My wife and I watch BATMAN: BAD BLOOD for the FIRST time || DCAMU
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- Опубликовано: 6 июл 2024
- We're watching the next DCAMU film, Batman: Bad Blood for the first time!
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Barbra Gordon is BATGIRL, while Kate Kane is BATWOMAN
Yup, ik it can be confusing because there’s so many ppl on the bat family
Guys its women, who cares😂 lol jk
And then even later down the line I add another Batgirl and spoiler an Archer for the bat family
@@Naruto_uzumaki120 hokage sama, people are gonna think that archer is a spoiler lol
This is one of the interesting bat family line ups New 52 and Rebirth / (Prime Earth) bat family
Bruce Wayne / Batman (leader)
Cassandra Cain / Orphan / Batgirl
Claire Clover / Gotham Girl
Barbara Gordon / Batgirl / Oracle
Selina Kyle / Catwoman
Julia Pennyworth
Duke Thomas / Robin / Lark / The Signal
Damian Wayne / Robin
Stephanie Brown / Spoiler / Batgirl
Henry "Hank" Clover Jr. / Gotham (deceased)
Timothy "Tim" Drake / Robin / Red Robin
Richard "Dick" Grayson / Robin / Nightwing / Batman / Agent 37
Lucas "Luke" Fox / Batwing
Katherine "Kate" Kane / Batwoman
Basil Karlo / Clayface (retired after faking his own death)
Alfred Pennyworth (deceased)
Harper Row / Bluebird (retired)
Jason Todd / Robin / Red Hood
Jean-Paul Valley / Azrael
David Zavimbe / Batwing
Minhkhoa "Khoa" Khan / Ghost-Maker
Harleen Quinzel / Harley Quinn
a common fan theory is that Talia changed due to her being healed in the Lazarus pit in the previous film. that is consistent with people revived by the pit but it would be nice if the film confirmed that for people not familiar with it's effects.
That's exactly what just came to my mind. The pit changes her.
She definitely changed,that's a fact, whether it was Lazarus revival or something else has to be confirmed, she's clearly not the same person from the 1st movie, just watch it back to back if you have confusion
She wasn't healed, she was revived, she was straight up dead in the last movie
I was about to comment this.
@@justrenz6908same here
Fun fact: kates dad is the brother of martha Wayne which makes kate and bruce cousins. Although they never made that connection here
Wait, so Bruce has an uncle?
@@baronroaster404 Yes, he also had an Aunt Agatha. at one time just depends on which universe/timeline.
I keep forgetting that
since they're DC newbies, it's understadanble they don't know Batgirl and Batwoman are 2 completely different characters.
I hope they now know Batgirl is commissioner James Gordons' daughter Barbara and Batwoman is Kate Kane, Batman/Bruce Wayne's cousin.
Also how Stephanie is another batgirl after Barbra becomes the oracle after the Killing Joke event
Remember how they mentioned multiple times that the lazarus pit turns basically everyone except ras insane? And Remember how bruce brought talia back to life in the lazarus pit? Yeeeeeeah
Oh no, Ras was insane. Every plan he had was completely insane; it's just that Ras had the discipline not to act on those insane thoughts half the time.
Except that in the Animated Series he in fact DOES go insane; EVERY TIME. He simply recovers after a time.
They even explained in Under the Red Hood with Jason so it always flies over peoples heads
Did y’all forget that most of the gear that Lucius makes is for Batman so that Iron Bat suit or whatever was design for him originally and Lucius son simply took it
The batwing suit was being developed by Lucius for Batman because he’s Batman’s “tech guy”. His son just happened to find it and decided to make it his own thing without consulting anyone.
Could have had a different name though. It was always weird.
@@Iwillone Agreed, then again there's only so many ways you can use the word bat in a super hero name before it starts sounding reaaal goofy
Clown of a character made to replace Tim Drake
@rainofkhandaq6678 I actually like Batwing and wish he was made more mainstream. He's to batman, what STEEL is to Superman. Plus I love that his suit is almost a very early version of what we know we'll see in the Batman Beyond suit, so he's like a constant reminder of the future.
"Abe Lincoln" is actually Jervis tetch, AKA The Madhatter
I was waiting for someone to say it. I thought it would be obvious cause of his hat. Right. But I guess not.
Nah Lincoln is a better name. 🤣
@@jonathant4902 but that’s a separate villain.
@@brucechmiel7964 Lincoln was a real life villain. Confederacy all the way!
If I had a nickel for every time, Batman fought Abe Lincoln, I’d have $.10 which isn’t much but it’s weird it happened twice.
What everyone seems to forget about Alfred Pennyworth is that he is Ex British Special Forces. So he more than capable of handling himself
That is not Batgirl! It's Batwoman! Two different characters with major differences in looks, weapons, and tactics.
and sexuality lol
By the way, have you ever heard of someone being mad as a hatter? The Mad Hatter?
“I made tea for you, Batman it’s my special tea, my special tea, my specialty.”
He’s a master of hypnotherapy, mind manipulation, and is also suffering from several different kinds of psychosis. Jervis, has the technology to put his victims in a living dream and while they’re asleep, their bodies are used as puppets for him to rob banks, deal information kill people, whatever. Depending on the Continuity, or watching his “Alice” is Batman well others there’s a literal woman named Alice, that he’s obsessed with, and wants to force her to be in love with him or by putting her in her living dream.
That was the Mad Hatter! 🤣
I haven’t rewatched this movie, but I’m pretty sure Talia’s behavior was explained as her mind being affected from being in the Lazarus Pit, which is confirmed to do that, though typically with prolonged use, which is why Ra’s Al Ghul is as extreme as he is
In some iterations, Batwoman (Kate Kane, not Batgirl aka Barbara Gordon) is Bruce’s cousin
The reason all the tech has BAT association is BECAUSE Lucios designs it FOR Batman. it's not like Stark Tech that is varied and just has his Logo on it Batman's Tech is specifically tailored to be FOR Batman. One look and you KNOW it belongs to Batman. THAT'S the point. The Armor that Batwing is wearing, was designed FOR Bruce. His son just appropriated it.g is wearing is Batman's Armor designed by Lucius. Batwoman though created her Armor to have the Bat motif. There's a difference there. OH and that gril they show at the end....THAT is Barbara Gordon who is BatGIRL
If you are surprised how many bat people are in this movie, you should read Wayne adventures comics and see how many Bat people are there😂😂
Wayne adventures! Is that by Mike myers?
If you are talking about the author is CRC Payne
Or Tynion's Detective Comics which shows a lot of the members.
“Lincoln” is a Batman villain known as the Mad Hatter. He uses technology to enslave people through mind control (and he obviously has an unhealthy preoccupation with the world of Alice in Wonderland).
As you’ve heard a hundred times by now, Barbara Gordon is Batgirl, who is an entirely different character than Batwoman.
I’m not sure about this, but I think the idea with Batwing is that Lucius had already built that suit for Bruce, so that’s why it was already Bat themed and such.
Batgirl and Batwoman are 2 completely different characters
Editors note saving the friggen day. Utter confusion.
There's a theory that the reason why Talia al Ghul became evil in this movie was because of the side effects of the Lazarus Pit. In the Son of Batman movie, Batman saved Talia from death by putting in her the Lazarus Pit after getting killed by Deathstroke.
The Bat Family is
Bruce Wayne / Batman
Dick Grayson / Nightwing
Jason Todd / Red Hood
Tim Drake / Red Robin
Damien Wayne / Robin
Luke Fox / Batwing
Barbara Gordon / Batgirl
Kate Kane / Batwoman
Cassandra Cain / Black Bat
Stephanie Brown / Spoiler
Helena Bertinelli / Huntress
Ace / Bat Hound
There is a another character called Signal but I ignore that character cus it's stupid he's called Signal get it like Bat Signal and he has a silly bright yellow costume
I love Duke but his name should've stayed Lark.
Jervis tetch AKA The Mad Hatter
Talia is behaving the way she is because she was put in the Lazarus Pit on the last movie, and every time you use it, it eats at your sanity, making you crazier and crazier. She was already devoted to the leagues goal, but after being put in the pit...well....
I kinda feel bad for Jen because if she still doesn't like Damian then she's not going to like a few more of these movies. Damian is essentially the main character of this whole universe.
She's not alone. Many people can not stand Damian, but DC insists on forcing things instead of giving people what they want.
@@MrMpa31 I meanthat logic is dumb though. Because many people do like damien so what are you gonna say when they say the same thing you said?
@@prodby3clips There are many, many characters that are not disliked by a vast amount of fans. Although DC seems intent on losing money these days. Just look what they’ve done with their comics and their declining audience.
@@prodby3clips The biggest issue is that DC refuses to continue developing characters that already exist and just keep pushing out more and more new characters people dislike. If they actually worked with many other characters, we wouldn't even need Damian in the first place.
But he constantly grows and by the end is a top 3 character
It was never explained why Talia became this heartless and evil, but there is a theory that she changed because of the Lazarus Pit, since that Pit heals you and returns you to your prime, but also drives you crazy, you are no longer the same person as before, the negative sides of you are increased, and that is a one possible reason why she became like this.
Kate in the comics is Bruce's cousin on his mother's side.
Kate Arkham?
@@hkaayaakuu Kate Kane. The the character that Ruby Rose played on the CW arrowverse shows
@@stevenbaker107 yeah before she fled the show sadly 😂
@@hkaayaakuu yeah definitely.
So what you guy's are seeing is a small portion of the Bat Family. In this movie.
I'm not gonna lie; I think it could be fun to either play or react to the Batman Arkham games with Jen. Andy Gilleand on RUclips made them into movies.
This editor is cracking me up! 😅
Yeah the editing on Holden's videos is always top notch. Just hilarious.
Talia used, or Batman dipped her into the Lazarus Pit, that probably what altered her behavior
It was. For those who don't know, the Lazarus Pit changes a person's soul. It doesn't matter if you bathe in it once or twenty times. Once you come out of the Pit, you'll never be the same person you once were. Plus, remember, Talia wasn't just healing an injury; she was almost dead when Bruce put her in the Pit, which altered her even more.
The dark knight returns.... Soooo good, please watch it
She's clearly not the same person from the 1st movie,that's a fact, she definitely changed, whether it was Lazarus revival or something else has to be confirmed, just watched it back to back if you have confusion
The woman, dating Kate at the end of the movie is a redesign of a popular character who’s origin starts way back to the 1992 animated series. Officer, Renee Montoya. She was an original character just for that show. She started as a beat cop at the GCPD and was partnered up with Harvey Bullock. Not to be confused with Harvey Dent “Two Face” or Officer Flass from Batman, begins and the Batman year one comics who was Gordon’s original partner. Anyway, Montoya was a very popular character. She aced the detective exam and became a valuable asset to Gotham’s war on crime. Feeling the need to expand on her they made her the successor to the noir style detective superhero The Question. Later, it was decided to make her lesbian and have her romantically involved with Batwoman.
Abraham Lincoln must be Mad Hatter aka Jervis Tetch.
You gotta check out The Dark Knight returns Part 1 & 2
15:20 I own the comic where this is based on. Batman has Damian. Thalia is jealous. Makes clones to get Damian back or kill him if necessary. One of the clones is all "oh I'm your son wa wa wa" so he kills Damian. Then Thalia is angry about Damian being dead. So she kills the thing.
Kate and Bruce are actually cousins
You both always post such great content. I love your channel...been following for years! Keep up the great work!!!
I'm sure you'll probably explain in intro of next DCAMU movie, hopefully, but yeah the comment section has pretty much cover everything the difference between batgirl and batwoman, 2 completely different characters, and the affects of the Lazarus pit of Talia when they put her in there in Son of Batman movie.
I laughed harder at this one than usual- “No ABE you’re supposed to be signing the emancipation” and “Oh NO not…Batwing”
THANK YOU EDITOR ! i figured they would mess them both up.
Fun fact batwoman is Batman’s cousin
So is she Kate Wayne or Kate arkham or was martha, martha kane
@@hkaayaakuu Martha Kane
@@jacobburt5734 i believe they changed Martha kane to Martha arkham in Reeves Batman
I forgot how cold hearted Talia is in this film. Dam. The Lazarus pit must have changed her.
Said it in the last DC video and I'll keep saying it. Watching the DC animated movies but not watching the ones based off of the greatest hits of Batman's comics is a crime tbh. The death of Robin. Under the Red hood. Dark knight returns. Killing Joke. Are some of the essentials
Killing joke is such a terrible film
Kate Kane is Bruce Wayne's cousin
*Incoming Batgirl/Batwoman debacle*
"I dont need no man"😂
Holden, I love you brotha, but you were stretching those Abe Lincoln jokes at the end 😂 I'm surprised you didn't know who Mad Hatter was.
NOW WE GOT BAD BLOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!
“You mean, by whom” 😂 The eye roll! 🤣
Everyone loves Nightwing. Top 5 DC superhero
Three good animated batman movies y’all should check out are Batman under the red hood, Batman the dark knight returns part 1 and 2, and Batman the long Halloween part 1 and 2.
that's actually 5 movies
17:30 two reasons for this. 1. branding of course and where they from which leads to 2. in story what city they focus for which this is of course gotham. no different from superman comics when there is steel who resides in metropolis and protects it when superman isnt around or helps out superman against major threats in metropolis.
I also have mixed feelings on this movie. I agree that the first half of the movie was very interesting and the second half just went downhill.
Seeing Nightwing take over for Batman for a little bit was great, the growth of Damian is great. I actually like Batwoman in this and the Nunjas joke was top tier!!! Haha
But yeah, Batwing was just shoe Horned in. This movie is a perfect example of less is more. Too many new characters stuffed together in a short time, it just doesn't work.
In the batman lore there are many Bat-characters that join Batman's team so I don't mind them all being bats, I just wish there was a better justification in this movie to why they were bats in this movie. Nightwing and Robin feels earned. But Batwing didn't feel earned at all.
And like yall mentioned, Talia was completely out of character from the last time we saw her. That really bothered me.
The "Abraham Lincoln" character is Jervis Tetch, AKA The Mad Hatter. He is based off of The Mad Hatter character from Alice in Wonderland
Yup, what you said. 100%
@@seimen4348 Not in regardess to Talia. Remember, the Lazarus Pit changes a person's very soul, which is what happened to her. This was showing that, but I'll forgive you guys for not knowing DC content. Just make sure you put that you don't know much about the DC universe before making assumptions.
@dantejohnson7796 I've been a DC fan for over 20 years, I know DC content very well. Yes the pit changes people and that's probably what did happen in this movie but not once did they say or even imply that's what was happening to Talia here in this movie. If they made even a single comment about her being different because of the pit then it would have fixed this major issue. So AT BEST we as the audience are left with just fan theories rather than an actual explanation. That's just lazy writing.
Lucius made the bat suit that Luke ends up wearing for Batman, hence why it’s bat themed. Luke didn’t choose the logo it just so happened to be on the suit therefore inducting him into the bat family
Honestly I just wish Batwing wasnt in this (especially because I think it's dumb for him to have the same name as the jet 🤣)
Been patiently waiting for the DCAU to continue
- Tetch brainwashed Batman.
- Talia bathed in a Lazarus Pit and it’s made her more cold blooded; same thing happened to her father.
- Luscious made the suit for BATMAN. The son took the suit. Not really any time (or any one) to change out the logo. 😅
- That lady who came after Talia at the end was implied to be involved with Faux-mian
The editor was on another level with this one.
IT'S THE BAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
even the editor knows lmaoooo
"She's different she really wasn't like this before" is a pretty good way to sum up Thalia's character in general she pretty frequently flips from morally gray to straight up evil and is mostly just evil when it comes to Damian or at the very least just a terrible mom.
The movie is a mixed bag. Talia change was never explained that well.
Today years old when I realised Alfred is Avatar Roku
13:18 just as I thought it was safe to go up the stairs. You, hit me with this. For shame. I am now crippled! Thy jokes are actually hurting me 😂
The start of Batman Inc. the bat family: Batman, Robin, Nightwing, Batgirl, Batwoman, Batwing, Red Robin, The Red Hood, Alfred and MANY others.
Originally Batwoman (Kathy Kane) existed before Batgirl and she wasnt Batman's cousin and was written to be his love interest to deflect allegations of Batman and Robin being gay. This version a long with other elements of Earth one got wiped out of existence after the Crisis event. Then came Barbara Gordon's Batgirl around the Bronze age based off the character created for the Adam West tv series. Another continuinty changing event happen with Infinite Crisis and this new Batwoman introduced.but the old Batwoman brought back into continuity but retcconned with the maiden name Webb. This version married Bruce's uncle on his mom side but he died and she got recruited into some spy organization and created her superheroine identity of Batwoman to gain his trust and spy on him.
I was playing along and forgot batwoman wasnt batgirl😂
Yeah Talia is DC's Mary Jane Watson. She's meant to be God-like beautiful. Talia has an exotic featured Beauty that just eclipses all other woman. And Mary Jane is just perfect in every way (aesthetically speaking). That was just ONE of the reasons Marvel introduced her with the best line ever given.
In the comics Aunt May had been trying to get Peter go ask out her best friend's niece on a date and Peter kept having Spidey things to do. Then one day he answers the door to see Mary Jane standing there and seeing his stunned expression she says "Face it Tiger; You just hit the Jackpot." with a kind of "I'm really Hot right?" expression. Jean Grey (in the late 90's early 2000's) was drawn with very similar feature to Mary Jane making them difficult to tell apart.
Kate Kane is batwoman and one of the best characters DC one of the first openly lesbian characters. She of her own volition and training does what she feels necessary and as it's military training firearms are on the table if necessary. Batgirl is commissioner Gordon daughter and a whole other long comment worth of awesome
Took me all this time to realize Alfred's voiced by Avatar Roku in these
Can’t wait till the next movie that’s when it really gets good
Cant wait for them to get to Doom
I thought the did that one.
"Justice League: Doom" is NOT part of this New 52 Continuity, but IS one of My Favorites and I'd Recommend it too!👍
@@Uatu-the-Watcher Nah they did War but havent gotten to doom yet
@@00nobody001justice league doom is not apart of the DCAMU. So it will not be apart of what they are watching
@@tomhoffman4330 oh I thought they were just doing DC animated movies I didnt know there was a specific timeline or continuity. Thanks for letting me know!
4:30 lol Editor on point! hahaha
FYI : the guy with the hat, is a new version of the MAD HATTER
14:05 note this is kinda thing in the comics. talia literally got clones of damian where if damian got badly hurt like organs damamged then she would harvest the organs of the clones and put into her son to heal him + make him stronger. and to add yeah talia character git moe bat@#! crazier by the early 2000s dc comics.
That's the fun of Damien. He's SUPPOSED to a brat you don't like.
Don't think you seen Judas Contract but there's a line where someone asked where Damien was and the response was "I kicked the shit out of him for being mouthy.. come on I know you've all had the urge." And as the audience we get it because it's who Damien is.
So don't worry, Jen. It's okay to not like him. You're in great company.
NGL, this one actually 'Hurt My Head' to watch🤕Y'all REALLY Need to Learn more about some of these Characters! I'll forgive Your "Honest-Abe / Leprechaun" remarks because THAT Character was supposed to be "The Mad Hatter"🤷♂but even IDK what they were thinking with Him! (LOL) Hopefully You'll Enjoy the Next Movie more / better...🤞
Trust me it gets better and better down the road to the finale
Being completely honest this is not my favorite DCAMU movie eather, but the ones coming after this one are each better than the last
The reason why they use the bat symbol is because of the meaning behind it, if you're a villain it installs fear and if you're a victim it lets you know that everything is gonna be okay because the bat is here to save the day. That's why they use the bat symbol even if they don't agree with Batman's ways
I just want to say that Luke Fox Batwing is a pretty solid Character. I definitely recommend his New 52 comic series. It's a fun read. I haven't read much of the Batwing before him but I've heard his character's run is pretty good also.
If only he were interesting or developed in this movie
New Holden Hardman DC video just dropped I woke up and I have a Modelo Chelada beer to watch it with good times I wonder what Jen is going to think about this one
This Talia is the real Talia, what you have seen of her before is just her acting to get what she wants
Hey it’s my favorite Mexican youtuber and his American wife
The Bat Family can be confusing. Batwoman is Kate Kane, and Batgirl is Barbara Gordon. Though I think Batwoman (Kate Kane) is retired from vigilante work (or dead). I don't know to much about her. I've seen her in another animated movie I think it was called "Batman Mystery Of Batwoman" or something like that I don't remember it very well. I think I remember reading about her dating Batman for a while in the comics too.
Lets not get into the second (Stephanie Brown) and third (Cassandra Cain) Batgirls. Who are Batgirls in the Bat Family at the same time as Barbara in the comics.
There is also 2 active Robins in the comics. Tim Drake (3rd Robin) and Damian (5th Robin). There was a time where Dick was Batman for a while and was working with Damien as his Robin (Dick was apparently a better mentor for Damian and because of their time together Dick is his prefered partner). 2nd Robin was Jason Todd (who is now Red Hood which is the Bat Families equivalent to Punisher.
Stephanie Brown (2nd Batgirl) used to be the 4th Robin before she got fired by Batman, then Barbara gave her her old Batgirl suit (during the time Barbara was still paralysed from the waist down. Her spine got fixed by experimental Wayne Tech Nano bots and then she went back to being Batgirl)
Catwoman is considered to be part of the Bat Family, and Harley Quinn is the most recent member of the Bat Family.
That's the extent of my knowledge of the Bat Family.
Also the character you thought was based on Abe Lincoln is actually the Mad Hatter he's a Batman villain who specialises in mind control (He thinks he's the Mad Hatter from Alice in Wonderland).
Also with the brainwashed Batman, he was brainwashed before Damien saved him (that's the Mad Hatter had was doing to him). Canonically Batman has trained his body and mind to the peak of human limits. This makes him much harder to mind control than most people. This also allows him to resist poisons and Hallucinogens (like the Scarecrow uses).
Also how Kate and Dick knew each other they said in the film when he revealed his identity to Kate. Apparently they went to High School with each other, and Dick mentions he used to have a crush on her in High School.
Batman the long Halloween 1 and 2 are great movies. It really captures more on the detective side of batman these movies are completely separate from the other batman movies you have watched but it still great nevertheless.
NGL you should rewatch this after reading the comments
Yall didn’t know anything, not even Mad Hatter (who was in the Arkham Games btw). Subtitles could help to as they say names sometimes 😅
"The Batfamily"
While most of the live action films focus on Batman as, mostly, a lonely fighter (who seeks to inspire other people into doing the right thing); for years the comics have explored that Batman can't control what he inspires, so (over the years) other people have found the inspiration to wear a costume and kick criminal ass XD.
For better or worse, it's also implied that Gotham (and, by extension) crime is so big one Batman is not enough to keep all over the top shenaningans at bay, so... there are additions to the Batfamily, even those that don't belong to the Batfamily (Batgirl being one of those examples). They rarely get adapted, because that would mean a rooster of almost two dozen people.
Batwoman and Batwing are one of the latest additions ("latest" in the sense they were added in the past couple years, and their popularity kept them around, rather than being just one time characters).
"Batwoman"
In the comics, Batwoman and Batgirl are two separate people (thus the reason she appears at the end of the film); most of her story is directly from the comics (kidnapped, tragic rescue that ends in the death of her sister, going into a life of party until Batman gives some inspiration to find a way in life)... Dick and Kate got to know each other in different occasions because Batwoman is, incidentally, Bruce's niece (on his mother's side) and one of the wealthiest women in Gotham (so Dick and Kate may have shared social circles while Dick was living under Bruce's roof).
Jen may love some of the extended story of Kate, she doesn't only come from a military family; she once tried to join the military herself, but was forced to step down after a romatic interested spiraled out of control into a harassment accusation that got her kicked out of the military (the disappointment with life here was the thing that made her take on a life of party... until she found an alternative way to become a "public servant").
So, her approach to the Batman method comes from her military training and views of how crime should be handled. Fun fact: Damian and Kate are not the only members of the Batfamily willing to rough, maim or kill criminals XD.
Also, the cop she talks to in the bar, and later in the family dinner would be the very first DCAU adaptation of one of our favorite Gotham's Finest (GCPD) chatacters: Renee Montoya (another character created for the old animated series that, eventually jumped to the comics, but in a more discreete manner than Harley Quinn).
"Batwing"
Originally, Batwing is not the son of Lucius Fox; but rather an international character introduced in an arch called "Batman Inc.". In it, Bruce Wayne realizes his dream of inspiring and helping people may have fallen a bit short by just focusing in one city; and just focusing in the Batman persona.
What he does next is to publicly recognize Waynetech may have developed some tools for Batman, or based some designs around the tools he uses; and that's willing to share them with other crime fighters around the world to fight for justice, effectively making "The Batman" a franchise. Batwing is the Batman from Congo: David Zavimbe.
Later on, though, when DC apparently decided to take all Batman things back to US soil, Zavimbe stepped down from the role and Luke Fox took over the role and suit of Batwing (and, in the current continuity, pretty much Zavimbe never existed... but they kept the character XD).
"Abraham Lincoln!"
Not quite, although he picked an interesting hat for this film XD. That's Jarvis Tetch, The Mad Hatter; a man obssesed with mind control and Alice in Wonderland (from where he took the character, and his modus operandi: mind control through hats or other head worn devices).
"Talia"
Actually... XD; just kidding, but there is a thing to keep in mind: Talia in this film acts as Talia should have acted from the start; while Talia loves Batman (to some degree), she has her father's teachings ingrained in her a lot, so her main goal is (and will always be) to rule the League of Shadows, and control the world to make it a better place (with Batman at her side... one way or the other).
In the original storyline of Batman and Son, while she had some emotional development, her resurrection in The Lazarus Pit "cured" her of those emotional attachments and, while it left open the idea she could re learn them, she was pretty much back into the mindset of "the daughter of Ra's al Ghul", bent on to fullfilling her legacy and the dreams of her father (and anyone trying to stop her, was a liability, including her son). So, when Batman and Damian meet her again in this; she is pretty much cold, detached and using Batman to further a plan of world domination.
It's generally understood that, while Talia may have the capacity to construct genuine human bonds with people outside The League, she is not willing/capable to give up her father's teachings and will always be the tragic love interest/foe of Batman (I guess that's why they decided not to invest a lot to give that context, in an already packed film; this tried to adapt A WHOLE RUN of comics rather, than one collected story... and they didn't consider maybe making this story a two parter).
Nice reaction, see you in the next one.
W for the editor lmao.
There is film tied to the original animated series that came out in the early 2000 or very late 90s called Mystery of the Batwoman and it was my first experience with the character. As far as I know, there were several characters that took up the mantle of Batwoman Kate Cane is probably the most prevalent as she has been the character the longest. How the hell did you not know Batgirl and Batwoman are two different characters?
The average person definitely has no idea those are two different characters
I haven’t seen this since it came out, but I had no idea at the time that it’s just a shitty amalgamation of Grant Morrison’s Batman stories lol
“We finally see Batgirl!”
Yeah, enjoy that 5 seconds. You’ll never see her again.
I’ve always liked the Bat-family, but I agree they kind of crammed what they could in this movie. It was done better in the comics.
Onyx had the craziest scream
BAD BLOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!
The best Batgirl is in the Animated series, when she makes her debut.
Btw Holden, Barbara is BATGIRL and not the only one haha There’s also Stephanie Brown and Cassandra Cain
Just wondering do yall plan to watch S4 of the boys any time soon?
I don't know why more people don't react to this show but I highly recommend Superman & Lois. It's hands down the best live action adaptation of Superman. It does more justice to his character than any of the movies did. You'll fall in love with Tyler Hoechlin's Superman very quickly. He's everything the DCEU version should've been. Batman: Mask of the Phantasm and Superman vs the Elite are really good too if you want good DC animated movies. There's also the DCAU which is very good as well. Batman: The Animated Series is the definitive adaptation of Batman.
Guys, c'mon, just watch your first anime already.
I know alot of people have said it but Kate Kane is Batwoman and Barbra Gordon is Batgirl also I think they mention it very breifly in the movie but they know Kate Kane because her and Bruce are cousins in every media
18:25 Yup, a big collection of Bat people. Like a full on company of Batmen.
A real Batman Incorporated. ;)
Batgirl is considerably more likeable than Batwoman ever was. Batwoman just seems like a fanfiction insert.