OCD and its link to repression
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2022
- Obsessions are unwanted, intrusive thoughts; compulsions are unwarranted, involuntary behaviors. Though different, they often go together, for compulsions pose as protection from the imagined bad consequences of obsessions. They tend to escalate, demanding more time and attention: spontaneity is sacrificed to schedule, desire surrenders to compliance, and aliveness is stifled by stiffness. OCD’s insistence on “rightness” attempts to deny feelings, especially anger, neediness, and desire, displacing them onto rigid exercise routines, midnight phone scrolling, finicky dietary convictions, and other attempts to serve performance and perfection. Marie-Louise von Franz, Jung’s close collaborator, says, “Every content of the unconscious with which one is not properly related tends to obsess one, for it gets at us from behind…You can either be possessed by a content constellated in the unconscious, or you can have a relationship to it. The more one represses it, the more one is affected by it.” When the unconscious is denied, it turns to unwanted forms of expression.
HERE’S THE DREAM WE ANALYZE:
“I am standing in a field in winter. The earth is cold and hard. I have a simple, woven cloth wrapped around my head and am carrying a basket in the crook of my arm. I am in the field to harvest potatoes. I work slowly and methodically moving up and down the rows, but at some point I realize that the crops that I am harvesting are upside down. The potatoes sit neatly atop the earth, and it is only when I pull them up that I can see all the green parts of the plant. This realization doesn't faze me however, and I continue to harvest. As I work, I am aware of a sense of great peace. I bend to pick up yet another potato, and realize that there is no resistance, for the potato has no stem, leaves, or roots. It is a solitary object. I stand and hold the potato in the palm of my hand. It is fairly small, and somewhat paler than the rest. All of a sudden, the potato sprouts small white wings which begin to flutter. The potato hovers above my hand for a few moments, and then flies away. I watch it against the sky and am suddenly aware that the sky has become a brilliant blue, whereas in the beginning of the dream it was a heavy, pearly grey that threatened snow. I awake with a feeling of enormous well-being.”
References:
Nancy J. Dougherty and Jacqueline J. West. The Matrix and Meaning of Character: An Archetypal and Developmental Approach. www.amazon.com/Matrix-Meaning...
Nancy McWilliams. Psychoanalytic Diagnosis: Understanding Personality Structure in the Clinical Process. www.amazon.com/s?k=psychoanal...
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Wow.
The quote you said about obsessions being caused by contents of our subsconsious that we've not developed a proper relationship with - that repression creates obsession - has framed my ocd in a way that no mental health practitioner has for me before.
Im thinking about one of my main current obsessions and, right now, its lost a significant amount of pain-causing power, just by me thinking of it in the way you've described.
Ocd obsessions are so relentlessly distressing, anything that provides soothing is so welcome, and thats exactly what this new perspective is doing for me right now.
With ocd we spend so much of our time and energy being hyper vigilant and alert and defensive against the distressing obsessive idea, the notion that i can lower my defenses, that i dont even need to keep my eye on the obsession - let alone watch it like i hawk or wrestle with it endlessly - that i can actually turn away from it - all because it was never really about the 'thing' im obsessing about - feels mind-blowing and massively comforting to me. That i can turn away from the obsession and instead look into the parts of me that need my attention and acknowledgement and companionship feels potentially deeply healing.
If your video has opened a new and very welcome phase in my relationship with my ocd, then thank you very much.
If im getting a bit carried away with myself, and it turns out this is no major turning point for me after all, but is instead just a decent half hour of relief - thank you for that half hour!!
Heck yea dude. A win is a win. Thank you for commenting all that. Hopefully I gwt a good half hour too lol. Mark Manson's The Subtle Art of Not Giving a FXck has helped me immensely. Keep tryin man. You can get better. We can get better. Just takes some practice.
Wow. As an OCD sufferer this was amazing
I would LOVE if you also had video. I love hearing you and it would be fantastic to see your faces and the nuance of facial expressions when speaking about such great topics.
I think we're slowly working up to that. It's a big leap. ~ Joseph
I loved the imagery of the flying potatoe and the harvest of the crop. Generational. Tiling the soil. Green leaves in the subconscious and the potatoes on the ground being harvested. Thank you for sharing your perspectives I enjoy listening to your podcast. Be well.
Perhaps the most relevant podcast of all for my borderline denial of OCD tendencies. Such excellent dialogue & illustrations. The dream was a perfect interpretation from my understanding outside her dreamtime experience. Thank you for enlarging my consciousness.🙏
Could you please consider a podcast on the Wotan archetype and the contemporary resurgence of the far right? The practice of heathenism is becoming increasingly popular among far right circles.
And a completely bastardized heathenism at that.
'Heathenism'? I'm apolitical. But why wouldn't you say the political Left is more 'heathen'? The way they glorify the deviant side of society to spite the status quo.
@@AJWRAJWR I think for the political left we should examine the Satan archetype with its mania for transgressive behaviour and subversion of the natural order.
@@wulfsorenson8859 I think you're just arbitrarily projecting your own insecurities onto the whole subject.
@@AJWRAJWR I think you need to put on your yellow star.
There is something about the image of a "flying potato" that delights me, lifts me up, makes me laugh and feel playful. Plus, as the daughter of an Irishman, I have a relationship to potatoes, including awareness of Famine.
Thanks for the synchronicity. Been struggling with this topic and read a research paper on OCD from a Jungian perspective by Dr. Talamo.
I have existential/philosophical OCD, so no chronic obvious outward compulsions. I manage it fairly well, there are parts of it that I enjoy but it can quickly turn foreboding. I have experienced this for as long as I can remember.
I would be really interested to hear about a Jungian perspective on Schizotypal traits if you ever get the chance.
I engaged in CBT and exposure therapy when I was younger to mediate alot of the social challenges I found myself with, which I believe halted the develpoment of a full diagnoses of Schizotypal Personality Disorder but I still have quite a few traits of it that I find myself ashamed of and very hesitant to discuss which leaves me feeling that I am hiding large parts of who I am for social acceptance.
It was nice to hear all 3 of you together again.
Synchronistically, we just became aware of a new book The Schizophrenia Complex
by Eve Maram www.amazon.com/dp/1685030602/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_KD54TQQQG0KSM8Z8PT0M. We plan to have Eve on a future episode. Hopefully she will address the spectrum of traits from subtle to severe. I want to clarify that schizotypal traits are very different from a diagnosis of schizophrenia but the withdrawing pattern underlying both may be helpful to explore. Also, The Matrix and Meaning of Character: An Archetypal and Developmental Approach by Dougherty and West, www.amazon.com/dp/0415403006/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_3YQXKP7BYYD9MEAWH4YP, offers a depth model to explore schizoid traits.
I look forward to it.
Thanks for the resource recommendation!
I'd be helpful to hear an episode about dependency.
Wish you guys touched a little more on intrusive thoughts and "pure o".
Can you think about making transcripts of these great transcripts?
OCD, Binge eating, drug addictions, netflix addiction etc, suppression tactics. Arnt all these tings in the same ballpark?. It is keeping us away from the unconscious, and hinders individuation. What do you think?
I agree. Thoughts are the symptom of a deeper issue/trauma. Need for control, safety. When a coping mechanism falls, you need to solve the uncertainities.
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