Greyscale Virus (Game of Thrones Explored)
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- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- Greyscale is a disease featured in the Game of Thrones novels and television series developed by HBO. It essentially turns infected flesh to rot and become stiff, causing the skin to turn mottled black and grey.
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This was brilliant, good job!
Thanks Megan! And thank you for the suggestion :)
No problem, good sir.
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Jorah shaking Sam's hand speaks incredible volumes. Love that scene.
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This scene never fails to give me goosebumps
Sam is an amazing chara
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@@artdeguzman4617 Because if there was any greyscale left in Jorah, yet would infect Sam. It shows their confidence in each other that Sam performed an impossible task.
What if someone modified the Greyscale Virus so that it would be more compatible with the human body, turning the skin into a type of secondary biological armor?
I rather doubt they have that ability
Yeah, that would be impossible given that this takes place before the Scientific Revolution.
I don’t think magic prowess translates well into microbiology... Or does it? To be honest, I don’t watch “Game of Thrones”, so I don’t know the extent of magic within the show’s universe.
Space Case good idea but I would find a scaly armor fused to my skin very inconvenient
Well, I’d expect that type of biological armor would be predominantly reserved for elite military units, not to be haphazardly spread throughout a population.
Stannis..... is the one true king. But GoT dead ass killed him off haha. He was actually a great man in the book, the show made him seem weak and desperate.
Mahogany MaggieSlayer apparently he's going to burn his daughter in the upcoming book,
Yeah that's because the t.v shows are a bit shit.
I seriously hope not because in the books he goes out of his way to prevent any burnings from happening, even to his enemies or prisoners.
In the books he's a religious zealot ready to burn his nephew and kill his brother. He is far from great. I see him more as a puppet.
Morgan Turner Selyse is the religious zealot in the family. And Stannis is a lot funnier and merciful in the books.
"The key to stopping the disease from spreading was immediate treatment" Holy crap, these healers in GOT are genius, treating a disease will prevent its spread, who would have known?
Dude, back in the days doctors thought it would be a good idea to take blood from an ill person and theyll be healed by it. Many people died because of this
@@TheMusicLauncher that's true for GoT as well. Roose Bolton in the books gets his blood leeched fairly often. I can't remember if the show included that in his character or not
@@Free_Krazy you never really know though. In 100 years who knows what medical practices used today will be seen in the same light as lobotomies and leechings
Not Christians in the 1500s
lmcdoug23 medical technology will always increase but the biggest jump in history is the introduction of penicillin. Before that death rates were huge and small cuts resulted in lost limbs. Within 100 years we have went from cutting arms off to treat bacteria infections to growing organs. Humanities history has only gotten to a high quality in the last 60 years, beforehand the only people with luxuries would be today’s multimillionaires, and no amount of money could save you from polio or some other disease
Wouldn't be surprised if Greyscale was inspired by real world eczema. I used to have it so bad on my hands when I was a kid that they would crack and bleed.
Interesting to hear about, I had, and still have eczema on parts of my legs and pretty badly on my hands in the finger area. I don't recall any bleeding but my hands and some of the worst areas (my ankles) are cracked beyond belief.
I still have eczema and my knee used to be horrible, it used to look like scales, it would crack and bleed often, it got to the point where scale like chips of my skin would fall off when I scratched.
Actually, this is a real disease, no cure. Only a handful of people on the entire planet has it.
Had it as a kid. Wet/gross cracking behind the ears and behind the knees.
Nope, it is not grey, not contagious, not fatal. I think you are dumb.
“I’m slightly hungover. Recovering from a wedding party”
Lmaooo
Lmao I love your confession in the beginning of the video great vid bro
Carlos Bonilla my boy boozes
+Carlos Bonilla was just about to comment on that, cool as you like xD
The unusual skin growth could I guess be compared to the warts induced by HPV, but I still think it's a fungus though, and not a virus.
Ryan W considering the slow speed and the fact that it isn't causing massive die offs?
Jacob Freeman Many fungal infections progress very slowly and aren't very contagious
Yea but HPV doesn’t drive people insane, it's kind of a mix of syphilis and small pox.
@@ryan94589 and this is... highly
Highly doubt it’s a fungus. I believe much of the land vertebrates are too complex for an outright deadly fungus attack unless the body is immunodeficient. Also, no mention of fruiting spore-producing bodies are noted, which fungi have. You could make an argument for yeast, but even then it’s highly doubtful, for while there are pathogenic yeast out there, they really don’t have the virulence to take down a healthy strong vertebrate bigger than a mouse, and those that have usually have done so in a previously-sick or immunocompromised host as a secondary infection.
About the unusual skin growth: That is difficult to determine, since pretty much any disease-causing agent or even stress can cause that to a degree.
Out of the pathogenic agents, bacteria are the deadliest on average (and out of all common-denominator diseases like meningitis or pneumonia, which can be caused by the 3 main groups, bacteria prove to be the most dangerous). Viruses prove to be the most spreadable and perhaps virulent on average. However, fungi tend to be the most opportunistic of the three, and that is their strongpoint; which is why serious fungal diseases are far more often caused by a secondary or opportunistic infection.
Bacteria, on average are more difficult to transmit than a virus, especially by direct contact, and many “contagious” bacteria are not easily spread by direct contact; rather they depend on either a vector or indirect fluid contact in order to spread. Viruses on average are much easier spread through direct contact, some viruses taking a mere touch of a person to spread. Fungi can be easily spread as well, though should it come across a healthy person with a healthy immune system and beneficial bacterial flora, the fungus would have little chance to flourish itself. Of course there are minor infections like Athlete’s Foot that can be scary-easy to spread, but that’s a different ball game due to the lack of seriousness in a usual Athlete’s Foot or similar infection.
Another thing to note is that bacteria tend to come as micro-predators and would-be conquerors. They are even spiteful enough to release toxins to kill off surrounding cells so they can take over themselves, and that is what makes them so deadly. Viruses and much of the disease-causing fungi in large vertebrates, on the other hand, are merely parasitic and completely depend on the host for survival and reproduction. Perhaps that’s one reason why most virus and fungal infections are not (immediately) deadly, since if the host dies, so do they.
It seems to me that greyscale is most likely a virus because of the virulence factor, the pace, the long life expectancy of the victim, and how easy it is to spread around. The disease is spread by mere contact, singling out bacteria, and the rapid pace of spreading and sheer virulence in a large vertebrate takes fungi out of the picture. As with the long life expectancy, while a few pathogenic bacteria can pull it off, like lyme disease, usually it’s the fungus or virus that pull this off, one way or another. In this case, it could be either, but this would be the only argument fungi would have, and even then with a disease as serious and spread out like this there would have to be some mycelium seen somewhere. Even this said, fungi pretty much loses out to the virus in much of the other factors. My thought is a virus
If greyscale infects the internal organs as well as the skin, what good does it do to just remove the infected skin?
Even if you did that, wouldn't it just return to the skin because the organs are infected as well?
They treat greyscale on the show like some kind of leprosy here.
In a lot of ways the grayscale plague looks a lot like a fungal infection of a very severe variety. Given that so many things in Game of Thrones and A Song of Ice and Fire are basically wrapped up fantasy versions of real-world things it's not impossible to imagine that would be an especially Insidious and contagious fungal infection. It would definitely be more reasonable to think that a topical cure would be possible for a fungus than it would be for a virus.
Mike Vasquez no spores or fruits are ever mentioned so it’s highly unlikely it’s fungal
Maybe bacterial
Seems like a version of leprosy. In Bible times those with leprosy were cast off to die over many years in the outskirts of towns and touching it was how it was spread. You were deemed less than human the more leprosy advanced, kind of like grayscale. Leprosy also comes from the Greek word for scale
If you can do Greyscale's deadlier cousin, Grey Plague that'll be awesome mate. Thanks for all your videos and hard work.
I'll def add that to the list, thank you :)
He went from T-virus to Greyscale. Way to go Iain Glen.
And went from simping for Alice to Daenerys😂
If it only affected the skin and could somehow be stopped before killing an infected person, it could be used as a great bio-armor.
Geo Net interesting viewpoint
Geo Net except its easily cut off by a sword, so not really
Alucard well, pairing it with light armor would still work?
Star wars much
@@gauravchaudhari4572 not what I had in mind but yeah i guess it exists there too
Everyone in the first scene you used is dead.
I know mate. Shireens death is by far the saddest :(
And the second
Feel like there’s whole early episodes where this applies
I dont even watch got but this was interesting.
Same.But I like the lore and history of game of throns.
Dont
Same lol
@@tomba47 why?
Only a true man would just say “Sorry I’m slightly hungover...” on the internet, great job m8
Grey scale cause no pain, that is it's only mercy. It starts outside and move inward, it kills nerves.
Jorah seemed to be in terrible pain at the slightest touch.
The fact that jorah had every scale removed from his body just shows how much he loved daenerys
As I see it GreyScale is inspired from Leprosy. Specifically the untouchability, slow progression, incurable nature isolation of the diseased and deportation to designated villages. Though leprosy has changed now that treatment is available. Classical description of it highly correlates with Greyscale.
*Fire is also known to permanently cure Greyscale*
It worked with Shireen
Phew.. Good thing the virus didn't mutated and turned those infected in the later stage, into some form of stone golem zombies. Can you imagine a rockish version of the L4D Tank zombie?!?
well the later stages are insane and have armored skin so kinda zombies
You mean a bloater?
Keeping on the subject of _Game Of Thrones,_ it would be nice to see a video on the necromancy practiced by both the Night King (Ice-based) and the Red Priests (Fire-based). How is it invoked, what are its ultimate effects, etc?
I consider these videos a work of art , keep doing what your doing man and I hope your channel grows with you.
much appreciated andrew!
Hm... d'you think it would work if maggots would be introduced to the necrotic tissue, followed by a wash of hot water to soften the scab-like protrusions, and to pour very warm water as one scrapes off the greyscale?
I'm a doctor and I believe it would be.
This mothafucka might've just found a cure for the deadliest disease in GoT
So its just herpes gone rampant?
Jack Stevens more like leprosy but yeah lol.
Great video man! Keep up the good work!
thanks buddy!
I was eating sausage while watching this, I'm no longer eating sausage now...
Because of the grey scale or reek? 😂
😂😂😂🤦🏾♀️💀
I am eating porridge while watching this.
Because u ate it all
😂😂
Had my like at "I am slightly hung over"
I really love that you covered this, there is nothing else that rings potentially true but this disease, and the Game Of Thrones makes the best example of it
*is interested in the lore of A Song of Ice and Fire, but doesn't want spoilers. Then sees this video*
Me: this sounds interesting, and I doubt it has spoile-
Video: Ser Jorah gets greyscale.
Me: .....
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA that is so true same here
0:35 Daenarys: "Hey guys.."
The way you explained... Its like it's a real disease... Good job 👍🏽
Kind of similar to ichthyosis, which is a severe form of dry skin that can scale and darken in winter weather, and resists most over the counter moisturizing treatments. Except Ichthyosis isnt fatal, isn't contagious, and isnt rotting.
What if armies were to coat arrows in the stuff and use it as a bioweapon to cripple enemy soldiers long term
You'd risk infecting your own army
Admiral Mudkip it’s like what bronn said about loading wildfire on to your own catapults
One dropped vase and you burn your own city down
Same concept with grey scales weapons
Would work for the rock people though
why dont u just kill them, infecting them is just more cruel not more effective, just putting them in misery
This can backfire immediately, if this becomes known, the foe will fight with the courage of despair and wrath.
Maybe a video on the real story behind the red wedding and the differences or all the real life events george pulled inspiration from or the story of the man with many faces and what was his deal or a video on the white walkers
Hi Joseph, these are all great suggestions and I will add them to the list, thank you mate!
Sam curing Jorah is my favourite scene in all of Game of Thrones, there’s something just so satisfying about it every time I watch it.
I believe that this is more based off leprosy, being a chronic disease and causing visible disfigurement.
Edit: Another note, lepers also were outcasts from society due to this.
One of the most terrifying viruses in fiction
Daenerys: "Hey guys, what's up?"
You should do a virus video on The Last Of Us.
Boltons are masters in healing greyscale
First time I’ve ever heard season 7 described as “mind blowing”
game of Thrones is my favorite show above all others so I liked the video hope to see more
awesome David!
I had greyscale when i deployed to iraq.Had to shave my face with a kabar knife to get rid of the skin. It was so bad i didnt want to go on leave. But doctors tested it and found it was a fungus and gave me a steriod cream to rub on it. This only amplified it. So i bought some anti fungus cream at the Dallas airport since i was to go on leave and two days it was gone. Only greyscale for a month.
I'm sorry to hear that Thomas! Sounds similar to what Eli Roth (the film director) had in his teens, which inspired him to make the movie Cabin Fever. Hope youre ok now buddy :)
Ouch! Glad you're ok
I wonder if perhaps using rum as a painkiller is what allowed Sam to cure him when so many others had failed?
"You are the princess Shireen. You are my daughter."
*five minutes later*
"Hey, who's down for a BBQ?
And Sam somehow finds the cure in a month at the Citadel. Incredible writing right there.
How about the plague in the Dishonored game series?
I dont know much about it, but will look into it and add it to the list mate :)
It's just a normal plague in the Dishonored 1. But I don't know anything about the disease in Dishonored 2 and I'm curious about it.
Small note, but in the books, the Stone Men weren't living in Valyria. This is because in the books, the ruins of Valyria are considered to be so cursed that no one will sail within a hundred miles of it. In the books, the Stone Men live along the River Rhoyne.
I wish I could watch the full removal by Sam on Jorah
I must admit watching much of the series before reading the books. I haven't finished either, but think what I have to look forward to. I thought the disease was called dragon scale, rather than gray scale. When poor, sweet Shireen met her end, I had this hope that she'd be protected from the flames by her affliction. This is probably an indication I have been reading too many soppy fantasy novels. Until now.
have you thought about exploring the origins of the locust from gears of war ? great vids man
I havent, but I can look into it, cheers for the suggestion :)
sweet good luck mate
Greyscale presents the way people were afraid leprosy affects the body way back when (and somewhat still today, it's a very misunderstood disease). I believe greyscale is an allegory for leprosy
I just got to say awwwwww!!!!!!! That poor Guy from resident evil and how he gets curred!!! 😱
The show makes Greyscale seem really easy to cure. Just cut off the skin layer and put ointment on it.... Seems like there should be a mountain of cases with Greyscale being cured.
Everyone says the disease is some sort of bacterial or viral infection, but I would say this disease is some form of advanced fungal infection. A fungal infection that could infect the epidermis than after fully spreading to the internal organs after covering the skin. The hardened skin is the fungal infection developed. But that is just my thought on it.
6:08 is one of the best scene I loved from GOT. it was so perfect❤️
I'm sorry but I just love that you are hungover
I'm a fan of ur channel and dig all the content, but I really got a laugh out of this one! As u do in all ur vids, u started out with " hey guys". This lined up almost perfect with the blond dragon lady as she began speaking some mumbo jumbo. It's the little things!!! Keep on keepin on bro!
Amazing job!!!
Thanks Aaron!
Love the vid keep it up :)
Thanks Vincent!
If it’s as simple as cutting off the infected skin, why not just get on that fast? I’m sure Jorah cutting that small patch of grey scale would’ve hurt a lot less than having half his upper body peeled off
One of most upsetting things from GoT was Stannis allowing the Lady in Red to burn Shireen alive as a blood sacrifice. Absolutely heart-breaking episode. I wish Jon Snow allowed her to be killed
Given that the Stonemen are sent to the ruins of Valyria, and how similar the afflicted skin looks to Dragon Scales, I wonder if Greyscale is a Bioweapon created by the Valyrians with Blood Magic…
nice channel, u are a very good narrator keep up the good work
cheers buddy!
Since Sam was able to cure Jorah's Greyscale by applying an ointment, couldn't it be a type of fungal infection?
Great vid as usual bro. I’d like to see you do one one the white walkers, please.
Thats a great suggestion, I'll add that to the list and do some research :)
Awesome ❤️
Actually the grey scale sounds like stone man syndrome look it up horrific stuff
More than likely was the inspiration for the disease
At least the victims didn't became an actual zombie because of the cure.
Man they ruined Stannis's character from the show.
For real. The Stannis that refused to give up on his daughter ended up giving the order to have her burned to death? Unlikely. But hey, what's done is done
@@shantalindsay4086 well he did went crazy
I wish we got a full real time cut of Sam pulling off Jorah's infected skin. Like as an extra in the DVD release. So satisfying to watch.
Do an episode on the monster from the upside down in stranger things, I can’t remember it’s name right now but you should do an episode on it. I looked it up and they’re called demogorgons
I'd love to look into that and will add it to the list, thank you! Stranger things is one of my fav shows :)
What a great channel! Glad I found it, thanks!
This would be great for a sponsorship from hbo
I know right!
Dope video keep it up I like all your vids bro
Thanks Myles!
Poor Serene
"I told them all to go to hell,"
"So they went to Reddit."
Game of Thrones Biological Warfare = If Cersei made the Lannister army cover their weapons(swords/spears) or even arrows in the blood of Greyscale people to use against her enemies, even if they were to survive the arrow/wound, they would have Greyscale and die from that making the mortality rate almost 100% from anyone who was injured/wounded
Valar Morgholius
Geek forlife Valar Dohaeris
I think I have a twisted theory on why Greyscale exists, and i hate it because it makes too much sense.
Greyscale is an STD that an insane Targaryen contracted after he tried to sleep with a Dragon.
When the Cleric Nat 20s on his medicine check to heal.
Their is actualy a hereditery mutation irl similair called Epidermodysplasia verruciformis
Also called treeman syndrome causes skin to grow scaly molecules that eventurly look like tree bark its a horific confition but mist who have it have low life exspectency anyway as even if could deal with that its anindicator of skin cancer in later life aswell
Am i the only one who would like to see "Stone Warriors." Like a group of savage people who take thier vest warriors, gives them the virus for armor, and the pain caused by moving and fighting makes them even more brutal and savage warriors ?
It looked like dany said "hey guys what's up" in the beginning lmao
In a movie with dragons and stuff that disease seems very real
Dying slowly in Agony and pain is more scarier than dying straight or quick!
Minus the pain and going insane, having stone skin sounds pretty badass.
who guards the invected colony to prevent them to leave?
The beginning of the vid made me sad because of what happens to her later in the show😔
*One thing I don't understand. Since the disease had already been spreading outside so much, what about the insides?*
Still good 4 years later :)
I miss stannis 😭😭
I wonder how far the GoT universe is from discovering penicillin
does anyone else get the shakes when they see the greyscale
When Jorah got cured he immediately put on his shirt he’s been wearing all through out the series and even during the time he had infectious grey scale lol I was like dude no! Your shirt is gonna infect you again lol
Hey man, great video as always. I was curious if you're still going to continue with the Crossed series.
Should have rounded up some of these grayscale peeps and launched them at the night king!
We've seen hundreds of deaths on GOT, but the hardest to stomach was Shareen's. 😖
It's absolutely terrifying.