Remastered and reuploaded because I messed up my original audio production. That's what I get for trying to finish late at night, I guess. Hopefully, you can hear me over the game now. This map gives Citra fits. Something to do with the atmospheric effects, I'm pretty sure.
Another great video. I love watching your videos to see how I can better at Lunatic Conquest, and Fates in general- I love all three routes. I especially appreciated the recap in what to take away at the end of the video. I don't really like emulating others' strategies, I'd rather learn from them, and potentially even improve on them, like you said. 35:16 Arthur moment right there, glad I watched 'till the end. Also, since you seem to use Citra for a lot of your videos, I was wondering something: How do you "set" things for your videos? That is to say, how do you give your characters their average stats, and how do you set up a file for a particular chapter and team that you want to demonstrate? Or do you just play through the game to a certain chapter and then give everyone their average stats?
I've maintained a library of save files from basically every chapter, so I usually just modify those if I need to set something up on short notice. There's a program called FEFTwiddler that handles almost all your save-editing needs for Fates. On occasion, I have to hex-edit the file, which is a little more complicated. Rarely, I end up having to go back several chapters and then play back to where I want to be (mainly if I have to capture a particular unit, because importing extra characters into the file can be sort of finicky), but I don't really mind doing that. The game is fun!
@@Zoran501 Thanks a lot. So how/where do you keep all those save files? I don't imagine it's on the 9 files in the base game. Also, something else I was wondering about: The enemy AI(both in Conquest and in the other routes) is a very interesting thing that I'd love to learn more about, both to help formulate strategies and for general play. Do you know a place where I could read up on that? Just searching the web doesn't provide good results.
Thank you so much for this guide. I literally hate the chapter and have been stuck on it for a while now but thanks to that big brain Kaze tip I was able to beat it today. Thank you again for bringing an end to my suffering.
I hope you keep making these zoran. I used to snoop around serenes and see strats like these and found them ridiculous compared to the typical pally jakob guard stance stuff, but then this guy whose name i cant remeber went on about odin, and since then i wanted to know more. But your videos show so many interesting things and way to play this game, its really awesome and refreshing compared to the typical rig heavy ltc level discussion. BTW i once heard someone say yoy could make arthur as strong as camilla by chapter 10, can you tell me if thats a thing?
I'm pretty sure the guy you're thinking of in both cases is joshcja. He's a clever dude, even if he never learned how to spell anyone's name. In the literal sense of having the same Strength as Camilla, yes, Arthur promoted to Berserker as early as level 10 averages 19 Strength, which is Camilla's base. But if you want him to compete with her in other stats, I imagine you'd have to abuse the treehouse a little to unlock Kana's paralogue before chapter 10, then feed most of the promoted enemies there to Arthur. He could probably reach level 16 or so, and then as a Berserker he'd have, on average: 35+5 HP - 23+0 Str - 00 Mag - 17 Skl - 16 Spd - 00 Lck - 15 Def - 05 Res Compare with Camilla: 30+0 HP - 19+2 Str - 11 Mag - 15 Skl - 19 Spd - 12 Lck - 18 Def - 15 Res
@@Zoran501 Pretty nuts although id rub it through a binomial calculator, and see what his stats are likely to be. Anything above 90% is extremely consistent. the more i mess around in this game, the more i realize all the resources given to jakob are not worth it. I dont even know if he actually helps save turns (which i dont care about) without riggin. His growths are pretty poor. Maybe you could make some oneshot builds?
The issue I have with the binomial probabilities is that stats are fungible, especially in this game. For example, if you get enough Strength, that can make up for a lack of speed, because you can go for kills in attack stance that don’t need speed. Or if you have extra speed, that can translate to extra double attacks that provide extra offense and extra defense through the guard gauge. Blessed with defense? Now you might survive enemy phase in attack stance, giving you way more damage and an extra player-phase action. The 90% binomial projections are extremely pessimistic across the board, which makes their results unrealistically low in far more than 90% of cases.
@@Zoran501 Oh no that is certainly true, but i like to plan PREMPTIVELY using binomials since they are almost guaranteed. But as your unit grow, you can have opportunities for diffrent strategies based on growths. They are just more accurate then averages so i use them in their place
I'm retrying Conquest Lunatic, and I somewhat Frankenstein'd this and your 'Train Everyone' startegy for my clear of this chapter today. Sol Ninja F!Corrin was a monster with the Hunter's Knife and took out the top left quadrant of the map (almost) by herself
I like to promote my units as soon as I can (12-15sh). That way they learn second tier skills sooner making midgame easier. Then on chapter 22 or so I do all the paralogues back to back and replace my older units with fresh 20/6 children
I'm trying this build in my current player through! I'm up to ch 14 and I'm doing alot of builds for the very first time such as wyvren Elise and berserker Effie with quick draw+ certain blow.
I really enjoyed this video. I personally don't mind going slow and like pushing the pegasus knights around Hayato toward me. I feel like that was the intended way.
Trying to give my 2 cents here: 1) Jakob: early Paladin or sitck with Butler (which I prefer, tbh). 2) Felicia: stick with Butler. Change to Strategist for endgame if you need more movement. 3) Silas: 0/20>Paladin. Unless you are planning to use him for the entire game, I wouldn't bother with merc/ninja. 4) Elise: 0/5>WR. 0/15-17>MK. 15-17/11>DK. 15-17/15>MK. 5) Arthur: 0/10>Berserker. Unless you plan to use him as a frontline unit, I wouldn't bother with his other classes. 6) Effie: 0/20>General, 20/5>GK. That's the cheapest option. Alternatively, you can go with 0/18>Fighter, 0/20>Hero, 20/5>Berserker, if you have her marry Arthur. 7) Mozu: Archer ASAP. 0/15-20: Sniper. 15-20/15>KN. Or you can just promote directly to KN, if you prefer mobility over growths. Unless you have specific builds in mind (like endgame Mozu), I wouldn't bother wth Merchant/MoA. 8) Odin. 0/18>Samurai. 0/20>Dark Mage. 0/20>Sorcerer. 20/13>MoA. 20/15>Sorcerer. 9) Niles. 0/15-20: BK. 10) Azura: just stay as a Dancer. In theory, you could go for KN Azura to get Amaterasu, but that's too much effort imho. 11) Nyx: 10/10>DK. 10/1>Adventurer. 12) Camilla: 8>Hero(S Keaton, recommended, or Artuhr). 11>Berserker. 15>MK. 16>WL. This is probably the best Camilla you can get. Expensive, but worth it. 13) Selena: If you really want to use her, then reclassing her into WR asap (A+ Beruka or Camilla) is the way to go. From there, it's pretty standard: 0/20>WL. 20/13>MK. 20/15>WL. 14) Beruka: 0/20>WL. 20/5>Hero. 20/11>Berserker. 20/15>MK. 20/17>WL. 15) Kaze: 0/20>Mechanist. 20/13>MN. 20/15>Mechanist. If you really want to invest into Kaze, you can throw in a few skills from the Samurai and WR lines (S with Beruka or Camilla). 16) Laslow: 0/12>Ninja. 0/20>MN, if you want to use him as a frontline unit. 0/15-20>BK if you want to use him as a rally bot. 17) Peri: 0/20>Paladin. Some people might argue that GK is the better option here and that's partially true. GK compensates for Peris weaknesses, while Paladin plays with her strengths. Personally, I prefer Paladin for the better skills, fewer weaknesses and extra movement, but GK is totally fine. 16) Benny: 0/20>General. Chapest option. Alternatively, you can go with 0/20>General. 20/5>Hero. 20/11>Berserker. 17) Charlotte: 0/15>Berserker. 18) Leo: 11>Swordmaster. 15>DK. 19) Keaton: 0/15>Wolfssenfger, if you want to use him as a pair-up bot. If you want to use him as a frontline unit, 20/20>Wolfssenger. 20/5>Hero. 20/11>Berserker. 20) Gunter: basically, another pair-up bot. Just leave either leave him in his starting class or go for WL/MK depending on your Corrin. 21) Xander: 5>WL. 13>MK. 15>Hero. 22) Shura: 2> (X.X) 23) Flora: reclass to strategist for the endgame, if you need extra movement. 24) Izana: just leave him in hist starting class. His other two classes are god tier and mediocre respectively (Samurai-Apothecary), but it's just not worth it to invest money into this guy to make him anything other than a staff bot.. Child units vary widely, depending on their parents. Here are some sets I think turn out to be pretty strong. All children, except for Nina, are considered to be recruited between Chapeter 21 and 24. Elise!Opelia: Inherited SKills: Trample (Elise), any/possibly Vantage/LaD (Odin) Promote to DK. 20/N(where N=15-number of level ups necessary to get to Swordfaire)>Swordmaster. 20/15>Moa. As soon as you get LaD>DK. Skip MoA if you inherited LaD. Final set (imho the best set for Ophelia, even better than Sorcerer Ophelia): Class: DK Weapon: Levin Sword+1 Skills: Swordfaire, Trample, LaD, Vantage, Heartseeker Camilla!Velouria: Inherited SKills: Axefaire (Camilla), any (Keaton) Promote to Wolfssinger. Immediately reclass to Hero. When you get Sol, reclass to MK. 20/15>WL. Final set: Class: WL Skills: Axefaire, Trample, Sol, Better Odds, Savage Blow. Niles!Shigure: Inherited SKills: Movement+1/Pass, if available (Niles), any (Azura) Promote to FK. If Shigure inherited Pass, then reclass to Adventurer for two levels, then go back to FK. Otherwise, just stick to FK. Final set: Class: FK Skills: Movement+1, Pass (if available), filler, filler, filler. Azura!NIna: Inherited SKills: any (Niles), any (Azura) Recruit before Chapter 26 or 27. Promote to Adventurer. Reclass to FK. Final set: Class: FK Skills: Movement+1, Pass, filler, filler, filler. Good set for endgame Corrin: Boon: Str. Bane: Luck. Talent: Samurai. 0/20>Nohr Noble. 20/2>MoA. 20/5>WL. 20/13>MK. 20/15>SM. 20/17>MoA. 20/18>Paladin. Skills: Swordfaire, Trample, LaD, Str+2, Elbow Room.
You mentioned that your units are under leveled by this point in the game, but my conquest lunatic run I'm doing at the moment are even more under leveled than the ones you show here. I'm not sure why that is though since I'm not playing fast and try to get as much exp as I can. Do you have any tips to prevent this scenario?
The Ninja Cave and the Kitsune Mountain are really good for farming. So don’t worry about this right now. Just use some wacky whatever tactics to do this.
I know this is an old video but your conquest videos have helped me a lot finishing my first lunatic run ever a week ago! I’m trying a new run to optimize some stuff but I’m curious how you got malig knight corrin if your talent was diviner? Did you friendship seal with Percy or am I missing someone else who could pass it on?
Now do one for the revelations version. I honestly think that version is worse since its so early that there isn't really room to build units to deal with it yet.
I absolutely love these videos, they helped push me back into LTC especially for conquest. I wanted to try these mods out but had trouble. Did you get them to work on Citra or 3ds hardware?
@@Zoran501 Ah okay man. I could never get the icon and Unit Select Voice to both work at the same time. Are the texture mods in the description compatible with 3DS hardware?
They aren’t. They’re not packaged in a way the 3DS can use, and even if they did work, they’d probably cause performance to suffer for very little benefit. You’re still looking at the 3DS's very low-res screen.
Fuck this map. Think I'm gonna low turn it with a flier and corrin and ditch rewards been stuck for 4 days and I can't keep my team alive. After all these years I'm trying a lunatic run and I hate this game
Remastered and reuploaded because I messed up my original audio production. That's what I get for trying to finish late at night, I guess. Hopefully, you can hear me over the game now.
This map gives Citra fits. Something to do with the atmospheric effects, I'm pretty sure.
Rad. Honestly wish I knew stuff like this when I played the game for myself this past month. Would have been a lot less annoying.
Zoran: "If Kaze were to dodge these paired spear masters, he'd be pretty much home free."
Me: *sees 1% crit*
uh-oh
King Zoran at it again with the big brain plays.
Another great video. I love watching your videos to see how I can better at Lunatic Conquest, and Fates in general- I love all three routes. I especially appreciated the recap in what to take away at the end of the video. I don't really like emulating others' strategies, I'd rather learn from them, and potentially even improve on them, like you said.
35:16 Arthur moment right there, glad I watched 'till the end.
Also, since you seem to use Citra for a lot of your videos, I was wondering something: How do you "set" things for your videos? That is to say, how do you give your characters their average stats, and how do you set up a file for a particular chapter and team that you want to demonstrate? Or do you just play through the game to a certain chapter and then give everyone their average stats?
I've maintained a library of save files from basically every chapter, so I usually just modify those if I need to set something up on short notice. There's a program called FEFTwiddler that handles almost all your save-editing needs for Fates. On occasion, I have to hex-edit the file, which is a little more complicated. Rarely, I end up having to go back several chapters and then play back to where I want to be (mainly if I have to capture a particular unit, because importing extra characters into the file can be sort of finicky), but I don't really mind doing that. The game is fun!
@@Zoran501 Thanks a lot. So how/where do you keep all those save files? I don't imagine it's on the 9 files in the base game.
Also, something else I was wondering about: The enemy AI(both in Conquest and in the other routes) is a very interesting thing that I'd love to learn more about, both to help formulate strategies and for general play. Do you know a place where I could read up on that? Just searching the web doesn't provide good results.
How did Felica get Fierce Mien? That's Benny's personal skill.
I was messing around with hacked skills earlier and it looks like I forgot to take that off of her. Whoops!
Happy I wasn’t the only one that noticed that
Thank you so much for this guide. I literally hate the chapter and have been stuck on it for a while now but thanks to that big brain Kaze tip I was able to beat it today. Thank you again for bringing an end to my suffering.
This chapter îs amazing. You are just bad at The game
@@mihaimercenarul7467Don't be an asshole over a single player game.
I hope you keep making these zoran. I used to snoop around serenes and see strats like these and found them ridiculous compared to the typical pally jakob guard stance stuff, but then this guy whose name i cant remeber went on about odin, and since then i wanted to know more. But your videos show so many interesting things and way to play this game, its really awesome and refreshing compared to the typical rig heavy ltc level discussion.
BTW i once heard someone say yoy could make arthur as strong as camilla by chapter 10, can you tell me if thats a thing?
I'm pretty sure the guy you're thinking of in both cases is joshcja. He's a clever dude, even if he never learned how to spell anyone's name.
In the literal sense of having the same Strength as Camilla, yes, Arthur promoted to Berserker as early as level 10 averages 19 Strength, which is Camilla's base. But if you want him to compete with her in other stats, I imagine you'd have to abuse the treehouse a little to unlock Kana's paralogue before chapter 10, then feed most of the promoted enemies there to Arthur. He could probably reach level 16 or so, and then as a Berserker he'd have, on average:
35+5 HP - 23+0 Str - 00 Mag - 17 Skl - 16 Spd - 00 Lck - 15 Def - 05 Res
Compare with Camilla:
30+0 HP - 19+2 Str - 11 Mag - 15 Skl - 19 Spd - 12 Lck - 18 Def - 15 Res
@@Zoran501 Pretty nuts
although id rub it through a binomial calculator, and see what his stats are likely to be. Anything above 90% is extremely consistent.
the more i mess around in this game, the more i realize all the resources given to jakob are not worth it. I dont even know if he actually helps save turns (which i dont care about) without riggin. His growths are pretty poor. Maybe you could make some oneshot builds?
@@Zoran501 Btw it was joshcja. I always got confused reading his posts because they used so much lingo that waa hard to understand
The issue I have with the binomial probabilities is that stats are fungible, especially in this game. For example, if you get enough Strength, that can make up for a lack of speed, because you can go for kills in attack stance that don’t need speed. Or if you have extra speed, that can translate to extra double attacks that provide extra offense and extra defense through the guard gauge. Blessed with defense? Now you might survive enemy phase in attack stance, giving you way more damage and an extra player-phase action.
The 90% binomial projections are extremely pessimistic across the board, which makes their results unrealistically low in far more than 90% of cases.
@@Zoran501 Oh no that is certainly true, but i like to plan PREMPTIVELY using binomials since they are almost guaranteed. But as your unit grow, you can have opportunities for diffrent strategies based on growths. They are just more accurate then averages so i use them in their place
I'm retrying Conquest Lunatic, and I somewhat Frankenstein'd this and your 'Train Everyone' startegy for my clear of this chapter today. Sol Ninja F!Corrin was a monster with the Hunter's Knife and took out the top left quadrant of the map (almost) by herself
I like to promote my units as soon as I can (12-15sh). That way they learn second tier skills sooner making midgame easier. Then on chapter 22 or so I do all the paralogues back to back and replace my older units with fresh 20/6 children
I'm trying this build in my current player through! I'm up to ch 14 and I'm doing alot of builds for the very first time such as wyvren Elise and berserker Effie with quick draw+ certain blow.
I really enjoyed this video. I personally don't mind going slow and like pushing the pegasus knights around Hayato toward me. I feel like that was the intended way.
love the sol ninja idea, have you considered making a video (or multiple) going through some of the strong options for each character?
It won't happen for every character, but I do plan to highlight some other stuff beyond Odin and Ophelia, yes
@@Zoran501 nice, I guess some characters aren't that interesting in what they can do so that makes sense
Trying to give my 2 cents here:
1) Jakob: early Paladin or sitck with Butler (which I prefer, tbh).
2) Felicia: stick with Butler. Change to Strategist for endgame if you need more movement.
3) Silas: 0/20>Paladin. Unless you are planning to use him for the entire game, I wouldn't bother with merc/ninja.
4) Elise: 0/5>WR. 0/15-17>MK. 15-17/11>DK. 15-17/15>MK.
5) Arthur: 0/10>Berserker. Unless you plan to use him as a frontline unit, I wouldn't bother with his other classes.
6) Effie: 0/20>General, 20/5>GK. That's the cheapest option. Alternatively, you can go with 0/18>Fighter, 0/20>Hero, 20/5>Berserker, if you have her marry Arthur.
7) Mozu: Archer ASAP. 0/15-20: Sniper. 15-20/15>KN. Or you can just promote directly to KN, if you prefer mobility over growths. Unless you have specific builds in mind (like endgame Mozu), I wouldn't bother wth Merchant/MoA.
8) Odin. 0/18>Samurai. 0/20>Dark Mage. 0/20>Sorcerer. 20/13>MoA. 20/15>Sorcerer.
9) Niles. 0/15-20: BK.
10) Azura: just stay as a Dancer. In theory, you could go for KN Azura to get Amaterasu, but that's too much effort imho.
11) Nyx: 10/10>DK. 10/1>Adventurer.
12) Camilla: 8>Hero(S Keaton, recommended, or Artuhr). 11>Berserker. 15>MK. 16>WL. This is probably the best Camilla you can get. Expensive, but worth it.
13) Selena: If you really want to use her, then reclassing her into WR asap (A+ Beruka or Camilla) is the way to go. From there, it's pretty standard: 0/20>WL. 20/13>MK. 20/15>WL.
14) Beruka: 0/20>WL. 20/5>Hero. 20/11>Berserker. 20/15>MK. 20/17>WL.
15) Kaze: 0/20>Mechanist. 20/13>MN. 20/15>Mechanist. If you really want to invest into Kaze, you can throw in a few skills from the Samurai and WR lines (S with Beruka or Camilla).
16) Laslow: 0/12>Ninja. 0/20>MN, if you want to use him as a frontline unit. 0/15-20>BK if you want to use him as a rally bot.
17) Peri: 0/20>Paladin. Some people might argue that GK is the better option here and that's partially true. GK compensates for Peris weaknesses, while Paladin plays with her strengths. Personally, I prefer Paladin for the better skills, fewer weaknesses and extra movement, but GK is totally fine.
16) Benny: 0/20>General. Chapest option. Alternatively, you can go with 0/20>General. 20/5>Hero. 20/11>Berserker.
17) Charlotte: 0/15>Berserker.
18) Leo: 11>Swordmaster. 15>DK.
19) Keaton: 0/15>Wolfssenfger, if you want to use him as a pair-up bot. If you want to use him as a frontline unit, 20/20>Wolfssenger. 20/5>Hero. 20/11>Berserker.
20) Gunter: basically, another pair-up bot. Just leave either leave him in his starting class or go for WL/MK depending on your Corrin.
21) Xander: 5>WL. 13>MK. 15>Hero.
22) Shura: 2> (X.X)
23) Flora: reclass to strategist for the endgame, if you need extra movement.
24) Izana: just leave him in hist starting class. His other two classes are god tier and mediocre respectively (Samurai-Apothecary), but it's just not worth it to invest money into this guy to make him anything other than a staff bot..
Child units vary widely, depending on their parents. Here are some sets I think turn out to be pretty strong.
All children, except for Nina, are considered to be recruited between Chapeter 21 and 24.
Elise!Opelia:
Inherited SKills: Trample (Elise), any/possibly Vantage/LaD (Odin)
Promote to DK. 20/N(where N=15-number of level ups necessary to get to Swordfaire)>Swordmaster. 20/15>Moa. As soon as you get LaD>DK. Skip MoA if you inherited LaD.
Final set (imho the best set for Ophelia, even better than Sorcerer Ophelia):
Class: DK
Weapon: Levin Sword+1
Skills: Swordfaire, Trample, LaD, Vantage, Heartseeker
Camilla!Velouria:
Inherited SKills: Axefaire (Camilla), any (Keaton)
Promote to Wolfssinger. Immediately reclass to Hero. When you get Sol, reclass to MK. 20/15>WL.
Final set:
Class: WL
Skills: Axefaire, Trample, Sol, Better Odds, Savage Blow.
Niles!Shigure:
Inherited SKills: Movement+1/Pass, if available (Niles), any (Azura)
Promote to FK. If Shigure inherited Pass, then reclass to Adventurer for two levels, then go back to FK. Otherwise, just stick to FK.
Final set:
Class: FK
Skills: Movement+1, Pass (if available), filler, filler, filler.
Azura!NIna:
Inherited SKills: any (Niles), any (Azura)
Recruit before Chapter 26 or 27.
Promote to Adventurer. Reclass to FK.
Final set:
Class: FK
Skills: Movement+1, Pass, filler, filler, filler.
Good set for endgame Corrin:
Boon: Str.
Bane: Luck.
Talent: Samurai.
0/20>Nohr Noble. 20/2>MoA. 20/5>WL. 20/13>MK. 20/15>SM. 20/17>MoA. 20/18>Paladin.
Skills: Swordfaire, Trample, LaD, Str+2, Elbow Room.
@@SorenToKeiran-Murasaki you should get sol for arthur before reclassing into berserker
@@ccpmustfall6445 Nope, you don't. Pair-up bots can't proc skills.
You mentioned that your units are under leveled by this point in the game, but my conquest lunatic run I'm doing at the moment are even more under leveled than the ones you show here. I'm not sure why that is though since I'm not playing fast and try to get as much exp as I can. Do you have any tips to prevent this scenario?
The Ninja Cave and the Kitsune Mountain are really good for farming. So don’t worry about this right now. Just use some wacky whatever tactics to do this.
How many paralogues have you done ?
Managed to complete this chapter on hard classic mode some months ago, 2 hours i'm not ready to forget...
I know this is an old video but your conquest videos have helped me a lot finishing my first lunatic run ever a week ago! I’m trying a new run to optimize some stuff but I’m curious how you got malig knight corrin if your talent was diviner? Did you friendship seal with Percy or am I missing someone else who could pass it on?
You figured it out: I used a Friendship Seal after achieving A rank support with Percy.
Now do one for the revelations version. I honestly think that version is worse since its so early that there isn't really room to build units to deal with it yet.
I absolutely love these videos, they helped push me back into LTC especially for conquest. I wanted to try these mods out but had trouble. Did you get them to work on Citra or 3ds hardware?
Both, except that Unit Select Voice crashes my New 3DS XL
@@Zoran501 Ah okay man. I could never get the icon and Unit Select Voice to both work at the same time. Are the texture mods in the description compatible with 3DS hardware?
They aren’t. They’re not packaged in a way the 3DS can use, and even if they did work, they’d probably cause performance to suffer for very little benefit. You’re still looking at the 3DS's very low-res screen.
Zoran ah okay thanks man, keep up the great work!
i wiped in this map in my last ironman run :( the silences staffs destroy my nosferatu corrin
I wanna cry 😭
Fuck this map. Think I'm gonna low turn it with a flier and corrin and ditch rewards been stuck for 4 days and I can't keep my team alive. After all these years I'm trying a lunatic run and I hate this game