Chris Harris Drives: Porsche 911R Vs Peugeot 205 Rallye | Top Gear

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  • Опубликовано: 22 ноя 2024

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  • @BosnishMaffia
    @BosnishMaffia 7 лет назад +2155

    Chris Harris just raised the price of the Peugeot 205 by 200 % 😂😂

    • @deldridg
      @deldridg 7 лет назад +26

      BosnishMaffia My thoughts exactly. I considered checking out the classifieds for one as a toy but, as you rightly say... :-)

    • @pgn666
      @pgn666 7 лет назад +57

      205 rallye was priced high, even before this episode :)

    • @pgn666
      @pgn666 7 лет назад

      www.mobile.de/pl/samochod/peugeot-205-rallye/vhc:car,ms1:19300_7_rallye

    • @janosch8145
      @janosch8145 7 лет назад +8

      Yeah, i've got a 205 CTI 1.9!

    • @dreammfyre
      @dreammfyre 7 лет назад +3

      BosnishMaffia Zlatans next car?

  • @AdrianosClassicGarage
    @AdrianosClassicGarage 7 лет назад +1394

    I really appreciate videos from a true car guy like Chris.

    • @rudolfvanderven
      @rudolfvanderven 7 лет назад +61

      Was about to say this. I don't think anyone expected Top Gear to exist longer than a year after the three spoilt kids had left, but thanks to Chris I actually enjoy Top Gear more than I used to!

    • @tidez4424
      @tidez4424 7 лет назад +4

      Likewise

    • @rosscanning9040
      @rosscanning9040 7 лет назад +3

      Adriano's Classic 500 i

    • @00ruva00
      @00ruva00 7 лет назад +3

      Adriano's Classic 500 true

    • @Jay-ru3mu
      @Jay-ru3mu 7 лет назад

      you would appreciate it would'nt you Adriano you dont pay for it Eu parasite :) :)

  • @tmh44
    @tmh44 7 лет назад +41

    Chris gets it--driving isn't about speed or numbers, it's about the experience and the FEEL of the thing. Running a scrappy hot hatch down a back road is one of life's greatest pleasures.

    • @joshbacon8241
      @joshbacon8241 3 года назад +4

      Proof that you don’t need a million horsepower to have huge amounts of fun driving a car!

    • @Piazzalanza-ls6lv
      @Piazzalanza-ls6lv 3 месяца назад

      La 205 rallye non era una berlinetta scadenza anzi per quello che pagavi CAVALLI LIRE era un affare

  • @drivewaystar6485
    @drivewaystar6485 7 лет назад +919

    Driving slow cars quickly is so much more fun than driving fast cars slowly

    • @ajw1045
      @ajw1045 7 лет назад +50

      James May says the same. You can drive Hatchbacks on the limit more. Driving can be alot more fun then. You can have a much faster 458 driving on these roads, but because it's so technical and does alot for you if you think about it, it misses that pure pure driving experience like this 205 has.

    • @MichaelSeeds
      @MichaelSeeds 7 лет назад +10

      it is true, I have a impreza spec c and a 1.6 impreza. I love the 1.6 just as much.

    • @00ruva00
      @00ruva00 7 лет назад +1

      Joey Komosa so true

    • @hashim11989
      @hashim11989 7 лет назад +28

      I heard this about motorbikes and as I get faster and faster I appreciate how much the slow bikes make you work and how much they reward you. I don't care about speed, I don't care to have the latest and greatest tech, I love driving for the essence of it.

    • @deathcab4booty
      @deathcab4booty 7 лет назад +19

      The fun level goes, in order from most fun to least fun:
      • Fast car fast
      • Slow car fast
      • Fast car medium
      • Fast car slow

  • @gotzvonberlichingen8588
    @gotzvonberlichingen8588 5 лет назад +111

    Peugeot got a handbrake, Porsche not.
    Peugeot: 1
    Porsche: 0

  • @nunzioamitrano2232
    @nunzioamitrano2232 7 лет назад +329

    Chris is in a league of his own as a motoring journalist

    • @alphalobster8021
      @alphalobster8021 7 лет назад +2

      Nunzio Amitrano savagegeese is THE man at the other end of the car spectrum.

    • @kl75182
      @kl75182 7 лет назад +2

      I also really like Jethro from Drivetribe, he was at EVO before

    • @youbian
      @youbian 5 лет назад +1

      We can thank his camera crew as well.

    • @domzbu
      @domzbu 4 года назад +1

      Carfection and Henry catchpole is good too

  • @douglaspealing5608
    @douglaspealing5608 7 лет назад +38

    This video basically reinforces what I've been trying to tell my mates for years now. It's not about how fast your car is on the public road, it's how involved you are in the driving process. Sure, on track I'd take any one of my mates cars over mine, but I can have just as much fun with a lot less danger to my licence as they can, for a lot less money... on the public road at least. When your doing 95km/h and redlining your 1.5 diesel, on the limit of adhesion with your doorhandles on the road, left foot braking, heel and toe, trail braking, everything you've got just trying to keep up with your mate in his Subaru WRX, and hold on to the car as it moves around underneath you, you finish the drive, with the car hotter than hot, the brakes gone and yourself knackered, with the biggest grin in the world. Not because you managed to keep up with him, although that is partly it, but because of how involved you were in the process of keeping up, completely focused on nailing that apex, holding the slight loss of traction, managing the understeer and enjoying the oversteer, it really is hard to explain.

    • @robair67
      @robair67 2 года назад

      Couldn't have put it any better myself!

  • @neohimself
    @neohimself 7 лет назад +196

    Chris is incredible, really takes the focus away from numbers (which are irrelevant most of the time) to feelings when you drive (which is the most important most of the time). well done :)

    • @deldridg
      @deldridg 7 лет назад +13

      neohimself My sentiments exactly. Big numbers mean a lot less than raw emotive engagement. I remember moving from a Ducati ST2 to a new CBR1100 many years ago. Far more capable, tons more torque/hp, far quicker but nowhere near the emotional experience. I guess the biggest numbers win for those who haven't yet really cottoned on to the driving spirit.

    • @paullefrancois6585
      @paullefrancois6585 7 лет назад +1

      That's why it's always better to test a car before buying it ^^

  • @harmtijssens
    @harmtijssens 7 лет назад +671

    Chris Harris is in a class of his own, keep up the good work!

    • @wernerderwerners
      @wernerderwerners 7 лет назад +17

      Yeah...he is the only reason why I continue to watch topgear

    • @Redzo79
      @Redzo79 7 лет назад +2

      Guy has charisma of a tractor.

  • @erikhertzer8434
    @erikhertzer8434 6 лет назад +11

    Harris is the single greatest car reviewer alive today...articulate, brilliant behind the wheel, personable...humorous....hes got it all. Deserves his own network show.

  • @suderp8583
    @suderp8583 7 лет назад +127

    This is a more serious approach to car reviews, which is pretty enjoyable

    • @dougrobinson8602
      @dougrobinson8602 7 лет назад +6

      It also helps owners of less than supercar, but yet still fun cars to not feel like they're missing out because they are not mega rich. So many video reviewers fawn over the latest 0-60 in 2.8 second wonder and seem oblivious to the fact that they are generally owned by people who can barely drive them, or car flippers who don't love them. There should be more vids along the lines of "Most satisfying cars you can buy for ten grand".

  • @dominodon81
    @dominodon81 7 лет назад +4

    Chris is the model example of a true Car enthusiast. He reminds us constantly that being a car enthusiast is about chasing the driving experience, rather than trying to be that guy with more horsepower than everybody else. Of course, that perfect driving experience will be different from driver to driver, but that's the beauty of it. Drive what makes you happy, not what catches everyone else's attention, or meets the approval of others.

  • @TheCloudhopper
    @TheCloudhopper 7 лет назад +34

    Watch at 2:18 Yes, he just did that. There is a lot of substance behind it when this man talks. Chris we love you!

  • @IULENZA
    @IULENZA 7 лет назад +637

    This is THE proof that Chris is the best car journalist ever

    • @カズ-k7p8j
      @カズ-k7p8j 7 лет назад

      Andre Tennis こー

    • @claudiomunoz471
      @claudiomunoz471 7 лет назад +9

      Every video he makes is proof

    • @ajay0841
      @ajay0841 7 лет назад

      and his insane disease of plugging porsches. even from his pre-top gear videos.

    • @topfitnessssss
      @topfitnessssss 7 лет назад +8

      U think so ?? What's ur problem ? lol How do u define arrogance really ? He's explaining us the way it feels in a joyful passionate way unless Clarkson who's a true arrogant lil prick !! Open ur eyes ..

    • @DennisH22A
      @DennisH22A 7 лет назад +12

      hard NOT to plug porsches when they are so good most of the time. I got to drive an old cayman once and it was pretty darn awesome

  • @fernandorodrigues1939
    @fernandorodrigues1939 7 лет назад +448

    Chris just demonstrated what I have being trying to tell al my mate, speed is not every thing, the feeling and involvement is much more interesting for a great drive...
    But as usual it is just my opinion... I may and often am wrong! :)

    • @musiccylinderK6
      @musiccylinderK6 7 лет назад +23

      Part of why driving an oldtimer/classic is so darn enjoyble

    • @666louis
      @666louis 7 лет назад +21

      Also, in a modern car to have fun, you are in regions of speed that are criminal to say the least. Never had more fun driving than the time I rented a 110hp Caterham Super 7. 120kp/h on a country road feels like 200 in a modern car.

    • @GravyyTrain
      @GravyyTrain 7 лет назад +3

      I never thought like this.. I always drove just performance cars but Im thinking I might have been ignorant. yes. you can't drive fast on the street, but to be honest you can't push an old sports car on the street either.

    • @houssamalucad753
      @houssamalucad753 7 лет назад +4

      666louis get a BRZ then or the GT86.
      Same concept.

    • @fernandorodrigues1939
      @fernandorodrigues1939 7 лет назад +10

      It is not about the pure speed, but about the engagement... in some cars you don't need to go very fast to have fun, and that is what I was refering to... bus it is just an opinion I am not correct or wrong nor are you, just diferent prespectives.

  • @Lucas-ck1po
    @Lucas-ck1po 7 лет назад +57

    Can't wait to leave work today and just drive home. No happy our or anything in particular but the drive itself. Anyone ever felt the same way here?

    • @CDA43
      @CDA43 4 года назад +2

      Yea, when I watch these I appreciate my car more. It's not especially special to anyone else or supercar fast, but I do find myself noticing different things and driving more intently. I understand.

  • @achintyaaatreya
    @achintyaaatreya 4 года назад +7

    A person who really knows what driving is all about. Great guy.

  • @stuartcampbell8995
    @stuartcampbell8995 7 лет назад +26

    I had a Renault 5 turbo when I was 21....brings back good memories...and I had a escort xr3i too with pepper pot alloys...old school

    • @stuartcampbell8995
      @stuartcampbell8995 7 лет назад +1

      Krzysztof Dolecki I'm talking 30 years ago now

    • @YachtReport
      @YachtReport 7 лет назад +1

      Stuart Campbell those alloys...

    • @kayzenl7911
      @kayzenl7911 4 года назад

      In France, people still talk about 5 turbo against NA 205 GTI. It's like a dual that never stopped here haha

  • @vanilakung7563
    @vanilakung7563 7 лет назад +38

    Never driven a 205 Rallye, but the 205 GTI is one of the best cars ever, if i may say so

    • @-______.______-
      @-______.______- 6 лет назад +1

      I use A 205 Gt with 75 HP as my everyday-Car and love this thing. U don't need a whole lot of power to have fun and i agree: the 205 is one of the best cars ever made.

    • @asphalthedgehog6580
      @asphalthedgehog6580 5 лет назад +3

      Owned a 205 1.1 and 1.4, drove a 205 Rallye, 205GTI 1.6 and 1.9, 106 Rallye 1.3 and 1.6, owned 2 106GTI's.
      All fantastic cars. Think about buying a 106 Rallye still. Modern cars don't do it for me.

  • @abdelhameedbarqawi2907
    @abdelhameedbarqawi2907 7 лет назад +45

    After i finished watching the video i took my keys and went for a drive ... only great journalists make u feel that way 👌🏻

  • @RickGraham
    @RickGraham 7 лет назад +20

    Thought it was you I drove past in Lutterworth. Knew I wasn't imagining things. CH is the man!

  • @TheChocolateyGoodnes
    @TheChocolateyGoodnes 7 лет назад +24

    This is exactly why I keep my e36 M3. Though the world may have passed it by in performance, I always smile like a big idiot when I drive it. My AMG Mercedes will blow it into the weeds in acceleration, but I never take the long way home when I drive it. The old m3 always finds me taking the scenic route. Chris, I completely get it.

    • @stanislavpavlov6311
      @stanislavpavlov6311 7 лет назад +3

      TheChocolateyGoodnes I still don't know why people hate the e36 it's a truly amazing car to drive. Same goes for Peugeot....yeah sure they forgot how to make cars but those 80s and 90s Peugeots were and still are awesome. Interiors rattle , electronics in the 306s go bad but hey at least they handle well in corners 😅

    • @dougrobinson8602
      @dougrobinson8602 7 лет назад +2

      TCG- There's a reason so many people make track cars out of E36's. Balance and steering feel. I used to own a 1999 3231s with sport package. Not very powerful, but an absolute hoot to hustle down a twisty back road.

    • @nomadben
      @nomadben 5 лет назад

      I've been thinking about getting an E36 recently, so this makes me very happy to hear.

  • @phillipjames13
    @phillipjames13 7 лет назад +144

    please do actual Top Gear like this, and not the cartoon character you were made to play.

    • @JonasRosenven
      @JonasRosenven 7 лет назад +3

      It's nice when a car show lets the cars be the stars instead of its hosts, right?

    • @StefanoMaggio
      @StefanoMaggio 7 лет назад +2

      you're describing Fifth Gear, but unfortunately nobody watched it so... axed it got...

    • @dragospahontu
      @dragospahontu 4 года назад

      @@StefanoMaggio true that

  • @dumyjobby
    @dumyjobby 5 лет назад +2

    i own a fiat panda 45 from 1982, 700kg, 45 hp, skinny tires, very low grip, unassisted steering and braking. I have such a laugh driving that thing because even when im driving at 10/10 the speed is low but the driving feels so engaging and fun. Its incredible how nuch joy light and simple cars can bring when driven. Thank you harris for showing that since most of the automotive jurnalists seem interested in cars waay above 6 figures and little interest is given to little pocket rockets that most of us could actully afford

    • @kayzenl7911
      @kayzenl7911 4 года назад

      Bwahaha really true with my 106

  • @camliv78
    @camliv78 5 лет назад +3

    Ahhhh this is why I hold Chris Harris In so much high regard! This man actually truly knows what hell he’s talking about.
    It reminded me of my very first car, a 91 Toyota conquest 1300 S .... the difference is that car wasn’t actually very fast BUT it was sheer basics and YES and kid I drive the hell out of it, my point being it was bare basics ... no on board computer, no ABS .... just plain good old fashioned steering wheel shifting gears ... put your foot down and go 🙂
    I miss that.

  • @quintinkrivacek9800
    @quintinkrivacek9800 7 лет назад +39

    Driving is all about what your feet do, what your bottom feels, and what your arms do... couldn't have said it better myself

  • @ubonrat8653
    @ubonrat8653 7 лет назад +17

    Too many modern cars are all horsepower plus weight and are numb to drive, this proves that simplicity is best and you don't need to spend a fortune

    • @rahulmandala4930
      @rahulmandala4930 3 года назад +1

      Except the Porsche is still in a league of its own when it comes to driving experience and involvement. Sure, many modern cars are heavy and numb, which does take away from the experience. However, fun can mean many things in the automotive world, be it enjoying a car that’s way out of your league all the way to wringing out a classic car by the neck. Besides, cars like the 911R still appeal to people who love the art of driving. Sure, no car is perfect, including the 911R for the things it doesn’t have (i.e. Hydraulic Assist, manual/clutch to the floor, etc.)
      However, the 911R costs quite the sum because there’s nothing like it in it’s class today.

  • @sictransit5
    @sictransit5 7 лет назад +1

    He's discovered why i like my 1992 Citroen AX 1.1TZX I have in Italy. A "rescue" car I fixed up, its 788 kg with 30 fewer bhp than the Peugeot it strongly resembles inside and out. Its great to drive, and I'd love to have it here in the US instead of using it just a few weeks a year. I think this was a good performance era in Europe, just modern enough but with an "real car" feel. Its why I've kept my '90 300ZX over here as a 4th car, and drive it regularly.

  • @alundrasrt
    @alundrasrt 7 лет назад +15

    He's right, we want manual gearbox to feel the gears and the transmission loads not as an option just gearing for fun. Weight for grip, stiffness and safety is ok but for racing feel at low speed it takes away the pleasure. We lost something.

    • @dougrobinson8602
      @dougrobinson8602 7 лет назад +4

      karim- you are dead-on! Imagine what manual transmissions would be like if car manufacturers put the same effort into shift feel, gearing selection and clutch engagement as they do developing DCTs and 10 speed automatics! Not that they don't have their place, but lately it seems like manual gearboxes are an afterthought, or something only worthy of being in a bare bones economy car. Sadly, we are in serious danger of losing the manual box entirely. At least Porsche got the memo and brought back the manual. Something about used manual Porsche prices probably tipped them off. Now, Ferrari needs to get on board. Nothing but love out there for the old gated shifters. I doubt anyone ever drove a manual 550 Maranello and said "Damn, I wish this thing had an F1 box in it". Unless they were tracking it.

    • @pantsyr
      @pantsyr 7 лет назад +1

      We lost the 'human' in the driving equation over the last 15years or so... flappy paddle ABS Launch Mode Traction Control 200 airbags parking sensors self parking autopilot.. etc... what if you actually like to and WANT to Drive the a modern car? Nice to see a 911 with a manual transmission again.. and reminds me why I've hung on to my 6 speed 911/996.

  • @davidreynolds81
    @davidreynolds81 7 лет назад +1

    Oh my! My first car was a 205 1.4XS and it was awesome fun and I've never driven a car since that is that fun, so light that you open the bonnet and can see the floor! Love it!!!

  • @handsomeenglish4518
    @handsomeenglish4518 7 лет назад +12

    The good thing is that you don't necessarily need a 205 gti... consider a 106/306 rallye, toyota corolla gti (huh?), honda civic vti (before the integra type r), citroen 2cv (if you want to get anywhere) and so much more...
    Driving today has given us a greater thrill of speed and ability, but the physical and spiritual connection between car and road is being diminished..
    (it's not the car makers fault, safety, security etc... the gt86/brz have done a great job of trying to keep it alive)
    Great review

  • @Lotus.F
    @Lotus.F 3 года назад

    Your face when driving the 205 Rallye said it all, I know the feeling because I owned a 106 Rallye 1993 one of one thousand that was imported. That was an epic car pure raw driving pleasure.

  • @snowcat3116
    @snowcat3116 7 лет назад +3

    This remind me my old 106 rally (same engine except ECU standard) God, it was a furious little car and the perfect machine to learn track driving.

    • @thiscocks
      @thiscocks 6 лет назад

      Pretty much no parts in common between the Tu2J2 and TU24 engines even though they have the same capacity!

  • @scotie690
    @scotie690 7 лет назад

    Back in the day my late grandfather have a couple Peugeot dealers. I clearly remember when 2 brothers bought one for each. The smile when they got out... Just like Chris today. :)

  • @MikeTheBike71
    @MikeTheBike71 7 лет назад +4

    After the 2CV, a new love declaration to an old french car. Thank you Harris ;)

  • @maxjelley4055
    @maxjelley4055 Год назад +1

    Gorgeous work here. I started watching this channel over lockdown and sage to say it’s become a bit of a safe space for me. I’m gonna own a 205 one day. Maybe an XS that I tweak a little or a rallye if I can afford it. Thanks to Chris and thanks to the community for sharing the joy!

    • @ChopperMeir
      @ChopperMeir Год назад

      Well the beauty of the XS is the same TU3S engine, different carb set up but easily tuneable and if you can get hold of a GTI front subframe and arms, convert the gear selector post (I did on mine, it isn't difficult) and you've got yourself what essentially is a euro spec Rallye for half the price.

    • @tomdtom5407
      @tomdtom5407 5 месяцев назад

      ​@@ChopperMeirdifferent camshaft also

  • @PMGF
    @PMGF 7 лет назад +54

    I love that little Peugeot! Back when they could make cars...

    • @callumpenman5992
      @callumpenman5992 7 лет назад

      PMGF nothing with a hint of quality has...well ever rolled out of france

    • @Tvvugt
      @Tvvugt 7 лет назад +11

      They're back tho. The 8 series are turning out to be great and somehow reliable.
      Still driving a 205 myself though.

    • @TheSkyline35
      @TheSkyline35 7 лет назад +2

      Since the 207 they are back, look at the 208 and 308 GTI, just very very great cars

    • @TheBlaert
      @TheBlaert 7 лет назад +7

      Agreed. The 405 Mi16 (which I own), 309 GTi, 205 Rallye/GTi's were all class leaders. Awesome fun cars all of them

    • @mikeygti8930
      @mikeygti8930 7 лет назад +3

      Callum Penman
      Oh dear. Another french car hater who, obviously, has never had the pleasure of grabbing a french hot hatch by the scruff of the neck and driving it on a quality b road. If you wanna know which country builds the best hot hatchs, take a guess but two clues, it aint Germany or Japan.

  • @colinwoollard5739
    @colinwoollard5739 3 года назад +1

    I had a 1.3 205 Rallye for 100,000 miles, it was supremely memorable, nearly every mile

  • @LR_84
    @LR_84 7 лет назад +8

    Being 16, I'd have the 205 in a heartbeat ❤

  • @costastsamis6706
    @costastsamis6706 7 лет назад

    i had driven one 205 Rally twenty years ago for about an hour and boy i still remember it. It was pure driving. Chris Harris is one of the best car journalists and this video proves it.

  • @Trendyflute
    @Trendyflute 7 лет назад +5

    My old Miata makes me giggle uncontrollably on a twisty road, and it often happens under 40 MPH.
    Point well made. The 911R is the peak of refined performance capability and engine manufacturing. Elsewhere, it is merely "among the very best of the modern for tactility and engagement, which is in a lower league than cars of old".

  • @Lukec4ge
    @Lukec4ge 7 лет назад

    Time to start restoring my 205 GTi. Dormant for around 7 years....ready to reclaim its glory. Thanks Chris Harris.

  • @RenoveAutoService
    @RenoveAutoService 7 лет назад +10

    Yes the best driving experience
    Light/manual gear box/and sound!!!
    Thanks Chris

  • @AWood28
    @AWood28 7 лет назад

    Had a Vauxhall Nova as a kid. 1.2 4 cyclinder and absolutely fell in love with driving. I had it on the limit every single time I drove it. Renault 5 GT was the dream back in 95.

  • @resnonverba137
    @resnonverba137 7 лет назад +8

    Reminds me that I wish I still had my old 205 GTI...

    • @FicaGTI
      @FicaGTI 7 лет назад +1

      Same here....

  • @coxbright
    @coxbright 6 лет назад +1

    I think this has to be my favourite Harris video! I've wanted a 205 GTi for 10 years now and this video makes me want one even more!

  • @maXXik1337
    @maXXik1337 7 лет назад +28

    90's.... when baguettes made great cars with normal interiors (ye Peugeot, you heard me).
    Chris is spot on here. It is not about the speed, it is about the thrill car can produce. The problem with modern - especially super - cars like this Porsche is, thay are way too fast for public roads, they are so good, that their limits are way too far. You make mistake? Ok. It is not in 70km/h, its most likely in 130+. Not only its illegal speed, you are also very close to big problem regarding your health.
    Thats why older cars or for example miata is so praised, its possible (and lot of fun) to drive it on the limit even on normal road.

  • @wesleygonzales2049
    @wesleygonzales2049 5 лет назад +2

    Chris Harris is the Patrick Stewart of Top Gear. He was able to replace the irreplaceable with something completely different and just as special.

  • @mikecoe64
    @mikecoe64 7 лет назад +3

    Bwlch mountain South Wales 👍🏻 great video chris, keep it up 👏🏼

  • @cadarok
    @cadarok 7 лет назад

    The passion of raw driving.
    This is how feel about my 93 VW Cabriolet, I just drove her yesterday for the first time in a month, hearing that little four cylinder start up and throwing her up and down through her gear cant be happier.

  • @andreimangalia1468
    @andreimangalia1468 7 лет назад +3

    Honestly I love Porsche, the 911 r is absolutely brilliant, but the 205 it's just awesome. It has that madness, that pure joy of driving and it has that sense of freedom.That's why the 80's hot hatches are still cool even in these days.😀

  • @Troubleshooter125
    @Troubleshooter125 5 лет назад +2

    Now that was a thoughtful and interesting comparison of two cars one might not ordinarily think of in the same frame of reference. Thanks a LOT, Chris!!!

  • @erwinsims
    @erwinsims 7 лет назад +5

    I have felt lately that "sport" cars from today forget what it is all about, Sure, it is obscenely fast, has extreme horsepower, drives 300+ and goes faster to 100 than sneezing but that car can do that WITH EVERY IDIOT BEHIND THE WHEEL!
    They all forget to give the thrill of driving, sifting gear just right in a proper car without electronics feels so much more rewarding that any car out there today, look back at the flappy shifters in the early days, they were flawed and slow and proper drivers loathed them.. just cause we got used to them does not mean they give a true feel of driving.
    we have speedlimits and those cars don't offer a thrill under or around that speed.
    To be honest in my opinion all cars have gotten so idiot-proof that even idiots can drive fast and that is where it goes wrong. I love cars that reward you for driving them on the limit, it is communicating and fun. when a car is overpowered and needs 1001 electronic aids just to get of the start line without you looking a fool and needs an automatic cause it can shift better than you can it says something.. Yes, we can make cars that go 400 kph and make over a 1000 horsepower but what does it all mean when you as a driver are more a spectator than actually needed for the performance to come out?
    So thank you Chris for showing off a car like the 205 ( I drove one and they are a blast)
    and here is a question for you..
    How about a segment where you put the "icon" and the latest reinstalment head to head?
    like the 205 1.9 GTI vs the 208 GTI, Mazda MX5/Miata vs current, E36 M3 vs the late one and so on..
    And forget about all luxury and build-quality and gizmo's (that just distract you from driving) and focus on the thing it should be about.. The feeling it gives you as a driver.
    I believe that would be an interesting watc!
    thanks for reading my rant,
    Erwin

  • @theroadexplorer6593
    @theroadexplorer6593 7 лет назад

    6:22 Look at his smile when he changes gear, he is having so much fun!!!

  • @mohitha9230
    @mohitha9230 7 лет назад +321

    Peugeot 205 rallye ?! hmm ,What is the Doug score ?

    • @haydenhale9066
      @haydenhale9066 7 лет назад +5

      55

    • @DamienMarquesDaSilva
      @DamienMarquesDaSilva 7 лет назад

      Lol!

    • @NikolajHansen
      @NikolajHansen 7 лет назад

      Did they have the 205 rally in the US?

    • @WhitewalkerII
      @WhitewalkerII 7 лет назад +2

      No they didn't

    • @burwood69
      @burwood69 7 лет назад +1

      We only have peugeot salt shakers over here in Canada US unfortunately. I drove a 207 in Cuba for what it's worth, but we are limited to european vehicles.

  • @smythrich
    @smythrich 5 лет назад

    Chris's enthusiasm comes across so well in this video. 3:08 !! how is he so happy in a 30 year old french hatchback ! he makes the best car videos by a country mile .

  • @guy5140
    @guy5140 4 года назад +7

    Imagine how pissed the Porsche engineers would be after watching this 😂

  • @saalikkhan7671
    @saalikkhan7671 4 года назад +1

    6:23 I have never seen a man in a car happier.

  • @jobic4207
    @jobic4207 7 лет назад +72

    Last time I was this early it was still cool to hate on the new Top Gear hosts :(

    • @bavarianbanshee
      @bavarianbanshee 7 лет назад +1

      Thankfully, at least on Chris' videos, people have grown out of it, for the most part.

  • @WeMuckAround
    @WeMuckAround 7 лет назад

    I may only have a base model 1.1 Peugeot 205 Style, but when you're on a twisty b-road, ragging its neck, feeling that immense body roll you get from the soft suspension, you can't help but fall in love with it. You still get that feel that somewhere in its close ancestry, there's a rally racer.

  • @ianward8107
    @ianward8107 7 лет назад +4

    The drivers of the world know exactly what he is talking about. The car has to talk to you. I have been on test drives where on paper the car is a super hero but to drive. ( Clutch or shifter or seat position is horrible) my favorite Gearbox Honda Accord 4cyl 2006. Not much of a car but a delightful drive

    • @ianward8107
      @ianward8107 7 лет назад

      Eddie Panedi
      I drove the F-RS as well. Very good car. Funny I was a salesman at at Toyota dealer too about 10 years ago. And the only fun vehicle they had at the time was the Tacoma X-Runner. The V-6 and the transmission pairing are excellent, very fun to drive.

    • @dougrobinson8602
      @dougrobinson8602 7 лет назад

      Try an S2000. Delicious shifter feel.

    • @ianward8107
      @ianward8107 7 лет назад

      Doug Robinson I would love to drive an S2000! I bet it's a great car to drive.

  • @Pique147
    @Pique147 7 лет назад

    My first car was a diesel 205 van. With no weight over the back, needless to say I learned quite quickly about lift-off oversteer lol. Seeing the interior of that spartan 205 brought back some memories.

  • @z0n4l1
    @z0n4l1 7 лет назад +3

    amazing little toy the 205 is

  • @spymen6677
    @spymen6677 7 лет назад +1

    Chris you are a true car guy.Congratulations man.

  • @TGE
    @TGE 7 лет назад +6

    Very enjoyable. Rah rah rah.

  • @pontusojefelt2102
    @pontusojefelt2102 6 лет назад

    This tugs at my heart strings! Peugeot 205 gti 91' was my frist car. Frikin loved it and i need one in my life again!

  •  7 лет назад +9

    A 205 Turbo 16 Rally Group B is certenly a much better driving experience than any top tier car of today.

    • @mro9466
      @mro9466 7 лет назад +11

      you don't drive a Group B, you survive a stage in a Group B

    •  7 лет назад +7

      David Hill Driver for sure, Group B rally cars were the the epitome of the driving experience. 400hp cars, less than 1000kg, all wheel drive, no electronic assistance. Audí Quatro, Lancia Delta S4 Integrale, Peugeot 205 T16.

    • @deafyboy86
      @deafyboy86 7 лет назад +1

      Sebastián Demaría 400hp? Yeah in 1984, in 85' and '86 they were close to 600hp.

    • @oliviergrandjean1918
      @oliviergrandjean1918 7 лет назад

      Actually, by all accounts at the time, the homologation version of the 205 T16 was underwhelming. Low-ish power, (200hp) turbo lag, ... There was a PTS (Peugeot Talbot Sport) kit sold to private racers that took care of most issues but it was not road-legal, iirc

    • @afrankena
      @afrankena 7 лет назад

      Olivier Grandjean the road versions yes. But that wasnt anny different for the rest of the homologation groupe b cars. But in full rallyspec they do 400 to 700ish. Depents on what car and the year.

  • @SuperGlobalKiller
    @SuperGlobalKiller 7 лет назад +1

    Finally spoken as a true car enthousiast. Respect to Chris

  • @LonestarPaul
    @LonestarPaul 7 лет назад +18

    what road has this been shot on?!?

    • @chrismorgan2939
      @chrismorgan2939 7 лет назад +4

      LonestarPaul bwlch road about 10miles north of port Talbot where 3 valleys meet at the top

    • @LonestarPaul
      @LonestarPaul 7 лет назад

      that's gorgeous!!! Thanks for the info. If I ever get there one day... ;)

    • @chrismorgan2939
      @chrismorgan2939 7 лет назад +1

      LonestarPaul I only live 20 miles from it, used to travel it often

    • @LonestarPaul
      @LonestarPaul 7 лет назад

      Life's unfair! Have fun for me next time you go there :)

    • @harvey222
      @harvey222 7 лет назад

      Could you elaborate more please? I'm in Bristol and want to check this out. Any help appreciated :)

  • @JordanPayneLV
    @JordanPayneLV 7 лет назад

    This is exactly how I feel. I've got a Datsun 280z and a 981 Cayman S, Chris just described exactly what I experience when I switch between the cars

  • @Arturo_S3
    @Arturo_S3 7 лет назад +3

    A german car that looks like a german police car out of the factory is that even legal? LOL

  • @aligurun8034
    @aligurun8034 6 лет назад

    Proudly owning a 1993 205gti1.9 and a 991.2 C4.
    My wife always fail to understand why only these two cars in the garage. After watching C. Harris's video she kind of started liking the idea.
    Although slightly less fun, my toys offer a bit more comfort.
    Keep up the good work Chris...

  • @beefcake97
    @beefcake97 7 лет назад +10

    Did he really hit the curb at 2:25 or my eyes are shit?

    • @GearTutorials
      @GearTutorials 7 лет назад +1

      Roland Malácsik he did. You can even hear a clunk.

    • @bspartee
      @bspartee 7 лет назад +4

      Roland Malácsik I thought so too, but I think it's just when he drives over the storm drain in the road. Because you can hear that same sound other times in the video.

    • @MarkyFormula1
      @MarkyFormula1 7 лет назад

      Maybe Chris should be doing the driving for the exterior shots too.

    •  7 лет назад +1

      GearTutorials
      He was close to the curb but no where near touching it. The sound was a metallic noise as he ran over the grid, it even syncs to the car's movement.

    • @ProjectExMachina
      @ProjectExMachina 7 лет назад

      I might be tripin but I don't think that Chris drives external shots. Driver have more hair and is paper then Chris.

  • @MrDonkrypton
    @MrDonkrypton 7 лет назад

    */sign!*
    I totally agree. We're having a 205 1.9 GTI (120 HP) since 1995 and it's still great. Lightweight, precise, powerful, full of character, nor rust because of good steel. This is one of the best cars ever made! Chris, thanks for testing it on the road!

  • @mirzadaullymun7129
    @mirzadaullymun7129 7 лет назад +12

    Why does he hate the miata though?

    • @fondajames
      @fondajames 7 лет назад

      Mirzad Aullymun I think he doesn't like the body roll but I'm not sure, he has a citreon 2cv that rolls way worse and loves it. But he also said he hates Lamborghini and has admitted the huracan is good so who knows

    • @tariqaleemuddin
      @tariqaleemuddin 7 лет назад +1

      Mirzad Aullymun...no idea. Love Chris, but find it inconsistent.

    • @Tvvugt
      @Tvvugt 7 лет назад +2

      Probably too large.
      I want to love the Miata, I just can't.

    • @360prav
      @360prav 7 лет назад +1

      He has a quirk:)

    • @ShadowFalcon
      @ShadowFalcon 7 лет назад +2

      Prashanth Panicker that's it.
      For the price of a decent second hand MX5 in Europe, you could get an equally well maintained Toyota MR2, or one of these (or if you're lucky, a Series 1 Elise), all of which are arguably better drivers cars (yes, even the FWD Peugeot).

  • @luciustitius
    @luciustitius 6 лет назад

    I can absolutly understand Mr. Harris enthusiasms. Reminds me of my first car a 205 GTI 1.6 that i bought new in 1987. It is up to today the only car i dream of from time to time. For sure it is because of the sensation every first car brings. But i will never forget how fast, light, nimble, direct and fun delivering the 205 GTI was. Nothing around like that nowadays. Well, maybe the new Mazda MX-5...

  • @ONSEY.
    @ONSEY. 7 лет назад +4

    Bayramınız mübarek olsun. 🌹🌷😊

    • @kero-x8l
      @kero-x8l 7 лет назад +1

      ON ŞEY seninde

    • @ONSEY.
      @ONSEY. 7 лет назад +1

      kerem kuruüzümcü 😊

  • @64782048
    @64782048 7 лет назад

    This is a man who know what driving pleasure means. Yes. The flappy paddle is faster but the manual gear box just makes the driver so much more connected to the car and the driving experience. Bravo Chris.

  • @wibbers4578
    @wibbers4578 7 лет назад +205

    Well, Grand tour turned out to be total shit. Honestly i think they are too old to continue it, i believe harris is a great change to continue the legacy of this great show.

    • @trance9158
      @trance9158 7 лет назад +2

      Nicotine don't be completely ignorant

    • @cyjan3k823
      @cyjan3k823 7 лет назад +9

      I think they arent too old, they just Lost themselves in this strange situation
      And out of whole New top gear crew only Harris is good
      And BBC know it, they upload Mostly his parts, not others

    • @aryajonathan3733
      @aryajonathan3733 7 лет назад +5

      Krzysztof Dolecki Harris just doing his work per usual. He is a very active automotive journalist since his work in Drive. Its his passion and his life. Like he cant stop making a video and review cars. Compared to other presenters who are obligated contractually he actually wanted to be involved and expand Top Gear even more beyond just TV shows which tbh is a personal matter for the audience.

    • @TheRomichou
      @TheRomichou 7 лет назад +5

      I hate to have to agree with you. the 3 blocks have turned into americans, with big obvious fake forced over-acted everything. I loved them so much in top gear. Chris is bringing so much passion around car.

    • @finnersz
      @finnersz 7 лет назад +9

      Not total shit. Just not as good as they used to be. The American influence was too much. Oh well it was a good run.

  • @neil2wheels876
    @neil2wheels876 6 лет назад +2

    Harris and Catchpole. Our very own UK motoring journalistic royalty. Both were/are involved in Evo. 'nuff said

  • @joemamaisfat
    @joemamaisfat 7 лет назад +50

    911 is a tool
    205 is a toy

    • @gweflj
      @gweflj 7 лет назад +39

      I enjoy my toys more than my tools.

    • @callumpenman5992
      @callumpenman5992 7 лет назад

      Kristóf Máthé I could build a toy that's got better quality than the Peugeot

    • @warwickstingray
      @warwickstingray 7 лет назад +6

      Callum Penman what the hell has build quality got to do with fun!?

    • @00ruva00
      @00ruva00 7 лет назад

      Kristóf Máthé you a fool

    • @mgray2418
      @mgray2418 7 лет назад +8

      It say it's the other way around tbh, the Porsche's a toy for the rich and the 205 is a tool for a driving enthusiast.

  • @noid3948
    @noid3948 7 лет назад +1

    Chris at his best. Love his off the wall comparisons.

  • @Tardisius
    @Tardisius 7 лет назад +41

    I'll take ANY 911 over that 205 =))

    • @mattslip179
      @mattslip179 7 лет назад +23

      Tardisius I bet you've never driven a car before

    • @Munkenba
      @Munkenba 7 лет назад +51

      Someone get this guy an automatic convertible 996 and watch him eat his words.

    • @mro9466
      @mro9466 7 лет назад +12

      Alfred Munkenbeck i think a C4 964 convertible tiptronic might be even better :D

    • @Outland9000
      @Outland9000 7 лет назад +1

      LMAO! Alfred.... Well played.

    • @vojtasTS29
      @vojtasTS29 7 лет назад +10

      Tardisius Me too. To sell it and buy the peugeot and an AE86. Will probably still have money left over.

  • @WeeFreeMan78
    @WeeFreeMan78 7 лет назад

    As a kid I had many dream cars on my wall. My first love however, was this 205 and later on the first 106 rallye. I had driven them many times and the involvement, the feeling that came trough every surface I had contact with, the "taste" they left after a short drive was beyond words. Never came to owning one of these, the closest is my Ignis Sport which is pretty much the same consept and it goes and feels wonderfully alive and analogue. Maybe some day a stripped, white 205 will find its nest in my garage. Maybe...

  • @fulltonefulltone
    @fulltonefulltone 6 лет назад

    A real car enthusiast and one of the few you can really trust. Chris Harris... I salute you!

  • @papposupercarwatcher
    @papposupercarwatcher 7 лет назад +1

    one of the best chris harris video ever

  • @TheGel69
    @TheGel69 7 лет назад

    Having driven an 86 Peugeot 205 GTI first generation (1.6l 105 bhp) for quite some time I can relate to what Chris is saying what a car.

  • @perjanuschas8050
    @perjanuschas8050 7 лет назад

    I used to own a brand new 205 GTI 1.9 when it was new, and wow. The feeling of driving it was better than most I have ever had before or since. Before the 205, I had an Alfetta 1.6 that was fettled to give 172 bhp at the wheels, and hands down, it is the best drivers feeling I've ever had. That car was just mental, brakes and steering uttelry precise. the gearbox a bit moody when cold, and always demanding patience to get from any gear into second. I now have a fettled 996 C4S, and it's probably what comes closest to any of these. I also need to mention my 1996 and 1/2 Toyota Supra Turbo. It was also fettled to give almost 400 bhp, but the suspension (lowered 45 and 50 mm front and rear respectively) and steering was almost as close to a gocart as you can get. Fun to see the 205 revived, it deserves all the mention it can get. IT WAS THAT GOOD.

  • @TwinCam
    @TwinCam 5 лет назад

    People will laugh, but my current daily driver is a 1.1 litre 1991 Metro. But I wouldn't swap it for anything in the world. It just makes me smile and I can hoon away feeling like a racing driver while doing 45mph. Brilliant fun!

  • @paulsalmusic
    @paulsalmusic 7 лет назад +1

    Chris Harris is on my list of people I'd like to share a pint with......

  • @stefandominitzki
    @stefandominitzki 5 лет назад +1

    I owned a 205 Rallye for more than 8 years and it was great. In Germany it had a 1,9 litre Engine.

  • @stevenjackson8226
    @stevenjackson8226 7 лет назад

    I've been keen on this message for long while. I'm quite enamored of Chapman platitudes. Owning an Elan and a Europa race car, having driven Sevens and Esprits (well, certain models), driving Formula Fords and spending quite a bit of time regularly on-track with a handful of super cars, I'm more enamored than ever. Simplify and add lightness. Engagement. Involvement. Handling. Grip. Braking. Power and top speed last. Control. Apex speed. Braking distances. Corner exit. Fun. The US sadly never got these Peugeots, but there were still a number of very good things available - the early Honda Civic and CRX Sis, the early Nissan SE-R, the Acura Integra Type R, the wonderful Dodge ACR Neon, and perhaps a couple others I'm missing at the moment. All wonderful things to drive. Simple, affordable, fast, fun.

  • @MrSlash00r
    @MrSlash00r 7 лет назад

    People are unequivocally wooed by power, but experience is where its at. Thanks for sharing that, Chris, this will undoubtedly be the best part of my day.

  • @prideventues
    @prideventues 7 лет назад +1

    Thank you, Thank you, Thank you, Chris for finally showing that driving is not about speed it is about driving and controlling a car. I remember the best fun I have had in a car was in a TR3. It had hardly enough power to get out of it's own way but was light, nimble and controlled by me via shifter, clutch, and throttle.
    Today is the greatest day ever concerning power and technology with cars. People talked about the Muscle Car error as if that was something which we will never see again but the Camaros, Mustangs, Dodges have proven to be far more efficient, powerful, comfortable and reliable than anything in history.
    Porsche, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Lotus, Maserati, Corvette, Bugatti, Alfa, and even Honda and Nissan have shown that sports cars are at their peak today.
    People who are drivers know that VW GTI, and Lancia's, Fiats, Peugeot, and many others are incredible rides if love driving. A 912, with the 4 cylinder, Porsche is actually more satisfying than a 911 with the 6 cylinder engine to drive.
    Great to see a true driver talk about driving cars!!

  • @TheTestDriveChannel
    @TheTestDriveChannel 6 лет назад

    This is truly impressive movie. I used to drive 205GTi, still miss it.

  • @MrFoulksy
    @MrFoulksy 7 лет назад +1

    Chris and the team yet again creating fantastic videos. Never stop.

  • @pevvex4452
    @pevvex4452 7 лет назад

    Just got my self fully restored 205 GTI and let me tell u understand what u mean. This little Peugeot gives me more fun then all my cars I have in my garage. It was my dream car when I was young but would never expect it will be so much fun and joy today when I have so many theoretically better cars and I am 40+ years old. Simply amazing but very unexpected.

  • @RaceMattC
    @RaceMattC 7 лет назад +1

    Awesome video. It would be great to see more of Chris going back into history and driving the great street cars. In particular this comparison would have been interesting to see the 205 up against a 964 RS

  • @paulpak1
    @paulpak1 6 лет назад +1

    Love Chris Harris. What a driver, what a drive!

  • @qikqbn77
    @qikqbn77 7 лет назад +1

    Yup, Chris nails it when it comes to the joys of just driving. It's the relationship between the driver inputs, car, tires, and the road. The relationship you have communicating with the car through the feeling of the gas, brake, clutch, shifter, and steering feedback. I also find that the relationship between the effort to work each control is important too. A car that has a precise and well weighted input relationship between clutch,gas,brake pedal effort, stick shift effort, and steering precision/feedback separate great cars from the mediocre. Porsche's over the years in general nail this aspect, but as Chris demonstrated, there are many other cars for a lot less money that can bring some driving joy in to your life as well. Great video Chris, keep up the great work!!