well Germany did many Weapon designs that we still use today. But they look very stange ^^
***** you mess something up, many german rifles and handguns set the standards for the following decades
TheEngineerGuy I'm german and they look beautiful
TheEngineerGuy so do some American designs....I guess you two countries are the leading ones
Memorible werd so do some American designs....I guess you two countries are the leading ones
It's great to see examples of these brough to life, rather than just lying hidden in the pages of history. It's special to see them fired too.
The grossfuss looks like an fn scar.
This is THE BEST....Larry's reaction says it all
Grossfuss STG looks like a HK UMP in 7.92 cal. without the rear sight and told a lie hence a looooong nose with AK front sight at the end .^^
The last one looks like a KM UMP a bit
Love the STG 44 going to get a 22 one because I know I’ll never be able to afford a real one little loan find one for sale
I think he meant STEN was a crude copy of MP18, not MP40.
I'm surprised they didn't make him wear gloves! Pretty much SOP at any firearms museum or archive
To see these Guns in close up, checkout the videos from Forgotten Weapons; also on YT.
To see how the Grossfuss STG operates, also type in vg1-5; for a similarly operating Rifle.
The Sten is not a simplification of an mp40. The Sten is a simplification of a Lancaster gun which is a derivative of ww1 mp18. Mp40 and Sten gun has a common ancestor but have nothing to do with each other
I am quite puzzled if these weapons were so cutting edge back in 45, why didn't allied forces use these designs like the fantastic Stg 45 or Stg 44 in the Korean war using standard American ammo like the M1 carbine type or even a 7.62x 33 mm Kurz etc??
because of logistics, Supply licensing and Manufacturing reasons. the same reason that the military sticks with the M16 / M4 design instead of adopting better foriegn and Designs such as the SCAR
Your program/videos are very nice. I wish they where longer.
Very much copy of a Sten lol. When Sten clearly copied the MP38
😮I wish I could go there!
The MP3008
Is half grease gun and half STEN gun
Weapons imitation del bren british?
I miss TacTV and Tactical Impact. Great shows.
This is some of the most satisfying content on RUclips!
Hey Lary, really enjoying the videos so far, I love the content. Just for future references however, V's in German are pronounced as F's and W as V's, Volksturm is then pronounced like Folksturm which indicate the "people imbriguaded" aspect. Just wanted to let you know, keep the content flowing!
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We need to see the lad lmg that shoots beltfed 9mm takorev
As a Yank I have always liked the German and Russian small arms going back to WW2. I wonder if Europeans look on American small arms fondly?
That grossfuss looks at home in the early 1980s. Quite the future istic weapon echos H&K
because it is HK brought the blueprints
I wanna highlight a few I've seen that are extreeemely rare [proceeds to pick extremely rare historic assault rifle with bare hands] First up, the MKB. 42W .. lol
Funny Grossfuss ( org. GroßFuß ) literally means Bigfoot.
I always wanted to see the "Volksmaschinenpistole".
Forgotten Weapons-Volkssturmgewehr
This-Volksmachinenpistole
Got to admit, it, rather amusing. How gun manufacturer- kinda well known and still present. Like Walther [Valther] arms worked for/with the Nazis-- Great video
Dude thanks for sharing! I've never even heard of the Grossfuss before. Nor have I seen the short 20 or 15 round mags for the Stg45...very cool!
Wish you could disassemble the Großfuß STG and show how it works. That one is really unique.
Would you say the Central Armed Forces Archive has a better collection then the NRA Museum or any similar establishments ?
Alll of these guns are new to me
in late 1890s bolt action rifle were considered cutting edge state of the art technology and within 45-50 years we have this an automatic assault rifle that holds up pretty well to this day
holy crap, not 1 but 4 Assault rifles! Not bad germany... not bad at all.
Thank you for the history lesson. I am always amazed by what you get your hands on and would like to see more of the above video's. Or you could invite me to one of your shoots and I could see first hand.
German guns are super cool
what a video that was awesome
Out fucking standing !
The stg 45 looks awsome they should make new ones with black carbon fiber stocks
Federov is not an assault rifle. Not an intermediate cartridge, not suited to being the main rifle of an army.
Love ya , video`s ! Keep them coming ! Gratz from Scotland !
Really like these vids. Guns I've never heard of but that I get to see :) Thanks!
I was in this museum but I could not find these guns or even this room. Is it possible to see this area as a normal person ?
No it’s not - it’s in the basement and not open to the public
@@VickersTacticalLAV Thank you very much for the answer! I was afraid that the good stuff is hidden in the basement, but even the "normal" exhibition is very impressive.
I like the big food assault rifle
grossfuss ( Großfuß ) = big food
Larry, I am loving your channel. Keep up the good work.
does anyone knows what sword is that behind him in the background ?
1:54 that is a hideous gun
Does look matter
I want to see MP3008 head to head vs Stein and Grease Gun!
Again with the inaccuracy. No, the Federov was NOT the first Assault Rifle. The STG was. Please, I respect you and all you've done but please stop spreading false infomation.
+John Connor Fedorov's rifle was originally designed to be a hand held machinegun. In other words, a light automatic rifle, a similar class to that of a BAR or the RPK but most likely used at a platoon or company level at the time of the First World War and the Russian Civil War. Later it's designation was changed to "avtomat" which in today's terms refers to 'assault rifle' in the Russian language. It's relation to today's understanding of the assault rifle is still debatable. Given it's mechanism and class you can argue that it could have been used by assault troops to attack enemy trenches, a light automatic rifle for suppression and trench clearing. It's smaller caliber also helps in designating it to being closer related to the assault rifle.
Unit987654321 Going by the US Military's definition of a assault rifle, which is the most widely accepted definition of a assault rifle is a rifle firing a intermediate cartridge with a select fire ability, the STG-44 is indeed the first assault rifle. Also, it is barely smaller. 6.5x50mm compared to 7.62x51mm.
+John Connor I explained the Russian word for assault rifle is "avtomat", used as early as 1916. The Germans coined up the term "assault rifle" with reference to a weapon firing an intermediate cartridge, so America has nothing to do here. However, the use and purpose of the Fedorov rifle remains similar to that of the assault rifle, making it an assault rifle.
I totally agree with you, the federov was not the first assault rifle, but, I'd give it credit as a first in the self loading rifle category.
I never heard of any of theses weapon all but the stg44
the mp 40 was the first, with stamped metals,i think.
So out of curiosity what gun were you alluding to that was the first assault rifle fielded in the world? You said it was made by the Russians?
The fedorov avtomat was what i believe he was referring to. Its often not referred to as an assault rifle due to the fact it didn't use a cut down rifle cartridge (like the 7.92x33 or 7.62x39) but used a lower powered full rifle cartridge the 6.5×50mm, i don't consider it to be an assault rifle personally as a x50 cartridge is a full rifle cartridge (lets not forget 7.62 nato is is x51) some however consider it to be one as it fills the role of an assault rifle.
***** Agreed. The chambering for the Fedorov Avtomat was the 6.5x50mm Arisaka. That same cartridge was Japan's primary martial caliber until the beginning of World War II when they decided to switch to the 7.7x58mm, although the 6.5x50mm actually stayed in service all the way through the end of the war. While the 6.5x50mm was certainly less powerful than its contemporaries -- the .30-06, .303 British, 7.92x57 Mauser & the 7.62x54R Russian -- it was most certainly a true rifle cartridge rather than an intermediate assault rifle cartridge like the 7.92x33mm Kurz, 7.62x39mm or 5.56x45mm cartridges of the Stg44, AK47 & M16 respectively. That would make the Fedorov Avtomat more akin to a select fire FAL or G3 battle rifle than a true assault rifle, although given its size, weight & capabilities it's easy to see why people consider it the first ancestor of the modern assault rifle. It really was the first of its kind. The only thing even close to it at the time was the BAR which was significantly larger, heavier & more powerful, more of a squad automatic than an individual weapon.
Excellent video, thank you.
great video and infos
I want to put out a order for some mini gun
I really liked this video learned a lot more
Wish this was 10x as long!
Vorsprung durch technik. 'Nuff said.
Would you say the Central Armed Forces Archive has a better collection then the NRA Museum or any similar establishments ?
Different but also better for a guy like me - a lot of rare cool stuff
sup larry? :D hey ur larry too lol
I'm not convinced the STG45 was a better rifle than the STG44.
Every time I handle my STG44 clone(BD44) I can't help but be impressed by the simplicity and efficiency of the STG44 design. Tilting bolt is about as reliable as you can get, on top of a very long stroke. The stg44 was made to work in harsh conditions.
***** Actually there are generous cutouts for debris to be deflected into if it should work its way into the action. It would take a significant amount of debris to cause a failure. The STG44 is extremely soft shooting.
The MP42/43/44, STG44 were all designed for ease of use, maintenance and manufacturing. You are correct that the STG45 would have been less expensive to produce, but I suggest that it may have been less effective at the same role as the STG44. When it comes to exotic firearms, I have a very small pool of reference, but of what I have fired, nothing else is as soft shooting as the STG, even with full power surplus.
From a mechanical standpoint, sometimes it is better to design something around the conditions, rather than directly trying to defend from those conditions.
Considering the reports from the wehrmacht, how well designed the rifle is, how robust it is, debris ingress is not likely a concern. If I could afford to risk my rifle, I'd put it up in a torture test against the AKM and the AR15.
***** The AK borrows a tremendous amount of its design from the STG44. You simply have to field strip the two to see that. While it can be reasonably argued that the AK improved on the design of the STG in some aspects, it can't be ignored how well designed the STG is in the first place.
Don't forget, glowing battlefield reports convinced Hitler to keep the rifle after he had already cancelled the project. If it was a jam-o-matic the Wehrmacht wouldn't have kept it.
Larry, I notice on a lot of the early assault rifles that the sights are almost always mounted far a head on the guns either forward of the ejection port or directly on the barrels, best example being the AK47, what was the thought process on this, was it just an ease of manufacturing type thing or what?
my guess is the rear sight is far forward so you can take the cover off the receiver to field strip it
***** Thanks for the answer, it one of those things that now that ive read it I feel like an idiot for not figuring it out on my own....I meant to say early European assault rifles in my original comment.
Why such a small mag on the STG45 Mauser?
He says in the video.
There were complaints coming from frontline soldiers, saying that 30 rounder was making their body too visible in prone position. Now some soldiers also reported that StG-44's 30 rounder was rigid enough to the point where they could use it as a monopod-ish stand.
Now the funny part is that U.S. Army chose to go with M16's 20 rounders for this reason, but they had to accept 30 rounders later in the Vietnam War because M16's high rates of fire, combined with soldiers dropping hammer as they suppress the jungle with VCs, caused M16s to run out of bullet in the mag super fast.
I apologize for answering after 5 years, but since both the information in the video and the responses on your question are false I hope you don´t mind! The 10 round magazines actually were just mags from Mauser for better handling when testing the rifle and were never intended to be issued in the field. It had nothing to do with frontline soldiers complaining that the magazines were too long.
I saw 99,999 views
Did he say there's 2.5 of those STGs in existence??? Wtf
2 complete one misses half of the parts
Awesome!
The sten was developed from the mp 28 not the mp 40
I think he messed up in his words
Excuse me? StG-44 is NOT the first assault rifle?
Russian Empire produced Fedorov Automatic Rifle.
@@Nadtochy
Штурмовая винтовка - это не то же самое, что и автоматическая винтовка. При царях промежуточных патронов ещё не было.
@@ДокторЯдо понимаю, допускаю, что мог ошибиться. Что же такое штурмовая винтовка?
@@Nadtochy
Автоматическая винтовка под промежуточный патрон. Например, М16 (5,56х45мм) - штурмовая винтовка, а М14 (7,62х45мм) - уже нет. В англоязычных источниках автоматические винтовки под винтовочный патрон называют "боевыми".
@@ДокторЯдо спасибо.