Mystery: Ram Cuts Max Tow Ratings on New & Existing Trucks - But Why?
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This is a recipe for a class action lawsuit. People bought the trucks with stated expectations that now Ram says it can not handle. There are going to be people who fail to get the news
Ram can just say it was a software issue🤷♂️. Either before when they were higher or now. I suspect a combination of both. There’s probably some sort of disclaimer on the page, too, saying they aren’t responsible for incorrect information, see dealer for official ratings. Or some other lawyer speak.
Agreed. This happens quite a bit, though. Not in this way, however. Ford changed the torque spec for lug nuts on some of their vehicles a bit ago.
When I bought my 2021 1500 bighorn quadcab, it was able to tow 7011 pounds since the ram app, then I checked the same app and said 6800 pounds. Very weird
Even worse class action lawsuit will come when people actually tow 35k+ lbs on a civilian truck and kill themselves and others on the roads.
Sure, and if we are lucky RAM will settle giving each owner a $5 gift certificate while the lawyers get millions.
Class actions have rarely ever meant anything to the owners, especially when so many qualify.
Andre one thing I did not hear you guys mention: how could this change impact liability? You bought a truck last year & confirmed 20K towing for your hot-shot business, have an accident today & the insurance company says you were overloaded & denies coverage? Worse yet, if someone got hurt? 😬
Insurance and DOT don’t go off OEM specified tow limits with a CDL. as long as you are within GVWR, GAWR and fire rating for everything including trailer you are fine.
I suspect the best case for a lawsuit would be showing you paid extra for options that would increase your tow rating to a point. Then prove that the vehicle/options you paid for were falsely represented and thus you spent money you otherwise wouldn’t have. Also could claim that resale on the truck is impacted because if you are looking to tow you would spend more on a truck with a higher rating and now that your rating has decreased your vehicle is worth less.
I'd suspect in the event of a death this would really be under a microscope. Insurance would probably be required to payout.
@@84Prerunner yep manufacturer's GCWR are recommendations. (until you reach teh legal weight limit)
Odd that this change is just being reported after one of their trucks got a lot of attention for breaking in half when being pushed up against it's limits.
Ive seen a few that had frames break lile this. Very surprising!
Not just their trucks as in 1500 up, but even the jeep gladiator is having problems with the frames.
That is payload, which hasn’t changed.
That broken frame was a payload issue. Payload numbers haven't changed, just towing numbers. The broken frame was not cause by a towing capacity issue.
lol, if we're talking about the same truck, the frame that broke in half was on a truck that was quite literally thousands of pounds over payload with a lot of that weight being behind the rear axle...the guy wrote an article himself saying his truck (a highly optioned mega cab 3500 dually) had a payload of 7800 lbs, which is the highest possible payload for the 3500 when correctly optioned, regular cab 4x2 w/ 6.4 hemi. His actual payload was much lower than that with the mega cab, options, diesel, and 4x4 all of which decrease your payload.
I just looked mine up on my Ram 4500 and it went down by 18 lbs from last year. Not much but strange!
Yours is probably using all options to take away from the base weight.
Thank you guys for posting this video. This is most definitely cause for concern. Regardless of peoples opinions on whether or not a 2500 truck should or should not tow over 20k lbs, the fact remains that Ram continued to provide this tool as a source to determine the recommended towing capacity of each specific truck as identified by the VIN. Its a big deal that they just went on to change this tool and the recommended capacities without some sort of press release or at minimum an email to current truck owners. This is more likely to cause more backlash than if they had been up front.
Guy thanks to you I bought a 22 Ram spec to tow 10k plus just got back from a 45 hour drive towing my race car the Ram pulled great My version of the Ike went great thanks again
This is very strange. Thanks for making us aware of an unusual practice amongst some manufacturers.
I have a 3500 Tradesman with the standard output Cummins (Same drivetrain as TFl's Ram 2500) and my capacity on the ram website has stayed the same. 4,060 payload and 20,090 towing, looked up right after seeing this video. I'm speculating that ram had 3500 towing numbers on the 2500 and the decrease in towing numbers is payload related (hitch/pin weight of the trailer).
these comments are nonsensical, towing ratings for already registered cars stay forever.
Same thing happened with my Ram 1500. 2 years ago, it showed 10550 tow capacity, now it shows 9930. I noticed this last year when looking at trailers.
I think all US Pickup Truck towing ratings are exaggerated for publicity purposes desite J2807
How did you notice the change?
Same here... mine dropped too from 10393 lb to 10220 lbs tow capacity payload didnt change
I have a 2018 Ram 2500. The website used to show the payload higher than the door sticker by about 150 lbs. Just looked it up and now the website by VIN agrees with the sticker. Towing capacity did not change.
It was known that the website was "off" for awhile on the forums... Then it was supposedly fixed. It is taking numbers that apparently in a database of all trucks by VIN but HOW the computer communicating through a search engine to an end user were messed up...
What's odd with my 2020 2500 is the website has always showed a lower payload than my door sticker. Website shows 2920 while my door sticker shows 3047. Towing capacity hasn't changed though.
I just tried to check my truck's ratings, and this feature of entering your VIN number on their website is no longer available. I used this feature on the day this video came out, 2/3/23 but as of 2/12/23 you can no longer try the feature. Maybe this sparked something at the RAM HQ to do some revamping of this feature.
After the in bed camper bent frame you shared, Ram figured out the frames can't handle the weight they claimed. I bet there are other damaged frames that haven't been seen by the public.
the bed camper has nothing to do with towing capacity.
@Stackali tongue weight and payload is most certainly related to towing capacity
so your saying frame strength has nothing to do with towing? It has everything to do with towing. They are loaded very similar with a camper of center to the rear and the tongue weight on the hitch
That would be a payload change. Not a towing weight change
That was my concern too but now I’m surprised that their, already low, payload didn’t decrease as well. 🤔
A big problem with this is for those that left a safety margin of say 10% now that may be gone or you may be overloaded. If you bought a bumper pull or 5th wheel RV trailer based on these numbers it’s not like there isn’t a cost to move to a trailer that meets the new numbers.
Thanks for the information, it is very helpful. I have been shopping for a new truck to tow a travel trailer up to about 9500 lbs. I was hoping to use 1/2 ton to do this. On the website they were using there is another way to see max towing. If you select "Choose A Vehicle" it will take you to a page listing all the Ram models. Select "View Towing Results" and the next page shows all the sub-models. To narrow the choices there are filters that can be set, such as CAB/BOX, DRIVE, AXLE RATIO and so on. When I selected 1500 Crew Cab 5' 7" box, 4x4 and 3.21 Axle Ratio, 5.7 V8 Hemi eTorque the max towing comes up at 8110 lbs. Seting the axle ratio to 3.92 bumps the max towing to 11210 lbs. The problem is all the trucks on the dealer lots have the 3.21 axle ratio. The only exception is the Rebel model which comes with a 3.92 axel standard. It looks like my best option for a new truck is to order one.
You want a 2500 6.4 with 4.10 ratio. If you're going to try to tow 9500lbs with a 1500 you will be disappointed and frustrated, even with a 3.92.
I have a 22 Ram 3500 HO Cummins CCLB SRW and I didn't lose any capacity. I bet it has something to do with the transmissions.
My payload is 4268 and 25120 lbs of towing
22 F-350 srw crew cab long box, My payload is almost 500 lb higher, (4,740) but my max tow rating is only 21,400🤔
Mine has the same tow capacity oddly enough but less payload at around 3820
Thanks for the research and information. You guys are awesome!
I just looked up my truck. 2022 RAM 2500 manufactured 8/21, purchased 7/22 and the towing capacity has NOT changed. Still rated at 17,790 lbs and 2,250 lbs max payload, per RAM's website using my VIN
I've towed over weight (private owner). Talk about the tail wagging the dog! The quick fix was to slow down, but if I were a corporate lawyer, I'd want a buffer built into the towing numbers rather than to count on a customer to have the sense to reduce speed.
This could also have been a data entry error that has been corrected.
Can you confirm if this information is even available online currently? I can't find VIN specific payload and towing information anywhere on their website at this time.
I believe the towing number on my 2022 was around 19,800 before. I looked it up now and its 18,840 so it went down around 1,000lbs.
They should just use payload and let that number limit your towing capacity, if you are staying within the payload then you can only put a certain amount of weight before the tongue weight can no longer be adjusted by shifting the load. We already run into the reverse of that now with trucks that have a high towing capacity on paper but you will never reach that weight without going over the payload capacity.
Payload and towing are completely different. You don't cooling for payload. Gears don't affect payload.
No, did you notice that the vin towing rating was less than 10% of the payload? If I were to take a guess, the frame wasn't rated for the appropriate torque on the frame, which was also shown by the guy with the overloaded camper. What killed his frame was the torque from the end, which is basically equivalent to all towing weight.
just checked my VIN using the Ram look up, on my 21 2500 Bighorn CCSB with Cummins, I screenshot it when i bought it a year ago and mine hasn't changed payload is 2183 with towing at 17,870..... I've been watching y'alls videos for years and was scratching my head when you bought yours and said it was rated at 20k, we have pretty much identical trucks, right down to the color lol...... keep up the good work!
Mine dropped almost 4K! The dealer used the vin look up to assure me I was in spec for my camper. I have the screen shot. It may be time to call my attorney.
Do it
Have you tried it recently? The new ones I’ve checked seamed to be back up…. Curious what you get now???
I’m hesitant to buy the big change on the website until something official comes out from Ram. If you look at the bodybuilder guide, it still shows towing ratings from when the trucks were released. They are generic, but it still shows the tfl Ram at about 19,990. I find it hard to believe that you’d be expected to, essentially, check the website daily to see what your towing capacity is.
Gm’s method of having everything on a placard is great and should be required on all vehicles.
the real problem is those that bought the 20K capacity to safely handle their 18K load and now the 18K load is over the new rating.
Lol I like this channel even more now that I noticed that Tommy’s watch’s face is his Bernie 😊
The payload capacity is where most people go overweight with RV’s. Good to see that didn’t change. 20k lbs moving laterally is a lot of momentum for a pickup truck to bring to a stop quickly. It probably changes the load dynamics while braking
Now they too have removed or hidden the vin search bar on their website
Your limit probably depends on the tires they put on. Check out the low capacity on the power wagon with unsafe load range D tires.
The Power Wagon has low capacity due to the soft suspension for off-roading. Same reason why you can't get the Cummins in a Power Wagon. If you off-road and don't care about that bone jarring ride, then get the new HD Rebel with a Cummins, it has higher capacity. So it comes down to personal preference. Good ride or high capacity. Physics does not allow for both!
It looks like Ram finally came to their senses. You can’t have your tongue weight be all of your payload!
Strange...guess the magic towing dust didn't hold? I just checked my VIN again and it stayed the same for now, still 34,095 lbs. That's a 21 RAM 3500 dually. Must be impacting more the 3/4 tons?
Bet that rating on your truck is for a 2 door and not a four door do your research
@@glenparks5175 he checked the VIN. That number is going to be for his literal truck. There's no more research he can possibly do on his exact truck.
I have a 22 3500 CCLB SRW and mine stayed the same at 25,120. Wonder if it has to do with the 68RFE
@@TheRamGuy yeah maybe, I wonder
@@TheRamGuy - Very little doubt. Unfortunately that is the weak link.
The door sticker with the tow rating is fine, provided you are buying a (rare) prebuilt truck. We need to know what the ratings are going to be with our configuration BEFORE we order an $80k truck to tow with.
As someone else said on here. I wonder if after several trucks now have had frame bending issues,they figured they needed to debate the numbers to protect themselves from litigation. Just a thought but wondering.
Just checked mine... mega cab 3500 high output. Lost 315lbs max towing. Crazy. Thanks for the heads up.
just checked mine. Was 19,000 when purchased, and it is now 18,320 (2019 2500 Diesel)
Looks like mine dropped by about 500 to 1,000 lbs. 2021 2500 crew cab long bed with the 6.4 and 4:10 gears. It was definitely over 17,000 lbs towing when I ordered and received it and now it's 16,540.
The other odd thing is the decoder used to have it listed correctly as a big horn, and now it says (Lone Star?) with the question mark included.
Mine is big horn but said Lone Star as well.
nothing dropped in already registered cars.
Andre good video, here's the long and short of this, my almost 9 years with GM Canada was when a customer buys a truck and it is rated to tow X 1000 lbs properly equipped by the manufacturers equipment requirement, HD cooling for trans, radiator and power steering , plus the HD suspension and brake upgrade at time of purchase , that is what is covered under MFG warranty and legally cannot be derated after the point of sale/delivery to the customer and this still stands to my knowledge in Canada, in the USA , I do not know , so this could lead to a possible class action law suit that would probably not be hard to win in court when there's documentation everywhere to support it, just my thoughts 👍
Amen to door sticker with gcvr and max tow rating. Ford has a problem where the payload sticker in inaccurate and higher than the specs in their own pdf…idk if it’s all model years, but it lists the highest capacity of the model and not for how the truck is configured. Might be a sales tactic…when i saw almost 4k payload in 2022 base xl 250 (super cab and 8 foot bed) and sales guy pointed out the rear hitch says 18000, I got excited. Went home and realized it’s 2.5k payload and 12000 towing for that truck as configured…pretty bad considering my 10+ year old tundra 1/2 ton is 2k payload and 10k towing. IMO every single heavy duty truck should have at least 3k payload and 14k towing starting with the lowest trim and go to from there. You can even get a F150 with 14k towing nowadays.
The towing numbers now actually make sense. Before they were claiming towing numbers where the payload was only 10% of that number. The payload being 10% of the tow number is actually impossible to make work. My GM 2500 had over 3000lbs of payload and a towing rating of 18,500lbs. This was all about RAM trying to claim huge towing numbers without the payload to handle it, so they actually corrected their error.
Great reporting!! This is what a free press is all about
Looks like they changed the max trailer weight calculation they use based on tongue weight subtracted from payload capacity. The standard has been 10-15% of trailer weight is required on the tongue of the trailer, which will subtract from the available payload capacity until it is zero. Seems they are using 12.5% of trailer weight as tongue weight required now.
They probably got sued by someone or it's a website issue.
This is troubling. My 2016 Ram 3500 dually is rated at 30,180 pounds towing capacity. And now I can't verify this number because the site only goes back 5 years. I'm sticking with the original numbers.
Thanks for the informative video. My comment is not related to the subject matter - but it's related to your "Badass Wilson" sticker. Justin was a dear friend - so thank you for keeping his memory alive. That particular sticker is quite rare!
I just looked up my own truck on the website. It is a Ram 1500 Bighorn 2wd Hemi with a 3.92 rear. Unfortunately, I don’t have the exact towing number from last year because I lost the phone it was on but I remember it being about 11,850 lbs. it now shows 11,590 lbs. Not much and I don’t tow anyway. This is interesting though!
My 2020 4 door shortbed was 19,900lb when I bought it.
Just looked and now its 17,860 ...
Good job on putting this info out, thanks.
I checked figures for my truck using a link you mentioned and it shows not that my truck have lost more than 5,000 lbs of towing capacity! WTF??? 2019 RAM 3500 8ft Dually Cummins supposed to tow up to 30,000 lbs, that's why I bought it! Now the site reported 24,940 lbs.
My guess is the numbers they were giving out was for the 2WD trucks. 2200 lbs of towing capacity is 220 lbs of tongue weight at the standard 10%, and 210 lbs is about the weight difference between 2WD and 4WD.
I bought my 2022 RAM 3500 Laramie Dually with HO Cummins and Aisin in February of 2022. When I bought it I checked and my truck had 32,853lb max towing and 5,253lbs of cargo. I just checked it now and it dropped to 32,710lbs so 143lbs it dropped. And my cargo numbers are the same. So I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. To be honest, that first number in your video, over 20,000lbs for a 2500 seems high. So maybe there was a miscalculation on that truck. The 17,000lb number seems more legit. Carry on fellas! :)
Our 2020 ram 2500 dropped about 1800 in towing. And with the fuel pump recall looming, (still waiting in line after 8 months to get called into service), the great deal I thought I was getting at the time of purchase has slowly diminished. Damn RAM !!
I just checked mine. 2 months ago my 1500 was rated at just below 8200 lbs, now it shows 7900 lbs.
your is rated at what it was rated when registered forever. Is really US such a mess that towing capacity is not printed in the registration papers?
The website says “See dealer for more details.” Yet when you go to the dealership nobody knows ANYTHING! No dealer has ever been able to answer any question I’ve ever had. I get my info from online forums.
I noticed that as well on my Ram 1500. I was already concerned about the payload capacity being less than the others. Now this happens. Looks like they are playing games with numbers at others expense.
It's changed because they been having so many mechanical failures, changed them to avoid class action lawsuits
The same thing happened to me on my 2022 Ram 1500 Eco-Diesel, Red, Limited Edition. It said 12,500 towing capacity when I bought it off the lot. They showed me when I was choosing my truck. Now it is at 7,900 LBS! That is ridiculous! That means that towing a small truck on a steel trailer is max payload now! I am pretty angry since I paid $108,500.00 for my truck and it only has 5,000 miles on it now. I could have bought any truck I wanted for that price! I would have bought the Cummins diesel 2500 if I would have known that!
I hope that's Canadian dollars you paid with.
@@bizkillall unfortunately not. I am near Chicago and trucks were at the peak in October last year when I purchased it. Also it is a special edition with basically every single option available and I bought the longest and best extended warranty available.
I tried to configure one and couldn’t get above msrp of 86k USA. Sounds like you bought a eco limited 4x4 with 3.21 gears instead of the 3.92 and the dealer was showing you the rating on a 2wd double cab 3.0 tradesman.
@@JN-iw5xk yeah, this is clearly a dealer fuckup, or lie.
I am currently shopping for a 1500 since mine got rear ended. My 2017 was in the 10,000 lbs range and handles my camper great. Now looking the exact same configuration for 2022-23 is 7500-8000 lbs. It makes no sense that what was advertised a year ago now is able to tow less. I love my Ram truck, but this isn’t adding up when it’s the same truck.
It's been a couple months now. Have y'all heard anything different since? Thanks for all the content.
Have you heard anything from Ram yet? Waiting for a follow-up. Thanks
Towing numbers do change. Your max trailer weight is calculated by taking your GCWR and subtracting the base weight of the truck and any equipment you might have including the weight of passengers. So depending on how many people and their weight, what other equipment you have in the truck and truck bed will reduce your max towing capacity. What doesn't change is your GCWR. Not saying they should change on the website, but just keeping you from thinking towing numbers can't change.
Mine right now says 16,620. No idea what it was before.
I have a 2022 ram 3500. I just checked the Vin look up tool and my numbers did not change from when I bought the truck back in July
Can you post the link to Ram to look up towing capacity by VIN?
ALL vehicles should have GVWR and CGVWR on the VIN sticker in the door jam. Some heavy trucks do, but every vehicle on the road has a combined limit and if that means the same number for both you can't tow.
Yes it’s the 1500 trucks as well, you cannot find a 1500 vin number showing anything over 9,000 now.
Sadly I’m a major fan of Ram and own a 3500 Cummins high output. Starting to wish I kept my Titan XD only if the gas tank was larger, couldn’t stand filling up every 330 miles.
I firmly believe that auto manufacturers are making trucks beefy today just so they can charge more money for them. This country was built on rinky-dink little step-side pickups whose names (half ton, 3/4 ton, and one ton) meant how much weight the truck could hold in the bed. I know there are people out there that use their trucks for actual work, but if we as a country decided that we didn't need a half-ton truck that can haul 4,000lbs in the bed and tow 12,000lbs and also seat a family of 5 we'd stop seeing trucks that are selling for $100,000 or more. The new Ford Rangers and Toyota Tacomas are all about the same size or bigger than the trucks from the 60s and 70s. The small pickup arms race must stop for the consumer's betterment.
Funmy story. In canada the vin tool is down and the dealer aare clueless on the new numbers. I have a 3500 laramie hemi with leafs and cant get an honest answer
So question, did Ram remove the VIN lookup for payload and towing? It is not there anymore.
Yeah it's not there
Honestly the tow ratings have always been more of a suggestion. If the truck has a gvwr of 10 k the truck weighs 7800# that leaves you just 2200 pounds of payload. If you pull a goose neck that means
Your max trailer capacity is somewhere around 11k. And with a pumper pull your closer to 19 k but most bumper pull trailers max out at about 16 k anyway. If you go over that most trailers change to a goose neck or 5th wheel setup. Me personally I have 2500’s to stay under the cdl requirements. So if the truck has a give of 10k my max trailer is 16 k. Anything over that you might as well move up to a 3500 or bigger because you now need a class A CDL
Ram has completely removed this tool from their website ---- the user manual also references this page but the tab is gone. There is NO WAY to find out the actual towing capacity of any new Ram trucks right now. In fact, they have removed older documentation as well that was downloadable just months ago.
What is the exact web address to get towing specs with VIN #?
I’m thinking it’s that disclaimer at the bottom “when properly equipped.”
I bet something they left off was 2 or 4 wheel drive and now they account for it with the vin.
Nothing changed they just made it more accurate
Those saying they lowered it because of bent frames, you can’t do that. It’s rated what it’s rated. To lower it after sale is an open invitation for a lawsuit.
I mean if you punch in a vin and they tell you numbers but then don't take into account of 4 wheel drive or trim level then. What's the point of using a vin?
They do account for 2wd or 4wd.
Yes, if you compare the website to the published towing guide for more recent model years then you can see the website was giving inaccurate numbers.
it makes sense that towing is decreased on a 2500 diesel. the problem is they posted identical number to a standard output 3500 of the same configuration, but in order to tow that weight with proper hitch weight you would exceed payload capacity.
My 19 gasser payload stayed the same. Towing went down about 200 pounds.
My 2019 Ram Laramie 3500hd CC SRW went from 25,305 lb to 24,870 lb, a loss of 435 lb
My friends 2019 Ram Laramie 2500 CC SRW went from 19,397 lb to 19,010 lb, a loss of 387 lb.
The payload stayed the same on both trucks
This is frustrating! 😑
My vin shows also 17,790 for towing and 2,076 payload. So really I don't remember what it was when I purchased it.
I have a 2018 1500 5.7 4x4 quad cab and my payload and towing numbers have not changed since purchase in 2019. According to the Ram site at the time and date of this comment at least.
I think it's pretty obvious that it's a change in the formula or measurements of testing, or maybe was just a misprint. But you did mention briefly changes with other manufacturers.
They cut the tow rating on my 2021 2500 Laramie from 20,024.02 lbs, I like that .02 lb like that's going to make a huge difference, to 16,740 lbs. That's a 3,284.02 lbs reduction! What the heck?!?!?!
While I totally agree that the max towing number should be on the door jamb, remember that there are different numbers for a receiver hitch versus 5th wheel. And some people ignore the payload number when they think about towing.
Personally if I was looking to purchase a truck I would absolutely dive into those spreadsheets to be sure I know the impacts of different options.
In the owners manual (from memory), I believe it states the receiver is good for 20,000/2,000. The 5th wheel is rated as 25k, and the goose states 20k.
That's on a '22 2500
If you're spending 50-80+thousand dollars on a vehicle to tow (+cost of towed vehicle) you need to do your homework. I once REAMED a dealer for selling a truck they said (more than once including an email) had a 4.10 RE, but actually had a 3.73. This was around 10 years ago before Ram consistently put this info on the truck's sticker.
It took about 3 months to receive (last November) our Patriot Blue "BEAST" 3500 Laramie crew cab 6.4 with 4.10 rear end. I originally wanted a PW but saw that the soft suspension really reduced towing capability. Our camper weighs about 10,000GVWR, 7300lbs unloaded. I've found that reaching the 80%+ of towing capability sucks, especially in the wind and hilly/mountainous terrain. I wouldn't tow a camper of any size with anything less than a 3.92RE (5.7l) or 4.10RE (6.4l). Even if you're not towing, the 8 speed transmission with a 3.21 or 3.55 will downshift frequently in anything more than a slight breeze/flat terrain. If you're going to tow always search for a truck that has AT LEAST half again the towing capacity, if not twice the capacity, and you will love towing with your truck. This basically boils down to HP/torque (5.7, 6.4, 6.7C), payload(1500, 2500, 3500) and rear axle ratio (always 3.92, 4.10). You don't want to be the guy, with the sagging ass end, lugging your camper up hills or through 30+mph winds, because your truck is "within spec". Two other things, oversized tires and lift kits adversely affect capacity, so the HP and RE (axle ratio) comments above are even more important if towing. Also, where the tonge weight is located in reference to rear axle is critical. Box length/hitch position/ball position all make a big difference. Tow vehicle to towed vehicle clearance plays an important part in determining the above. You don't want to be the guy with the brand new short box trying to pull a 5th wheel either. Find old timers and ask questions, most of them love to talk shop about their rig.
If you compare the published towing guide to the website numbers then it appears that the older, higher numbers were incorrect and they've now corrected them. I'm guessing the shown number used some sort of database and a table column being used was messed up or being pulled incorrectly.
For example in the 2021 towing guide the max weight on a 4WD crew cab short box 6.7L is 19,010. So there's no way a Big Horn trim could have had a 20,146 capacity. It sounds like that is basically what the Ram rep told TFL. Account for the options in the example truck and 17,870 sounds about right.
Unfortunate for those that relied on the online tool and a bad showing from Ram for posting incorrect information on an official site but I don't think they are "de-rating" the trucks or anything like that.
Just checked for my Ram 3500. it still shows just over 20,000 lbs towing.
Looked up the vin of my 22 power wagon and the payload and tow cap also went down
My 2018 ram 2500 crew cab 6’5 box 4x4 had a max tow rating of 25,300 now i guess i better recheck it. Just checked and it still looks the same on the charts..
Yes, 24,300 would be an inflated number for an '18 ram 2500 CC. Probably by over 8k lbs.
I'm a Ram owner and thankfully I don't tow much. But if I paid $90k to tow 20,000lbs and had a tow rating reduced I'd be suing. I definitely smell lawsuits coming, and rightfully so.
There is also more thing to this aspect, up in Chinada, commercial vehicles actually must have their max capacities on a large sticker on the side of their vehicle also.
This only the 2500s. People be carrying max payload and max towing at the same time overloading the truck. Subtract the payload number from the max towing and you get the new towing number.
Good video. Trying to figure this out on your own can be challenging.
Question where is ram steel made or are there making frames thinner for mpg
Use the door jams you shouldnt meed their website to confirm what your truck and axles can handle
My thoughts are these decreases are in correlation to the recall on the 68RFE spewing atf when it's hot.
Coporate maybe said "Decrease tow rating, maybe that will help the 68RFE maintain temperature.
Did the tow rating decrease on 3500 equipped with the Aisin!?
Why Chrysler hasn't just dropped the 68RFE is beyond me...
A very important number is GVWR and GCWR. Back in 2006 I had to bring it to the attention of a national boating magazine that did a review on the Dodge's new Mega Cab and the tow ratings on it. The numbers didn't work out then either. The marketing numbers were clearly wrong as you can't exceed the GCWR and towing max numbers they published, you couldn't put fuel in it, nor have any passengers or cargo for the most part. Keep in mind that the Ram numbers in the guide you showing were base models of that cab/wheelbase/driveline and that they are typically dry weights, not including fuel, and other liquids. Also they have zero options on them as well.
Here in Texas the GVWR is used for determining DL class ratings, not actual weights. If the GVWR + GVWR is over 26K lbs, then you need a class A license. If you look at people with F350 for example you have a 14,000 GVWR in the truck and if the trailer has a rating exceeding 12,000 GVWR you need a non-commercial class A license. Many people don't realize that.
As for the slide in camper rating on Fords at least if you didn't purchase the camper certification option, Ford clearly states on the sheet that the truck is NOT certified to use a slide in camper, no matter what. On an older F250 that I had, it came with that option and clearly outlined the CG limits and weight ratings. On my newer F350 I didn't purchase that option and the sheet clearly states that I am not allowed to have a slide in camper on the truck.
I am in agreement with you that they need to have the GCWR listed in the door jamb itself as well. That is the main reason they don't list the trailer rating. Without that number you simply can NOT calculate the max towing weight.
I hope that Ram responds to you guys. Sounds like it could get messy for them. If they are changing the two ratings now, that would be that they are changing the GCWR. What will the weights and measurement enforcement guys use for a GCWR? That is the one that matters. Might want to contact your highway patrol and talk with the the W&M guys to see how they find that number to know if you are in violation of the law when they crack out the portable scales on the side of the road.
On my 2020 Power Wagon my payload dropped 145lb and towing 1500 lbs. I have a screeen shot of my original numbers and checked after hearing about it yesterday and dropped that much. heck Power Wagons already had terrible payload and now it is about like a CRV....
Camper carrying cap is different from load cap? Thats a good one.
My 2021 Ford doesn't match on the Ford website versus the old towing guide. Also the max hitch weight for a Gooseneck is 750lbs less than the payload. Not sure why it's different.
The web site has no information for my vin on my 22 ram 3500 crew cab 4x4 8 ft box, i6 high output 6 speed.
It LOOKS like the vin look up was just using generic max towing numbers and not taking into account the options of the vehicle. I could see where they might have had an error in the system that was just giving max tow numbers by model and cab configuration, but as stated, different options have different weights.
My 2020 1500 Bighorn still says 1,785 max payload and 11,290 max towing. I still find it strange they never installed a trailer brake controller
Have seen 2 rams now with snapped frames one that we've all seen on RUclips, and then seen one at home depot snap in half just like the 1st one.
Since you all own one can you get your Ram Dealer to push for an answer since they aren’t answering you? I assume that’s Johnson who you all have a great relationship with. My 2021 Ram 1500 Crew Cab with 3.92 remained at 11,200 of towing capacity. I’m not sure if it’s effecting other 1/2 ton buyers. Did you put Stuby’s VIN in?
Seems like the original data was incorrect and instead of doing the right thing and making an official announcement, RAM just made the correction and kept quiet.