If you haven’t covered this idea yet, it would be great to hear a comparison of approaches between Hodges/Farstad and Robinson/Pierpont. From what I heard, (outside of Revelation), H/F text presents the textual witness of the vast majority of manuscripts (often >70-80%) whereas the R/P text presents the earliest (stable) Byzantine text (which is frequently a high majority reading as well). I don’t know how much of that is true, so I would love to see a video on it. I’m an eclectic text fan, believing that the original text is best reconstructed by reversing the manner in which the variant readings arose: one variant at a time, and thus not bothered by the fact that no extant manuscript reads exactly like an NA/USB in a given line of text. That being said, I still love hearing about different published texts and the approaches they utilize.
It’s a great idea for a video! I will try to do one on it. Thanks for watching! I’m fascinated by other people’s point of view. Some people only read and watch things which simply confirm what they already believe. I enjoy listening to people on all sides. Sounds like you do too!
I personally favor the critical text ( My favorite is the Tyndale House GNT but I also use the Westcott-Hort sometimes) but I think it would be neat to have a Byzantine text to compare and look through. Great video!
While checking these on Amazon I came across "The Greek New Testament For Beginning Readers" by Robinson, Pierpont, & Dodson. Are you familiar with it and have any thoughts on it?
It is still available. www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0974272744/ref=tmm_hrd_title_sr?ie=UTF8&qid=1462372049&sr=1-5. My understanding is that the text is exactly the same with maybe 2 or 3 minor variants accepted in the main text as opposed to the margin. This edition is a sewn binding versus a glued binding. And this one is more compact. The apparatus of the 2018 has been updated to include variants that were from the 28TH NA. This edition only goes up to NA 27. At least that is as best I understand it.
To further add to what was already mentioned and to give specifics, here is a summary of the changes between the 2005 and 2018 Robinson-Pierpont Byzantine edition directly from one of the editors posted online back in 2018: "There are three wording changes: John 18.11: the word "sou" is moved from the main text to the apparatus as a Byzantine variant. This also changes the accenting of the prior word. John 18.32: the word "emellen" becomes the main text reading, moving "hmellen" to the apparatus as a Byzantine variant. This moves RP2018 away from NA27/28 at this point. Rev 2.17: the word "fagein" is removed from the main text, so that the main text now reads "tou" with a Byzantine variant of "fagein apo tou". Also, in 1Cor 7.5, 2Cor 1.17, 2Cor 12.18, and 2Cor 13.5, "mh ti" is changed to "mhti". The bulk of the changes are accenting corrections, along with some capitalization and punctuation changes. The variants in RP2018 now cover the NA28 edition. Notably, you will also see that in the book of Acts, the variant apparatus covers the recent release of the ECM (Editio Critica Maior) for Acts. The layout of the footnotes is entirely different, with Byzantine variants occupying their own footnote apparatus instead of residing in the margins, and there are now English section headings throughout the text". I own this text myself - it is very nice for a softcover/glued binding and would probably hold up as far as durability unless you're particularly hard on books. Sewn bindings are obviously superior to glued bindings. I'd love to have the Anchor-Cross Publishing edition myself, I just wonder why they don't go ahead and update their edition as that would eliminate the whole issue of people wondering what the differences are and having to pick/make trade-offs in contents and bindings.
@@BiblicalStudiesandReviews The only notations in the main text to indicate variants are a lower-case letter for alternative Byzantine readings and variant readings from NA27 & NA28 as well as ECM Acts are denoted by an Arabic numeral. The Preface states that such variants in regard to alternative Byzantine readings 'should be considered near-equal alternatives to that appearing in the main Byzantine text'. There are no indications of variants with specific referencing such as to the TR, Majority Text, etc.; it's just very general and simplistic (so the apparatus isn't for any in-depth comparison amongst Byzantine texts/editions).
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If you haven’t covered this idea yet, it would be great to hear a comparison of approaches between Hodges/Farstad and Robinson/Pierpont. From what I heard, (outside of Revelation), H/F text presents the textual witness of the vast majority of manuscripts (often >70-80%) whereas the R/P text presents the earliest (stable) Byzantine text (which is frequently a high majority reading as well). I don’t know how much of that is true, so I would love to see a video on it.
I’m an eclectic text fan, believing that the original text is best reconstructed by reversing the manner in which the variant readings arose: one variant at a time, and thus not bothered by the fact that no extant manuscript reads exactly like an NA/USB in a given line of text. That being said, I still love hearing about different published texts and the approaches they utilize.
It’s a great idea for a video! I will try to do one on it. Thanks for watching! I’m fascinated by other people’s point of view. Some people only read and watch things which simply confirm what they already believe. I enjoy listening to people on all sides. Sounds like you do too!
I personally favor the critical text ( My favorite is the Tyndale House GNT but I also use the Westcott-Hort sometimes) but I think it would be neat to have a Byzantine text to compare and look through. Great video!
The Tyndale is a beautiful edition prepared by scholars who love scripture. Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the overview
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While checking these on Amazon I came across "The Greek New Testament For Beginning Readers" by Robinson, Pierpont, & Dodson. Are you familiar with it and have any thoughts on it?
I don’t own one personally, but I’m friends with Jeff Dodson.
Is the Robinson hardback still available? What’s the difference between that one and the 2018 update only Available in paperback?
It is still available. www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0974272744/ref=tmm_hrd_title_sr?ie=UTF8&qid=1462372049&sr=1-5. My understanding is that the text is exactly the same with maybe 2 or 3 minor variants accepted in the main text as opposed to the margin. This edition is a sewn binding versus a glued binding. And this one is more compact. The apparatus of the 2018 has been updated to include variants that were from the 28TH NA. This edition only goes up to NA 27. At least that is as best I understand it.
To further add to what was already mentioned and to give specifics, here is a summary of the changes between the 2005 and 2018 Robinson-Pierpont Byzantine edition directly from one of the editors posted online back in 2018:
"There are three wording changes:
John 18.11: the word "sou" is moved from the main text to the apparatus as a Byzantine variant. This also changes the accenting of the prior word.
John 18.32: the word "emellen" becomes the main text reading, moving "hmellen" to the apparatus as a Byzantine variant. This moves RP2018 away from NA27/28 at this point.
Rev 2.17: the word "fagein" is removed from the main text, so that the main text now reads "tou" with a Byzantine variant of "fagein apo tou".
Also, in 1Cor 7.5, 2Cor 1.17, 2Cor 12.18, and 2Cor 13.5, "mh ti" is changed to "mhti".
The bulk of the changes are accenting corrections, along with some capitalization and punctuation changes.
The variants in RP2018 now cover the NA28 edition. Notably, you will also see that in the book of Acts, the variant apparatus covers the recent release of the ECM (Editio Critica Maior) for Acts.
The layout of the footnotes is entirely different, with Byzantine variants occupying their own footnote apparatus instead of residing in the margins, and there are now English section headings throughout the text".
I own this text myself - it is very nice for a softcover/glued binding and would probably hold up as far as durability unless you're particularly hard on books. Sewn bindings are obviously superior to glued bindings. I'd love to have the Anchor-Cross Publishing edition myself, I just wonder why they don't go ahead and update their edition as that would eliminate the whole issue of people wondering what the differences are and having to pick/make trade-offs in contents and bindings.
@@joelfreehling3650 that’s awesome. thanks for clarifying for us. Are there any notations in the main text indicating variants?
@@BiblicalStudiesandReviews The only notations in the main text to indicate variants are a lower-case letter for alternative Byzantine readings and variant readings from NA27 & NA28 as well as ECM Acts are denoted by an Arabic numeral. The Preface states that such variants in regard to alternative Byzantine readings 'should be considered near-equal alternatives to that appearing in the main Byzantine text'. There are no indications of variants with specific referencing such as to the TR, Majority Text, etc.; it's just very general and simplistic (so the apparatus isn't for any in-depth comparison amongst Byzantine texts/editions).
@@joelfreehling3650 thanks Joel! That’s sort of what I had guessed. Thank you!
Prefer Byzantine text here, too.