This was awesome! So wonderful to see my friend Justin Peters interview my pastor Dr. Mike Riccardi. Really important subject that has once again been articulated magnificently by Pastor Mike.
Dr. Mike Riccardi, what an absolute treasure of a guest! Settling down to listen and savour. Love the way Our Lord brings these wonderful conversations to us, enabling us to learn and glean and grow.
Justin, I spent all morning listening to this and taking notes. Writing a lot of the scriptures down and rewinding the Video many times. My only problem was that I don't feel as educated as the both of you are, so was having a little difficulty with the meaning of some of the words. I can only pray that Holy Spirit will give me wisdom and understanding. Thank you so much for this opportunity to learn what the Gospel says about those who are His sheep. Blessings to you both. 🙏✝️🙏
The first disciples, who were also those carrying the Gospel to the world after the Resurrection, were mostly fishermen. Even Luke the doctor and Matthew the tax collector had learned from JESUS and not from professors at "seminary" (where's "seminary" in the New Testament???) Don't fret about understanding men. Jesus commands us that the Holy Spirit will teach and guide us (John 14:26 & 16:13) in the Word of God, which is straightforward to understand, ESPECIALLY with the guidance meant for us. Too many people are dependent on man for their theology. They spend 95% of their time listening to man and 5% in the Word listening to Jesus through the Holy Spirit ("my sheep hear my voice") when it should be the other way around. "Now when the Pharisees saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were ordinary and unschooled men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus" (Acts 4:13)
Get Dr. James White’s book: The Sovereign Grace of God. This book will methodically bring you to eye popping understanding. It is written to Chrstians and not to theologians.
I heard this man preach through all of Philippines . God did a work in my heart, it was like every set of verses he did he didnt stop until i understood the text. im thankful He did that and you are obedient to your calling
Thank you brother Justin. This was a such blessing. I initially thought that it would be so deep in the theology, that my mind would grasp. But it was presented in a very simple way, that despite being fairly new to these doctrines, I was left with no doubt. Am so grateful to God that I can truly worship Him knowing I played no part in my salvation. He chose me, and for that am eternally grateful.
Thank you so much for this video, it perfectly clears up a lot of confusion that some false teachers have been spreading in my city that I battled to refute and explain so fantastically as Mike did.
Greetings from Korea, Justin!! Thanks for this incredible interview with Dr. Riccardi! He was my pastor! back in my days at TMS! Greatly thankful for your faithful ministry! I still pray that we will invite you to the Korean version of our future "Strange Fire" conference.
This was a fantastic discussion and I gained additional insight into this subject of limited atonement. Some verses that I find striking in my own time reading through Scripture is John 6:44 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day." Everyone quotes the first part of that verse but skips the later part. Even those who say salvation is available to all. However, what catches my attention is how Jesus declares that ANYONE whom the Father draws, Jesus will raise that person up on the last day. There is no other criteria set. If a choice on the part of man was so critical, you'd think Jesus would address it here right? I've come to understand that Jesus is so confident in the drawing power of the Father, that it's a 100% guaranteed He will raise that person up on the last day. Since we know many people have and will perish in their sins, this can't mean God draws all people but only the elect. Another verse that strikes me is what James says during the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15:14 "Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name." James follows up this statement by quoting Old Testament prophets to support his statement. This correlates with Revelation 5:9-10 perfectly. So, when John says that Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world, he can't mean every single human being. He himself saw the vision of Heaven in Revelation and heard clearly that people from every people group were saved. That is still "the whole world" just not every single person in the whole world. It's clear that the apostles never thought that every Gentile was meant to be saved.
Yup. The Important thing to Remember with The Apostle John (all 12 Apostles in fact) is what he was in this world, a Messianic Jew! "ours" = Elected Messianic Jews, "the whole world" = Elected Gentiles (I fall into the Second Category, just for Clarification). All very simple when you remember what John was in this world. Love and Peace.
I just finished in my private bible study going through John over the course of a few months, and I came out more convinced than every that Jesus died for the sins of His sheep. I had never noticed that in John, Jesus says exactly what you just pointed out in 6:44, but then He keeps on repeating that throughout the rest of the gospel. "This is why I said you can not come to me... etc." Jesus didn't even want to be ambiguous on this point, in fact He couldn't have been any more clear.
Hi Daniel, RC Sproul did a talk on John 6:44 where he said "draws" is the same Greek word where Paul was "dragged" out of the city, stoned and left for dead. We are such sinners that God has to drag us to Him.
Thank you so much for the list of Pastor Mike's sermons in the O Perfect Redemption series. I have been looking for this for ages! Thanks for the interview also.
I greatly appreciate any & all clarification I can get on this particular topic. Especially yours, Brother Peters. I so do hope that you, your wife, &: Mia have a wonderful weekend. God bless.❤
Worked my way into and through his most excellent and timely book. I missed this video interview and am just now getting to it. Thank you, Justin, for conducting this interview with one of my favorite preachers.
This was the most important teaching about salvation I ever had before. Thank you so much, Brother Justin. It is always a pleasure to hear your teaching. Brother Mike, god bless you. Looking forward to learning more.
I have learned so much, thank you Brother Justin. I am from Germany and perhaps you can german undertitel ,i understant not all from your lessons. I wish you the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ my dear Brother
“He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.” 1 John 2:2 On one hand He suffered for the sins of the whole world and on the other hand only the sheep believe and have eternal life. It’s the essence of John 3:16
Excellent show!!! I think you could start another series bringing in these great guys dealing in depth with sticky issues. Give it some thought-great way to bring clarity to those of us who need correction! Thank you for all your hard work!!! God bless you!
No he did not die for the worlf he did not even pray for it. He said himself he died for his sheep, his friends, his bride the church. He gave his life a ransom for many, not all
From Africa, bro, Justin, I look forward your channel 😀 always, I'm so great full we have beliver like you, among, thousands, millions, who is showing the truth, God bless,
God commands all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17,30), that would mean Jesus’ death and resurrection is available to save all men everywhere who repent.
Excellent point. God would no more command sinners to do what was impossible for them to do, any more than He would command an elephant to fly. The fact that God commands mankind to repent, indicates mankind can repent. Not only that, but the Holy Spirit has been sent to convict the world of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment. He will not fail that assignment! Why, oh why, would the Holy Spirit connect any in mankind to repent and believe in a sacrifice not made on their behalf, as concluded in the doctrine of limited atonement?
@@josephbeussink9504 Joseph, you sound like Pelagius, the heretic who was kicked out of the Church because he did not believe the doctrine of salvation as summarized by the St. Augustine prayer (quoted supra). The "elephant" in the room is the One who made elephants and who more importantly chooses (as He told Moses) who is saved. Yes, God commands men to come to repentance, but fallen man totally lacks the ability to make any move in the direction of said repentance. Fallen man must have the intervention of the merciful God. The Holy Spirit makes the first move by regenerating the hopelessly lost sinner, and through grace gives the sinner the saving faith to believe in Him. Ephesians 2:8-9. In the case of God's elect, God will not fail that assignment! Christ did not die in vain for anyone who was ever or who will ever be saved. Isaiah 53:11. "He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied". Not disappointed. Not angry with the Father for having had to endure God's wrath for people who were not elect in the first place. Remember: "Salvation is of the Lord". Jonah 2:9. Cf: John 17:9.
I agree that Mike Riccardi is one of the best theological minds today. We are blessed to have him in the world. Some notes to support what Mike was saying: Professing only = tares aka darnel which looks like wheat but is not wheat Isaiah 55 "all WHO THIRST" So the phrase "who thirst" is a modifier for "all". As far as I can tell, "God so loved the world" in John 3:16 is describing HOW God went about loving the world, not that He loved the world "sooooo much". Just some ideas that came up. Feel free to correct if I am wrong..
Thank you, Justin, for having Mike on and doing this podcast on his book on particular redemption.I finally got consistent in my theology with the help of following James White starting in April 2020 and am fully reformed.I had not heard of Mike before watching this video.Loved it.I plan to buy his book and have already listened to the first sermon in his audio sermon series and fully intend on listening to all of them.I will also be listening to his other sermons.God bless you and your ministry.
Hi Justin thanks for your ministry and I enjoy your RUclips presentations. This was a very good presentation and I would like to read Dr. Riccardi's book sometime. I am a monergist believing in the Sovereignty of God in all His dealings with us in Salvation. The responsibility of man is a subject that I find compelling and of vital importance. Dr. Riccardi's presentation was very good but I was unconvinced by his arguments on 2 Peter 2 and find it a far more difficult passage than Hebrews 6 so it remains on the back burner
I appreciate this guys channel because he really exposes all these false prophets and liars.. Man - this fellow thats getting (no zeal)interviewed is about a stale as my last week loaf of bread, i would chock if i tried to eat it. I have tried to listen to this about 5 times and i just cant make it through to the end.
@@eclipsesonic So those who don't repent and believe, are their sins atoned for? Also note 2 Corinthians 7 where Paul explains the difference between a world sorrow and a godly sorrow. Now will all have a godly sorrow?? Also the Holy Spirit convicts people of sin, righteousness and judgement. So is that happening to all??
@@EpicMushroom27 If you mean atoned, in the sense that, has Jesus died and paid for their sins then yes, if you mean atoned as in, have they accepted the offer of salvation and have had their sins forgiven, then no. No, of course not all will have godly sorrow. To your third question, I would say that yes, the Holy Spirit is working and convicting people, even if they stubbornly reject His calling. I have three scriptures to back up my claim. Firstly, here's what Stephen said to the council in Acts 7:51: "You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you." Notice what God does also to the stubborn Israelites in Isaiah's time in Isaiah 65:2: "I have stretched out My hands all day long to a rebellious people, who walk in a way that is not good, according to their own thoughts." Even those who ultimately reject God, He is patient with them and granting them opportunities to be saved, but they consistently refuse. Jeremiah 7:25-26 also says the same thing: "From the day that your fathers came out of the land of Egypt to this day, I have persistently sent all my servants the prophets to them, day after day; yet they did not listen to me, or incline their ear, but stiffened their neck. They did worse than their fathers."
@@cosmictreason2242 I never said that their sins are forgiven. They're only forgiven when they accept and trust that Jesus is Lord and that He died for their sins and rose again the third day. The payment that Christ did for us doesn't take effect until we accept said payment.
I'm a 24 year old woman and this goes to my fellow sisters in Christ. Ladies, I have a burning issue. Am I the only one who feels like doctrinally sound men who are marriage material within our age group are not easy to find? 😒 Personally, I'm at the urge of giving up, honestly...because I'm not willing to lower my standard as I hold the bible in high esteem😏 I'm sorry for going off topic🙈
It isnt impossible but men in your age group usually have nothing and are busy building themselves up and learning - you probably have to look for someone closer to 30 before you find people who know anything.
How doctrinally sound are you? What’s the error of molinism? The error of EFS? R2K? Is submission of wives to husbands a consequence of the fall, or the created order? May women lead worship? Bible study? Street preaching? What forms of birth control are acceptable? How do we know the Bible is the word of God? What evidence do we have that Jesus rose? What’s the age of the earth? Is it flat? What are the doctrines of grace? Chief end of man? Regulative principle? Are your family integrated? What’s your covenant theology? View of the mode and object of baptism? How is a Biblical divorce prosecuted? How is a Biblical courtship pursued? Should women vote? Should women be in the workplace? Should women live away from their parents? What if their parents are abusive or neglect to exercise their authority responsibly? What’s the Biblical argument against marrying 12 year olds? Biblical evidence that life begins at fertilization? Was first wave feminism good or bad or well intentioned? Do apostolic sign gifts continue to be practiced today? What is the church? Is weekly attendance obligatory? What is your view on sabbatarianism and head coverings? Double predestination? How does God choose whom he will elect? What is the Biblical expectation of a Christian’s giving? What about IVF? What does Trent canon 9 say? What is the main flaw of complementarianism? What is the main criticism of classical apologetics according to presup? What does a testimony need to be considered a testimony? Do men have feminine attributes and vice versa? What is the substitutionary atonement? What’s double imputation? What’s the difference between submission and compliance/apathy? Does a suitor submit to the girl’s father? What cross references do you think are best to prove the Trinity? What 4 aspects are the essential components of Christian worship, commonly called means of grace, and where are they found in scripture? I’m running out of ideas, this was a mental dump. But this is what I would want to know about a girl, just the first go-round of questions
Btw that’s not an attack or a “sit down shut up” type of comment. If a woman answered that with evidence of spiritual maturity, I would want to figure out a way to connect off RUclips (I won’t connect identifying information to this one, to avoid doxing). Thing is, I think there’s two different categories of men, those who truly aren’t ready and then those who are absolutely ready but can’t find qualified women or the women are unreasonably picky. They aren’t willing to “catch him on the way up,” so they delay until he becomes higher demand with other women and picks someone more attractive than her. I’ve pursued a 25 year old, 33 year old, 35 year old, and 28 year old, considering only those I was at “talk to dad” levels of seriousness with. I’m seriously starting to open my mind to consider 19 year olds. If they don’t see a problem with it, then I won’t. They simply have less baggage that keeps them from respecting and submitting. I think I’ve been overlooked by a few of these because they were unreasonably selective regarding physical appearance. In context, the youngest one was head over heels for me because I was darn good looking at the time, and will be again, because being out of work partly due to covid and refusing to patronize the gym because of mask rules led to a bit more difficulty maintaining an exercise regimen. If somebody’s not willing to give grace in that regard then they won’t be getting a second shot, as I am convinced that that encourages infidelity. My income is very variable because of my choice of career but I’m consistently having a margin of several grand a month. I have my own place, and choose to rent rather than buy because of the cost of living benefit to saving money, and am considering buying in the next 2 years with a plan to work on vacation rentals as a side project. Net liquid assets of a year’s median income. I am very annoyed by the attitude that married folks as well as single women seem to hold, that you are not high quality because I don’t have an entourage, or I guess my clothes. If you haven’t even talked to me, I don’t know what else you would judge me by but that. But I’m also conscious of the fact that this very POSITIVE trait of self reflection and conscientiousness gets prejudicially interpreted by many as insecurity, with no consideration given to the fact that I’m sharing insight for the benefit of others and not venting for sympathy. It’s their loss, really. People who are quick to judge are literally in sin and don’t deserve my time or mental effort. I’ll get an amazing wife one day, because I know my worth. I’m guaranteed more spiritually mature than any woman you introduce me to, because I know how much time I’ve spent listening to sound teaching and studying and I know the kinds of conversations I get to have with women in person and online. I’m probably overqualified for you, especially if ALL you’ve got is good theological convictions. A woman at 24 should be very physically fit because she hasn’t spent her 20s being pregnant. I’m smart, funny, kind, gentle, self controlled, wise, able to teach, firm in the faith, physically strong, not easily manipulated either regarding deception, despair, or anger. Able to lead, able to inspire with a bigger picture, having more than one iron in the fire, able to bear up under suffering without being destroyed by it, gifted in teaching and able to give wise counsel, etc etc etc. Doesn’t hurt that I’m extremely romantic but I don’t play games with people’s hearts so you’d only see hints before engagement. I’m sure it’s easy to choose to see this all as judgmental or arrogant or bitter, but it’s just not so. How would you say the same but differently? So in closing - oh I’m 33 btw - I’m “ready to go,” and can only become “more ready” by degrees as I make more money and get in better shape. What are the girls waiting for? Beg your pastor to contact other pastors inquiring about qualified young men who might be solicited to get in touch with your pastor or father. Or you can show off your apparent theological convictions and spiritual maturity on Justin Peters’ Facebook page, and sign off with “btw I’m single, guys. Wife me up.” And you’ll get noticed. I don’t know how else I would find you personally. But here’s the thing: if you judge someone bye first impressions, NOT because they were spiritually ignorant or heretical but because their style of dress or speech or carriage annoyed you (it’s conceivable my comments here would do that for someone), then you are being FOOLISH and limiting your options for love. In fact, I would argue that if you meet a man who is exactly what you want, he’s not the one for you, because either a) you’re missing something, or he’s a sociopath or b) he’s going to frustrate you to death by not leading you well. You know you’ve find a man you can go with, if he says or does things YOU DON’T LIKE (William Gouge, 1622, said this is essential for submission to even be possible), but you can respect him, and trust him, then he’s the right guy, at least right enough to take a closer look at when considering a suitor. I think the reason marriages were frequently largely arranged by women’s fathers is because they know this, that the girl by choosing what she wants will INEVITABLY choose wrong. The man has to choose her. It is not for her to perform the initial screening step. It is for her to attempt to follow a man and see, upon reflection, whether she is feeling affection grow for him and if she respects him and wants to follow him. THEN she chooses him. Getting this out of order is causing untold misery among you young women, because you’re not giving excellent men a chance. But also you’re cloistered away where we’ll never find you. How are we going to know you’re worth the pursuit? Or that you exist to be pursued? I don’t have the time nor the obligation to court 1000 women at random until I improve my statistical chances according to Solomon’s observation. We need help. Your quality must be shown to is somehow. Think about how that might happen. I put a lot of effort into talking to you here, to try to make the world a better place. Consider for the moment, that men like me do this often, but we don’t have the energy to do it ALL the time. If this just gets ignored, consider how exhausting and exasperating that is for a guy, and how it disincentivizes making continued efforts of like kind, in trying to find a good woman. You complained that men aren’t finding you. Now you have someone engaging with you. Are you gonna blow it off and go back to complaining? Consider it not just for me, but any hypothetical guy who also likes Justin Peters which might imply a theological match, who sees this comment thread. It’s your opportunity to show what you’ve got. Then maybe someone can find you on Facebook if you use the same name, and reach out there. Stranger things have happened. I hope this is all useful to you, whether or not it’s pleasing. 💪
Give it to God. His timing is perfect. Draw closer to God and He will give you the desires of your heart. I submitted to God my desire for a godly and faithful man to building a godly home and family. I decided to grow deeper in my relationship with the Father and He provided the man at His timing. Been married for 15 years come July.
Jesus either removed the wrath of God on the cross or He didn't. If He did that for everybody, then no one will have to experience God's wrath in Hell. Otherwise, you're left with Jesus bearing God's wrath AND the sinner in hell bearing that same wrath themselves. Nonsense.
Ashley's husband, Josh, speaking... Dr. Ricardi is leaning on his own understanding, all the while the scriptures still say that "the world by wisdom knew not God." But Ricardi did say that the priest slew the lamb, and then sprinkled the blood. Even so, Jesus atoned for all, but sprinkled only those who receive it: "And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement." (Romans 5:11 KJV)
Before I heard about this book, I had believed that Gary D. Long's book on the topic entitled "Definite Atonement" was the best ever written on the topic, so I can't wait to get Riccardi's book! Now if we can just get Leighton Flowers to read it....
@@JOB1925pk Respectfully, I have read all that I need to from Leighton Flowers. His belief on the nature and the extent of the atonement is not Biblical; he also asserts that the New Birth is conditional. Not only does he believe these errors, and more, but he also teaches them. I fear for him, I truly do.
No... Jesus said he died to save His sheep. If He died & paid for the sins of all mankind, then that would logically result in universalism, which the Bible makes clear is not true.
Whosoever will but all won’t. Tell the world it’s open for them but the choice is individual one. Either you are Christ’s or you’re not…no third option and only God knows who are his own.
zandrello: Christ died for those who were under the law; and that all men were under the law, is shown by the fact that "whosoever will," may avail himself of the provisions of the gospel. The keynote of the Gospel call is “whosoever.” Whosoever Shall Believe: It is by faith that we are saved, and whosoever shall believe should see salvation. “God so loved the world, that he gave His only-begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16. “Whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.” Rev. 22:17. “Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Rom 10:13 No distinction is made; “for there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek.” Christ came “that he might reconcile both [Jew and Gentile] unto God in one body by the cross,” and “through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.” Eph. 2:16, 18. “…seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.” Rom. 3:30 The terms ‘by faith’ and ‘through faith’ have the same meaning. “I am the Door, by Me if any man enter in he shall be saved.” John 10:9 “For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.” Rom. 10:12 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners." 1 Tim. 1:13. Therefore, since all are concluded under sin, it goes without saying that He came to save all. The provision is ample enough for all, but only those who believe can be made partakers. Unfortunately, too many will not acknowledge the authority of God's law, and will not confess themselves to be sinners, and therefore the "promise by faith of Jesus Christ" cannot be given to them; for we are taught in Gal 3:22, that it is necessary for men to be "concluded under sin," in order that they may be sharers in the promise by faith. This shows how the law works in harmony with the promise.
You are correct John 1:6-13 NASB95 - There came a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him. 8 He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light. 9 There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for ***everyone***.” Hebrews 2:9 NKJV
@Jeremiah RICE 3956. πᾶς pas, pas; includ. all the forms of declension; appar. a prim. word; all, any, every, the whole:-all (manner of, means), alway (-s), any (one), × daily, + ever, every (one, way), as many as, + no (-thing), × throughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever.
@@Masonman928 If I wrote in a book "Every one of the girls who went to the dance wore a dress," do I mean that every girl at the dance was wearing a dress? No. Because the context of my statement earlier in the book defines "every girl" as all six friends that walked together to the dance. It would be the same whether I wrote the book in English or in Koine greek. The entire book of Hebrews was written to Jewish believers, the "everyone."
@@alext.8456 The author of Hebrews could have rephrased the sentence in a multitude of ways if that was truly the intent. For example, “might taste death for [every one of you],” or “might taste death for [us],” etc. But instead, he used only one word: “everyone.” There is absolutely nothing in the context of this verse to suggest that “everyone” is referring to the audience only.
Jesus Christ died for "ALL THE MANY" not for "ALL THE EVERYONE". To say otherwise would it not diminish the sovereign willful election of God? For Him to decide sovereignly to have mercy on those whom He chooses to have mercy on and to harden those whom God chooses to harden? Sovereign election and sovereign atonement for all the many, alone? I am going to listen to this interview multiple times. I love the way Mike thinks and articulates his messages. The Holy Spirit rests heavily on this man of God. Thanks Justin for this interview. My mind is being stretched and my faith strengthened!!
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for *everyone* .” Hebrews 2:9 NKJV
G3956 pas; including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word; all, any, every, the whole:-all (manner of, means), alway(-s), any (one), × daily, + ever, every (one, way), as many as, + no(-thing), X thoroughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever.
Hello Brother Justin. Thabk you so much for your labors in the LORD. No nosiness meant here but what is the item that looks like an animal behind you on the top right? I only bring it up because my eye keeps getting drawn to it. In Christ, Janet
Christ died for people who lived hundred thusand years ago. Christ died for millions that never heard of Him. God planted a seed of belif in every human. The seed are the smallest but the three the largest. Men comdemn but God gives grace far beyond any can understand. Thank God He will decide whom is going into heaven, not men.
I think there are basically two ways to say it. God centered and man centered way of explaining. 1. Christ died for His sheep, the elect, His people. 2. Christ died for everyone everywhere who have and will believe in Him by faith. I go with number one because that is overwhelmingly how the Bible puts it. John chapters 6 and 10, for example.
Thank you Justin. So much to absorb. Have so many thoughts. 2Cor. 5:19" ...God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself ... Be reconciled to God.... that we MIGHT BECOME the righteousness of God IN HIM. (A merciful choice?) Rom. 1:20 - 21. ... Without excuse... Knew God ... Not glorify Him as God. Sin of "pride" versus no longer I." Blessings
Wouldnt it be strange to read this passage the Arminian way? "What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying...and say to the sheep 'I love you! If you come with me, I will save you'? What it comes down to, Arminians stumble over man's incapability.
When Adam & Eve sinned, something also happened to the whole of creation, not just adam and eve....So, John 3..."for God so loved the World (not just people), but would also include the whole of creation ...and in some defines. of the word world, could mean "for God so loved the world (the orderly creation including the creation of man) that He gave....."??? not just defining world to mean only man, nations, etc. Dr. R, Thank you for even more insight into that particular topic. Continue to well in the Lord and in His study and thoughts of the Word "as a workman that.....
"For whom did....?" also steve lawson behind the pulpit at one of the conferences. dr m R liked ur use of words "cohere, design and nature of atonement. and definitive purpose."
Our Lord is a just God. He loves all humans the same. When Jesus died on the cross He did it for all people. Everybody has a choise. If we believe in Him we are saved. The Bible tells us so. We don't know who comes to hell or heaven. Only God knows. Only He can judge us. Blessings to all of you!❤
And we are ALL sinners. Since Adam and Ewe. There is no one without sin. So thank you Jesus that you died for us.❤ And those who died B.C lived by the law and God will judge them when He judge us. We will all be judged. And He is just. He is love. Thank you our Lord Jesus. Amen
@@martinkantola3945 Where I live ( in Sweden) we don't have Kalvinism or how you spell it. So I thought it was interesting to listen to what you People have to say. I belong to a Babtiste Church. But it semes like you can't respect a different opinion. You semes very judgemental. I will not write any more comments.
@@marialadybug6261 Du svarade aldrig om du lyssnat på intervjun eller inte. Det är bättre att du faktiskt tar reda på vad som undervisas förrän du kritiserar. Det finns utmärkt undervisning också på svenska om du är intresserad, reformerta baptister i Sverige kan hjälpa dej. Sen kan du ta ställning till vad som är bibliskt eller inte.
Justin please can you check your guest microphone set up before you do the interview i had a real problem with his sound yours was crystal clear but your guests was muffled and hard to hear for me anyway. God bless 🙏✝️
@@JustinPetersMin You've done a fantastic job with the sound quality of your videos, and as you can see from this comment it really matters, especially if people listen on a laptop or a phone (without headphones). There's a lot that can be done to prevent the message from getting lost in transmission. This time the issue was not at your end, however. One way to deal with the poor sound quality of a zoom call or similar is to have the guest record the audio on a separate device at his end and then email it to you. I understand this is way beyond your own resources, but hopefully you could find someone living closer to you that can help with the technical bit. It's a great way to serve our Lord.
if he did, then he died for ppl whom the father did not give him, therefore he disobeyed the father, and therefore died for no one apart fordying cos of his own sins. how then are we to worship him?
Dr. R....have you considered that particular person, who lived in Bethany, named simon, who was a Pharisee, once a leper (nicknamed Simon the Leper).... and father to Judas Iscariot. Simon who bidden Jesus (gave a "party/get together") for Jesus & Lazarus just raised from the dead....where Mary, Laz'' sis, anointed the Lord and Martha served in the home of Simon. Quest: Who would have gone to a reception/party of anyone with leprosy if that person had NOT been healed?....so, that gives greater consideration to what/how/why Our Lord addressed Simon..."Simon, I have somehat to say unto thee..." and then goes on about a creditor and the two debtors, one being Mary and the other ?Simon? Also, that relationship ( the son of a Pharisee and all that entails, along with the money bag) with Simon that J Iscariot had, could be the reason he had "quick" access to the offices of the chief priests, rulers to plot against the Lord...what fisherman, tax person would have open door access to those offices?? Quest: Was J Iscariot married??? IF it is correct in following verse references and Acts1 mentions the office of J Isc, then it leads to a place beginning Psalms 109.5 down that tells of his children being fatherless and wife a widow and about his/their posterity, his own mother and forefathers.???? If these questions are ever answered in later vids and I am misguided, I stand corrected.
I am grateful for the electing saving grace of God. I heard the general call and it was the effectual call that planted in my heart to repent and believe in the Lord Jesus of Christ
@justinpetersmin I don't see the scripture indicating that the atonement is potential, however I have some objections to the answers to the objections to Limited Atonement. There are a lot of special definitions based on presuppositions needed to defend against the objection verses. "World" doesn't mean the "world," specifically here. "All" doesn't mean "all" specifically here. This defense requires the reader to make a decision as to what the bible "really" means based on what they "know it should say." What are verse that specifically say the atonement is limited to the elect? The verses you covered can be used to imply that it is based on the word "few", but at the same time you have to discount the "all" verses. One might equally argue that "many" does not mean "many" based on context, book theme, or verses that say all. I believe that would be equally flawed hermeneutics. I am interested to know, what would be an answer to the Parable of the Treasure in the field? What does the man buying the field to gain the treasure mean if not the redemption of the world to gain the elect?
I watched a debate between Dr. James White and Dr. Michael Brown. One thing I caught onto and haven't been able to forget is the question: Did Christ atone for the sins of the people in Hell? Dr. Brown said all of their sins were in fact atoned for except for the one of not accepting the atonement. I took it back a few steps and remembered that nothing is about me. It's (the work of salvation) the work of Christ. Either God is Sovereign or He isn't. Either He has a plan or He doesn't. Either He creates with a purpose or He doesn't. Either Christ's Sacrifice fulfilled God's wrath or it didn't. Either God the Father gives everyone who has ever lived or ever will live or He hasn't. Being as Romans 1 says that not all will be saved then either Christ's death wasn't enough or God lied in His word. God does not lie. The people in Hell (which God Himself created) are there because of their sin. Limited atonement is the only thing that goes along with Scripture in context. Christ died for the Elect.
Regarding 1 John 2:2. I follow what Riccardi is saying, and especially the analogy with John 11, verses 50-52 is helpful. But exegetically, I have wondered whether 2:2 works for either camp. If it says Jesus "is" the propitiation, that seems possibly different from "Jesus propitiated". The grammar of the verse "He Himself" really emphasizes who or what Jesus is. In other words, it seems like it could be saying Jesus, not anyone else, is the propitiation. To give an example completely outside of the soteriology field, imagine if a cure for every cancer were discovered by a drug company. And the CEO said "This drug itself is the cure for cancer, not just for us, but for the whole world." Now imagine if two group of doctors divided themselves on this statement. One group said, "According to this CEO, there is enough of this drug to supply all the world", they would be mistaken. But the other group heard this and thought "Oh, that statement means this drug has cured all who took it". Both would be wrong. The CEO just was saying something about the drug itself. The drug is the fix for all cancer that the whole world has. The CEO was not addressing whether or not the drug had cured cancer yet ("Calvinist" doctors), nor was he saying that there was enough supply of the drug available to cure everyone ("Arminian" doctors). He was only saying that the drug is the cure for those everywhere who have cancer. Just for full disclosure, I am not at all trying to win the argument on Calvinism or Arminianism on the atonement. Nor am I trying to use this argument to create a middle ground. If you reply to this argument, understand that I am only approaching it exegetically. There are lots of other verses which I think are more clear on this issue.
I can no more completely know all about and define the Holy Trinity than I can completely love God in this sinful flesh I'm in. What I do is cry out Jesus save me as I completely RELY on His finished work on the cross. In this flesh I cannot even fully understand and appreciate the glory of heaven or proper worship. IN HEAVEN I shall.
I don’t have enough knowledge of either Calvinism or Arminian to distinguish between the two. I’m pretty confident that there are some points that both agree upon while others are vastly different. Then add another level of not every person in each camp can’t agree on everything in complete unity. I tend to go back to Scripture in both the Hebrew and the Greek to allow God to speak for Himself. To me the whole world means of every tongue and culture, gentiles. Not to mention that the Jews would be spread all over the world and marrying into gentiles of different cultures and languages. Christ came to reconcile humanity to God, those that accept Him and are drawn by the Holy Spirit. I would like to study more of this and then come to my own conclusions. Thanks for the video.
........WHOSOEVER Believes in him shall not perish??.......................................................................John 3:16 (Simply put) Amen! Interesting interview-Thank you!
if someone tells u ,u are not going to heaven because u are committing a sin u tell them there are over 600 sins any of us could committ on any given day.then ask them if they know all the 600 sins ,can they name them off.if they say no ,u ask them how do u know if your not commiting sins and not going to heaven either.
Favorite quote of the day: “Doxology is rooted in theology”-thanks, Dr. Mike. True praise and glorification of God is rooted in correct understanding of who He is. THAT’S why doctrine matters.
I believe that Christ's atonement was unlimited in its availability (for every human who has, is or ever will live), but only limited in its application (those who believe and put their faith and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ and His death and resurrection for the forgiveness of their sins). There is simply no scripture anywhere that says Christ ONLY died for the elect, but we do have plenty of texts that show that Christ died for all men and for the whosoever. I love you Justin, but I strongly disagree with the limited atonement view in Calvinism.
The great invitation of Our Lord Jesus Christ Matthew 11:28-30 come unto me all you who labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest take my yoke upon you and learn of me for I am meek and lowly in heart and ye shall find rest unto your souls for my yoke is easy and my burden is light. God bless you all Christ died for all mankind we all are Born under the curse of sin and death everyone ❤ also In the end of the canon of scriptures says in Revelation 22:17 for whosoever will come and take of the water of life freely that's a call to salvation 🙏🙏🙏
It seems that some sin(s) that are not covered by Christ's shed blood isn't being judged or 'taken care of' when Jesus said He has overcome the world. He did not let any sin go unjudged; no sin in the world went without being judged and being overcome.
Jesus died for all and all sins that were repented by the sinner. At the Resurrection , from all people and from all the Ages they will be separated between saved- sheep and non saved- goats, those who accepted His dead for their sins and those who did not.
When he says those who die in their bondage.. what does that mean since we all fall short and ALL struggle with some sins even though we have the desire to repent and be delivered. I am not proud of things I struggle. I feel like Paul when he said my spirit is willing but my flesh is weak, but it is not I that sin but the sins of the members of my flesh. I am not sure if I memorized that right.
I’m afraid I don’t agree. At the last supper Jesus did not drink the second cup of judgement. To satisfy God’s justice he died for the world. In ot times you could be present at the ceremony of atonement, but that didn’t mean that you believed in God. God knows the heart. Prior to the incarnation Christ was in Heaven as part of the Godhead. Ot saints were in Abraham’s bosom and written in the the book of life whilst others were in Hades. The possibility of salvation must be open to everyone and so we preach the gospel to all. As God is omniscient he knows who will not come to faith, but justice requires that the offer is open to all. Jesus drank the cup of God’s wrath on the cross then defeated death and Hades as he rose from the tomb. If Jesus Christ did not drink all of God’s wrath why does it say in Revelation about those who rejected Him Revelation 14:10 he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. If Jesus did not die for their sins, why is there wrath to be poured on them in His presence? If He only died for the elect why would He be there? I’m sorry, but there are so many assumptions behind this argument Yours in Christ Kath
We fail to consider the love of God in Jesus atonement, becoming heartless as being "potential" like an electric battery ready to be tapped and used, even commit the sin of pride that he died only for the elect, not seeking God in truth, but conjecture to and fro in imaturity despite being doctors of the bible, learning different arguments and never coming to the truth in John 3:16 "For God so love the world," with love that is compassionate and forbearing that even Jonah was taught about to those who are perishing or under comdemnation (John 3:18) without distinction, be they Jew or Gentiles, elect or non elect, not only in words but also fulfilled the sign of Jonah in the belly of the beast, having given his Beloved Son, Christ Jesus, as a sacrifice, died on the cross, and on the third day resurrected for the forgiveness of sin, (John 1:29) "the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world," with sin in the singular sums up unbelief in God incarnate, Christ Jesus, creator of heaven and earth, by means of unrighteousness outlined in Romans 1 & 2, so covers everyone born on this earth. Did not Jesus, (1 Peter 3) after he died on the cross and resurrected, visit the unbelieving antedulivians who were in prison to proclaim that he died for them so that they had no excuse for their unbelief and are condemned in the prison of hell. Even the unbelievers of today are without excuse not to believe for Jesus died for them. Also, Jesus died for the false teachers mentioned by Peter in 2 Peter 2:1-3, who were in a state of unbelief, hence under condemnation. It is an error to put the said false teachers as really saved since it is purported that Jesus died only for the elect, and even based verse 20 as context which is not the case but says that a believer can never fall into apostasy "if they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and are again entangled in it and are overcome, the last state has become worst for them than the first." Similarly, in Hebrews 6:4-6 "It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the coming age, and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their lost, they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subject him to public disgrace." Indeed, they having pride that Jesus only died for the elect can only mangle Scripture, as well as God's love that is truly amazing in his love and the attributes of his love.
In explaining 1 John 2:2, Riccardi states that the "propitiation" is efficacious but could not be universal because that would mean that Hell would be empty of people. Riccardi fails to understand that people go to Hell (ultimately, the Lake of Fire) not because they have unpropitiated sin but because they are not in the Book of Life. All who believe in Jesus have everlasting life. Those who have died never believing in Jesus do not have everlasting life and, therefore, are not in the Book of Life. Riccardi also states that "the whole world" in 1 John 2:2 means the whole world of the elect only. That is special pleading, reading "the elect" into the verse so that it comports with his theology. Furthermore, John specifically identifies the "whole world" in 1 John 5:19: "We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one." Ricarrdi would not identify the "whole world" here as the elect. Take the verse at face value: Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of all people, believers and unbelievers alike. And He is so that all who simply believe in Him receive everlasting life.
"We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one" You want Pastor Riccardi to place "elect" in place of "whole world" here to prove your point, but you do your own limiting exegesis with it yourself...or do YOU, as a believer, believe that you are being controlled by the evil one?
pertaining to the new covenant, using propitiation and atonement interchangeably will just cause confusion. atonement was a covering and preservation of sins . propitiation is complete forgiveness of sins for the whole world as Paul stated. when Jesus said it is finished the issue of forgiveness for sins ended so that salvation is possible.
I appreciate much of your content Justin. This video however, is why I must unsubscribe. Your guest, Mike literally spent 15 minutes trying to explain propitiation. If I were to argue that Roman’s 10:13 says “whosoever”, I’m sure he would take 30 minutes on that. I believe that Jesus died for every man. I could not imagine thinking I’m in an elite group of believers that God just so happened to choose. This video instructs me to quit wasting my time knocking doors, soul winning, confronting people with the Gospel, and having a bus ministry because those precious kids on those buses are doomed even if persuasive Bible truth convinced them to trust Jesus. John Macarthurism. I’m sad to leave ya Justin.
Love this channel and Justin, but thought the argument was weak and it sounded like the guest was trying to make the bible conform to his opinion. I only want to follow the truth and I was waiting to see if I would be convinced, but I think the argument failed. And also how is this edifying to anyone?. I do accept every word of the bible without question, but writing a book to prove Jesus didn't die for everyone seems a little depressing. But just my opinion.
Aside from one precise detail, I agree with the entire argument as presented in the video. Just as the Day Of Atonement was to all Israel, but those who failed to participate did not have it accounted to them but instead were executed, so God's atonement is offered to all Humanity, but those who do not believe the Gospel do not have it accounted to them but instead go to eternal destruction. When I say "offered to all" I do not mean "intended for all" or "provided to all". By "offered to all" I am accounting for the Gospel call which is to be presented to all without exception. God's intention is a universal offer/call which saves His elect, by His grace, through their belief therein, and vindicates the condemnation of the condemned. This intention is most concisely conveyed in John chapter 3, when God specifies the exact way in which He loved the world. In the way in which Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, in that way the Son Of Man must be lifted up so that everyone who is believing unto Him may not perish but instead may have eternal life. Because in that way God loved the world, plus He gave His Only Begotten Son so that everyone who is believing unto Him may not perish but instead may have eternal life. Because God did not send His Son unto the world to judge the world, but instead so that the world may be saved through Him. He who is believing unto Him is not judged; as yet, he, who is not believing, assuredly is yet judged, in this manner: that he has not believed unto the Only Begotten Son Of God. As yet, this is the judgement, thusly: that the Light has arrived unto the world, and the humans loved the darkness more than the Light because their works had been toilsome. Because everyone, who is practicing bad, hates the Light, and does not come toward the Light, so that his works may not be refuted-and-corrected. As yet, he, who is achieving the Truth, comes toward the Light so that his works may be made apparent in this manner: that they are having been worked in God." The detail, of the sense in which the offer/call is universal, is clarified when God tells Peter "call no man common or unclean". All humanity are God's chosen people-group now, but as God-via-Paul clarified regarding how earthly Israel relate to the promises, "not all are of Israel, who are of Israel". It's a mistake to not clarify the sense in which there is a universal offer/call, and the sense in which atonement is limited to only God's predestined elect, which is indeed clarified in God's singular Gospel purpose as summarized in John chapter 3. If people find error in what is offered to them, they are not going to accept it as correction. This exact detail is a key point of doctrine which the reformed Church need to better understand so that we can carefully teach the clarity of it. The Day Of Atonement typifies how we are to iron-out the final detail. Aside from this one precise detail, I agree with the entire argument as presented in the video. I do also disagree that we do not need Lord Jesus to have died for us to be able to say we believe in Him; the cross is God's chosen means of making Himself apparent, without which apparentness, I cannot say I believe in Him.
Two things need to be stated - on the nature of fallen man he is totally unable to save himself even to the tune of contributing only 1% - man does not accept the offer of the gospel - he receives it ( John 1:12) Christs death was sufficient in its scope to cover the sin of all people but his death achieved salvation and thus justification only for the sheep 😢
Can I suggest that using 1 John 5:19 as a precedent for interpreting world as "all without distinction" is not a good idea. Consider what you are doing. You are taking an instance where the meaning of "world" is intuitive (obvious) and then trying to impose that meaning on another text where that meaning is certainly not intuitive. The fact that you say, "This presents a difficulty" shows that the meaning you are imposing on "world" in 1 John 2:2 is COUNTERINTUITIVE. Can I please suggest that you go back to considering the possibility of a potential view? If the wrath poured on Christ was infinite in extent, and it was, then it is sufficient for all sinners.
General atonement advocates are caught between the rock of universal salvation and the hard place of an 'atonement' that doesn't actually atone, but must be supplemented with works, or a 'free will'-generated faith, to be effective.
People who believe in The Atonement are supported by the foundation of God's Word and his plain and spoken language. You people who try to limit the Blood and its power dance closely to flames.
@@gregb6469 Why do you hide behind asking questions as if what was said was not already clear? It is because you want it rephrased for an attempt to disagree and it is shameful.
This was awesome! So wonderful to see my friend Justin Peters interview my pastor Dr. Mike Riccardi. Really important subject that has once again been articulated magnificently by Pastor Mike.
I concur Alan, you are blessed to have an abundance of capable faithful pastors there at Grace CC. Your channel isn’t too shabby either😉
Dr. Mike Riccardi, what an absolute treasure of a guest! Settling down to listen and savour. Love the way Our Lord brings these wonderful conversations to us, enabling us to learn and glean and grow.
This might just be one of the best videos I have ever watched on atonement. Thank you brothers.
Praise the Lord! Thank you, brother :)
This is definitely a teaching to listen to more than once!. Thank you brother Justin and Dr. Mike.
Definitely
Justin, I spent all morning listening to this and taking notes. Writing a lot of the scriptures down and rewinding the Video many times. My only problem was that I don't feel as educated as the both of you are, so was having a little difficulty with the meaning of some of the words. I can only pray that Holy Spirit will give me wisdom and understanding. Thank you so much for this opportunity to learn what the Gospel says about those who are His sheep. Blessings to you both. 🙏✝️🙏
@Lori MacDuff It will come in time. Be patient and keep learning everyday. You will be surprised how much you have learned after a few months.
The first disciples, who were also those carrying the Gospel to the world after the Resurrection, were mostly fishermen.
Even Luke the doctor and Matthew the tax collector had learned from JESUS and not from professors at "seminary" (where's "seminary" in the New Testament???)
Don't fret about understanding men.
Jesus commands us that the Holy Spirit will teach and guide us (John 14:26 & 16:13) in the Word of God, which is straightforward to understand, ESPECIALLY with the guidance meant for us.
Too many people are dependent on man for their theology. They spend 95% of their time listening to man and 5% in the Word listening to Jesus through the Holy Spirit ("my sheep hear my voice") when it should be the other way around.
"Now when the Pharisees saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were ordinary and unschooled men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus" (Acts 4:13)
Get Dr. James White’s book: The Sovereign Grace of God. This book will methodically bring you to eye popping understanding. It is written to Chrstians and not to theologians.
@@heidilees.4407 I wish I were a Christian, not just a theologian lol
I heard this man preach through all of Philippines . God did a work in my heart, it was like every set of verses he did he
didnt stop until i understood the text. im thankful He did that and you are obedient to your calling
Awesome way to start the weekend Yay Justin! 🙏💕🍁🥰Nice to meet you Pastor Mike cant wait to read your books! Blessings from Canada
Blessings to you as well! :)
@@JustinPetersMin Gushing this person thanks Justin! 😅
Thank you brother Justin. This was a such blessing. I initially thought that it would be so deep in the theology, that my mind would grasp. But it was presented in a very simple way, that despite being fairly new to these doctrines, I was left with no doubt. Am so grateful to God that I can truly worship Him knowing I played no part in my salvation. He chose me, and for that am eternally grateful.
Exactly🙏
Dr. Riccardi is one of my favorite people.
Same here, brother :)
Hi Justin. Hope you are well. Thank you for your beautiful ministry. Thank you Dr Mike.. ❤ Jesus is coming very soon. 😁🙏💓🇦🇺
Thank you so much for this video, it perfectly clears up a lot of confusion that some false teachers have been spreading in my city that I battled to refute and explain so fantastically as Mike did.
Excellent interview. Amazing responses to tough questions. I learned so much. Thank you to both brother Justin and brother Mike. 🙏
Greetings from Korea, Justin!! Thanks for this incredible interview with Dr. Riccardi! He was my pastor! back in my days at TMS! Greatly thankful for your faithful ministry! I still pray that we will invite you to the Korean version of our future "Strange Fire" conference.
This was a fantastic discussion and I gained additional insight into this subject of limited atonement. Some verses that I find striking in my own time reading through Scripture is John 6:44 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day." Everyone quotes the first part of that verse but skips the later part. Even those who say salvation is available to all. However, what catches my attention is how Jesus declares that ANYONE whom the Father draws, Jesus will raise that person up on the last day. There is no other criteria set. If a choice on the part of man was so critical, you'd think Jesus would address it here right? I've come to understand that Jesus is so confident in the drawing power of the Father, that it's a 100% guaranteed He will raise that person up on the last day. Since we know many people have and will perish in their sins, this can't mean God draws all people but only the elect. Another verse that strikes me is what James says during the Jerusalem Council in Acts 15:14 "Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take from them a people for his name." James follows up this statement by quoting Old Testament prophets to support his statement. This correlates with Revelation 5:9-10 perfectly. So, when John says that Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of the whole world, he can't mean every single human being. He himself saw the vision of Heaven in Revelation and heard clearly that people from every people group were saved. That is still "the whole world" just not every single person in the whole world. It's clear that the apostles never thought that every Gentile was meant to be saved.
Thank you so much, brother - blessings to you :)
Yup. The Important thing to Remember with The Apostle John (all 12 Apostles in fact) is what he was in this world, a Messianic Jew!
"ours" = Elected Messianic Jews, "the whole world" = Elected Gentiles (I fall into the Second Category, just for Clarification).
All very simple when you remember what John was in this world.
Love and Peace.
I just finished in my private bible study going through John over the course of a few months, and I came out more convinced than every that Jesus died for the sins of His sheep. I had never noticed that in John, Jesus says exactly what you just pointed out in 6:44, but then He keeps on repeating that throughout the rest of the gospel. "This is why I said you can not come to me... etc." Jesus didn't even want to be ambiguous on this point, in fact He couldn't have been any more clear.
@@HartyBiker amen to that!
Hi Daniel, RC Sproul did a talk on John 6:44 where he said "draws" is the same Greek word where Paul was "dragged" out of the city, stoned and left for dead. We are such sinners that God has to drag us to Him.
I can’t even begin to explain how helpful this was! The part on Christ’s intersession in John 17 was Awesome 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Thank you so much for the list of Pastor Mike's sermons in the O Perfect Redemption series. I have been looking for this for ages! Thanks for the interview also.
I greatly appreciate any & all clarification I can get on this particular topic. Especially yours, Brother Peters. I so do hope that you, your wife, &: Mia have a wonderful weekend. God bless.❤
Thank you so much, Sarah - blessings to you as well :)
@@JustinPetersMin You're very welcome, kind Sir.🌹
Worked my way into and through his most excellent and timely book. I missed this video interview and am just now getting to it. Thank you, Justin, for conducting this interview with one of my favorite preachers.
This was the most important teaching about salvation I ever had before. Thank you so much, Brother Justin. It is always a pleasure to hear your teaching.
Brother Mike, god bless you. Looking forward to learning more.
I have learned so much, thank you Brother Justin. I am from Germany and perhaps you can german undertitel ,i understant not all from your lessons. I wish you the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ my dear Brother
“He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.”
1 John 2:2
On one hand He suffered for the sins of the whole world and on the other hand only the sheep believe and have eternal life. It’s the essence of John 3:16
"The whole world" = people from every tribe, tongue, peoples and nation.Or another way it's meant is not just Jews but both Jews and Gentiles.
Is every ALL in scripture inclusive of the entire world ??
@@bigtobacco1098 in this case it appears to be the κόσμου rather than the Roman world, οἰκουμένῃ
This was very informative and brought clarity. Thanks
The exegesis of 1 John and 2 Peter were really helpful since those are commonly attacked. Thank you
Excellent show!!! I think you could start another series bringing in these great guys dealing in depth with sticky issues. Give it some thought-great way to bring clarity to those of us who need correction! Thank you for all your hard work!!! God bless you!
The world. Kosmos in Greek a general term for humanity, Jews and Gentiles. Jesus in the gospels said He laid down His life for the sheep.
Correct :)
@@JustinPetersMin Ezekiel 36:23-27 God will finish what he starts.
God bless
No he did not die for the worlf he did not even pray for it. He said himself he died for his sheep, his friends, his bride the church. He gave his life a ransom for many, not all
they become goat because Jesus did save them?
@Stuart Johnson true.John chapter 17 ,he say I do not pray for world but those given to him from the world.
From Africa, bro, Justin, I look forward your channel 😀 always, I'm so great full we have beliver like you, among, thousands, millions, who is showing the truth, God bless,
Excellent study, Bro. Mike and Bro. Justin
God commands all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17,30), that would mean Jesus’ death and resurrection is available to save all men everywhere who repent.
And like St. Augustine prayed:
Lord, command what you will, and
Grant what you command.
Excellent point. God would no more command sinners to do what was impossible for them to do, any more than He would command an elephant to fly. The fact that God commands mankind to repent, indicates mankind can repent. Not only that, but the Holy Spirit has been sent to convict the world of sin, of righteousness, and of judgment. He will not fail that assignment! Why, oh why, would the Holy Spirit connect any in mankind to repent and believe in a sacrifice not made on their behalf, as concluded in the doctrine of limited atonement?
@@josephbeussink9504 Joseph, you sound like Pelagius, the heretic who was kicked out of the Church because he did not believe the doctrine of salvation as summarized by the St. Augustine prayer (quoted supra). The "elephant" in the room is the One who made elephants and who more importantly chooses (as He told Moses) who is saved.
Yes, God commands men to come to repentance, but fallen man totally lacks the ability to make any move in the direction of said repentance. Fallen man must have the intervention of the merciful God.
The Holy Spirit makes the first move by regenerating the hopelessly lost sinner, and through grace gives the sinner the saving faith to believe in Him. Ephesians 2:8-9. In the case of God's elect, God will not fail that assignment!
Christ did not die in vain for anyone who was ever or who will ever be saved. Isaiah 53:11. "He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied". Not disappointed. Not angry with the Father for having had to endure God's wrath for people who were not elect in the first place.
Remember: "Salvation is of the Lord". Jonah 2:9. Cf: John 17:9.
Amen! It is finished! Jesus did not say ive done my part, now do your part.
Particular redemption means atonement is efficacious to ALL without distinction but not without exemption
I agree that Mike Riccardi is one of the best theological minds today. We are blessed to have him in the world.
Some notes to support what Mike was saying:
Professing only = tares
aka darnel which looks like wheat but is not wheat
Isaiah 55 "all WHO THIRST" So the phrase "who thirst" is a modifier for "all".
As far as I can tell, "God so loved the world" in John 3:16 is describing HOW God went about loving the world, not that He loved the world "sooooo much".
Just some ideas that came up. Feel free to correct if I am wrong..
Thank you, Justin, for having Mike on and doing this podcast on his book on particular redemption.I finally got consistent in my theology with the help of following James White starting in April 2020 and am fully reformed.I had not heard of Mike before watching this video.Loved it.I plan to buy his book and have already listened to the first sermon in his audio sermon series and fully intend on listening to all of them.I will also be listening to his other sermons.God bless you and your ministry.
Thank you Justin. The more I watch your videos the more I am glad I am Arminist.
Hi Justin thanks for your ministry and I enjoy your RUclips presentations. This was a very good presentation and I would like to read Dr. Riccardi's book sometime. I am a monergist believing in the Sovereignty of God in all His dealings with us in Salvation. The responsibility of man is a subject that I find compelling and of vital importance. Dr. Riccardi's presentation was very good but I was unconvinced by his arguments on 2 Peter 2 and find it a far more difficult passage than Hebrews 6 so it remains on the back burner
I appreciate this guys channel because he really exposes all these false prophets and liars.. Man - this fellow thats getting (no zeal)interviewed is about a stale as my last week loaf of bread, i would chock if i tried to eat it. I have tried to listen to this about 5 times and i just cant make it through to the end.
Jesus died for all but not all will accept it.
Amen. I disagree with Justin and Mike on this position that Christ ONLY died for the elect.
@@eclipsesonic So those who don't repent and believe, are their sins atoned for?
Also note 2 Corinthians 7 where Paul explains the difference between a world sorrow and a godly sorrow. Now will all have a godly sorrow??
Also the Holy Spirit convicts people of sin, righteousness and judgement. So is that happening to all??
@@EpicMushroom27 If you mean atoned, in the sense that, has Jesus died and paid for their sins then yes, if you mean atoned as in, have they accepted the offer of salvation and have had their sins forgiven, then no.
No, of course not all will have godly sorrow.
To your third question, I would say that yes, the Holy Spirit is working and convicting people, even if they stubbornly reject His calling. I have three scriptures to back up my claim. Firstly, here's what Stephen said to the council in Acts 7:51:
"You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you."
Notice what God does also to the stubborn Israelites in Isaiah's time in Isaiah 65:2:
"I have stretched out My hands all day long to a rebellious people, who walk in a way that is not good, according to their own thoughts."
Even those who ultimately reject God, He is patient with them and granting them opportunities to be saved, but they consistently refuse. Jeremiah 7:25-26 also says the same thing:
"From the day that your fathers came out of the land of Egypt to this day, I have persistently sent all my servants the prophets to them, day after day; yet they did not listen to me, or incline their ear, but stiffened their neck. They did worse than their fathers."
@@eclipsesonic if their sins are forgiven, why are they in hell? Isn’t sin the reason you go to hell?
@@cosmictreason2242 I never said that their sins are forgiven. They're only forgiven when they accept and trust that Jesus is Lord and that He died for their sins and rose again the third day.
The payment that Christ did for us doesn't take effect until we accept said payment.
I'm a 24 year old woman and this goes to my fellow sisters in Christ. Ladies, I have a burning issue. Am I the only one who feels like doctrinally sound men who are marriage material within our age group are not easy to find? 😒
Personally, I'm at the urge of giving up, honestly...because I'm not willing to lower my standard as I hold the bible in high esteem😏
I'm sorry for going off topic🙈
It isnt impossible but men in your age group usually have nothing and are busy building themselves up and learning - you probably have to look for someone closer to 30 before you find people who know anything.
We’re all over the place. Where can you be found?
How doctrinally sound are you? What’s the error of molinism? The error of EFS? R2K? Is submission of wives to husbands a consequence of the fall, or the created order? May women lead worship? Bible study? Street preaching? What forms of birth control are acceptable? How do we know the Bible is the word of God? What evidence do we have that Jesus rose? What’s the age of the earth? Is it flat? What are the doctrines of grace? Chief end of man? Regulative principle? Are your family integrated? What’s your covenant theology? View of the mode and object of baptism? How is a Biblical divorce prosecuted? How is a Biblical courtship pursued? Should women vote? Should women be in the workplace? Should women live away from their parents? What if their parents are abusive or neglect to exercise their authority responsibly? What’s the Biblical argument against marrying 12 year olds? Biblical evidence that life begins at fertilization? Was first wave feminism good or bad or well intentioned? Do apostolic sign gifts continue to be practiced today? What is the church? Is weekly attendance obligatory? What is your view on sabbatarianism and head coverings? Double predestination? How does God choose whom he will elect? What is the Biblical expectation of a Christian’s giving? What about IVF? What does Trent canon 9 say? What is the main flaw of complementarianism? What is the main criticism of classical apologetics according to presup? What does a testimony need to be considered a testimony? Do men have feminine attributes and vice versa? What is the substitutionary atonement? What’s double imputation? What’s the difference between submission and compliance/apathy? Does a suitor submit to the girl’s father? What cross references do you think are best to prove the Trinity? What 4 aspects are the essential components of Christian worship, commonly called means of grace, and where are they found in scripture?
I’m running out of ideas, this was a mental dump. But this is what I would want to know about a girl, just the first go-round of questions
Btw that’s not an attack or a “sit down shut up” type of comment. If a woman answered that with evidence of spiritual maturity, I would want to figure out a way to connect off RUclips (I won’t connect identifying information to this one, to avoid doxing). Thing is, I think there’s two different categories of men, those who truly aren’t ready and then those who are absolutely ready but can’t find qualified women or the women are unreasonably picky. They aren’t willing to “catch him on the way up,” so they delay until he becomes higher demand with other women and picks someone more attractive than her. I’ve pursued a 25 year old, 33 year old, 35 year old, and 28 year old, considering only those I was at “talk to dad” levels of seriousness with. I’m seriously starting to open my mind to consider 19 year olds. If they don’t see a problem with it, then I won’t. They simply have less baggage that keeps them from respecting and submitting. I think I’ve been overlooked by a few of these because they were unreasonably selective regarding physical appearance. In context, the youngest one was head over heels for me because I was darn good looking at the time, and will be again, because being out of work partly due to covid and refusing to patronize the gym because of mask rules led to a bit more difficulty maintaining an exercise regimen. If somebody’s not willing to give grace in that regard then they won’t be getting a second shot, as I am convinced that that encourages infidelity. My income is very variable because of my choice of career but I’m consistently having a margin of several grand a month. I have my own place, and choose to rent rather than buy because of the cost of living benefit to saving money, and am considering buying in the next 2 years with a plan to work on vacation rentals as a side project. Net liquid assets of a year’s median income. I am very annoyed by the attitude that married folks as well as single women seem to hold, that you are not high quality because I don’t have an entourage, or I guess my clothes. If you haven’t even talked to me, I don’t know what else you would judge me by but that. But I’m also conscious of the fact that this very POSITIVE trait of self reflection and conscientiousness gets prejudicially interpreted by many as insecurity, with no consideration given to the fact that I’m sharing insight for the benefit of others and not venting for sympathy. It’s their loss, really. People who are quick to judge are literally in sin and don’t deserve my time or mental effort. I’ll get an amazing wife one day, because I know my worth. I’m guaranteed more spiritually mature than any woman you introduce me to, because I know how much time I’ve spent listening to sound teaching and studying and I know the kinds of conversations I get to have with women in person and online. I’m probably overqualified for you, especially if ALL you’ve got is good theological convictions. A woman at 24 should be very physically fit because she hasn’t spent her 20s being pregnant. I’m smart, funny, kind, gentle, self controlled, wise, able to teach, firm in the faith, physically strong, not easily manipulated either regarding deception, despair, or anger. Able to lead, able to inspire with a bigger picture, having more than one iron in the fire, able to bear up under suffering without being destroyed by it, gifted in teaching and able to give wise counsel, etc etc etc. Doesn’t hurt that I’m extremely romantic but I don’t play games with people’s hearts so you’d only see hints before engagement. I’m sure it’s easy to choose to see this all as judgmental or arrogant or bitter, but it’s just not so. How would you say the same but differently? So in closing - oh I’m 33 btw - I’m “ready to go,” and can only become “more ready” by degrees as I make more money and get in better shape. What are the girls waiting for? Beg your pastor to contact other pastors inquiring about qualified young men who might be solicited to get in touch with your pastor or father. Or you can show off your apparent theological convictions and spiritual maturity on Justin Peters’ Facebook page, and sign off with “btw I’m single, guys. Wife me up.” And you’ll get noticed. I don’t know how else I would find you personally. But here’s the thing: if you judge someone bye first impressions, NOT because they were spiritually ignorant or heretical but because their style of dress or speech or carriage annoyed you (it’s conceivable my comments here would do that for someone), then you are being FOOLISH and limiting your options for love. In fact, I would argue that if you meet a man who is exactly what you want, he’s not the one for you, because either a) you’re missing something, or he’s a sociopath or b) he’s going to frustrate you to death by not leading you well. You know you’ve find a man you can go with, if he says or does things YOU DON’T LIKE (William Gouge, 1622, said this is essential for submission to even be possible), but you can respect him, and trust him, then he’s the right guy, at least right enough to take a closer look at when considering a suitor. I think the reason marriages were frequently largely arranged by women’s fathers is because they know this, that the girl by choosing what she wants will INEVITABLY choose wrong. The man has to choose her. It is not for her to perform the initial screening step. It is for her to attempt to follow a man and see, upon reflection, whether she is feeling affection grow for him and if she respects him and wants to follow him. THEN she chooses him. Getting this out of order is causing untold misery among you young women, because you’re not giving excellent men a chance. But also you’re cloistered away where we’ll never find you. How are we going to know you’re worth the pursuit? Or that you exist to be pursued? I don’t have the time nor the obligation to court 1000 women at random until I improve my statistical chances according to Solomon’s observation. We need help. Your quality must be shown to is somehow. Think about how that might happen.
I put a lot of effort into talking to you here, to try to make the world a better place. Consider for the moment, that men like me do this often, but we don’t have the energy to do it ALL the time. If this just gets ignored, consider how exhausting and exasperating that is for a guy, and how it disincentivizes making continued efforts of like kind, in trying to find a good woman. You complained that men aren’t finding you. Now you have someone engaging with you. Are you gonna blow it off and go back to complaining? Consider it not just for me, but any hypothetical guy who also likes Justin Peters which might imply a theological match, who sees this comment thread. It’s your opportunity to show what you’ve got. Then maybe someone can find you on Facebook if you use the same name, and reach out there. Stranger things have happened. I hope this is all useful to you, whether or not it’s pleasing. 💪
Give it to God. His timing is perfect. Draw closer to God and He will give you the desires of your heart. I submitted to God my desire for a godly and faithful man to building a godly home and family. I decided to grow deeper in my relationship with the Father and He provided the man at His timing. Been married for 15 years come July.
Wonderful video! Thank you!
The Extent of the Atonment, whosoever
Application, those who come to Christ.
Jesus either removed the wrath of God on the cross or He didn't. If He did that for everybody, then no one will have to experience God's wrath in Hell. Otherwise, you're left with Jesus bearing God's wrath AND the sinner in hell bearing that same wrath themselves. Nonsense.
Ashley's husband, Josh, speaking...
Dr. Ricardi is leaning on his own understanding, all the while the scriptures still say that "the world by wisdom knew not God."
But Ricardi did say that the priest slew the lamb, and then sprinkled the blood. Even so, Jesus atoned for all, but sprinkled only those who receive it:
"And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement." (Romans 5:11 KJV)
Thank you!!
Before I heard about this book, I had believed that Gary D. Long's book on the topic entitled "Definite Atonement" was the best ever written on the topic, so I can't wait to get Riccardi's book! Now if we can just get Leighton Flowers to read it....
You should read some of Leighton Flower's books...
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Respectfully, I have read all that I need to from Leighton Flowers. His belief on the nature and the extent of the atonement is not Biblical; he also asserts that the New Birth is conditional. Not only does he believe these errors, and more, but he also teaches them. I fear for him, I truly do.
Amen!
I would love to see a debate between Flowers and Riccardi on Definite Atonement.
That was awesome!!! 🎉 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 fantastic!!
Thank u Bro Justin & Dr Mike, I'm a lil hard of hearing n as some undertone sounds are hard for me to catch, I'll listen a few more times🖤💟🙏🙏🙏
Blessings to you, Betty! Thank you for listening :)
Just frustrated that I can’t give more than one thumbs up in the ratings for this video!👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
He died to save all mankind but all of mankind won’t be saved. No greater love or gift and we will need eternity to thank Him.
No... Jesus said he died to save His sheep. If He died & paid for the sins of all mankind, then that would logically result in universalism, which the Bible makes clear is not true.
Whosoever will but all won’t. Tell the world it’s open for them but the choice is individual one. Either you are Christ’s or you’re not…no third option and only God knows who are his own.
zandrello: Christ died for those who were under the law; and that all men were under the law, is shown by the fact that "whosoever will," may avail himself of the provisions of the gospel.
The keynote of the Gospel call is “whosoever.”
Whosoever Shall Believe: It is by faith that we are saved, and whosoever shall believe should see salvation.
“God so loved the world, that he gave His only-begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 3:16.
“Whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.” Rev. 22:17. “Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.” Rom 10:13
No distinction is made; “for there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek.” Christ came “that he might reconcile both [Jew and Gentile] unto God in one body by the cross,” and “through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.” Eph. 2:16, 18. “…seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.” Rom. 3:30
The terms ‘by faith’ and ‘through faith’ have the same meaning.
“I am the Door, by Me if any man enter in he shall be saved.” John 10:9
“For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.” Rom. 10:12
This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners." 1 Tim. 1:13. Therefore, since all are concluded under sin, it goes without saying that He came to save all. The provision is ample enough for all, but only those who believe can be made partakers.
Unfortunately, too many will not acknowledge the authority of God's law, and will not confess
themselves to be sinners, and therefore the "promise by faith of Jesus Christ" cannot be given to them; for we are taught in Gal 3:22, that it is necessary for men to be "concluded under sin," in order that they may be sharers in the promise by faith. This shows how the law works in harmony with the promise.
You are correct John 1:6-13 NASB95 - There came a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him. 8 He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light.
9 There was the true Light which, coming into the world, enlightens every man. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and those who were His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name, 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
For God so loved the world but the whole world won’t be saved. It’s a gift and some don’t open theirs.
If only we followed Apostle Paul’s teaching and instruction in 2 Timothy 2:15. (KJV)
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for ***everyone***.”
Hebrews 2:9 NKJV
@Jeremiah RICE 3956. πᾶς pas, pas; includ. all the forms of declension; appar. a prim. word; all, any, every, the whole:-all (manner of, means), alway (-s), any (one), × daily, + ever, every (one, way), as many as, + no (-thing), × throughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever.
@@Masonman928 If I wrote in a book "Every one of the girls who went to the dance wore a dress," do I mean that every girl at the dance was wearing a dress? No. Because the context of my statement earlier in the book defines "every girl" as all six friends that walked together to the dance. It would be the same whether I wrote the book in English or in Koine greek. The entire book of Hebrews was written to Jewish believers, the "everyone."
@@alext.8456 The author of Hebrews could have rephrased the sentence in a multitude of ways if that was truly the intent. For example, “might taste death for [every one of you],” or “might taste death for [us],” etc. But instead, he used only one word: “everyone.” There is absolutely nothing in the context of this verse to suggest that “everyone” is referring to the audience only.
Jesus Christ died for "ALL THE MANY" not for "ALL THE EVERYONE". To say otherwise would it not diminish the sovereign willful election of God? For Him to decide sovereignly to have mercy on those whom He chooses to have mercy on and to harden those whom God chooses to harden? Sovereign election and sovereign atonement for all the many, alone?
I am going to listen to this interview multiple times. I love the way Mike thinks and articulates his messages. The Holy Spirit rests heavily on this man of God. Thanks Justin for this interview. My mind is being stretched and my faith strengthened!!
“But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for *everyone* .”
Hebrews 2:9 NKJV
G3956 pas; including all the forms of declension; apparently a primary word; all, any, every, the whole:-all (manner of, means), alway(-s), any (one), × daily, + ever, every (one, way), as many as, + no(-thing), X thoroughly, whatsoever, whole, whosoever.
@@Masonman928 every one of the elect bruh
Hello Brother Justin. Thabk you so much for your labors in the LORD. No nosiness meant here but what is the item that looks like an animal behind you on the top right? I only bring it up because my eye keeps getting drawn to it. In Christ, Janet
Well it is available to everyone… but only his sheep will hear the calling and respond.
Both sides limit the atonement. Some limit its efficacy while others limit its extent. The Bible supports the latter.
Absolutely correct, Carol - blessings to you :)
I'm excited this video
Christ died for people who lived hundred thusand years ago. Christ died for millions that never heard of Him. God planted a seed of belif in every human. The seed are the smallest but the three the largest. Men comdemn but God gives grace far beyond any can understand. Thank God He will decide whom is going into heaven, not men.
I think there are basically two ways to say it. God centered and man centered way of explaining.
1. Christ died for His sheep, the elect, His people.
2. Christ died for everyone everywhere who have and will believe in Him by faith.
I go with number one because that is overwhelmingly how the Bible puts it.
John chapters 6 and 10, for example.
Thank you Justin. So much to absorb. Have so many thoughts. 2Cor. 5:19" ...God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself ... Be reconciled to God.... that we MIGHT BECOME the righteousness of God IN HIM. (A merciful choice?) Rom. 1:20 - 21. ... Without excuse... Knew God ... Not glorify Him as God. Sin of "pride" versus no longer I." Blessings
Wouldnt it be strange to read this passage the Arminian way? "What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying...and say to the sheep 'I love you! If you come with me, I will save you'? What it comes down to, Arminians stumble over man's incapability.
When Adam & Eve sinned, something also happened to the whole of creation, not just adam and eve....So, John 3..."for God so loved the World (not just people), but would also include the whole of creation ...and in some defines. of the word world, could mean "for God so loved the world (the orderly creation including the creation of man) that He gave....."??? not just defining world to mean only man, nations, etc. Dr. R, Thank you for even more insight into that particular topic. Continue to well in the Lord and in His study and thoughts of the Word "as a workman that.....
Great interview. I only wish JP would refrain from so many sound effects.
“Yep”…”Yeah”….
"For whom did....?" also steve lawson behind the pulpit at one of the conferences. dr m R liked ur use of words "cohere, design and nature of atonement. and definitive purpose."
Our Lord is a just God. He loves all humans the same. When Jesus died on the cross He did it for all people. Everybody has a choise. If we believe in Him we are saved. The Bible tells us so. We don't know who comes to hell or heaven. Only God knows. Only He can judge us.
Blessings to all of you!❤
@Rodrick Evans Defend my position? I'm not on trial here.
Read John 3: 16
And we are ALL sinners. Since Adam and Ewe. There is no one without sin. So thank you Jesus that you died for us.❤
And those who died B.C lived by the law and God will judge them when He judge us. We will all be judged. And He is just. He is love.
Thank you our Lord Jesus. Amen
Somehow I don't think you even listened to the whole video before commenting.
@@martinkantola3945 Where I live ( in Sweden) we don't have Kalvinism or how you spell it. So I thought it was interesting to listen to what you People have to say. I belong to a Babtiste Church. But it semes like you can't respect a different opinion. You semes very judgemental. I will not write any more comments.
@@marialadybug6261 Du svarade aldrig om du lyssnat på intervjun eller inte. Det är bättre att du faktiskt tar reda på vad som undervisas förrän du kritiserar. Det finns utmärkt undervisning också på svenska om du är intresserad, reformerta baptister i Sverige kan hjälpa dej. Sen kan du ta ställning till vad som är bibliskt eller inte.
Justin please can you check your guest microphone set up before you do the interview i had a real problem with his sound yours was crystal clear but your guests was muffled and hard to hear for me anyway. God bless 🙏✝️
I'm sorry but it was the best we could do.
@@JustinPetersMin ok thank you and God bless you, your family and Ministry 🙏✝️
@@JustinPetersMin You've done a fantastic job with the sound quality of your videos, and as you can see from this comment it really matters, especially if people listen on a laptop or a phone (without headphones). There's a lot that can be done to prevent the message from getting lost in transmission. This time the issue was not at your end, however.
One way to deal with the poor sound quality of a zoom call or similar is to have the guest record the audio on a separate device at his end and then email it to you. I understand this is way beyond your own resources, but hopefully you could find someone living closer to you that can help with the technical bit. It's a great way to serve our Lord.
When are you coming back to Laredo?
It's all very logical.
if he did, then he died for ppl whom the father did not give him, therefore he disobeyed the father, and therefore died for no one apart fordying cos of his own sins. how then are we to worship him?
Dr. R....have you considered that particular person, who lived in Bethany, named simon, who was a Pharisee, once a leper (nicknamed Simon the Leper).... and father to Judas Iscariot. Simon who bidden Jesus (gave a "party/get together") for Jesus & Lazarus just raised from the dead....where Mary, Laz'' sis, anointed the Lord and Martha served in the home of Simon.
Quest: Who would have gone to a reception/party of anyone with leprosy if that person had NOT been healed?....so, that gives greater consideration to what/how/why Our Lord addressed Simon..."Simon, I have somehat to say unto thee..." and then goes on about a creditor and the two debtors, one being Mary and the other ?Simon?
Also, that relationship ( the son of a Pharisee and all that entails, along with the money bag) with Simon that J Iscariot had, could be the reason he had "quick" access to the offices of the chief priests, rulers to plot against the Lord...what fisherman, tax person would have open door access to those offices??
Quest: Was J Iscariot married??? IF it is correct in following verse references and Acts1 mentions the office of J Isc, then it leads to a place beginning Psalms 109.5 down that tells of his children being fatherless and wife a widow and about his/their posterity, his own mother and forefathers.???? If these questions are ever answered in later vids and I am misguided, I stand corrected.
Another book to note.
I am grateful for the electing saving grace of God. I heard the general call and it was the effectual call that planted in my heart to repent and believe in the Lord Jesus of Christ
I ask in love. But why would he put a false image of Christ on his book "To save sinners"?
@justinpetersmin
I don't see the scripture indicating that the atonement is potential, however I have some objections to the answers to the objections to Limited Atonement.
There are a lot of special definitions based on presuppositions needed to defend against the objection verses.
"World" doesn't mean the "world," specifically here.
"All" doesn't mean "all" specifically here.
This defense requires the reader to make a decision as to what the bible "really" means based on what they "know it should say."
What are verse that specifically say the atonement is limited to the elect? The verses you covered can be used to imply that it is based on the word "few", but at the same time you have to discount the "all" verses. One might equally argue that "many" does not mean "many" based on context, book theme, or verses that say all.
I believe that would be equally flawed hermeneutics.
I am interested to know, what would be an answer to the Parable of the Treasure in the field? What does the man buying the field to gain the treasure mean if not the redemption of the world to gain the elect?
I watched a debate between Dr. James White and Dr. Michael Brown. One thing I caught onto and haven't been able to forget is the question: Did Christ atone for the sins of the people in Hell? Dr. Brown said all of their sins were in fact atoned for except for the one of not accepting the atonement. I took it back a few steps and remembered that nothing is about me. It's (the work of salvation) the work of Christ. Either God is Sovereign or He isn't. Either He has a plan or He doesn't. Either He creates with a purpose or He doesn't. Either Christ's Sacrifice fulfilled God's wrath or it didn't. Either God the Father gives everyone who has ever lived or ever will live or He hasn't. Being as Romans 1 says that not all will be saved then either Christ's death wasn't enough or God lied in His word. God does not lie. The people in Hell (which God Himself created) are there because of their sin. Limited atonement is the only thing that goes along with Scripture in context. Christ died for the Elect.
Regarding 1 John 2:2. I follow what Riccardi is saying, and especially the analogy with John 11, verses 50-52 is helpful. But exegetically, I have wondered whether 2:2 works for either camp. If it says Jesus "is" the propitiation, that seems possibly different from "Jesus propitiated". The grammar of the verse "He Himself" really emphasizes who or what Jesus is. In other words, it seems like it could be saying Jesus, not anyone else, is the propitiation.
To give an example completely outside of the soteriology field, imagine if a cure for every cancer were discovered by a drug company. And the CEO said "This drug itself is the cure for cancer, not just for us, but for the whole world."
Now imagine if two group of doctors divided themselves on this statement. One group said, "According to this CEO, there is enough of this drug to supply all the world", they would be mistaken. But the other group heard this and thought "Oh, that statement means this drug has cured all who took it". Both would be wrong. The CEO just was saying something about the drug itself. The drug is the fix for all cancer that the whole world has.
The CEO was not addressing whether or not the drug had cured cancer yet ("Calvinist" doctors), nor was he saying that there was enough supply of the drug available to cure everyone ("Arminian" doctors). He was only saying that the drug is the cure for those everywhere who have cancer.
Just for full disclosure, I am not at all trying to win the argument on Calvinism or Arminianism on the atonement. Nor am I trying to use this argument to create a middle ground. If you reply to this argument, understand that I am only approaching it exegetically. There are lots of other verses which I think are more clear on this issue.
I agree.
Hi Justin would you have any info Rabbi Kirt Schneider thanks Tony
I can no more completely know all about and define the Holy Trinity than I can completely love God in this sinful flesh I'm in. What I do is cry out Jesus save me as I completely RELY on His finished work on the cross. In this flesh I cannot even fully understand and appreciate the glory of heaven or proper worship. IN HEAVEN I shall.
If you can find a copy, RB Kuipers ' For whom did Christ die '. Excellent!
It's crazy how what one side sees it as a wisdom-defying act, the other sees it as a demonstration of God's love. Timestamp is 22:34.
I don’t have enough knowledge of either Calvinism or Arminian to distinguish between the two. I’m pretty confident that there are some points that both agree upon while others are vastly different. Then add another level of not every person in each camp can’t agree on everything in complete unity.
I tend to go back to Scripture in both the Hebrew and the Greek to allow God to speak for Himself.
To me the whole world means of every tongue and culture, gentiles. Not to mention that the Jews would be spread all over the world and marrying into gentiles of different cultures and languages. Christ came to reconcile humanity to God, those that accept Him and are drawn by the Holy Spirit. I would like to study more of this and then come to my own conclusions. Thanks for the video.
........WHOSOEVER Believes in him shall not perish??.......................................................................John 3:16 (Simply put) Amen! Interesting interview-Thank you!
if someone tells u ,u are not going to heaven because u are committing a sin u tell them there are over 600 sins any of us could committ on any given day.then ask them if they know all the 600 sins ,can they name them off.if they say no ,u ask them how do u know if your not commiting sins and not going to heaven either.
Favorite quote of the day: “Doxology is rooted in theology”-thanks, Dr. Mike. True praise and glorification of God is rooted in correct understanding of who He is. THAT’S why doctrine matters.
I believe that Christ's atonement was unlimited in its availability (for every human who has, is or ever will live), but only limited in its application (those who believe and put their faith and trust in the Lord Jesus Christ and His death and resurrection for the forgiveness of their sins). There is simply no scripture anywhere that says Christ ONLY died for the elect, but we do have plenty of texts that show that Christ died for all men and for the whosoever. I love you Justin, but I strongly disagree with the limited atonement view in Calvinism.
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The great invitation of Our Lord Jesus Christ Matthew 11:28-30 come unto me all you who labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest take my yoke upon you and learn of me for I am meek and lowly in heart and ye shall find rest unto your souls for my yoke is easy and my burden is light. God bless you all Christ died for all mankind we all are Born under the curse of sin and death everyone ❤ also In the end of the canon of scriptures says in Revelation 22:17 for whosoever will come and take of the water of life freely that's a call to salvation 🙏🙏🙏
It seems that some sin(s) that are not covered by Christ's shed blood isn't being judged or 'taken care of' when Jesus said He has overcome the world. He did not let any sin go unjudged; no sin in the world went without being judged and being overcome.
Jesus died for all and all sins that were repented by the sinner. At the Resurrection , from all people and from all the Ages they will be separated between saved- sheep and non saved- goats, those who accepted His dead for their sins and those who did not.
When he says those who die in their bondage.. what does that mean since we all fall short and ALL struggle with some sins even though we have the desire to repent and be delivered. I am not proud of things I struggle. I feel like Paul when he said my spirit is willing but my flesh is weak, but it is not I that sin but the sins of the members of my flesh. I am not sure if I memorized that right.
Love is to a definite person or people. It is not cheap free or unreciprocated.
He died to make salvation actual for the elect not just a protental for all
I’m afraid I don’t agree. At the last supper Jesus did not drink the second cup of judgement. To satisfy God’s justice he died for the world. In ot times you could be present at the ceremony of atonement, but that didn’t mean that you believed in God. God knows the heart. Prior to the incarnation Christ was in Heaven as part of the Godhead. Ot saints were in Abraham’s bosom and written in the the book of life whilst others were in Hades. The possibility of salvation must be open to everyone and so we preach the gospel to all. As God is omniscient he knows who will not come to faith, but justice requires that the offer is open to all.
Jesus drank the cup of God’s wrath on the cross then defeated death and Hades as he rose from the tomb.
If Jesus Christ did not drink all of God’s wrath why does it say in Revelation about those who rejected Him
Revelation 14:10
he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
If Jesus did not die for their sins, why is there wrath to be poured on them in His presence? If He only died for the elect why would He be there?
I’m sorry, but there are so many assumptions behind this argument
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Kath
We fail to consider the love of God in Jesus atonement, becoming heartless as being "potential" like an electric battery ready to be tapped and used, even commit the sin of pride that he died only for the elect, not seeking God in truth, but conjecture to and fro in imaturity despite being doctors of the bible, learning different arguments and never coming to the truth in John 3:16 "For God so love the world," with love that is compassionate and forbearing that even Jonah was taught about to those who are perishing or under comdemnation (John 3:18) without distinction, be they Jew or Gentiles, elect or non elect, not only in words but also fulfilled the sign of Jonah in the belly of the beast, having given his Beloved Son, Christ Jesus, as a sacrifice, died on the cross, and on the third day resurrected for the forgiveness of sin, (John 1:29) "the lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world," with sin in the singular sums up unbelief in God incarnate, Christ Jesus, creator of heaven and earth, by means of unrighteousness outlined in Romans 1 & 2, so covers everyone born on this earth. Did not Jesus, (1 Peter 3) after he died on the cross and resurrected, visit the unbelieving antedulivians who were in prison to proclaim that he died for them so that they had no excuse for their unbelief and are condemned in the prison of hell. Even the unbelievers of today are without excuse not to believe for Jesus died for them. Also, Jesus died for the false teachers mentioned by Peter in 2 Peter 2:1-3, who were in a state of unbelief, hence under condemnation. It is an error to put the said false teachers as really saved since it is purported that Jesus died only for the elect, and even based verse 20 as context which is not the case but says that a believer can never fall into apostasy "if they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, and are again entangled in it and are overcome, the last state has become worst for them than the first." Similarly, in Hebrews 6:4-6 "It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the coming age, and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their lost, they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subject him to public disgrace."
Indeed, they having pride that Jesus only died for the elect can only mangle Scripture, as well as God's love that is truly amazing in his love and the attributes of his love.
Matthew 15:24
Jesus earthly ministry was to the Jews not the Gentiles. This verse does not speak of the atonement.
In explaining 1 John 2:2, Riccardi states that the "propitiation" is efficacious but could not be universal because that would mean that Hell would be empty of people. Riccardi fails to understand that people go to Hell (ultimately, the Lake of Fire) not because they have unpropitiated sin but because they are not in the Book of Life. All who believe in Jesus have everlasting life. Those who have died never believing in Jesus do not have everlasting life and, therefore, are not in the Book of Life.
Riccardi also states that "the whole world" in 1 John 2:2 means the whole world of the elect only. That is special pleading, reading "the elect" into the verse so that it comports with his theology. Furthermore, John specifically identifies the "whole world" in 1 John 5:19: "We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one." Ricarrdi would not identify the "whole world" here as the elect.
Take the verse at face value: Jesus is the propitiation for the sins of all people, believers and unbelievers alike. And He is so that all who simply believe in Him receive everlasting life.
"We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one" You want Pastor Riccardi to place "elect" in place of "whole world" here to prove your point, but you do your own limiting exegesis with it yourself...or do YOU, as a believer, believe that you are being controlled by the evil one?
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pertaining to the new covenant, using propitiation and atonement interchangeably will just cause confusion. atonement was a covering and preservation of sins . propitiation is complete forgiveness of sins for the whole world as Paul stated. when Jesus said it is finished the issue of forgiveness for sins ended so that salvation is possible.
Eph 5:25
Soli Deo Gloria ☝️
I appreciate much of your content Justin. This video however, is why I must unsubscribe. Your guest, Mike literally spent 15 minutes trying to explain propitiation. If I were to argue that Roman’s 10:13 says “whosoever”, I’m sure he would take 30 minutes on that. I believe that Jesus died for every man. I could not imagine thinking I’m in an elite group of believers that God just so happened to choose. This video instructs me to quit wasting my time knocking doors, soul winning, confronting people with the Gospel, and having a bus ministry because those precious kids on those buses are doomed even if persuasive Bible truth convinced them to trust Jesus. John Macarthurism. I’m sad to leave ya Justin.
Love this channel and Justin, but thought the argument was weak and it sounded like the guest was trying to make the bible conform to his opinion. I only want to follow the truth and I was waiting to see if I would be convinced, but I think the argument failed. And also how is this edifying to anyone?. I do accept every word of the bible without question, but writing a book to prove Jesus didn't die for everyone seems a little depressing. But just my opinion.
First!
Aside from one precise detail, I agree with the entire argument as presented in the video.
Just as the Day Of Atonement was to all Israel, but those who failed to participate did not have it accounted to them but instead were executed, so God's atonement is offered to all Humanity, but those who do not believe the Gospel do not have it accounted to them but instead go to eternal destruction.
When I say "offered to all" I do not mean "intended for all" or "provided to all". By "offered to all" I am accounting for the Gospel call which is to be presented to all without exception. God's intention is a universal offer/call which saves His elect, by His grace, through their belief therein, and vindicates the condemnation of the condemned. This intention is most concisely conveyed in John chapter 3, when God specifies the exact way in which He loved the world.
In the way in which Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, in that way the Son Of Man must be lifted up so that everyone who is believing unto Him may not perish but instead may have eternal life. Because in that way God loved the world, plus He gave His Only Begotten Son so that everyone who is believing unto Him may not perish but instead may have eternal life. Because God did not send His Son unto the world to judge the world, but instead so that the world may be saved through Him. He who is believing unto Him is not judged; as yet, he, who is not believing, assuredly is yet judged, in this manner: that he has not believed unto the Only Begotten Son Of God. As yet, this is the judgement, thusly: that the Light has arrived unto the world, and the humans loved the darkness more than the Light because their works had been toilsome. Because everyone, who is practicing bad, hates the Light, and does not come toward the Light, so that his works may not be refuted-and-corrected. As yet, he, who is achieving the Truth, comes toward the Light so that his works may be made apparent in this manner: that they are having been worked in God."
The detail, of the sense in which the offer/call is universal, is clarified when God tells Peter "call no man common or unclean". All humanity are God's chosen people-group now, but as God-via-Paul clarified regarding how earthly Israel relate to the promises, "not all are of Israel, who are of Israel".
It's a mistake to not clarify the sense in which there is a universal offer/call, and the sense in which atonement is limited to only God's predestined elect, which is indeed clarified in God's singular Gospel purpose as summarized in John chapter 3.
If people find error in what is offered to them, they are not going to accept it as correction. This exact detail is a key point of doctrine which the reformed Church need to better understand so that we can carefully teach the clarity of it. The Day Of Atonement typifies how we are to iron-out the final detail.
Aside from this one precise detail, I agree with the entire argument as presented in the video.
I do also disagree that we do not need Lord Jesus to have died for us to be able to say we believe in Him; the cross is God's chosen means of making Himself apparent, without which apparentness, I cannot say I believe in Him.
Two things need to be stated - on the nature of fallen man he is totally unable to save himself even to the tune of contributing only 1% - man does not accept the offer of the gospel - he receives it ( John 1:12)
Christs death was sufficient in its scope to cover the sin of all people but his death achieved salvation and thus justification only for the sheep 😢
Ephesians 5:25 makes it clear that Christ died for the church.
Can I suggest that using 1 John 5:19 as a precedent for interpreting world as "all without distinction" is not a good idea. Consider what you are doing. You are taking an instance where the meaning of "world" is intuitive (obvious) and then trying to impose that meaning on another text where that meaning is certainly not intuitive. The fact that you say, "This presents a difficulty" shows that the meaning you are imposing on "world" in 1 John 2:2 is COUNTERINTUITIVE. Can I please suggest that you go back to considering the possibility of a potential view? If the wrath poured on Christ was infinite in extent, and it was, then it is sufficient for all sinners.
General atonement advocates are caught between the rock of universal salvation and the hard place of an 'atonement' that doesn't actually atone, but must be supplemented with works, or a 'free will'-generated faith, to be effective.
People who believe in The Atonement are supported by the foundation of God's Word and his plain and spoken language. You people who try to limit the Blood and its power dance closely to flames.
@@dankmartin6510 -- Limit the Blood in what way, how effective it is, or for whom it is effective?
@@gregb6469 You ask questions just like a Sophist.
@@dankmartin6510 -- Asking for clarification is being sophist? Why don't you answer the question?
@@gregb6469 Why do you hide behind asking questions as if what was said was not already clear? It is because you want it rephrased for an attempt to disagree and it is shameful.