Speak 'The Truth.' There is only one Truth. Oprah's phrase 'Your Truth' is usually lies and stupid theories - opposite of reality and facts. Learn the truth = facts.
The problem is, as I see it, that too many people think that they know the truth when they actually don’t. What is true is in much question when we consider quantum.
I lied to my parents and sibling about my graduation grades but I can't bear it anymore so I have decided to tell it them today. I did this because I didn't want them to be sad and may I was a coward but I have realized that it's better, to tell the truth, whatever the circumstances may be.
Neharika Chauhan I’ve lied terribly during rough periods of my life. Admitting fully to my lie changed something deep inside me. And I realised this before I heard jbp saying this. What happened to me is exactly what he’s talking about.
What a powerful and true soul ... I am so lucky to have found Dr Peterson ... Only by following his speeches and his lectures I am becoming a better person ... God bless you Doctor! deep love and respect from me.
I have been lying to everyone i know to try and get ahead for as long as I can remember...trying to be cool and better than others and trying to make myself feel better.IT HASNT WORKED
danmac31300 Even if you feel that you need to try to step on others to get ahead, perhaps it’s part of your job or something, try to not lie. You’ll be able to tell the difference in yourself.
"I have believed, therefore have I spoken; but I have been humbled exceedingly. I said in my excess: "Every man is a liar!" What shall I render to the Lord, for all the things he hath rendered unto me? I will take the chalice of salvation; and I will call upon the name of the Lord. I will pay my vows to the Lord before all his people: Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of his saints. O Lord, for I am thy servant: I am thy servant, and the son of thy handmaid. Thou hast broken my bonds: I will sacrifice to thee the sacrifice of praise, and I will call upon the name of the Lord." (Ps 115:10-17)
living in truth is a blessing and a curse. BUT, the curse is overcome by having a clearer conscious. The curse part is that there is so many that dont live in truth, they cant handle you. The truth confuses people, because they are so indoctrinated, and treat the truthful person with contempt. If you are a person lives in truth, carry on living in truth. Dont let anyone change that course.
Willow Moon Well said. When I chose to stop willingly lying to myself about a year and a half ago, I gained a new respect for myself and also found that my memory of the past became clearer!!
At my Church there is a song the children sing in their Sunday school classes entitled, "Do What is Right...Let the Consequences Follow." In truth, it is the adults who need the encouragement as children are natural truth-tellers and are oblivious to the consequences.
I have been lying to my parents about my scores in comeptitive exam ... I told them I am getting 580/720 ... Which is not true because I didn't even give the examination ... And I have my final exam tomorrow ... I feel so much anxiety .... And the lie is eating me up now ... Today I have decided to tell the truth to my parents .... Please motivate me a little
Samad Hoosen You're welcome. It was such a brilliant nugget of his, hidden in this interview with Roaming Millennial. I knew I had to share it with others! Really hope it's helped you
Don’t use the language to get what you want. Tell the truth as clearly as possible and see what happens. Then, why should you even bother telling the truth? If you keep telling lies to yourself and others, you'll warp your psyche and all the systems embedded in you. Life is suffering. There are 2 ways to encountering obstacles in life. One is the path of ideology and righteousness. Another is the path of telling the truth. Start by assuming that most of the things you say and think are not yours. It’s hard to say what you think is yours. Tell what you think as clearly and carefully as possible, then listen and feel. Pay attention to the words you say, and figure out how you feel. Do they make you feel weak or strong? If they make you more powerful, you can keep saying it. If you feel weaker than before, however, carefully reformulate the words so that they can make you feel aligned. The more you feel aligned with your words you say, the more you're able to withstand pains in life without being corrupted.
If you are used to lying or at least going along to get along, it definitely won't feel good at first to start telling what seems to you to be the "real" truth. It will feel like you're leaving your body/about to be killed, but i suppose doing that is the only way through to eventual strength and losing all the neurotic fear...?
99ladders The feeling of being proud of yourself covers a lot of ills though. I only came to truly like myself for the first time in my life when I owned up to my own lies, admitted them to my nearest and dearest and then found that there were further depths to my self deception... which I then admitted and owned fully.
Ephesians 6:10-18King James Version (KJV) 10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: 18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
Speak 'The Truth.' There is only one Truth. Oprah's phrase 'Your Truth' is usually lies and stupid theories - opposite of reality and facts. Learn the truth = facts.
Not sure it's your place to divulge it because then you'll have to deal with the fall out. But just don't lie, that's the message peterson is essentially saying here.
About ten years ago I realized I was a filthy liar.To myself.I realized that as much as I loathed to lie to others I was lying to myslef constantly. I once read that "Denial is the Achille's heel of human nature"The problem is ,when we lie to others,we know right away,but we generally never notice lying to ourself.Perhaps we have an intwgrity mechanism and a sense of morality that has us constantly monitoring our behaviour to others but never our behaviour to ourselves.I wonder if it is the outcome of a christian upbringing.I have to remind myself not "To do to myself what I wouldn't do to others" besides not doing to others what I wouldn't want them to do to me.Actually I believe Chrisitanity has been very toxic to me.I think that perhaps every Christian feels the unconscious desire to be crucified to emulate Jesus.There is a glorification of suffering that is totally sick in Christianity.It infuse us with a mish mash of guilt,a need to repay,and a desire to suffer.Just look at what you see when you enter a church,some poor bastard covered in blood on an instrument of torture,his face twisted in agony and helplessness.How freaking empowering!!!
janjanajan janana I'll give an example. I lied to myself last year that I was catching up with an old friend and not telling my then boyfriend about it. I didn't touch the friend but it's still lying and deceit. I just blocked out that what I was doing was wrong. I believed my own justifications for why I was doing it. My boyfriend was awful to me but that was no excuse for me to willingly lie to myself and him.
I think you personify the suffering of Christ rather than realize for what it is. You can't, for some reason, separate the two. And you shouldn't feel guilt after a good confession ;) That would be wrong.
You missed the point of REDEMPTIVE LOVE AND SACRIFICE FOR THE SAKE OF ATONEMENT all together. - it is not about OUR suffering, but what HE DID FOR US. - get that very very straight in your mind & soul.
Prophet Muhammad said: "Truthfulness leads to righteousness, and righteousness leads to Paradise. And a man keeps on telling the truth until he becomes a truthful person. Falsehood leads to wickedness (evil-doing), and wickedness leads to the Hell Fire, and a man may keep on telling lies till he is written before ALLAH (GOD), a liar."
@@altnarrative All you are saying is nonsense and yu don't have any solid proof of that. Have you ever sought why there is more and more women who convert to Islam than men ?
I would say so yes. The problem as I see it though is that it is much easier to be honest before one has transgressions that will result in negative consequences. A serial killer coming upon this wisdom would be less inclined to apply it than a rosy cheeked conservative farm boy. Of course as a wise man once told me we are more attached to our suffering than our pleasures so I am likely just making excuses to preserve the order I know rather than engaging the ever wearying chaos to be sorted.
What about lying in the service of being a monster? Being a monster is a requirement to move forward on one's journey according to Peterson. I've heard Peterson praise heroes that had to become thieves in order to achieve their goals. Surely there are instances in which lying might play a similar role.
really awesome important lesson in life to learn. But I have one question: to what extent should one tell the truth? I mean what if there a possibility of feeling guilty after telling the truth to someone, eventhough it does not feel like one has dissociated themselves or their psyche?? I hope there a good answer to that
If you speak truthfully about painful things that happened to you in the past (and still affect you), but it makes you feel weak, how does this fit in with his statements?
"Don't lie to yourself because it warps you; it warps the structure of reality itself." Point of order: Lies don't warp the structure of reality, they warp the "perceived" structure of reality. The underlying structure is indelible and immovable, that's why you come crashing down upon it when you try to prop yourself up with fabrications and fantasies. I know that's what Peterson is talking about but he's not being precise with his speech and falling into using old rhetoric that doesn't actually make sense upon examination.
I like Jordan Peterson very much, and I listen to his lectures often. I have a lot of respect for his opinions. Maybe I don't understand his argument here. I've listened to this clip, literally, more than 50 times. I've looked up his longer lectures where he puts it in context and listened to those several times. So I don't know, maybe I'm missing something here, but there are many places in this world where, if you tell the truth, you or someone else WILL die. Or be mutilated. Or your family member will be killed or mutilated or violated in front of your very eyes. So one can only assume that you cannot take this advice as a black on white argument. And yet he seems to present it that way. There is a heavy, heavy price to be paid for the truth in certain circumstances. And whether or not that price is more expensive than telling a lie - that has to be evaluated on a case by case basis. I mean, only the person who risked telling the truth , or whatever their definition of the truth was at that time, will be able to answer that question. And over time, there could be additional consequences, horrific consequences, to telling the truth that you did not foresee. How will you feel then? You cannot create a theory to answer that question for every one who has ever dared to tell the truth. Telling the truth can destroy another person's psyche. Telling the truth at the wrong time can do irreparable damage. Plus, many people don't even have the social skills or communicative skills to tell the truth. I understand where he's coming from, that lying is ultimately the cause of all suffering. And that if you don't stand up for yourself, and say what you think, you will be trampled on. That is a very valid argument. But to say that the truth will be what saves you...this may sound bitter, but the only thing that might save you from the onslaught of life is amnesia.
Heidi Swart one of his quotes is "you tell the truth, your truth then you see what happens and decide, this is the act of faith, that that is the best possible outcome that can happen."
This at it's heart is about learning to not deceive yourself, it's at the level of the individual. If telling the truth puts your life immediately in danger, then it's just common sense, to keep your mouth shut. "over time, there could be additional consequences." This is another given. Life is a risk. However, we must try and mediate that risk. "Maybe I don't understand his argument here" This isn't so much an argument as it is a claim that is also a piece of advice. He has his reasons for believing this to be true but there is no in depth here. If you'd like that, I'd suggest reading Maps of Meaning for the arguments.
OR, you go through it, and learn from the experience. Because all in all, life is a series of lessons, and whether or not those lessons are good or bad are completely up to you. A
In some other video he said there are different levels of truth. There is the truth of what is correct and incorrect, but there is sometimes a higher truth, such as the truth that human life is valuable. Imagine the classic scenario in which murderers are asking you where an innocent person is hiding so they can kill him. You could be telling the truth at the very basic level, but if there is a higher level, i.e. that human life is valuable and worth protecting, then you have to sacrifice the lower level of truth in order to uphold the higher. Or you could say that you sacrifice truth at the level of words in order to be true at the level of your actions. This can kind of sound like a way to morally cleanse yourself and permitting yourself to lie, but your lie should also withstand Jordan's second test (which he mentions in this video), that it has to make you feel strong. If telling the truth about where the innocent man was hiding made you feel weak, then you violated your truth. Remember that truth is subjective to some extent, and that truth is sometimes (often) beyond words, it is also actions.
normalguycap I don’t know but she was so annoying, cutting him off all the time. That’s why I made this edited version. And yeah, I told her she butchered the interview. She replied so at least she knows.
I hope you take something from it. I bought a laptop just to be able to edit this gold into a clip of one Petersons interviews. I knew that it was worth the spend because this information needs to get out. :)
What about when you're in an extremely religious family n you love them but you're not religious (which is unacceptable). Do you tell the truth? Btw it feels like my whole life is a lie because my family has no idea about who I am as a person. And I risk losing them forever.
I would say to work on the being centred in your being, then speak honestly. We have to be careful that we don't take peterson to mean truth in the sense of objective truth. He means more "honestly" here.
Anyways here is a silly question, let's just say you were asked to tell how your friends new born baby looks like and you think (he looks ugly) would you rather say the truth or lie?
I've thought about this before, especially with the question "do I look fat in this"! I would still adhere to telling my truth but for me, it's about wording it. I would say, "it doesn't matter what I think" if asked about if someone looked fat. With an ugly child, I would say "all children are sweet" or something.
B Ferrara Fair enough. So if you didn't believe all children were sweet, you'd say something like "it doesn't matter what I think" or make a joke or something. We never have to tell little lies. You could even just say the total truth that the child looks ugly to me but it may change when it gets older, or something.
I disagree with this. It's what people try to do when they need control over a life which is nothing but flux and change. \What I would say as a matter of change is to stop being so black/white about this topic. Try to accept the very difficult truth of life; it's not suffering, it's not pleasure, it's not pain, it's not happiness; it's all of those and none of those at any given time; it's fleeting; it's becoming and not being. The attempt here is to make life being and not becoming; to make life totally concrete and not flux; to remove everything except your truth in that moment and then you have a firm shore to step foot on. May I suggest that we are unmoorred; no shore to see; no coast on the horizon. This is not to say that we lie continually, that would be the same as stripping away everything save your truth. It is to say that life is both chaos and certainty; being AND becoming; knowing and not knowing. No one would want a life of absolute certainty, where we know, from birth, everything that is going to happen before it does; when our first kiss is; when we are to be fired; when our first child is born; when we have a heart attack and die; etc. Who would want to live that life? That is what you are grasping for when you eliminate lies. On the other hand, no one wants a life of pure chaos; to wake up and every time you open your eyes it you see different colors, shapes, and situations than you have ever seen with reality sliding all around on you. That is lying all the time. Where life is and how it is lived as defined by our actions in society is somewhere in between. Where that balance is is determined both by each individual and by society en masse. What hell is is to not know how to fit into this web of social interaction or to be told that you do not fit, that you are broken, because you do not act in the fashion that you are supposed to. You are not broken! You are not different from birth! Be who you are authentically and operate how you feel; you are the one who makes society as much as anyone else; your actions, beliefs, thoughts, will, drives, and desires; ACT on these and let the chips fall where they may. Too many people have this twice-removed-I-need-to-know-if-this-is-right-before-I-act mentality. This is a learned behavior and wrong! As Goethe said, in the beginning was not the Word; in the beginning was hte action! ACT and exert yourself on the world! You probably will lose but at least you will have enacted your will and played hte game that is life instead of looking form the "outside" in and trying to "learn the rules." 'Man would rather will nothing than not will at all.' That's hell, you are not willing anything, you are simply sitting back and trying to control the world in its totality and manifest the impossible before you start to play, like to hold back the tide of life before you swim; there is nothing concrete forever so only truth earns you nothing. The certainty you have is what it is and it rest on a foundation of uncertainty. Lie, cheat, steal, but do it in correct proportions that do not get you too punished by society en masse or so that you do not hurt what little concrete you have so that it goes away. Language is a tool and to say "THIS" is its true and proper function is nonsense. It's "true and proper function" is whatever it is being used for in society at present. Here's a question, what if the truth is what all the physicist say, that we are just on a Pale Blue Dot in a vast sea of nothingness. That there is no teleology; we are not special; no God(s) nothing but a randomly occurring, novel, intelligent species who questions their own existence and creates fanciful answers to pointless questions? Would life be better under an illusion; any illusion? Or is the stark, naked, cold, absolute, totalizing, objective truth of all and every situation the best possible outcome and always? If oyur answer is yes, the truth now and always! how does one come to that answer? Can one use the scientific method to prove the truth is more valuable than a lie always? Does one use rationality and non-fallaciously? Does one depend on sources which cannot in and of themselves be verified as the truth? Just act.
Jordan's lesson of attuning to speech with honesty and learning to optimize the execution of that speech is invaluable. This is powerful.
Joseph R For me, it's his central tenet. If we do nothing else, we need to speak out truth as best as we can.
Speak 'The Truth.' There is only one Truth. Oprah's phrase 'Your Truth' is usually lies and stupid theories - opposite of reality and facts. Learn the truth = facts.
The problem is, as I see it, that too many people think that they know the truth when they actually don’t.
What is true is in much question when we consider quantum.
Deciding to not be arrogant is the same as deciding not to lie. Being a good person is the same as telling the truth.
I lied to my parents and sibling about my graduation grades but I can't bear it anymore so I have decided to tell it them today. I did this because I didn't want them to be sad and may I was a coward but I have realized that it's better, to tell the truth, whatever the circumstances may be.
Neharika Chauhan I’ve lied terribly during rough periods of my life. Admitting fully to my lie changed something deep inside me. And I realised this before I heard jbp saying this. What happened to me is exactly what he’s talking about.
@Alt Narrative as Nietzsche said, if you have been hurt by reality, you will lie to escape reality
you''re disowned or what now
I wish I could give this a thousand thumbs up.
K. Nelson Thanks! These words sang to my soul when I first heard them. I hope these truths here help you and yours
I agree,
What a powerful and true soul ... I am so lucky to have found Dr Peterson ... Only by following his speeches and his lectures I am becoming a better person ... God bless you Doctor! deep love and respect from me.
What a VALUABLE teacher Dr. Peterson is!!!! Thank you for ALL of your videos.
Everyone should see this video at least once.
Vassili Zinchenko I personally think it’s the best thing he’s ever said.
Thank you for introducing me to Peterson
This helped me so much I can't even describe it. I'm nearly crying.
You are awesome Jordan. Thanks for helping so many of us.
I have been lying to everyone i know to try and get ahead for as long as I can remember...trying to be cool and better than others and trying to make myself feel better.IT HASNT WORKED
danmac31300 Even if you feel that you need to try to step on others to get ahead, perhaps it’s part of your job or something, try to not lie. You’ll be able to tell the difference in yourself.
"I have believed,
therefore have I spoken;
but I have been humbled exceedingly.
I said in my excess:
"Every man is a liar!"
What shall I render to the Lord,
for all the things he hath rendered unto me?
I will take the chalice of salvation;
and I will call upon the name of the Lord.
I will pay my vows to the Lord
before all his people:
Precious in the sight of the Lord
is the death of his saints.
O Lord, for I am thy servant:
I am thy servant, and the son of thy handmaid.
Thou hast broken my bonds:
I will sacrifice to thee the sacrifice of praise,
and I will call upon the name of the Lord."
(Ps 115:10-17)
Illuminating video, thanks
living in truth is a blessing and a curse. BUT, the curse is overcome by having a clearer conscious. The curse part is that there is so many that dont live in truth, they cant handle you. The truth confuses people, because they are so indoctrinated, and treat the truthful person with contempt. If you are a person lives in truth, carry on living in truth. Dont let anyone change that course.
Willow Moon Well said. When I chose to stop willingly lying to myself about a year and a half ago, I gained a new respect for myself and also found that my memory of the past became clearer!!
At my Church there is a song the children sing in their Sunday school classes entitled, "Do What is Right...Let the Consequences Follow." In truth, it is the adults who need the encouragement as children are natural truth-tellers and are oblivious to the consequences.
Thar nearly made me cry
thank you sir, that is a really helpful comment
Jordan is a beacon of light in a confused suffering world I hope one day to come close to his level of thinking.
I have been lying to my parents about my scores in comeptitive exam ... I told them I am getting 580/720 ... Which is not true because I didn't even give the examination ... And I have my final exam tomorrow ... I feel so much anxiety .... And the lie is eating me up now ... Today I have decided to tell the truth to my parents .... Please motivate me a little
a genuine message from a clearly genuine man
Thanks for sharing uploader
Samad Hoosen You're welcome. It was such a brilliant nugget of his, hidden in this interview with Roaming Millennial. I knew I had to share it with others! Really hope it's helped you
LOVE IT.
Living this way is the same as what Christians call living "The Will of God" ... not your will but God's Will.
.... sometimes people like to protect others
Just stunning
Amén
Wow! Thank you.
I hope Jordan's wisdom here stays with you.
Don’t use the language to get what you want. Tell the truth as clearly as possible and see what happens. Then, why should you even bother telling the truth? If you keep telling lies to yourself and others, you'll warp your psyche and all the systems embedded in you.
Life is suffering. There are 2 ways to encountering obstacles in life. One is the path of ideology and righteousness. Another is the path of telling the truth. Start by assuming that most of the things you say and think are not yours. It’s hard to say what you think is yours. Tell what you think as clearly and carefully as possible, then listen and feel. Pay attention to the words you say, and figure out how you feel. Do they make you feel weak or strong? If they make you more powerful, you can keep saying it. If you feel weaker than before, however, carefully reformulate the words so that they can make you feel aligned. The more you feel aligned with your words you say, the more you're able to withstand pains in life without being corrupted.
Profound.
Speak THE truth, not YOUR truth.
@Notya hm?
Say and observe things
If you are used to lying or at least going along to get along, it definitely won't feel good at first to start telling what seems to you to be the "real" truth. It will feel like you're leaving your body/about to be killed, but i suppose doing that is the only way through to eventual strength and losing all the neurotic fear...?
99ladders The feeling of being proud of yourself covers a lot of ills though. I only came to truly like myself for the first time in my life when I owned up to my own lies, admitted them to my nearest and dearest and then found that there were further depths to my self deception... which I then admitted and owned fully.
Sometimes parts of you need to die so that new parts of you can be reborn.
Saying that I"m the greatest person ever makes me feel stronger. therefore I should keep saying it :)
Bring centred on your being and the strength that comes from that is entirely different from the strength of pride and ego.
What if I've told terrible lies and now I want to go back , can I never go back? Will I be like this forever?
Find your centre then speak honestly.
I loveee him
“A complex man drawing out for simplicity”. Common Sense
What if the truth is so unacceptable by the society?
Then the society will eventually collapse.
Eddie's Psychoanalysis can you provide an example and define “so unacceptable” relative to your example
Angelina does that include you?
That is the moment when the truth is absolutely needed.
“In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”
― George Orwell
Ephesians 6:10-18King James Version (KJV) 10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For
we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities,
against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world,
against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore
take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand
in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: 18 Praying
always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching
thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
Speak 'The Truth.' There is only one Truth. Oprah's phrase 'Your Truth' is usually lies and stupid theories - opposite of reality and facts. Learn the truth = facts.
Can you help me to how should I tell the truth of someone's death to one from which the matter was kept aside for 1 year
Not sure it's your place to divulge it because then you'll have to deal with the fall out. But just don't lie, that's the message peterson is essentially saying here.
About ten years ago I realized I was a filthy liar.To myself.I realized that as much as I loathed to lie to others I was lying to myslef constantly.
I once read that "Denial is the Achille's heel of human nature"The problem is ,when we lie to others,we know right away,but we generally never notice lying to ourself.Perhaps we have an intwgrity mechanism and a sense of morality that has us constantly monitoring our behaviour to others but never our behaviour to ourselves.I wonder if it is the outcome of a christian upbringing.I have to remind myself not "To do to myself what I wouldn't do to others" besides not doing to others what I wouldn't want them to do to me.Actually I believe Chrisitanity has been very toxic to me.I think that perhaps every Christian feels the unconscious desire to be crucified to emulate Jesus.There is a glorification of suffering that is totally sick in Christianity.It infuse us with a mish mash of guilt,a need to repay,and a desire to suffer.Just look at what you see when you enter a church,some poor bastard covered in blood on an instrument of torture,his face twisted in agony and helplessness.How freaking empowering!!!
The Mind In what way do we lie to yourself? I don't ubderstand how we can do that. Could you give me an example please?
janjanajan janana I'll give an example. I lied to myself last year that I was catching up with an old friend and not telling my then boyfriend about it. I didn't touch the friend but it's still lying and deceit. I just blocked out that what I was doing was wrong. I believed my own justifications for why I was doing it. My boyfriend was awful to me but that was no excuse for me to willingly lie to myself and him.
I think you personify the suffering of Christ rather than realize for what it is. You can't, for some reason, separate the two. And you shouldn't feel guilt after a good confession ;) That would be wrong.
You missed the point of REDEMPTIVE LOVE AND SACRIFICE FOR THE SAKE OF ATONEMENT all together. - it is not about OUR suffering, but what HE DID FOR US. - get that very very straight in your mind & soul.
Prophet Muhammad said: "Truthfulness leads to righteousness, and righteousness leads to Paradise. And a man keeps on telling the truth until he becomes a truthful person. Falsehood leads to wickedness (evil-doing), and wickedness leads to the Hell Fire, and a man may keep on telling lies till he is written before ALLAH (GOD), a liar."
Beautiful
Mo also said a lot of nonsense about goats, flying horses and beating women but not so badly that one leaves a mark.
@@altnarrative All you are saying is nonsense and yu don't have any solid proof of that. Have you ever sought why there is more and more women who convert to Islam than men ?
He is probably right but I started lying more than forty years ago ......not sure I can even ask questions of myself without lying
mrmugz A misery cage of your own making then
I would say so yes. The problem as I see it though is that it is much easier to be honest before one has transgressions that will result in negative consequences. A serial killer coming upon this wisdom would be less inclined to apply it than a rosy cheeked conservative farm boy. Of course as a wise man once told me we are more attached to our suffering than our pleasures so I am likely just making excuses to preserve the order I know rather than engaging the ever wearying chaos to be sorted.
You're lying to yourself when you say you can't stop lying.
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What about lying in the service of being a monster? Being a monster is a requirement to move forward on one's journey according to Peterson. I've heard Peterson praise heroes that had to become thieves in order to achieve their goals. Surely there are instances in which lying might play a similar role.
I don't get it. He comes off as an absolutist with lying, but it's ok to steal?
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The girl at the end spooked me lmao
I tried to edit her out as much as possible. She was annoying in this interview.
really awesome important lesson in life to learn. But I have one question: to what extent should one tell the truth? I mean what if there a possibility of feeling guilty after telling the truth to someone, eventhough it does not feel like one has dissociated themselves or their psyche?? I hope there a good answer to that
Maram Ben Rhouma Just start with not lying and see how you go. Don’t worry about the little details yet.
If you speak truthfully about painful things that happened to you in the past (and still affect you), but it makes you feel weak, how does this fit in with his statements?
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"Don't lie to yourself because it warps you; it warps the structure of reality itself."
Point of order: Lies don't warp the structure of reality, they warp the "perceived" structure of reality. The underlying structure is indelible and immovable, that's why you come crashing down upon it when you try to prop yourself up with fabrications and fantasies.
I know that's what Peterson is talking about but he's not being precise with his speech and falling into using old rhetoric that doesn't actually make sense upon examination.
[sic] i love the way he worded it, personally.
Have you ever deeply deceived yourself? Cause how he spoke of it is how I experienced it.
I like Jordan Peterson very much, and I listen to his lectures often. I have a lot of respect for his opinions. Maybe I don't understand his argument here. I've listened to this clip, literally, more than 50 times. I've looked up his longer lectures where he puts it in context and listened to those several times. So I don't know, maybe I'm missing something here, but there are many places in this world where, if you tell the truth, you or someone else WILL die. Or be mutilated. Or your family member will be killed or mutilated or violated in front of your very eyes. So one can only assume that you cannot take this advice as a black on white argument. And yet he seems to present it that way. There is a heavy, heavy price to be paid for the truth in certain circumstances. And whether or not that price is more expensive than telling a lie - that has to be evaluated on a case by case basis. I mean, only the person who risked telling the truth , or whatever their definition of the truth was at that time, will be able to answer that question. And over time, there could be additional consequences, horrific consequences, to telling the truth that you did not foresee. How will you feel then? You cannot create a theory to answer that question for every one who has ever dared to tell the truth. Telling the truth can destroy another person's psyche. Telling the truth at the wrong time can do irreparable damage. Plus, many people don't even have the social skills or communicative skills to tell the truth. I understand where he's coming from, that lying is ultimately the cause of all suffering. And that if you don't stand up for yourself, and say what you think, you will be trampled on. That is a very valid argument. But to say that the truth will be what saves you...this may sound bitter, but the only thing that might save you from the onslaught of life is amnesia.
Heidi Swart one of his quotes is "you tell the truth, your truth then you see what happens and decide, this is the act of faith, that that is the best possible outcome that can happen."
This at it's heart is about learning to not deceive yourself, it's at the level of the individual. If telling the truth puts your life immediately in danger, then it's just common sense, to keep your mouth shut.
"over time, there could be additional consequences."
This is another given. Life is a risk. However, we must try and mediate that risk.
"Maybe I don't understand his argument here"
This isn't so much an argument as it is a claim that is also a piece of advice. He has his reasons for believing this to be true but there is no in depth here.
If you'd like that, I'd suggest reading Maps of Meaning for the arguments.
OR, you go through it, and learn from the experience. Because all in all, life is a series of lessons, and whether or not those lessons are good or bad are completely up to you. A
In some other video he said there are different levels of truth. There is the truth of what is correct and incorrect, but there is sometimes a higher truth, such as the truth that human life is valuable. Imagine the classic scenario in which murderers are asking you where an innocent person is hiding so they can kill him. You could be telling the truth at the very basic level, but if there is a higher level, i.e. that human life is valuable and worth protecting, then you have to sacrifice the lower level of truth in order to uphold the higher. Or you could say that you sacrifice truth at the level of words in order to be true at the level of your actions. This can kind of sound like a way to morally cleanse yourself and permitting yourself to lie, but your lie should also withstand Jordan's second test (which he mentions in this video), that it has to make you feel strong. If telling the truth about where the innocent man was hiding made you feel weak, then you violated your truth. Remember that truth is subjective to some extent, and that truth is sometimes (often) beyond words, it is also actions.
Read the book "Radical Honesty" by Brad Blanton
Some examples of common lies we tell ourselves would've been helpful.
ModernPlague There are so many. Just ask yourself what lies you tell.
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How did she get this interview with him?
normalguycap I don’t know but she was so annoying, cutting him off all the time. That’s why I made this edited version. And yeah, I told her she butchered the interview. She replied so at least she knows.
wow really good 5 minute watch
I hope you take something from it. I bought a laptop just to be able to edit this gold into a clip of one Petersons interviews. I knew that it was worth the spend because this information needs to get out. :)
@@altnarrative it sure does
i want him totalk when it is the right move to lie in varying scenarios
TripleC he’s spoken about it before. If telling the truth will put you in imminent danger, you probably don’t want to do it.
But whenever possible, just refrain from answering so you don’t have to utter a lie.
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What about when you're in an extremely religious family n you love them but you're not religious (which is unacceptable).
Do you tell the truth?
Btw it feels like my whole life is a lie because my family has no idea about who I am as a person. And I risk losing them forever.
I would say to work on the being centred in your being, then speak honestly.
We have to be careful that we don't take peterson to mean truth in the sense of objective truth. He means more "honestly" here.
It would be great if you could do a talk on exactly what cognitive dissonance is and how it works in scientific rather than mythological terms.
Anyways here is a silly question, let's just say you were asked to tell how your friends new born baby looks like and you think (he looks ugly) would you rather say the truth or lie?
I've thought about this before, especially with the question "do I look fat in this"! I would still adhere to telling my truth but for me, it's about wording it. I would say, "it doesn't matter what I think" if asked about if someone looked fat. With an ugly child, I would say "all children are sweet" or something.
Alt Narrative but that's another lie, because not all children are sweet. And some are downright evil.
B Ferrara Fair enough. So if you didn't believe all children were sweet, you'd say something like "it doesn't matter what I think" or make a joke or something. We never have to tell little lies. You could even just say the total truth that the child looks ugly to me but it may change when it gets older, or something.
Jordan peterson actually quoted this question in one of his other videos and he said the correct answer would be, "I dont answer questions like that."
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Like when he was high on benzos
anyone fancy translating this into spanish please ...
Too much morality in my opinion. I prefer Will to Power to his moral integrity thing.
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I disagree with this. It's what people try to do when they need control over a life which is nothing but flux and change.
\What I would say as a matter of change is to stop being so black/white about this topic. Try to accept the very difficult truth of life; it's not suffering, it's not pleasure, it's not pain, it's not happiness; it's all of those and none of those at any given time; it's fleeting; it's becoming and not being.
The attempt here is to make life being and not becoming; to make life totally concrete and not flux; to remove everything except your truth in that moment and then you have a firm shore to step foot on. May I suggest that we are unmoorred; no shore to see; no coast on the horizon.
This is not to say that we lie continually, that would be the same as stripping away everything save your truth. It is to say that life is both chaos and certainty; being AND becoming; knowing and not knowing. No one would want a life of absolute certainty, where we know, from birth, everything that is going to happen before it does; when our first kiss is; when we are to be fired; when our first child is born; when we have a heart attack and die; etc. Who would want to live that life? That is what you are grasping for when you eliminate lies. On the other hand, no one wants a life of pure chaos; to wake up and every time you open your eyes it you see different colors, shapes, and situations than you have ever seen with reality sliding all around on you. That is lying all the time.
Where life is and how it is lived as defined by our actions in society is somewhere in between. Where that balance is is determined both by each individual and by society en masse. What hell is is to not know how to fit into this web of social interaction or to be told that you do not fit, that you are broken, because you do not act in the fashion that you are supposed to. You are not broken! You are not different from birth! Be who you are authentically and operate how you feel; you are the one who makes society as much as anyone else; your actions, beliefs, thoughts, will, drives, and desires; ACT on these and let the chips fall where they may. Too many people have this twice-removed-I-need-to-know-if-this-is-right-before-I-act mentality. This is a learned behavior and wrong! As Goethe said, in the beginning was not the Word; in the beginning was hte action! ACT and exert yourself on the world! You probably will lose but at least you will have enacted your will and played hte game that is life instead of looking form the "outside" in and trying to "learn the rules."
'Man would rather will nothing than not will at all.' That's hell, you are not willing anything, you are simply sitting back and trying to control the world in its totality and manifest the impossible before you start to play, like to hold back the tide of life before you swim; there is nothing concrete forever so only truth earns you nothing. The certainty you have is what it is and it rest on a foundation of uncertainty. Lie, cheat, steal, but do it in correct proportions that do not get you too punished by society en masse or so that you do not hurt what little concrete you have so that it goes away. Language is a tool and to say "THIS" is its true and proper function is nonsense. It's "true and proper function" is whatever it is being used for in society at present.
Here's a question, what if the truth is what all the physicist say, that we are just on a Pale Blue Dot in a vast sea of nothingness. That there is no teleology; we are not special; no God(s) nothing but a randomly occurring, novel, intelligent species who questions their own existence and creates fanciful answers to pointless questions? Would life be better under an illusion; any illusion? Or is the stark, naked, cold, absolute, totalizing, objective truth of all and every situation the best possible outcome and always? If oyur answer is yes, the truth now and always! how does one come to that answer? Can one use the scientific method to prove the truth is more valuable than a lie always? Does one use rationality and non-fallaciously? Does one depend on sources which cannot in and of themselves be verified as the truth?
Just act.
True is that no one knows shit here :D
Hormones When you get down to brass tacks, none of us know anything other than our own awareness.
Ironically, Peterson himself is constantly lying.
Åke son Can you give some examples?