I switched to Linux Mint on all my computers, not just the Raspberry PI. I don't like where Microsoft is going with windows, and I want to keep my data at home, not floating around somewhere out there in the cloud where I can't access it without an internet connection. The attitude that I don't own my computer or my data is just nuts. If I purchase a program I want to be able to install it locally, not sitting on a server somewhere in cyberspace.
Exactly my feelings as well got the parts for a 2nd monster PC with a 4090 and an II9 13900K. After doing my research I'm going the Linux route where I can still play the majority of my games and use the programs I need and my computer remains personal and local!
Well said, I'm a new "Linux Mint" user who finally ditched "Windows" because of this operating system being available. As for this "Cloud" nonsense, when you read the word "Cloud" in this instance just think, "Government monitored and controlled data-scanning server.", because that's exactly what it means.
@@wolfenstein6676 That is very true. Given they already do warrant-less monitoring I don't trust that they are not also monitoring the cloud. The government should not have access to your data without a warrant. Businesses also trade in our private information, which I also don't like. Further, if you are involved in business, you don't want your competitors to have access to trade secrets and the like. Some people have the attitude that if you are doing nothing illegal you have nothing to worry about. Well, this is why you should worry.
I use Linux Mint for office work, not on the internet. I use Ubuntu for internet. Each on a separate NVMe. For some reason Unbuntu does not work well with my Hp printer or the android phone. No problem. Restart is quick enough to switch over when needed.
@@warrenpuckett4203 Curious, how old is your printer? I have an antique HP Laserjet 4P that runs well in Linux Mint with a minor glitch here and there. My laptop is a Dell Latitude E6500 which was sluggish in Windows 10, runs like crazy in Linux mint.
@@justbarelysociable2211 HP LaserJet Pro MFP M29w Printer Mar 2019 date on the user manual So maybe 30 months? I guess Hp has not got around to making universal code capable with most Linux distros. To get around that. I just I just transfer print jobs to a USB drive. Then switch distros. It does print out nice B&W photos. The blue tooth on it does not play nice with Android to. Maybe when I finally do the have to and go 5G maybe it will work. It does not do color You can get a color INK for the same price. But I don't print every day and the print heads clog up. Now they make so it too hard to remove the head and soak it in 90% propranolol. Then to clear it out. Color laser is over $300 I have a Brother in the garage that is so old. I can't get new rollers for it. They wear out. It is about 24 years old. The scanner still works.
I find myself "at home" and content on Linux Mint XFCE with the panel at the top of the screen and I change the menu button to look like the standard XFCE. I don't know what it is but I just love it.
I agree with you, XFCE has been my chosen desktop (on Gentoo Linux) for years. A good desktop environments gives you easy access to your applications and then stays out of the way. It also should not waste CPU cycles that can be given to applications. XFCE meets both of those requirements well. I gave up with GNOME when support for GNOME 2 ended - I went to MATE (as a GNOME 2 fork) after that but it was very buggy for a long time and then settled on XFCE. I run my computers for me, not to impress someone who might be looking over my shoulder or to spend my life dumping screenshots of my desktop on Reddit - GNOME and KDE today are for poseurs.
@@terrydaktyllus1320 I have to disagree with you on your last sentiment. I also run my computers for me, but I'm prepared to sacrifice some CPU and GPU cycles for a pretty desktop look. Not everyone has the same priorities. I like tiling window managers for their efficient use of screen real estate, but don't use them because of the generally 'hairshirt' experience. Gnome looks pretty enough, but is 'lobotomised' when it comes to configurability. KDE is highly configurable, which is nice, but can be buggy. Cinnamon is a nice compromise of configurability and stability. I only use XFCE on old hardware. Cinnamon is my preference whenever possible. An ideal DE, in my opinion, would be attractive 'out of the box'. It would be scalable in terms of the features it supported, so it would run well on both old hardware and new. Older hardware could have a reduced set of features installed, perhaps as the result of an optional benchmarking tool built in to the installer. It should be highly configurable in terms of look and feel. It would offer slick support for both tiling and floating windows. No DE ticks all these boxes, but Cinnamon comes closest for me. I don't approve of Gnome's my way or the highway approach to things. I find that extremely arrogant.
@Pax.Alotin Unfortunately Gnome developers do this very same thing. I clearly remember apt-indicator fiasco where they decided the system tray wasn't for 3rd party apps when so many huge apps needed a way to use this. It's been straightened out now(I think), but installing an app and wondering why you didn't have it in the tray was a serious headache for me for a while. That said, I don't think I could ever use KDE. I'll never forget installing Kubuntu on a laptop before leaving for a trip, and going to run it that first night and it wouldn't load the desktop. I have had a lot of problems with KDE whenever I've tried to use it.
They are right about the Adwaita theme. I am using Debian with both the Mate, Cinnamon and Gnome desktops ( on different laptops.) All use the Adwaita as the default theme which is the first thing I change on a new install. As it is quite ugly so it should be removed. Only you can't on Debian as it's part of all 3 desktops. I do have Gnome Calculator, Gnome Weather and Gnome Calendar as a few other Gnome apps on Mate and Cinnamon. Since both are based on the gnome desktop but they integrate well. I also have a number of KDE apps on those desktops.You can run either GTK Gnome or KDE Apps which are QT on both Cinnamon and other GTK desktops and GTK on KDE QT as well. They all work and I have not found any issues with this. I don't use Flatpak or Snaps. I disable them on my desktops. Like you I only want to use the ordinary software. I don't want Snaps or Flatpaks.
Mint has been my goto distro. 4 years ago when I was looking at distros to migrate my business' computers from windows to, Mint XFCE was the one everyone just liked. When I finally migrated my home gaming machine from Win7 to Linux I also stayed with Mint. I don't know how people can stand using Win11 frankly.
To me Cinnamon feels more like Windows but transforms your computer into a lightweight environment all games are functioning that I want to run on it thanks to Proton with Steam and Valve admitted Proton had a major update that out bests Windows anyone who hates Linux needs to try it for themselves.
I have a Linux Mint Cinnamon and a System 76 setup. I like both for what they offer. The Mint is my old reliable workhorse. I use my System 76 to learn some new things, and am really looking forward to their new fork.
What do you mean by "financials"? Server costs of day 1 downloads? "Sales"/donations a week after release? Cost for clem and others to develop it? Electric bill during peek installation time? Mint always posts their donations amounts and it is easily viewable on the website......... No idea what you mean past that
I don't know much but I have read somewhere that they also support many open source projects by helping them with developer support or funds.@@mattvisaggio
DataDog user for work here; what they're likely doing is sending over the access_log (or equivalent) from the web server. That normally includes the browser 'ID' tag, and *that* tends to include the OS install info. Most browsers allow you to sanitize this to various levels, for privacy purposes, though its usually not obvious where to do that. As for Mint itself - now that I know the 24.04 equiv won't happen for some time, I can freely play around with something like Budgie to get a feel for how the desktop-side is doing these days. I've dealt with various 'headless' or 'text only' forms of UNIX (at work or school) for over a quarter century, going back to SunOS 4.1.3_U1 in the early/mid 90s, but desktop/graphical-side always felt lacking for home use - until recently.
I am using Debian 12 with the Gnome desktop on which I have installed Nemo which has File-Roller and it works fine. File-Roller which is also called Archive Manager is part of Nemo so you cannot remove it. I think you can install another archive file tool and use that instead. It means you will have two archive tool's but just set the one you have installed as the default.
@@AndreaBorman I am using Arch with Cinnamon, Nemo Version 6.0.2, File-roller version 44.1, maybe yours is older (maybe 43.4?) since Debian has a more conservative approach to upgrades, and that's why it still works fine. File-roller is not part of Nemo, there is a Nemo plugin named Nemo-fileroller (which usually comes by default) that allows it to interact with File-roller. You can even disable it on the Nemo preference menu. I installed Engrampa (Mate's fork of File-Roller) which works perfectly with Cinnamon.
@@fcolecumberri Yes File Roller which is also called Archive Manager is a plug in of Nemo and also part of it. I also have an entry in my start menu and I can run it as a separate program. Engrampa is also good. The problem is that it can only be used on Mate. If you try to install it on any other desktop it pulls in the whole of the Mate desktop. This is on Debian and Ubuntu but maybe it's different on Arch.
regarding datadog; you can run NoScript extension which turns off web domains by default and their JS code just won't run when you're automagically directed to that webpage.
Its just collecting data on how many of each specific distros are being downloaded, it says on the page - nothing to do with inside the OS or updating.
It will be interesting to see how this affects KeepassXC. The person responsible for the Deb package decided not to neuter it compared to the full-feature flatpack coming from the dev team.
I don't like flatpak or snap. I prefer deb or dnf but that's me. If it doesn't have a native system app I usually don't install it unless I must absolutely have it.
You can't go far wrong with Linux Mint. I used Kubuntu for a year or two, but found the various KDE issues somewhat bothersome. So I'm heading back to good old Linux Mint!
The only thing I don't really like about Mint is the execution buttons on top are too small and slide bar to the right side is non-existent or small as well. I can't seem to change it in any standard meaningful way. Other than that - Mint is great.
I'd like to be a Mint user again: it's the only distro I've ever made multiple cash contributions to, after all. But I am at home only in KDE. Mint's deliberate turn away from KDE was a source of some sorrow and makes it a non-starter for me these days. I wonder if the current Gnome difficulties indicate 1) the turn away from KDE wasn't the brightest move ever; and 2) whether a KDE re-think might be warranted. I can dream...
Very in depth explanations and easy to understand. Thanks. I myself am using Debian 12.5 ( well typing on Win 11 Pro hardened ). But want to start a clean Debian 12.5 hardened on an older laptop ( 8th Gen Intel ). If I had a family member that was sick of Win11, Linux Mint would be where I would steer them towards though. I don't know if it'd be the Debian version though, I'd have to do more reading and watch some videos on it, since it's been awhile. Thinking of putting PopOS on my newer laptop as my Admin acct is totally corrupt. It's so hardened that I can only update things on my limited user Acct !!!
Definitely introduce them to the Canonical builds of Linux Mint (Ubuntu based), there's a lot more general support for Ubuntu in the linux space thant here is Debian for a lot of little menial things, also Canonical upstream is usually fairly good, I only ever have an issue with their updates on a pure Ubuntu set up where several times they've pushed updates for their own distro and nuked my builds in the process, forcing me to move to Debian. The LMDE is more of a fallback, or for eccentrics who enjoy Debian, one day Linux Mint might have to fall back to Debian but until then it's the less polished version of the distro in my opinion.
I been using q4os linux for a couple years, sometimes I miss using elements os. But didnt china breach linux and if linux keeps being hacked I may have to switch to haiku os. But I'd still rather run any distro of linux over mac intelligence or Microsofts key logger and screen capture every second.
I've been using mint now for a month and it's nice but having some bugs on my desktop that are kind of annoying. I've also found out that lutris is not officially supported due to bugs not being fixed. I am still able to run it with epic game though. But today decided to try out Ubuntu 24.4 mostly because I don't care for the desktop environment mint has, I like more customization options and I think gnome has more tools. Not sure now, might try out some other flavors like kubuntu. With mint everything just looks dull to me. Been trying to chang everything to my liking but having trouble. Maybe there is a tool to make this easier. Might make my own once I figure it all out.
You use heroic launcher to launch your epic games games, not lutrus. And it doesn't matter if looters is officially supported by Clem and his team are not bottom line is it works plenty fine and gets the job done where wine alone often might not or occasionally might not depending on the games generation of games and the tech involved in the games that you might play
I LOVE Cinnamon--- just wish it had an AUTO- TILER like the POP OS has...(and I know it's NOt gnome- thank God)...just wish there were something similar in Cinnamon for MINT!!! It would be absolutely PERFECT if it had something like that. (that's AUTO- tiling-- no key combo crap to keep up with or use).
If you have an option of http or https, use https .. unless you're being blocked on https (port 443), it is always preferable. http is just a fallback at this point.
Really... I want Clem & his dev team focus XApps+Xfwm4 on Xfce than Mate, Cinnamon that fork over Gnome because Xfce is already present for long in fact he should even join and develop Xfce from the inside especially widgets & panel applets for Xfce. I've chose Xfce over Cinnamon because I like Whiskermenu it's a shame there's no Mint start and Cinnvinstark Menu for Xfce otherwise Cinnvinstark would look more W7 than Whiskermenu.
I used to use Xfce but I don't now. I like Mate and KDE better as they have more features and are very customisable. Gnome Flashback is worth trying if you are looking for a light desktop alternative to Xfce.
I love Mint i was using Fedora but i found problems. My external drive would not mount on injection. And Firefox was snap or flat pack and would not let me run video's so i had to use un Googled chrome. Mint dose not do stupid stuff like this and is the most user friendly.
GNOME might as well go closed source with people with Emmanuel Bassi and IBM/Red Hat in charge and the libadwaita bullshit. It's getting hard to believe that GNOME started as a GNU project with how they treat their users.
FYI, if you have some of the latest hardware, or Ryzen CPU and AMD graphics, Mint struggled with drivers. And VM's just didn't want to work. The new Ubuntu is actually great and the Cinnamon Garuda is extremely amazing and easy. And of course, Ubuntu also has the Studio Version as well for those that do content creations
@@SwitchedtoLinux tried it, didn't help. Doesn't like my audio. And the VM passthrough doesn't completely like my motherboard and won't passthrough things like USB or CD ROM
Hello from New Mexico. I'm new to Linux and I could really use your help. I want to get rid of windows and switch to Linux Mint. I mostly use my old military Laptop offline and to play Oblivion and Skyrim with a Xbox 360 controller, i also use it for offline GPS and movies. The screen works as both a touch screen and a digitizer tablet, (the screen rotates and folds flat and locks ) I also do CAD and 3d printing with it. My Laptop is a Panasonic toughbook CF-19z mk8, with Intel i5 3610 2.7ghz processor, Intel HD-4000 gpu with 1.7gb vram, 16gb of ram, 1tb sata ssd, on board hardware GPS and 4g cellular modem. I can't afford to use any online subscriptions. My question is what do you recommend for os and software, and is there any way to keep and use my Oblivion and Skyrim files, i do have a extra external 500gb hard drive
I for one like my themes to dictate how every app looks like. That's why I use flatpak apps only very sparingly, as not all of them use my themes correctly/at all.
Nothing beats the Mint icons and themes. I am using them on Debian. I take them with me to whatever distro I am using. Much better than any others. The Zorin OS themes also look nice on Cinnamon and Mate since both those desktops are Gnome based.
GTK3 will not be support forever however. I fully support their decision to use GTK3 as GTK4 is really no good. I guess GTK3 will be branched at some point and most desktops will diverge away from Gnome and Gnome can do what Gnome does...
Data Collection? Nope! I was going to go with Mint, but not now. Now looking for a distro with true privacy and no data collection.Trying to ditch Windows for that very reason.
"Note: This data comes from the traffic on the download pages of our website. We do not collect any telemetry inside the OS." in the same post you can find this information, it is only a matter of reviewing a little bit
you're downloading packages from their servers that they pay to host. do you think it's possible to pay for a service like that and to be unaware of how many users you're serving?
One small correction about the MATE desktop: the right pronunciation would be “mah - teh”, without any accent on the last syllable *te*, which should sound more like the beginning of “technical” - a short, dry pronunciation. The name comes after the popular drink Yerba Mate in Argentina and Uruguay 🧉
While the accent is indeed on the "ma" not on the "te", the latter should still sound long. Like the "ay" in "wayland", not like the "e" in "technical". So _yerba mate_ is pronounced as hair (like on your head), ba (as in ba, ba, black sheep, have you any wool), ma (as in grandma), tay (like that horrifying ai chatbot a while back). That's for the drink anyway, I haven't a clue whether the desktop environment is pronounced the same way or not.
And this is what drives me crazy with any form of Linux video. I have no clue what you are talking about🙄 so how on earth am I going to be able to use it. It’s not like it’s self explanatory because it’s not.
I have to agree. It's like walking in the middle of a conversation and you have no idea what they are going on about. There's no reason of why these changes should be made or what the backstory is. So useless.
Please help. I would like to see Linux mint cinnamon with other icons. I feel the icons that mint comes with are 😢. Linux mint is my next project to have it on my laptop.
The default icons in Mint (cinnamon) look too cartoonish for me. But I stumbled on a theme that, for me, solved this. It is in the "Theme's" in the System Settings. It's called Cinnamox-Rhino.
You can either download theme packs and that site is easily enough found through a simple internet search for Linux Mint cinnamon themes, ...or you can actually download individual icons and on individual things be at shortcuts or folders , right click , select properties, then click on the left part of that pop-up window right on the little icon tiny window and you can browse to the icon you just download it and change it that way. That's how I did my Linux Mint cinnamon desktop with many of my folders
I really lament the death of one of the most popular IRC clients. And the only real choice if you're not inclined to have all software start with the letter K.
I really like Mint but unfortunately with my hardware I cannot run it. I am using KDE Neon 6 and POP OS on my PC and laptop. They both work fine and a good replacement for Windows 11.
Possibly adding to Tom's point their, you may be able to install Linux Mint 21.3 cinnamon using the compatibility mode. And also there's an alternate way to install kernel 6.5 which should work with your Hardware chances are
Yeah that's the problem when you try to run Linux on a brand new laptop that comes with Windows 11. The hardware is too new so some Linux distros have not yet updated the drivers. That's why I always try to get a laptop that is at least a year old as it has more chance of working on Linux.
I tryed several times to get Cinnamon to work with rtx4070. It got stuck at desktop every time. I installed ubuntu instead all hardware thing work instantly. I think cinnamon is the best desktop. I could't use it. Sad!
Let me know when "LM gives good contributions to the [Window's] community as a whole", where Windows users can easily switch over without jumping through hoops or loosing software or becoming nerds. Then and only then it might actually get popular for us majority of real users, not just Linux users.
Finally uploaded all my Grandfather’s 2tb of scanned and digital photos to the cloud. Downloaded LMDE on his 11 year old pc. Acer predator G3-605. It worked great until i went into disks and deleted each partition on the ssd that had Windows 10. Now it’s a brick. It says: reboot and select proper boot device Or install media and select proper boot device. I tried everything I could find online. Nothing worked. Lesson learned When switching to linux Do NOT nuke windows from linux *i wonder if it has anything to do with the terms of service. I remember upgrading to 22H2 when it asked.
If you dont want dual boot, you should have nuked Windows before installing Linux. You could have used Linux live (cd) session to backup your old data first.
@@gokhanersumer2273 i backed up my data to 2 external hard drives and cloud storage before that, so I'm not worried about the data, just the potential waste of an old computer that might have some use: NAS, mini miner, extra backup.
@saurusratke if you still need to get data off of it, you could use a bootable usb to do that, and then format the drive and start fresh. Check your bios settings also making sure secureboot, fastboot and any other setting that pertains to booting is off, the various flavours of windows have deep roots.
Personally, I can't STAND "g-nome"... Iv'e tried it seriously- even found a couple guys that could teach the ' workflow" in a way I liked- but I just can't get into do it -- so can't stand it.!! So- let gnome get independent.. trash should stand alone anyway...
People who like Windows might like Linux Mint a whole lot more unlike Microsoft they listen to their supporters and use donation services that run the program Microsoft needs to take notes because Windows is gonna be dead once people start making the switch because of less harsh upgrade requirements.
Asus VivoBook 16x (32GB, i7, RTX4700) + LMDE6 + Docker Desktop + multiple (2) external monitors = freez all after ~15-20 min. I suspect that nvidia is seriously damaging something, because (to my surprise) there are many problems with external monitors. Not only LMDE6 (Because of core 6, core 5 is not taken) but also Windows. Double loading. And so I can't switch to the new laptop and two external monitors (1080) for half a year because of stability. It's a computer for work, so I can't spend the nth hour a day solving PC problems. That's why ASUS has been standing aside for half a year.
"Gnome is good on itself"... Right. Go on and use Gnome without any extensions as your daily machine and then come back to tell me how it's 'good'. Gnome is unusable.
@RealOny are you kidding me? Current gnome is a dumpster fire and they keep stripping away very basic and essential functionalities away. Gnome is easily the worst DE today.
GNOME has become awful over the last few years. When I first started in linux it was the only desktop worth using now it is just frustrating to use. I agree that Cinnamon is now the best. Some love KDE plasma 6 but, the same as you I try other desktops and soon end up back on Cinnamon. Same for Distro's I usually end up back on Mint. However Im leaning more towards DE now because I believe Mint is better off without Ubuntu.
You can change the desktop environment on Mint. I am running Linux Mint 21.2 with the KDE desktop. It's a beautiful desktop and everything is working great.
Gnome's push for client-side decorations is deliberate sabotage. "See, programs only looks good and consistent under OUR desktop."
I switched to Linux Mint on all my computers, not just the Raspberry PI. I don't like where Microsoft is going with windows, and I want to keep my data at home, not floating around somewhere out there in the cloud where I can't access it without an internet connection. The attitude that I don't own my computer or my data is just nuts. If I purchase a program I want to be able to install it locally, not sitting on a server somewhere in cyberspace.
Exactly my feelings as well got the parts for a 2nd monster PC with a 4090 and an II9 13900K. After doing my research I'm going the Linux route where I can still play the majority of my games and use the programs I need and my computer remains personal and local!
Well said, I'm a new "Linux Mint" user who finally ditched "Windows" because of this operating system being available. As for this "Cloud" nonsense, when you read the word "Cloud" in this instance just think, "Government monitored and controlled data-scanning server.", because that's exactly what it means.
@@wolfenstein6676 That is very true. Given they already do warrant-less monitoring I don't trust that they are not also monitoring the cloud. The government should not have access to your data without a warrant. Businesses also trade in our private information, which I also don't like. Further, if you are involved in business, you don't want your competitors to have access to trade secrets and the like. Some people have the attitude that if you are doing nothing illegal you have nothing to worry about. Well, this is why you should worry.
@@StarSong936 Amen to that, Star.
They're really pushing hard on "you'll own nothing and be happy."
I've been on Linux Mint since 2019 after 2 years of distro hopping. I just kept coming back to it.
Mint is like a comfy pair of shoes
The gnome situation really shows that system76(pop os) did the right thing developing their own desktop
True. I like Gnome apps, always have. But I'm barely able to use it as a desktop anymore, even though I'd prefer to 😔
System76 and their pop OS are trash. Big money grab. I have one and I switched my WM back to i3. Considering moving distros entirely.
i just hoped they would move away from docks because those are useless and keep resource usage super low.
They are ahead of their time doing such job, it's like they know what they're dealing with.
Unity 2.0
I switched from Windows 10 to Linux Mint XFCE about 5 months ago and I;m loving it. I have an antique laptop that runs like a champ in Linux.
I use Linux Mint for office work, not on the internet. I use Ubuntu for internet. Each on a separate NVMe.
For some reason Unbuntu does not work well with my Hp printer or the android phone.
No problem. Restart is quick enough to switch over when needed.
@@warrenpuckett4203 Curious, how old is your printer? I have an antique HP Laserjet 4P that runs well in Linux Mint with a minor glitch here and there. My laptop is a Dell Latitude E6500 which was sluggish in Windows 10, runs like crazy in Linux mint.
@@justbarelysociable2211 HP LaserJet Pro MFP M29w Printer
Mar 2019 date on the user manual
So maybe 30 months?
I guess Hp has not got around to making universal code capable with most Linux distros.
To get around that. I just I just transfer print jobs to a USB drive. Then switch distros.
It does print out nice B&W photos.
The blue tooth on it does not play nice with Android to.
Maybe when I finally do the have to and go 5G maybe it will work.
It does not do color
You can get a color INK for the same price. But I don't print every day and the print heads clog up. Now they make so it too hard to remove the head and soak it in 90% propranolol. Then to clear it out.
Color laser is over $300
I have a Brother in the garage that is so old.
I can't get new rollers for it. They wear out.
It is about 24 years old.
The scanner still works.
I find myself "at home" and content on Linux Mint XFCE with the panel at the top of the screen and I change the menu button to look like the standard XFCE. I don't know what it is but I just love it.
Xfce Chad's rise up!
I agree with you, XFCE has been my chosen desktop (on Gentoo Linux) for years.
A good desktop environments gives you easy access to your applications and then stays out of the way. It also should not waste CPU cycles that can be given to applications. XFCE meets both of those requirements well.
I gave up with GNOME when support for GNOME 2 ended - I went to MATE (as a GNOME 2 fork) after that but it was very buggy for a long time and then settled on XFCE.
I run my computers for me, not to impress someone who might be looking over my shoulder or to spend my life dumping screenshots of my desktop on Reddit - GNOME and KDE today are for poseurs.
XFCE was my first choice and inow my backup, in case hyprland decides to malfunction.
XFCE has been my favorite overall GNU/Linux DE since the late 90's. It just does exactly what it needs to and like DOOM, it works on everything
@@terrydaktyllus1320 I have to disagree with you on your last sentiment. I also run my computers for me, but I'm prepared to sacrifice some CPU and GPU cycles for a pretty desktop look. Not everyone has the same priorities. I like tiling window managers for their efficient use of screen real estate, but don't use them because of the generally 'hairshirt' experience. Gnome looks pretty enough, but is 'lobotomised' when it comes to configurability. KDE is highly configurable, which is nice, but can be buggy. Cinnamon is a nice compromise of configurability and stability. I only use XFCE on old hardware. Cinnamon is my preference whenever possible.
An ideal DE, in my opinion, would be attractive 'out of the box'. It would be scalable in terms of the features it supported, so it would run well on both old hardware and new. Older hardware could have a reduced set of features installed, perhaps as the result of an optional benchmarking tool built in to the installer. It should be highly configurable in terms of look and feel. It would offer slick support for both tiling and floating windows. No DE ticks all these boxes, but Cinnamon comes closest for me. I don't approve of Gnome's my way or the highway approach to things. I find that extremely arrogant.
I've been running Mint with Cinnamon for years. Very well put together.
I moved to Mint with Cinnamon in 2013 as my primary developer station. Regularly tested alternatives, always happily came back.
I am new Linux Mint use and I love it , I installed it on my MacBook Air from 2014. I love many things about , one of the is printing quality.
As the only OS or as dual boot?
@@meekdook4236 only os
I also run Linux Mint on my 2013 MacBook Air. Definitely a good all rounder for a little MacBook that doesn't need to do much.
@@meekdook4236 As only OS
A lot of awesome stuff. Mint just keeps providing... Thanks for the video Tom...
LLAP 🖖
Plasma 6 is awesome. I'd love to have this option in Mint (the most robust and stable distro I've ever tried).
Mint dumped its KDE version just after I switched to it; I'll never forgive them for that! :_[ hYlkeW
@Pax.Alotin Unfortunately Gnome developers do this very same thing. I clearly remember apt-indicator fiasco where they decided the system tray wasn't for 3rd party apps when so many huge apps needed a way to use this.
It's been straightened out now(I think), but installing an app and wondering why you didn't have it in the tray was a serious headache for me for a while.
That said, I don't think I could ever use KDE. I'll never forget installing Kubuntu on a laptop before leaving for a trip, and going to run it that first night and it wouldn't load the desktop. I have had a lot of problems with KDE whenever I've tried to use it.
@Pax.Alotin What does Gnome need server connections to do?
i run fedora due to mint dumping kde.
@Pax.Alotin clearly you havent used plasma 6. alot of people where burned with kde 3 and 4. 5 is when everything got good.
They are right about the Adwaita theme. I am using Debian with both the Mate, Cinnamon and Gnome desktops ( on different laptops.) All use the Adwaita as the default theme which is the first thing I change on a new install. As it is quite ugly so it should be removed. Only you can't on Debian as it's part of all 3 desktops. I do have Gnome Calculator, Gnome Weather and Gnome Calendar as a few other Gnome apps on Mate and Cinnamon. Since both are based on the gnome desktop but they integrate well. I also have a number of KDE apps on those desktops.You can run either GTK Gnome or KDE Apps which are QT on both Cinnamon and other GTK desktops and GTK on KDE QT as well. They all work and I have not found any issues with this. I don't use Flatpak or Snaps. I disable them on my desktops. Like you I only want to use the ordinary software. I don't want Snaps or Flatpaks.
Mint has been my goto distro. 4 years ago when I was looking at distros to migrate my business' computers from windows to, Mint XFCE was the one everyone just liked.
When I finally migrated my home gaming machine from Win7 to Linux I also stayed with Mint. I don't know how people can stand using Win11 frankly.
Cinnamon desktop is my favorite too.!!
To me Cinnamon feels more like Windows but transforms your computer into a lightweight environment all games are functioning that I want to run on it thanks to Proton with Steam and Valve admitted Proton had a major update that out bests Windows anyone who hates Linux needs to try it for themselves.
@@TechnoMinded-qp5in I couldn't agree more!!
I have a Linux Mint Cinnamon and a System 76 setup. I like both for what they offer. The Mint is my old reliable workhorse. I use my System 76 to learn some new things, and am really looking forward to their new fork.
Future video subject request: how the financials work on a major release like Mint.
What do you mean by "financials"?
Server costs of day 1 downloads?
"Sales"/donations a week after release?
Cost for clem and others to develop it?
Electric bill during peek installation time?
Mint always posts their donations amounts and it is easily viewable on the website......... No idea what you mean past that
@@hopelessdecoy I am ignorant as to how such a long-term massive project sustains itself. Is it just from random donations?
@@hudefuk Its a community distro, as in people don't work on it to get paid, but you can donate if you want to.
Isn't it an actual organization? If so, how do they spend their resources I think is the question
I don't know much but I have read somewhere that they also support many open source projects by helping them with developer support or funds.@@mattvisaggio
I've had Mint for several years. I buy the usual Windows computer but then later I convert at some point to Mint. Completely satisfactory.
DataDog user for work here; what they're likely doing is sending over the access_log (or equivalent) from the web server. That normally includes the browser 'ID' tag, and *that* tends to include the OS install info. Most browsers allow you to sanitize this to various levels, for privacy purposes, though its usually not obvious where to do that.
As for Mint itself - now that I know the 24.04 equiv won't happen for some time, I can freely play around with something like Budgie to get a feel for how the desktop-side is doing these days. I've dealt with various 'headless' or 'text only' forms of UNIX (at work or school) for over a quarter century, going back to SunOS 4.1.3_U1 in the early/mid 90s, but desktop/graphical-side always felt lacking for home use - until recently.
The problem with Gnome is not only "how it looks", as an example, now, file-roller don't support drag-n-drop over Nemo. Can't understand why.
I am using Debian 12 with the Gnome desktop on which I have installed Nemo which has File-Roller and it works fine. File-Roller which is also called Archive Manager is part of Nemo so you cannot remove it. I think you can install another archive file tool and use that instead. It means you will have two archive tool's but just set the one you have installed as the default.
@@AndreaBorman I am using Arch with Cinnamon, Nemo Version 6.0.2, File-roller version 44.1, maybe yours is older (maybe 43.4?) since Debian has a more conservative approach to upgrades, and that's why it still works fine.
File-roller is not part of Nemo, there is a Nemo plugin named Nemo-fileroller (which usually comes by default) that allows it to interact with File-roller. You can even disable it on the Nemo preference menu.
I installed Engrampa (Mate's fork of File-Roller) which works perfectly with Cinnamon.
@@fcolecumberri Yes File Roller which is also called Archive Manager is a plug in of Nemo and also part of it. I also have an entry in my start menu and I can run it as a separate program. Engrampa is also good. The problem is that it can only be used on Mate. If you try to install it on any other desktop it pulls in the whole of the Mate desktop. This is on Debian and Ubuntu but maybe it's different on Arch.
regarding datadog; you can run NoScript extension which turns off web domains by default and their JS code just won't run when you're automagically directed to that webpage.
we should make "Gnome with its infinite wisdom" meme
Mint 22 should have a lot of exiting features to talk about it sounds like.
* exciting
Love Linux Mint's no nonsense approach.
I'v been there long time ago tried them all and mint I stayed, not distro hoping
Its just collecting data on how many of each specific distros are being downloaded, it says on the page - nothing to do with inside the OS or updating.
It will be interesting to see how this affects KeepassXC. The person responsible for the Deb package decided not to neuter it compared to the full-feature flatpack coming from the dev team.
Mint is my favorite deb based. Cinnamon always migrates with me regardless of distro.
I don't like flatpak or snap. I prefer deb or dnf but that's me. If it doesn't have a native system app I usually don't install it unless I must absolutely have it.
no way am i gonna use a flatpak or snap that uses over 1gb to download and install where the .deb would have taken 25 mb.
.deb seems to have broken packages frequently, flatpak not so much.
The cinnamon wayland session was unfinished but stable, i have very high hopes for it in the upcoming versions.
I think Linux Mint,XFCE and MATE should work together to fork GTK3.
The way I look at it GNOME does not leave them much of a choice.
You can't go far wrong with Linux Mint. I used Kubuntu for a year or two, but found the various KDE issues somewhat bothersome. So I'm heading back to good old Linux Mint!
The theming thing in recent years is such a debacle.
@Pax.Alotin Yes. Lack of consistency and too many formats.
A combined gtk theming tool would be nice, and go some way to reduce the complexity of theming
The only thing I don't really like about Mint is the execution buttons on top are too small and slide bar to the right side is non-existent or small as well. I can't seem to change it in any standard meaningful way. Other than that - Mint is great.
@5:06 The note under the graph tells you they get their data from the download pages of their website.
I'd like to be a Mint user again: it's the only distro I've ever made multiple cash contributions to, after all. But I am at home only in KDE. Mint's deliberate turn away from KDE was a source of some sorrow and makes it a non-starter for me these days. I wonder if the current Gnome difficulties indicate 1) the turn away from KDE wasn't the brightest move ever; and 2) whether a KDE re-think might be warranted. I can dream...
Totally agree. KDE should be reconsidered again.
the stubberness to keep using gtk when the gnone devs are just hostel is beyond me. also why im in the fedora camp now. kde forever.
Of course Libadwaita theme looks different from Adwaita. It's like QT on Adwaita Desktops. Different Toolkits (GTK 3 and 4 are so different nowdays)
Very in depth explanations and easy to understand. Thanks.
I myself am using Debian 12.5 ( well typing on Win 11 Pro hardened ). But want to start a clean Debian 12.5 hardened on an older laptop ( 8th Gen Intel ). If I had a family member that was sick of Win11, Linux Mint would be where I would steer them towards though. I don't know if it'd be the Debian version though, I'd have to do more reading and watch some videos on it, since it's been awhile. Thinking of putting PopOS on my newer laptop as my Admin acct is totally corrupt. It's so hardened that I can only update things on my limited user Acct !!!
Definitely introduce them to the Canonical builds of Linux Mint (Ubuntu based), there's a lot more general support for Ubuntu in the linux space thant here is Debian for a lot of little menial things, also Canonical upstream is usually fairly good, I only ever have an issue with their updates on a pure Ubuntu set up where several times they've pushed updates for their own distro and nuked my builds in the process, forcing me to move to Debian.
The LMDE is more of a fallback, or for eccentrics who enjoy Debian, one day Linux Mint might have to fall back to Debian but until then it's the less polished version of the distro in my opinion.
it's the closest thing to 'just werks' that linux has to offer
I love Mint, only problem is playing HEVC videos will have green shade sometimes
I been using q4os linux for a couple years, sometimes I miss using elements os. But didnt china breach linux and if linux keeps being hacked I may have to switch to haiku os. But I'd still rather run any distro of linux over mac intelligence or Microsofts key logger and screen capture every second.
I saw the rubbish bin that was the Linux Mint Software Store Application installer, and I went back to bleh Windows 10. Need my Windows apps.
LLLMMMDDDEEE 6. I love LMDE can you tell.
Excellent work Linux Mint! Thank you Tom for the info.
It's not working on LMDE 6 anymore. Last I knew it was disabled or something so I had to switch sources again.
I've been using mint now for a month and it's nice but having some bugs on my desktop that are kind of annoying. I've also found out that lutris is not officially supported due to bugs not being fixed. I am still able to run it with epic game though. But today decided to try out Ubuntu 24.4 mostly because I don't care for the desktop environment mint has, I like more customization options and I think gnome has more tools. Not sure now, might try out some other flavors like kubuntu. With mint everything just looks dull to me. Been trying to chang everything to my liking but having trouble. Maybe there is a tool to make this easier. Might make my own once I figure it all out.
You use heroic launcher to launch your epic games games, not lutrus. And it doesn't matter if looters is officially supported by Clem and his team are not bottom line is it works plenty fine and gets the job done where wine alone often might not or occasionally might not depending on the games generation of games and the tech involved in the games that you might play
I LOVE Cinnamon--- just wish it had an AUTO- TILER like the POP OS has...(and I know it's NOt gnome- thank God)...just wish there were something similar in Cinnamon for MINT!!! It would be absolutely PERFECT if it had something like that. (that's AUTO- tiling-- no key combo crap to keep up with or use).
I don't think I've ever used POP OS, but adding good tiling capabilities to Cinnamon would be appreciated by me.
I like Linux Mint, but it’s still a bit buggy. One the thing I keep having is to force shutdown, because left clicking my mouse doesn’t work😂
Great video! Mint's is amazing. Liked and subscribed.
If you have an option of http or https, use https .. unless you're being blocked on https (port 443), it is always preferable. http is just a fallback at this point.
Mint dumped its KDE version just after I switched to it; I'll never forgive them for that! :_[ hYlkeW
And Plasma 6 is really good ...
Really... I want Clem & his dev team focus XApps+Xfwm4 on Xfce than Mate, Cinnamon that fork over Gnome because Xfce is already present for long in fact he should even join and develop Xfce from the inside especially widgets & panel applets for Xfce. I've chose Xfce over Cinnamon because I like Whiskermenu it's a shame there's no Mint start and Cinnvinstark Menu for Xfce otherwise Cinnvinstark would look more W7 than Whiskermenu.
I used to use Xfce but I don't now. I like Mate and KDE better as they have more features and are very customisable. Gnome Flashback is worth trying if you are looking for a light desktop alternative to Xfce.
I love this❤ direction.
Well, no zenity Most of my scripts I use zenity for my GUI because I'm too lazy. To write my own GUI interface.
Have you tried Yad, a fork of zenity? (just curious)
I love Mint i was using Fedora but i found problems. My external drive would not mount on injection. And Firefox was snap or flat pack and would not let me run video's so i had to use un Googled chrome. Mint dose not do stupid stuff like this and is the most user friendly.
I'm listening but I'll stay with Debian Xfce
GNOME might as well go closed source with people with Emmanuel Bassi and IBM/Red Hat in charge and the libadwaita bullshit. It's getting hard to believe that GNOME started as a GNU project with how they treat their users.
Is that mean that they will fork Gtk3 into Xtk for all thier apps ?
Yes, Cinnamon Linux Mint is the easiest to install and use. Everything in one easy, straight forward install.
FYI, if you have some of the latest hardware, or Ryzen CPU and AMD graphics, Mint struggled with drivers. And VM's just didn't want to work. The new Ubuntu is actually great and the Cinnamon Garuda is extremely amazing and easy. And of course, Ubuntu also has the Studio Version as well for those that do content creations
They have an edge distro you should use if you have latest hardware.
@@SwitchedtoLinux tried it, didn't help. Doesn't like my audio. And the VM passthrough doesn't completely like my motherboard and won't passthrough things like USB or CD ROM
@@johnofsometrades405 what VM do you use?
@@mattvisaggio mainly Boxes, but also Virtual Box
@@SwitchedtoLinux That's how I got my wifi card to work for my HTPC
Glad I stick to XFCE after all these years.
The title for this video with the grammatical error is just too .... fitting.
You are the first to spot that....fixing now.
On Linux mint edge right now not to bad first time user burning through it, they're some things annoying but simple to over come.
Hello from New Mexico. I'm new to Linux and I could really use your help. I want to get rid of windows and switch to Linux Mint. I mostly use my old military Laptop offline and to play Oblivion and Skyrim with a Xbox 360 controller, i also use it for offline GPS and movies. The screen works as both a touch screen and a digitizer tablet, (the screen rotates and folds flat and locks ) I also do CAD and 3d printing with it. My Laptop is a Panasonic toughbook CF-19z mk8, with Intel i5 3610 2.7ghz processor, Intel HD-4000 gpu with 1.7gb vram, 16gb of ram, 1tb sata ssd, on board hardware GPS and 4g cellular modem. I can't afford to use any online subscriptions. My question is what do you recommend for os and software, and is there any way to keep and use my Oblivion and Skyrim files, i do have a extra external 500gb hard drive
MInt with MATE is the best, just Ubuntu is wierd so I use LMDE.
Any news about XFCE Wayland?
DONT TEASE MEEEE
No news is good news.
I for one like my themes to dictate how every app looks like. That's why I use flatpak apps only very sparingly, as not all of them use my themes correctly/at all.
Nothing beats the Mint icons and themes. I am using them on Debian. I take them with me to whatever distro I am using. Much better than any others. The Zorin OS themes also look nice on Cinnamon and Mate since both those desktops are Gnome based.
I get a package source corruption error when I added Fastly. Any clues? I followed video correctly. NM I forgot to apt update
I dont use Chrome, I use thorium browser. I dont use snaps and rarely use flatpacks.
when does the update drop for linux mint
Usually its 6 months from the last LTS release
GTK3 will not be support forever however. I fully support their decision to use GTK3 as GTK4 is really no good. I guess GTK3 will be branched at some point and most desktops will diverge away from Gnome and Gnome can do what Gnome does...
True I don't think Debian will use that in 13 when it is released. I don't think Ubuntu will either. I hope there won't be compatibility problems.
Gnome going their own way - GGTOW
Data Collection? Nope! I was going to go with Mint, but not now. Now looking for a distro with true privacy and no data collection.Trying to ditch Windows for that very reason.
"Note: This data comes from the traffic on the download pages of our website. We do not collect any telemetry inside the OS."
in the same post you can find this information, it is only a matter of reviewing a little bit
you're downloading packages from their servers that they pay to host. do you think it's possible to pay for a service like that and to be unaware of how many users you're serving?
Cinnamon is awesome
LMDE with cinnamon is life
Interesting stuff , good explanation!
Gnope!
One small correction about the MATE desktop: the right pronunciation would be “mah - teh”, without any accent on the last syllable *te*, which should sound more like the beginning of “technical” - a short, dry pronunciation. The name comes after the popular drink Yerba Mate in Argentina and Uruguay 🧉
While the accent is indeed on the "ma" not on the "te", the latter should still sound long. Like the "ay" in "wayland", not like the "e" in "technical".
So _yerba mate_ is pronounced as hair (like on your head), ba (as in ba, ba, black sheep, have you any wool), ma (as in grandma), tay (like that horrifying ai chatbot a while back).
That's for the drink anyway, I haven't a clue whether the desktop environment is pronounced the same way or not.
And this is what drives me crazy with any form of Linux video. I have no clue what you are talking about🙄 so how on earth am I going to be able to use it. It’s not like it’s self explanatory because it’s not.
I have to agree. It's like walking in the middle of a conversation and you have no idea what they are going on about. There's no reason of why these changes should be made or what the backstory is. So useless.
Please help.
I would like to see Linux mint cinnamon with other icons. I feel the icons that mint comes with are 😢.
Linux mint is my next project to have it on my laptop.
The default icons in Mint (cinnamon) look too cartoonish for me. But I stumbled on a theme that, for me, solved this. It is in the "Theme's" in the System Settings. It's called Cinnamox-Rhino.
You can either download theme packs and that site is easily enough found through a simple internet search for Linux Mint cinnamon themes,
...or you can actually download individual icons and on individual things be at shortcuts or folders , right click , select properties, then click on the left part of that pop-up window right on the little icon tiny window and you can browse to the icon you just download it and change it that way. That's how I did my Linux Mint cinnamon desktop with many of my folders
I love the Mint Icons, but I usually change the Firefox to the original. I really do not like Gnome icons at all.
Cinnamon and Gnome are my two favorite desktop environments.
What is the best Linux for gaming and web-browsing. Getting tired of Microsoft messing up windows.
I really lament the death of one of the most popular IRC clients. And the only real choice if you're not inclined to have all software start with the letter K.
I really like Mint but unfortunately with my hardware I cannot run it. I am using KDE Neon 6 and POP OS on my PC and laptop. They both work fine and a good replacement for Windows 11.
Have you tried the edge release of Mint? If newer hardware is your issue, that version should fix the issues. But use what works for you!
Possibly adding to Tom's point their, you may be able to install Linux Mint 21.3 cinnamon using the compatibility mode. And also there's an alternate way to install kernel 6.5 which should work with your Hardware chances are
Yeah that's the problem when you try to run Linux on a brand new laptop that comes with Windows 11. The hardware is too new so some Linux distros have not yet updated the drivers. That's why I always try to get a laptop that is at least a year old as it has more chance of working on Linux.
I've just nautilus/gedit => thunar/emacs ah, I think with mc and ... ok.
when zorin bluetooth is working vs linuxmint bluetooth is fckd
Well, I'd guess they'd host it somewhere in Europe.
I tryed several times to get Cinnamon to work with rtx4070. It got stuck at desktop every time.
I installed ubuntu instead all hardware thing work instantly.
I think cinnamon is the best desktop. I could't use it. Sad!
Try mint edge edition with the newer kernel.. nvidia is notorious for not working well on linux.
Mint did not work with the newest kernel. I just installed Ubuntu, and all the stuff worked right away.
Yikes, I use zenity on Mint to give GUIs to my bash scripts.
I think it's always possible to install yad, a fork of zenity...
@@juliosameiro Good to hear. Thanks for that.
I knew there was a reason I hated Adwaita.
lol 1:24
Let me know when "LM gives good contributions to the [Window's] community as a whole", where Windows users can easily switch over without jumping through hoops or loosing software or becoming nerds. Then and only then it might actually get popular for us majority of real users, not just Linux users.
You need to watch this one:
ruclips.net/video/HnfMpSFFT8k/видео.html
You have a lot of Linux misconceptions
what is this on bootup ( funky smelling output )
Finally uploaded all my Grandfather’s 2tb of scanned and digital photos to the cloud.
Downloaded LMDE on his 11 year old pc. Acer predator G3-605.
It worked great until i went into disks and deleted each partition on the ssd that had Windows 10.
Now it’s a brick.
It says: reboot and select proper boot device
Or install media and select proper boot device.
I tried everything I could find online. Nothing worked.
Lesson learned
When switching to linux
Do NOT nuke windows from linux
*i wonder if it has anything to do with the terms of service. I remember upgrading to 22H2 when it asked.
If you dont want dual boot, you should have nuked Windows before installing Linux. You could have used Linux live (cd) session to backup your old data first.
You may just need to fix your grub
@@gokhanersumer2273 i backed up my data to 2 external hard drives and cloud storage before that, so I'm not worried about the data, just the potential waste of an old computer that might have some use: NAS, mini miner, extra backup.
@@LinuxLoader1287 I took the battery out of the motherboard thinking it'll reset everything but still the same screen pops up.
@saurusratke if you still need to get data off of it, you could use a bootable usb to do that, and then format the drive and start fresh.
Check your bios settings also making sure secureboot, fastboot and any other setting that pertains to booting is off, the various flavours of windows have deep roots.
Personally, I can't STAND "g-nome"... Iv'e tried it seriously- even found a couple guys that could teach the ' workflow" in a way I liked- but I just can't get into do it -- so can't stand it.!! So- let gnome get independent.. trash should stand alone anyway...
People who like Windows might like Linux Mint a whole lot more unlike Microsoft they listen to their supporters and use donation services that run the program Microsoft needs to take notes because Windows is gonna be dead once people start making the switch because of less harsh upgrade requirements.
I had Linux Mint on my laptop for years, but now I'm going to dual boot my main PC and have Mint be the default. Windows can go to hell
Asus VivoBook 16x (32GB, i7, RTX4700) + LMDE6 + Docker Desktop + multiple (2) external monitors = freez all after ~15-20 min. I suspect that nvidia is seriously damaging something, because (to my surprise) there are many problems with external monitors. Not only LMDE6 (Because of core 6, core 5 is not taken) but also Windows. Double loading.
And so I can't switch to the new laptop and two external monitors (1080) for half a year because of stability. It's a computer for work, so I can't spend the nth hour a day solving PC problems. That's why ASUS has been standing aside for half a year.
"Gnome is good on itself"... Right. Go on and use Gnome without any extensions as your daily machine and then come back to tell me how it's 'good'. Gnome is unusable.
I've been using Fedora Silverblue for quite some time and it's pretty great for my needs.
Maybe 5 years ago, GNOME is actually really good right now.
@RealOny are you kidding me? Current gnome is a dumpster fire and they keep stripping away very basic and essential functionalities away. Gnome is easily the worst DE today.
GNOME has become awful over the last few years. When I first started in linux it was the only desktop worth using now it is just frustrating to use. I agree that Cinnamon is now the best. Some love KDE plasma 6 but, the same as you I try other desktops and soon end up back on Cinnamon. Same for Distro's I usually end up back on Mint. However Im leaning more towards DE now because I believe Mint is better off without Ubuntu.
You can change the desktop environment on Mint. I am running Linux Mint 21.2 with the KDE desktop. It's a beautiful desktop and everything is working great.
LED Overload.
Ok
Gnome - "at least we're not kde"
I may have been un-subscribed from the channel, this has happened to me with a few other channels.
its cos hes a Christian