Inside Knowledge of Ancient Egypt, The Temple, and The Book of Abraham
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Scholar Bruce H. Porter has a wealth of knowledge and first-hand experience. We discuss what he has experienced in the temples of Egypt, how our own temple experience is found there, plus some inside baseball on the mummies, the papyri, and the Book of Abraham.
How did the ancient Egyptians get the temple rites? What is the Egyptian "Ritual Embrace?" Where exactly did the mummies and papyri used for the Book of Abraham come from?
If you like gospel knowledge, watch this.
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Did I listen to this two times? Absolutely. Will I listen to it again? Absolutely. There is so much here that makes temple worship more meaningful.
Share it out, too... hahaha, this was really exciting to my soul. I'll more than likely watch it a few times myself. 😁😇🥰
Bruce Porter is great. He has an app called seer stone which is so worth it. His books are good too.
Absolutely!!! 😂❤
You worship the temple? Are you not supposed to worship Christ? Hmm.
@Luke Temple worship means worshipping God in a ver sacred place. Jesus went there all the time.
Thank you. I've ben a member for 53 years (I'm a former Baptist minister and 85 years of age). This conversation taught me a lot and the Holy Spirit confirmed to me that it is True.
Wow, I was just wondering today if any pastor or minister ever gave up the money they were making and converted to the church.
I would have a lot of respect for any pastor 6 up the way they made money and joined the church.
Some videos are good and they make you feel good. Others are better and they make you feel better. This type of Cwic video almost always leaves me feeling enlightened. This, was enlightening. Thank you Cwic!
Very glad to hear!
I agree, friend!
Good guest!!
Invite him again?
Love this stuff! I wish I had heard of Bruce Porter before my wife and I visited Egypt. It was at the temple of Karnak that I first noticed that Egyptian religion and especially their temples were heavily influenced by God's priesthood. We found an Egyptian woman who was in front of the temple asking tourists if they wanted a cheap guide explain some things in the temple for us. When she showed us the Holy of Holies, she talked about the symbols on the walls and what they meant. I was shocked at how familiar some of those things were to me. It makes me want to go back and see more of Egypt
Why are they found in Egypt? Weren't the Egyptians pagans and not Christians.
I'm honestly wondering, not just trying to stir the pot.
@@DaGolfViking You can explain the similarities by use of a religious diffusionism theory. That the truth began somewhere (Adam and Eve) and was passed down in different ways to different peoples. Eventually these truths evolved and oral traditions became a bit messy. Some truths are lost, some truths are embellished or outright changed. but you still have a lot of the main ideas that stay preserved. A good example of this is the flood myth that is found in the belief systems of nearly every ancient civilization. The same one we find in the bible with Noah. So it is not surprising that the Egyptian religion and christian/jewish religion would have quite a bit of overlap given the proximity of their early development in the middle east.
However, if you are LDS and have read the pearl of great price (specifically the book of Abraham), you can get quite specific on where exactly this knowledge came from and why.
Abraham 1:25-27
25 Now the first government of Egypt was established by Pharaoh, the eldest son of Egyptus, the daughter of Ham, and it was after the manner of the government of Ham, which was patriarchal.
26 Pharaoh, being a righteous man, established his kingdom and judged his people wisely and justly all his days, seeking earnestly to imitate that order established by the fathers in the first generations, in the days of the first patriarchal reign, even in the reign of Adam, and also of Noah, his father, who blessed him with the blessings of the earth, and with the blessings of wisdom, but cursed him as pertaining to the Priesthood.
27 Now, Pharaoh being of that lineage by which he could not have the right of Priesthood, notwithstanding the Pharaohs would fain claim it from Noah, through Ham, therefore my father was led away by their idolatry;
I saw some of these things in Egyptian temples. I had an Egyptian woman who was also muslim and who knew nothing about me or my beliefs describe the meanings on the walls in the holy of holies. It was so interesting to hear her say things that I have only heard in regard to LDS temple worship. This was before I knew about any of the work done by Hugh Nibley or Bruce Porter.
Wow Bruce has blown my mind like 25 times already and I’m only 20 minutes into this video. I need to hang out with these guys!!!
My wife and I did a Mediterranean cruise back in 2010 through LDS Travel. Bruce was on that cruise and spoke about Egypt while we were at sea. Egypt was fascinating and it was such a treat to have Bruce with us. The trip of a lifetime. Greg you're in for a treat.
I really appreciate this talk. I have always felt the gospel was in all religions in some form and Bruce explains it in such a clear manner! Thank you!
Thank you so much for this excellent presentation! Also thanks to Bruce Porter and his scholarly knowledge and his research and his sharing and how it connects and testifies so beautifully of our temples. Hope you can have him as your guest again. 😊
I had taken an institute class at USU years ago on the Pearl of Great Price and we talked a lot about how Egypt taught about the temple. I loved it so much I took the class twice. It was before I received my endowment. I loved it and it really opens your eyes to the gospel in ancient history all around you.
what books can I read to now more about this matriarch patriarch formula?
Joseph sure was a good guesser
My brain is in awe. Hearing the rich detail and origins of our covenants is wonderful.
Christianity, the church of Jesus Christ, true religion, on earth started with Adam and Eve. Christianity is the oldest religion on earth. We latter day saints know that the gospel of Christ started in the Council of Heaven. One can also see the temple, practices, teachings, and worship can be seen once Adam and Eve left the garden in Adam ondi Ahman, and then Mesopotamia, and then Egypt. Been listening to Bruce for years, great stuff. Would love to take one of his tours. Thanks. Was wondering if you would ever have Bruce on.
Man, how fun I'm jelly. What a religion we have that Joseph literally pulled out of his hat. I love it with all my heart.
NOT OUT OF A HAT.
Thank you for having Bruce on your show. This was fascinating!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I have watched this a couple of times today! And shared it with several people. This was fascinating! Thank you!! I can only imagine that this pod cast just scratched the surface. What an incredible and enlightening experience it would be to go on Mr. Porter's tour of the Nile/Egypt!!!
Thank you, Greg, for having Bruce on. It was so uplifting and faith promoting. How incredible is our temple Endowmentr. This was so faith promoting for me. I have been struggling lately and was the medicine I needed. Thank you again. I have no words to tell you how grateful I am for this presentation. God Bless!!
I'm 68 and have been a church member my entire life. I started having a fascination with Egypt back in the mid 1990's. I could never get enough and I found myself always looking for the connections between church doctrine and what had been discovered in Egypt. I always found it humorous for the expert Egyptologists in their documentaries to try and explain all the religious symbology found at these sites, especially the pyramids. If you look at it with the eye of church doctrine and temple worship its obvious what all of this was for. And what the Egyptians wanted to accomplish.
I love listening to Brother Porter! Thanks Greg ♥️
Bruce is great. I have the great privilege to tap into his mind from time to time.
Where else can I hear him?
@@tiffanyseavy565 www.youtube.com/@bruceporter6457/playlists
I could listen to hours of this stuff
Me too!
Me too and I drive a lot so I get to 😂! I love this stuff.
Same!
Mind blown!!!! I've listened three times and getting ready for a fourth!!! So fascinating!!! Thank you Greg!!! And Bruce!!! ❤❤❤
Wow. I’m going to have to listen to this a second (and maybe third) time! What a wealth of knowledge!
This is AWESOME!
It even explains ritual burials and the use of headstones.
More Bruce Porter interviews!!!!
Awesome and mindblowing in the best way! By the way, hey Greg, you promised an episode about the British royal coronation, remember? Looking forward to that one now that it actually has taken place. Cheers from Sweden!
Coming!
Wonderful. Thank you. I was in Egypt almost 45 years ago. This was illuminating.
We joined Bruce Porter on a church history tour 2 years ago. He is amazingly educated about the gospel. What a trip yours will be!
These are the days of the restorations of all things. The last of Abraham's children born on this planet are the first to receive all thing. The first ones will be last to receive their temple ordinances. Searching out our dead is so meaningful.
We have friends whose friends (non lds at the time) were married in India during which the ceremony was videotaped. They offered our friends to watch their wedding video .. which they did; and were amazed that the India wedding ceremony was exactly as our lds temple ceremony with one exception the their whole body was washed with oil .... hmm .. is that why some people from India often bathe in oil? Fantastic episode !!!
I don't know what to say but just AWESOME!
Thank you so very much for this episode, and to you both. Just finished listening for the third time. Fingers crossed you will do more on this subject.
For sure.
Wow. All I can say is "thank you". Heavenly Father knows. =)
Listening to it for the third time. Shared with a ton of friends and family!
Great show! Very inspiring, and I felt a connection with Adam and Eve!
Thanks for the excellent faith promoting content, Greg!
This was great! So interesting! I learned so much and I think I’ll have to listen to this again.
Our family toured temple ruins in the Yucatan peninsula At Ek' Balam on the highest level of the temple were carvings of temple signs and tokens.
The little we have in the book of Abraham and Moses proves Joseph Smith was a true prophet instead of the contrary. Naysayers and scoffers haven't fully done their homework.
Right. They have seen the papyrus and found the book of Abraham to be complete nonsense.
@@mss3834 time is proving your statement to be absolutely incorrect. There is more truth in Moses and Abraham and More to come.
You do know the book of Abraham that Joseph Smith translated didn't have one single word correct dint you? Turns out it was a Egyptian funeral scroll. You can Google that.
@@Greg-McIver
Google it. But not one word was correctly translated. It was actual an Egyptian funeral scroll. It's a proven fact.
@@camille11ize did you realize the book of Abraham was over 29 feet of a scroll? It wasn't what you are being told. Joseph was a true prophet.
My goodness!! I've read Hugh Nibley's writings, then learned his work has been supplanted , now I understand how that could be. Many thanks to both Brother Porter and for Brother Madsen for bringing this treasure to light for the public. Can't thank you enough. Thank you.
Super interesting title. Had to click right away.
One of my all-time favorite episodes! Thank you!
More on this topic this week with Bruce!
Amazing. This could be a wonderful documentary with video and photos. Can't wait for the tour!
Love info like this! Great guest, great episode.
I love Bruce Porter. He is a scholar a good man.
This is amazing stuff. I'll be listening again. Great episode.
THANK YOU for this Wonderful podcast ! Love to hear more !!!
Great episode! Need to watch this again and again. There’s a lot mentioned in here.
I've watched this I think 2x. I've listened to the podcast I think 4x. This was awesome, and I mean AWESOME.
THIS. IS. AWESOME.
Dang this is really cool info! Thanks for having Bruce Porter on to discuss this.
I started this video when it first came out, but wasn't ready for it until I first read the Ricks and Baker book "Who Shall Ascend Into the Hill of the Lord". Coming back to it now and I wish it was longer! Learning more about the temple, Priesthood, and its ancient history has me continually in awe at what the Lord has given us in these latter days.
I see the Rick and Baker book as an important, connecting work to the temple. I wish more people would read it.
This is all just truly fascinating! Thank you Greg. I'm going to have to rewind to get the book names and authors. How exciting all of this is! 😇🥰
I love these videos! It’s great to hear an expounding of knowledge 😁
What a wonderful video, thank you! So much powerful information.
Fascinating information! I'm going to have to watch this a couple more times and take notes.
Finally we meet him!!! As it's said, the woman chooses the Pharoah. Just makes one love The Lords scriptures so nicely
Thank you Brother for all you do can't wait to dive into this ✌️
Loved it! Thanks. Also thanks for introducing Bruce so I can find more of his teaching.
Bruce is great!
Fascinating. Thank you so much for sharing ❤
To the critics. The Egyptologists have been debunked. You're supposed to compare the characters to the Book of Abraham, not the characters to the explanation.
Yes!! Let’s goooo
Fascinating episode Greg & Bruce. Got me thinking about lost ancient scripture to come forth in the last days. Why not lost or buried records of an original religion from the lands of Egypt or Mesopotamia?
I love that he explains that Joseph was given the meaning of the papyri not the translation
Loved it! Thank you.
Bruce Porter was my seminary teacher years ago. I wish I could get a hold of him. I love his videos.
This reminds me of Herald camping interpreting everything to support his ideas
Wonderful! Thank you Bruce & Greg
You’re welcome.
This is what I have always thought, and when Egyptus found a land which was still underwater, the advanced buildings we now find in ancient Egypt, the amazing possibly laser cut stone, I have felt these were just covered by the flood, then the water receeded and she found a city possibly, the prediluvians were advanced.. Just a thought.
Was that spot today where the Sphinx is, the same "island" where the waters first receeded?
If taken with what Michael Rush has posited it seems very likely that that's what happened. I personally believe this as well. The pyramids post-flood were ruined as to their original purpose but repurposed as religious temples when Egyptus arrived after the waters receded.
Your discussion on Egypt and temples has been helpful.
A deep dive into the progression of Jacob into Israel is a personal study project. Strangely, perhaps not, is similarity between Leah and the goddess Hathor. Leah’s name related to wild cow (auroch) with Hathor linked to cows. Certain aspects of Hathor if you consider Leah I with that lens make sense to her role and why Laban arranges that marriage first.
The cow as a clean animal. A ruminant, to ruminate.
Hathor’s connection to the Pleiades stars. Etc.
Much to chew the cud on.
I just wish that these principles were brought to the General Conference. Whe LDS world waits for the General Conference to receive truth and inspiration. These isolated talks aren't known by the majority of the members even here in UT. I was born raised and converted to the LDS church in Brazil, and I know the members are waiting for a strong response from the brethren members of the twelve and líderes representatives for their respective areas in the world. It's too little to late what the leaders are doing to guide the members. That poor young woman got no relevant answer for her questions by this Elder Oaks talk. Unfortunately, I already lost a worth grandson who attended the temple every Friday for baptism for dead because to go to MTC, he would need to be vaccinated because he was expecting the LÍDERES to talk and emphasize about chastity and marriage between man and women. 😢
This was amazing. Thank you.
This was fascinating! So awesome. There is so much objective proof out there that the Gospel is true. The plan of salvation is true. Those who seek it, will find it. Those who seek for things against His Church and/or trying to prove God doesn’t exist will find it.
The skeptics often say Biblical stories come from traditions in previous civilizations. When really it's the other way around. The gospel concepts were taught from the beginning, and those civilizations got those ideas from the gospel.
Absolutely love this!
I love All this so much to glean just from this video thank you for posting it. It is fascinating that the Papyri were found near the Temple of Hatshepsut The Queen of Sheba!- according to Immanuel Velikovsky in his book Ages of Chaos vol 1 from Exodus to Akhanton.
I have 3 books o Velikoskvy (sp) .. tremendous insight
Great interview
This knocks my socks off ❤❤❤
Enjoyed the video thankyou
You’re welcome
I like this so much I will watch it again. Thank you. Love the expertise
You're welcome
Very informative ❤
This stuff is absolutely fascinating!
Agreed!
Thank you so much Bruce for the excellent way in which you took the time to explain so much. As having been a student of Anthopology and Sociology I am so curious about who knew what in Ancient times. My curiosity of Abraham s religion and how he was in Egypt. Its excellent for you to share all you know . I really appreciate what I have learned from you today. Thank you Cwuc for including Bruce.
What a great video!
Thanks
Great information. Thank you!!!
That’s a fascinating perspective! “Not direct translations” and “not called translations”
It really gives a sense of just how deep these waters are😮.
Joseph didn’t give meanings for either himself or us, but for Abraham!
What is there more in these scriptures for US!?!
I have had some amazing revelation regarding Egyptian symbologies connection to divine truth so I love this.
The ancient cultures (including Egyptian temples) also elude to the watchers, nephilim and giants which are mentioned multiple times in the scriptures and are clearly depicted by all indigenous tribes worldwide. Would you address this subject matter?
Bruce is awesome!
It seems -- to know the covenant people of that time, you have to know all of their neighbors too.
The context adds meaning.
Josephus wrote that Noah lived with Ham in Egypt, this information about the Temple make sense to me since Noah would’ve known about it.
Good stuff!
Unbelievable, praise God for the Restoration
Excellent.
We're going to Egypt in October!! So excited!! And I'm looking forward to the temple that the Lord commands to be built in the top of the mountains.
Update unfortunately, due to the genocide in Gaza, our trip was canceled. We'll go another time, God-willing.
Greg - very fascinating. Thanks. 🙏
You’re welcome
Great stuff. Have any of you listened to The Ancient Tradition podcast? There are some great episodes on the temple and the coronation as well as a lot of other great insights.. Some pretty amazing insights. Totally recommend.
2:35 Joseph Campbell's book "The Hero with a Thousand Faces". Luke Skywalker, Frodo Baggins, Harry Potter, Mormon, Moses and indeed Jesus all follow an established pattern of story telling since ancient times.
9:15 A Matralineal Patriarchy: The Matriarch chooses the next Patriarch.
12:08 Apostasy of the grandsons of Ham who perverted and used the temple rites to exercise compulsion over humankind. Inheritance: The temple blessings make sons of God out of ALL those who are worthy.
15:44 Our Holy Temple makes everyone who is worthy a "First-born of God."
26:40 Shabaka or Shabaqo stone
is "the oldest written record of human thought" in the world, a temple drama * of the pre-earth council about the creation of the world and who would be chosen to be the God of this world.
* it's written out as a play.
40:42. The concept of:
Atonement = ritual embrace = the garment
50:08. Locating a will The Church has been interested in for 150 years !
57:43. Historical length of the blessing.
Really great stuff! This brought some things to light in the temple ordinances we perform, and that it is with the proper authority.
One thing that came to my mind was the authority of the sons of Noah. The tower of Babel came from one of the sons lack of authority attempting to get to city of Enoch/heaven by another way.
This my first time on Cwic. I almost didn't cllick on this channel because you look like Miami cartel😅. Threw me for a second there.
Cool stuff
Can we get those book references? This was an amazing podcast!!
It is fascinating the possible Masonic connection with Chanderler as well - I love all the Mosonic connections with the gospel restoration many people in & out of the Church do not understand it, If we believe the book of Abraham & the things therein written then we will also understand that That first Pharoah was blessed by his grandfather Noah with Wisdom & the Blessing of the Earth. Wow, what a blessing that was Yet he was cursed as to obtain the Priesthood Yet he fain claim to it. I love that the first Pharoah was a righteous man & sought to imitate the Priesthood. There is as the scriptures say a wise purpose in the things the Lord does -My thoughts are not Your Thoughts & my ways are not Your ways!