I’m so sorry you and other people have to experienced this. I pray that your recovery continues to improve and you get back to feeling normal for good.
I'm so sorry that you've been going through this. It's very scary, and it's great that you have such a strong support system to help. Also, giving yourself a fighting chance by looking at anything you could do to alleviate the symptoms.
@@BunnyChick08 feeling really good the past week. Not perfect, but definitely at a point where my life feels normal again. I think it’ll just keep getting better and better :)
Thank you for sharing your story. I am sorry that you had to go through everything that you did. I hope that you continue to heal well and recover in no time.
I have never heard of something like this before. I’m very glad you feel better and your anxiety episodes have diminished. I send you all of my support, life can get scary and there’s a lot out there that can make those feelings worse, you seem to have a huge community and most importantly your family around to support you, I really hope you continue to recover well.
@@ChrisPetrone Thank you, really. This past two weeks have been kind of hard for me, and the comment you made about not thinking about hurting yourself but the thought of becoming someday into someone who would act on that, it really got to me. I think that is what I am going through. I understood.
I didnt know this is what caused ENS. My son just had septoplasty (2 days ago) and reduction of turbinates.. this is scarying me shitless. I am soo worried now! I only pray that he comes out fine, because his turbinates were pretty enlarged.
@@Lizzied1301 they never bring it up as a possibility. If they did, people wouldn’t do the surgery. The informed consent patients give is so rarely actually informed. It is rare, though, so I’m sure your son will be fine. Definitely don’t search out issues if he’s feeling fine. If he begins having issues, Dr. Nayak and Dr. Citardi are the ones to go to. Maybe Dr. Das. (These are If you’re in the US)
@@luzvasquez7995 bilateral inferior turbinate submucosal resection with microdebrider. There is no fully safe method of turbinate surgery. Period. People have gotten ENS from every type including outfracture and the incidence is underreported. I advise everyone against turbinate surgery
They don’t want you to eat before anesthesia in case you vomit and choke while under. I asked when I had a liver biopsy last year. Glad you’re on the mend. Sounds scary as hell.
I used to watch videos of Dr. Nayak doing nose surgeries if we’re talking about the same doctor. I’ve always said i would want to see him if i ever get to have septoplasty surgery and a nose job.
This is awful that you have been dealing with this. Hoping for many more good days and that you will be back to the old Chris soon! Sending love and good thoughts your way :)
I went to an ENT since I've never really been able to breathe through my nose, and every time I asked about complications they said there weren't any possible. When I mentioned ENS they just said they've never had it happen before and I'm strongly considering just cancelling the surgery which is scheduled a bit over a month ago. It was really nice hearing your perspective since I had a coworker who also had the surgery and didn't mention any issues, but I think as you've said, I haven't tried nearly enough to fix the issue without surgical intervention. I think I'll cancel it for now and just reschedule it if I really feel it's necessary since I'm barely into my twenties.
Just don't let anybody operate on your turbinates! Other than that, you should be okay. You may just need to get on an allergy regimen. Like a certain spray or something. Lots of those medicines only work if you do them every day and they start to kick in after a few weeks. Really take lots of time to figure it out. Don't rush anything especially if your situation is tolerable.
@@ChrisPetrone Yeah, I've been on allergy immunotherapy for 3 years now to very little in terms of results, but since I don't really experience much pain from not being able to nose breathe I'll cancel the surgery for now
@@forbandyson8921some people say their nose surgery was super beneficial, but others end up with this debilitating condition (which I don’t have, to reiterate, but have been experiencing some symptoms of as I heal). I say exhaust every other option you possibly can including changing diet and environmental factors, etc.
You seem really sensitive. The running the hand through your hair tick kind of makes me think that. It is really noticeable and you may need therapy to stop it.(Cutting your bangs shorter and combing the hair back in front may help you.) Also I had local anesthesia for my turbinate reduction, not everyone has general anesthesia for nasalnl surgery, the septoplacy requires the general anesthesia. I think surgery swelled your nose up and your nose has not yet recovered and calmed down from the trauma of the procedures you had. You may feel a lot better in a couple months after the tissues heal more and the nerves in the nose calm down. Total of 3 months. Dryness does not mean you have ENS and it may be a bad side effect of the surgery, but not ENS. I don't need distilled water for my room humidifier. I use distilled for my cpap machine but not the room humidifier. Do you have ENS? Sounds like you don't and you are scaring people watching this unnecessarily.
@@donniemoder1466 I don’t experience dryness. I’m currently 4 months and 1 week post op, and I’m experiencing issues like a fight/flight state when I breathe. I don’t know if it’s ENS or just part of the healing process, and I hope it goes away in time. I’ve done tons of research on this and I now know that turbinate surgery is far riskier than we are led to believe. Go listen to the podcast Dr. Nayak did this year. He said we don’t fully understand turbinates and how you can do the exact same surgery on 1000 turbinates but a small number of those will end up with ENS
You fast for 12 hrs to reduce the chance of vomiting during surgery and in recovery. I’ve never heard of it. I can’t imagine experiencing those symptoms. Glad to hear you are coming out of it.
Is this the case for a simple septoplasty? Or is it really only a risk when you get turbinate reduction? I’m due to get a simple septoplasty in a couple months.
I'm fairly certain you can only get empty nose syndrome when the turbinates are operated on. You should double check with your surgeon and make sure they don't operate on them.
I’d always leave surgery as a last resort. If you have a good life right now, I’m not sure I’d risk nose surgery. But, if it’s really jacked up and messin with your quality of life, then just a septoplasty alone would be much much much much lower risk of ens, if any. Of course, with any surgery there can be risks. Please do plenty of research
For how long did you experience those symptoms? Also did you check your surgery report? They may have been reduced without your knowledge. You can message your doc and they have to provide it to you
@@ChrisPetrone It's been 15 months since I got these symptoms. I didn't check the medical report. Okay. I will try. Thank you for letting me know about it.
I’m so sorry you and other people have to experienced this. I pray that your recovery continues to improve and you get back to feeling normal for good.
I'm so sorry that you've been going through this. It's very scary, and it's great that you have such a strong support system to help. Also, giving yourself a fighting chance by looking at anything you could do to alleviate the symptoms.
@@BunnyChick08 feeling really good the past week. Not perfect, but definitely at a point where my life feels normal again. I think it’ll just keep getting better and better :)
Thank you for sharing your story. I am sorry that you had to go through everything that you did. I hope that you continue to heal well and recover in no time.
Thanks for being vulnerable with us in hopes of it helping others. So dope!
Chris I’m so glad your with family and not alone
I have never heard of something like this before. I’m very glad you feel better and your anxiety episodes have diminished. I send you all of my support, life can get scary and there’s a lot out there that can make those feelings worse, you seem to have a huge community and most importantly your family around to support you, I really hope you continue to recover well.
@@FloraDolce you’re lovely. Thank you for the kind words and support
@@ChrisPetrone Thank you, really. This past two weeks have been kind of hard for me, and the comment you made about not thinking about hurting yourself but the thought of becoming someday into someone who would act on that, it really got to me. I think that is what I am going through. I understood.
I didnt know this is what caused ENS. My son just had septoplasty (2 days ago) and reduction of turbinates.. this is scarying me shitless. I am soo worried now! I only pray that he comes out fine, because his turbinates were pretty enlarged.
@@Lizzied1301 they never bring it up as a possibility. If they did, people wouldn’t do the surgery. The informed consent patients give is so rarely actually informed. It is rare, though, so I’m sure your son will be fine. Definitely don’t search out issues if he’s feeling fine. If he begins having issues, Dr. Nayak and Dr. Citardi are the ones to go to. Maybe Dr. Das. (These are If you’re in the US)
What type of turbinate reduction did you get?
@@luzvasquez7995 bilateral inferior turbinate submucosal resection with microdebrider. There is no fully safe method of turbinate surgery. Period. People have gotten ENS from every type including outfracture and the incidence is underreported. I advise everyone against turbinate surgery
They don’t want you to eat before anesthesia in case you vomit and choke while under. I asked when I had a liver biopsy last year. Glad you’re on the mend. Sounds scary as hell.
I used to watch videos of Dr. Nayak doing nose surgeries if we’re talking about the same doctor. I’ve always said i would want to see him if i ever get to have septoplasty surgery and a nose job.
He's highly regarded
This is awful that you have been dealing with this. Hoping for many more good days and that you will be back to the old Chris soon! Sending love and good thoughts your way :)
I went to an ENT since I've never really been able to breathe through my nose, and every time I asked about complications they said there weren't any possible. When I mentioned ENS they just said they've never had it happen before and I'm strongly considering just cancelling the surgery which is scheduled a bit over a month ago. It was really nice hearing your perspective since I had a coworker who also had the surgery and didn't mention any issues, but I think as you've said, I haven't tried nearly enough to fix the issue without surgical intervention. I think I'll cancel it for now and just reschedule it if I really feel it's necessary since I'm barely into my twenties.
Just don't let anybody operate on your turbinates! Other than that, you should be okay.
You may just need to get on an allergy regimen. Like a certain spray or something. Lots of those medicines only work if you do them every day and they start to kick in after a few weeks. Really take lots of time to figure it out. Don't rush anything especially if your situation is tolerable.
@@ChrisPetrone Yeah, I've been on allergy immunotherapy for 3 years now to very little in terms of results, but since I don't really experience much pain from not being able to nose breathe I'll cancel the surgery for now
@@forbandyson8921some people say their nose surgery was super beneficial, but others end up with this debilitating condition (which I don’t have, to reiterate, but have been experiencing some symptoms of as I heal). I say exhaust every other option you possibly can including changing diet and environmental factors, etc.
You seem really sensitive. The running the hand through your hair tick kind of makes me think that. It is really noticeable and you may need therapy to stop it.(Cutting your bangs shorter and combing the hair back in front may help you.) Also I had local anesthesia for my turbinate reduction, not everyone has general anesthesia for nasalnl surgery, the septoplacy requires the general anesthesia. I think surgery swelled your nose up and your nose has not yet recovered and calmed down from the trauma of the procedures you had. You may feel a lot better in a couple months after the tissues heal more and the nerves in the nose calm down. Total of 3 months. Dryness does not mean you have ENS and it may be a bad side effect of the surgery, but not ENS. I don't need distilled water for my room humidifier. I use distilled for my cpap machine but not the room humidifier. Do you have ENS? Sounds like you don't and you are scaring people watching this unnecessarily.
@@donniemoder1466 I don’t experience dryness. I’m currently 4 months and 1 week post op, and I’m experiencing issues like a fight/flight state when I breathe. I don’t know if it’s ENS or just part of the healing process, and I hope it goes away in time. I’ve done tons of research on this and I now know that turbinate surgery is far riskier than we are led to believe. Go listen to the podcast Dr. Nayak did this year. He said we don’t fully understand turbinates and how you can do the exact same surgery on 1000 turbinates but a small number of those will end up with ENS
Love ya babe.....so glad to see you and hear that your moving forward and getting better ❤❤
Sorry you’re going through that man. Hopefully you’ll feel back to normal soon.
You fast for 12 hrs to reduce the chance of vomiting during surgery and in recovery.
I’ve never heard of it. I can’t imagine experiencing those symptoms. Glad to hear you are coming out of it.
Did you go for a microdebrider submucosal turbinate reduction?
yes, and I suggest nobody ever gets a turbinate reduction. It's always a dice roll
Is this the case for a simple septoplasty? Or is it really only a risk when you get turbinate reduction?
I’m due to get a simple septoplasty in a couple months.
I'm fairly certain you can only get empty nose syndrome when the turbinates are operated on. You should double check with your surgeon and make sure they don't operate on them.
I’d always leave surgery as a last resort. If you have a good life right now, I’m not sure I’d risk nose surgery. But, if it’s really jacked up and messin with your quality of life, then just a septoplasty alone would be much much much much lower risk of ens, if any. Of course, with any surgery there can be risks. Please do plenty of research
I only got septoplasty and plastic surgery(rhinoplasty)and didn't have turbinate reduction, but I ended up having ENS-like symptoms.
I wish there's more medical studies about ENS caused by septoplasty.
I bet your turbinates were touched
For how long did you experience those symptoms? Also did you check your surgery report? They may have been reduced without your knowledge. You can message your doc and they have to provide it to you
@@healthyisbeautiful8720 The doctor told me that he pushed off my turbinates while the surgery.
@@ChrisPetrone It's been 15 months since I got these symptoms.
I didn't check the medical report. Okay. I will try. Thank you for letting me know about it.