Here in Saudi Arabia it’s called Poer and it’s been out for over a year in here. And so many owners are loving it specially the diesel engine. So many diehard Hilux are switching to Poer.
Yep, I'm hearing the same from Russia and it will take a bit for the Aussies to learn that not only Ford Ranger and Toyota Hilux have the right to exist
@@ValueCarsAU Ya here in Saudi Arabia the Ford Ranger is almost nonexistent but Hilux that you’ll see every with the isuzo DMAX and Mitsubishi L200. You also cans see a good bunch of GWM pickups from 2003 still kicking. Btw someone spotted a Tank 700 in one of the dealers here in Saudi Arabia I can share the pic with you if u want.
Its a very personal choice you have here of course. We own a Pajero and go camping/ touring and off road regularly in QLD.(yes we love our Pajero) As much as I very much like the Tank 300 for instance, its capacity to go camping with the family is limited even with roof rails in use. Using a trailer is just a liability for us. A canopy on the ute would provide extra space, a separated cargo area, and no requirement to load on the roof. With safety in mind alone, it ticks a lot of boxes. Hope you enjoy expanding your horizons by 4 wheel driving, not boasting but we are headed for Frazer Island for the 2nd time this year, and if it was me I'd be swinging towards the ute for several reasons.
Jamie, the Pajero is great when it works, a very capable and under-rated off-roader, but I was plagued with overheating issues as well as water tubes breaking underneath the valley cover of the V6 3800. The NL (3.0 or 3.5 litre) is the best of them, with frame-on-chassis construction. The NP (mine) had to have its rear axle bushings replaced by burning them out (4x) for many hours to replace - they just seized up with salt water. The NL with the leaf springs and live rear axle didn't have this problem! Horses for courses, and after several trips to Fraser Is. with my NP, my rear wheel alignment became so bad that I destroyed a set of brand new rear tyres (front was OK) on a trip around the Qld outback of about 4k out of Brisbane. New tyres (again), and then I found out about the four bushes connected to the rear diff via Panhard rods or whatever. No matter how well I sprayed the underside with a water blaster after being on the beach, it was stuffed. They had to be burned off, they were so badly seized. It really cost me a fortune, and then straight after that, the water tubes under the valley cover... I was glad to get rid of the car.
@@rorylyons277 Thank you for your reply. I'm sorry to hear you had trouble with the Pajero and always have an open ear for issues with them. Thanks for letting me know what to expect in the future. Just for Interest mine is the NW 3.2 diesel with 160,000klm on the clock. After reading your comments I will be keeping a close eye on these undercarriage issues.
Great to hear mate, and while I decided that the car wasn't right for me, I can still see its value within its own price category. Especially if you have something to put into that massive tub!
I own the Gwm ute (L version) ,my partner and i, love it. The only thing that absolutely pisses her and me off, is the constant DPF burnoffs ( often when you arrive to a location ). Now, this is important, if you fail to do a complete burnoff more then 3 times ( so basically sitting in the car in your driveway, or shopping centre for 15min to complete ) , the vehicle will go into limp mode, with check engine warning light illuminated ( easy to fix yourself - if your handy with cars, so dont go back to the dealer ). This is my only gripe, but if i were you Dimitri, i would opt for the tank ( i love it by the way ), since you have fond memories of your jeep you used to have
Hey Adam thank you mate, very insightful. I've tried Cannon-X and it was amazing. Another video is coming soon. Yeah you're right about the Tank, but the problem is that it's not exactly a Jeep and at it's price point I honestly liked driving Cannon-X more, I really did. How often do you have to do DPF burn? I heard about it but no one really says a) how often, and b) if all diesel vehicles have the same problem or is this need to manually burn only in GWM Cannons?
@@ValueCarsAU To answer your question; A - This function comes on automatically , you literally could be 15min into a journey , and it will come on ( whilst travelling , regardless of speed ). If you stop , the engine sits at higher revs( all cars, inc, the ute, sit at about 800rpm at idle) .This is supposedly to heat up the dpf to burn off any 'particulates' that are caught in it ( it's all part of newer diesel engines to be more eco friendly , generally more restrictions are made each year to how much a engine pollutes ) Again , you will not know when it's going to do it, as there is no DPF guage ( newer trucks do ) I travel from the South Coast to Sydney , and it could come on at 60kms into the trip, whilst travelling at 110kms, and it's perfectly safe to do so , as the burn will be quicker, if the engine sits above 2000rpm to aid the burn. B - All new diesel vehicles have a dpf (Diesel Particulate Filter) , and have slightly different operation of how they complete a burn, in fact Toyota hilux / fortuner , had alot of consumer complaints about their dpf operation. ( I think that it led to a recall by memory ). All in all, it's not a big issue, as I work in Sydney , and there are alot of them getting about on the road lately, but it's something you will come across. P.s , same little sunglass holder like the haval 😉
I would say go with the Cannon Dimitri. I have a CannonX on order, great value for money. I test drove the ute twice, reviewed and reviewed until I finally got my head around a Chinese Ute. I no longer need 0-100 in quick time. As I get older I prefer value for money and comfort. My main concerns are the apparent regular dpf regens, poor speaker quality and the abrupt turbo boost, but I can live with that. I am currently coming from an Amarok V6 (4yrs). I cancelled my current Amarok Aventura order to save 40k. Looking forward to a GWM Cannon video from your Russian mechanic mate.
Exactly my thoughts mate. Depends on the stage of life too. If you're working in the city and not really driving out much - at all - I'd say a Ute is probably excessive. I do drive to central coast and some other areas rather regularly though.
Hi Dimitri we have had our Cannon X for 3 months now. We had a Range Rover previously and while I won’t compare it to that vehicle, it’s still is an amazing truck. Drives as well as all the others and probably has more tech than any of them. 😊
Hello Dimitri, about GWM Cannon utes! is good value for money, the ute is at least it's more pratical then SUV! the advantage about the utes, is good for tradies, Camping, shoping to burnnings to carry big items and it's a very good family car! and have 2 choice to buy 4WD or 2WD, i don't realy need to buy a ute but if i need to buy large SUV I prefer buy the Ute and it does look much nicer, and you can see utes are more popular then Sedans and Hacthback....
I agree with you mate and still am quite surprised with myself that I've never really seriously considered a Ute until now, and now I'm scratching my head here, asking - why haven't I?
Shopping in a ute one problem if you do not have the tray covered it gets wet or very hot in the sun,back seat air con on no problem in ute just leave family at home if they take the space for shopping in the back seat.
Dimitri, How do the Cannon and Tank300 compare with virtual controls buried in the screen vs physical buttons? Until owning the H6 Ultra I've never realised how much I like and need buttons. My next purchase will be towards a car with physical buttons for volume, AC, hot/cold temp, air recirculation, and seat heating/cooling.
Hey mate, I'll need to take a closer look, but had 2 test drives of 2 different Cannon models and both had better tuned ELK (yes it is there, but nothing like H6), and controls of the radio and air con are right there, as physical knobs, which is great too.
As a current owner of a GWM Cannon-X (I've had it for 11 months, with 24,500kms on it) where I traded in my MG HS Essence X. I do miss the inside of the MG, as it had some serious Mercedes/BMW insides but the GWM drives wayyyyy better than the MG The Cannon has always been quick from the get go and never given me lag
Hey mate, how did you find getting used to the much longer Cannon X vs Essence X in the city? Any difficulty parking - specifically, shopping centre carparks?
@@ValueCarsAU so far I have tried just about every shopping centre in Sydney, the only one I’ve had an issue with was a local Woolworths with a carpark height of 1.8m In regards to length, it has been zero issues, especially given the 360 camera that is far better than the system I had on my essence X!
Hey mate I test drove base model a couple of days ago and also tried Cannon X today. XSR is out of my price range (and X kinda is too), so I'm trying to see if I can fit into L financially, or should I just consider getting a base model and then adding a few things to it - which are cheaper in aftermarket, such as the sports bar at the back (or a canopy). Have you considered those options?
I have thought about it a base model is definitely easier on the pocket. But I am one of those people who likes it all or nothing even if I don’t use half of the features lol. GWM Shanhai Cannon and 500 might be a better fit for me and my family tho.
@ValueCarsAU that is awesome! Love that your doing GWM and Haval reviews. Its a proper good car! I also can't believe you've done some reviews of cars with the body off haha. No one does that! That's wicked!
@@ValueCarsAU from where i am that tailgate step extender is missing in our market. The 4x4 auto system is interesting. I guess, & hoping, it can be manipulated via OBD.
@@ValueCarsAU yeah driven both, meant in how it drives and handles. Cannon is a bit wobbly on road, like a Hilux. Just needs some tuning. Was pretty good, has plenty of custom options too. The chinese are going nuts with them. There could he some cool options coming un the next year, influding a RAM sized version. But the facelift will take it up a notch.
There doesn't seem to be much difference between any of these Chinese dual cabs. As a workhorse they compete well against all the Japanese units built in Thailand. The Chinese are on a winner with these things but no one should buy a dual cab for personal use only. Too big, too thirsty, too unsafe.
Sensible call outs Darron, wouldn't expect any less from you my friend. Same logic would apply to any power cars (nowhere to speed really), luxury cars (why waste extreme money?) and majority of Toyotas (why wait 24+ months for delivery?). My point is, we as humans do most of the things because we want to, not because we have to. And Chinese vs not - it's a matter of what we can afford, I think. I'll release another video talking about X model this weekend, further thoughts and context there mate
I think it’s great for what it is. But if you have a look through owners forums and long term reviews, too many customers have had their vehicle go in to limp mode in dangerous situations. I think they have some work to do to get the automatic burn working to the same level as the competition
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Here in Saudi Arabia it’s called Poer and it’s been out for over a year in here. And so many owners are loving it specially the diesel engine. So many diehard Hilux are switching to Poer.
Yep, I'm hearing the same from Russia and it will take a bit for the Aussies to learn that not only Ford Ranger and Toyota Hilux have the right to exist
@@ValueCarsAU Ya here in Saudi Arabia the Ford Ranger is almost nonexistent but Hilux that you’ll see every with the isuzo DMAX and Mitsubishi L200. You also cans see a good bunch of GWM pickups from 2003 still kicking.
Btw someone spotted a Tank 700 in one of the dealers here in Saudi Arabia I can share the pic with you if u want.
Its a very personal choice you have here of course. We own a Pajero and go camping/ touring and off road regularly in QLD.(yes we love our Pajero) As much as I very much like the Tank 300 for instance, its capacity to go camping with the family is limited even with roof rails in use. Using a trailer is just a liability for us. A canopy on the ute would provide extra space, a separated cargo area, and no requirement to load on the roof. With safety in mind alone, it ticks a lot of boxes. Hope you enjoy expanding your horizons by 4 wheel driving, not boasting but we are headed for Frazer Island for the 2nd time this year, and if it was me I'd be swinging towards the ute for several reasons.
Thank you mate - very informative, and the words of encouragement are always appreciated!
Jamie, the Pajero is great when it works, a very capable and under-rated off-roader, but I was plagued with overheating issues as well as water tubes breaking underneath the valley cover of the V6 3800. The NL (3.0 or 3.5 litre) is the best of them, with frame-on-chassis construction. The NP (mine) had to have its rear axle bushings replaced by burning them out (4x) for many hours to replace - they just seized up with salt water. The NL with the leaf springs and live rear axle didn't have this problem!
Horses for courses, and after several trips to Fraser Is. with my NP, my rear wheel alignment became so bad that I destroyed a set of brand new rear tyres (front was OK) on a trip around the Qld outback of about 4k out of Brisbane. New tyres (again), and then I found out about the four bushes connected to the rear diff via Panhard rods or whatever. No matter how well I sprayed the underside with a water blaster after being on the beach, it was stuffed. They had to be burned off, they were so badly seized. It really cost me a fortune, and then straight after that, the water tubes under the valley cover...
I was glad to get rid of the car.
@@rorylyons277 Thank you for your reply. I'm sorry to hear you had trouble with the Pajero and always have an open ear for issues with them. Thanks for letting me know what to expect in the future. Just for Interest mine is the NW 3.2 diesel with 160,000klm on the clock. After reading your comments I will be keeping a close eye on these undercarriage issues.
Pajero 60k usd
Tank 300 35k usd
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Second hand Pajero 15k usd 🤣@@2cool1983
Hi Dimitri, I'd love to see a road test of the GWM Cannon as well as an off road test. Keep up the good work mate!
Great to hear and glad you liked it! More coming! 😉
Hi Dimitri I have had my Cannon since 2020 this Feb it will be 3 years old 92,00 on the clock and apart from the services I love this vehicle
Great to hear mate, and while I decided that the car wasn't right for me, I can still see its value within its own price category. Especially if you have something to put into that massive tub!
I own the Gwm ute (L version) ,my partner and i, love it.
The only thing that absolutely pisses her and me off, is the constant DPF burnoffs ( often when you arrive to a location ).
Now, this is important, if you fail to do a complete burnoff more then 3 times ( so basically sitting in the car in your driveway, or shopping centre for 15min to complete ) , the vehicle will go into limp mode, with check engine warning light illuminated ( easy to fix yourself - if your handy with cars, so dont go back to the dealer ).
This is my only gripe, but if i were you Dimitri, i would opt for the tank ( i love it by the way ), since you have fond memories of your jeep you used to have
Hey Adam thank you mate, very insightful. I've tried Cannon-X and it was amazing. Another video is coming soon. Yeah you're right about the Tank, but the problem is that it's not exactly a Jeep and at it's price point I honestly liked driving Cannon-X more, I really did. How often do you have to do DPF burn? I heard about it but no one really says a) how often, and b) if all diesel vehicles have the same problem or is this need to manually burn only in GWM Cannons?
@@ValueCarsAU
To answer your question;
A - This function comes on automatically , you literally could be 15min into a journey , and it will come on ( whilst travelling , regardless of speed ). If you stop , the engine sits at higher revs( all cars, inc, the ute, sit at about 800rpm at idle) .This is supposedly to heat up the dpf to burn off any 'particulates' that are caught in it ( it's all part of newer diesel engines to be more eco friendly , generally more restrictions are made each year to how much a engine pollutes )
Again , you will not know when it's going to do it, as there is no DPF guage ( newer trucks do )
I travel from the South Coast to Sydney , and it could come on at 60kms into the trip, whilst travelling at 110kms, and it's perfectly safe to do so , as the burn will be quicker, if the engine sits above 2000rpm to aid the burn.
B - All new diesel vehicles have a dpf (Diesel Particulate Filter) , and have slightly different operation of how they complete a burn, in fact Toyota hilux / fortuner , had alot of consumer complaints about their dpf operation. ( I think that it led to a recall by memory ).
All in all, it's not a big issue, as I work in Sydney , and there are alot of them getting about on the road lately, but it's something you will come across.
P.s , same little sunglass holder like the haval 😉
@@Adam-7_7_7 thanks a lot once again mate, lots to think about (DPF sounds annoying if I'm honest, but I did enjoy how it drives and feels)
I would say go with the Cannon Dimitri. I have a CannonX on order, great value for money. I test drove the ute twice, reviewed and reviewed until I finally got my head around a Chinese Ute. I no longer need 0-100 in quick time. As I get older I prefer value for money and comfort. My main concerns are the apparent regular dpf regens, poor speaker quality and the abrupt turbo boost, but I can live with that.
I am currently coming from an Amarok V6 (4yrs). I cancelled my current Amarok Aventura order to save 40k.
Looking forward to a GWM Cannon video from your Russian mechanic mate.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts mate, really appreciated (and I agree with your overall logic in how you think about choosing your vehicle)
Your reviews are useful and helpful to us potential buyers - great job 🙏
Thank you for the words of support
Good video, I'm similar in that I don't really need a ute but perhaps if you have one then you do end up doing more camping / light off road etc.
Exactly my thoughts mate. Depends on the stage of life too. If you're working in the city and not really driving out much - at all - I'd say a Ute is probably excessive. I do drive to central coast and some other areas rather regularly though.
Hi Dimitri we have had our Cannon X for 3 months now. We had a Range Rover previously and while I won’t compare it to that vehicle, it’s still is an amazing truck. Drives as well as all the others and probably has more tech than any of them. 😊
Great to hear mate, I drove Cannon X today (after this base model in review) and was very very impressed.
Hello Dimitri, about GWM Cannon utes! is good value for money, the ute is at least it's more pratical then SUV!
the advantage about the utes, is good for tradies, Camping, shoping to burnnings to carry big items and it's a very good family car! and have 2 choice to buy 4WD or 2WD, i don't realy need to buy a ute but if i need to buy large SUV I prefer buy the Ute and it does look much nicer, and you can see utes are more popular then Sedans and Hacthback....
I agree with you mate and still am quite surprised with myself that I've never really seriously considered a Ute until now, and now I'm scratching my head here, asking - why haven't I?
Shopping in a ute one problem if you do not have the tray covered it gets wet or very hot in the sun,back seat air con on no problem in ute just leave family at home if they take the space for shopping in the back seat.
i don't own one but know three people who do and they absolutely love them!
Yep, I hear they are great and at the end of the day it all depends on how those people use their Utes.
@@ValueCarsAU one is a tradie and he loves it, other two just drive them around town, they all love them
Dimitri, How do the Cannon and Tank300 compare with virtual controls buried in the screen vs physical buttons? Until owning the H6 Ultra I've never realised how much I like and need buttons. My next purchase will be towards a car with physical buttons for volume, AC, hot/cold temp, air recirculation, and seat heating/cooling.
Hey mate, I'll need to take a closer look, but had 2 test drives of 2 different Cannon models and both had better tuned ELK (yes it is there, but nothing like H6), and controls of the radio and air con are right there, as physical knobs, which is great too.
As a current owner of a GWM Cannon-X (I've had it for 11 months, with 24,500kms on it) where I traded in my MG HS Essence X.
I do miss the inside of the MG, as it had some serious Mercedes/BMW insides but the GWM drives wayyyyy better than the MG
The Cannon has always been quick from the get go and never given me lag
Hey mate, how did you find getting used to the much longer Cannon X vs Essence X in the city? Any difficulty parking - specifically, shopping centre carparks?
@@ValueCarsAU so far I have tried just about every shopping centre in Sydney, the only one I’ve had an issue with was a local Woolworths with a carpark height of 1.8m
In regards to length, it has been zero issues, especially given the 360 camera that is far better than the system I had on my essence X!
Which grade of cannon Ute are you looking at getting mate. I am waiting on a test drive for the cannon XSR.
Hey mate I test drove base model a couple of days ago and also tried Cannon X today. XSR is out of my price range (and X kinda is too), so I'm trying to see if I can fit into L financially, or should I just consider getting a base model and then adding a few things to it - which are cheaper in aftermarket, such as the sports bar at the back (or a canopy). Have you considered those options?
I have thought about it a base model is definitely easier on the pocket. But I am one of those people who likes it all or nothing even if I don’t use half of the features lol. GWM Shanhai Cannon and 500 might be a better fit for me and my family tho.
My dream SUV Ute
I'm impressed with how well it's built and how competitively it's priced. More videos are coming to show other models.
Nice! Love our Cannon!
Mate, you guys are a major part of the reason why I'm seriously considering this Ute for our needs! 😉🤙
@ValueCarsAU that is awesome! Love that your doing GWM and Haval reviews. Its a proper good car! I also can't believe you've done some reviews of cars with the body off haha. No one does that! That's wicked!
Dimistri is great value for money this car
It certainly looks this way
True. I tested drove. It feels like not driving a large vehicle. It feels like a smaller SUV.
Feels like a large SUV to me, and another - more detailed review is coming this weekend for Cannon-X model.
@@ValueCarsAU from where i am that tailgate step extender is missing in our market.
The 4x4 auto system is interesting. I guess, & hoping, it can be manipulated via OBD.
We wanted a Cannon, but the current model is just missing some refinement, the 2024 will have a facelift and more of a tank 300 interior.
Have you seen Cannon X or Vanta? I found it as refined if not more than Tank 300
@@ValueCarsAU yeah driven both, meant in how it drives and handles. Cannon is a bit wobbly on road, like a Hilux. Just needs some tuning. Was pretty good, has plenty of custom options too. The chinese are going nuts with them. There could he some cool options coming un the next year, influding a RAM sized version. But the facelift will take it up a notch.
I like your video,I will follow your work,think you!
Thank you for your interest!
There doesn't seem to be much difference between any of these Chinese dual cabs.
As a workhorse they compete well against all the Japanese units built in Thailand. The Chinese are on a winner with these things but no one should buy a dual cab for personal use only. Too big, too thirsty, too unsafe.
Sensible call outs Darron, wouldn't expect any less from you my friend. Same logic would apply to any power cars (nowhere to speed really), luxury cars (why waste extreme money?) and majority of Toyotas (why wait 24+ months for delivery?). My point is, we as humans do most of the things because we want to, not because we have to. And Chinese vs not - it's a matter of what we can afford, I think. I'll release another video talking about X model this weekend, further thoughts and context there mate
Sir Dimitri its not leather its faux leather, by the way nothing wrong with it compared to real leather imho.😜
I think one would need to be somewhat unhinged to think it's real leather
@@ValueCarsAU
some older people in the early 70's first look think its real leather sir(100% agree with you)
Don’t buy it it has a dodgy DPF
Anything to substantiate this as you're the first mud slinger on this topic, others love it
Toyota Hilux had problems with a dodgy dpf,i have not read anywhere the GVM cannon has a similar problem.
I think it’s great for what it is. But if you have a look through owners forums and long term reviews, too many customers have had their vehicle go in to limp mode in dangerous situations. I think they have some work to do to get the automatic burn working to the same level as the competition