Curator Q&A #13: Bergepanthers | The Tank Museum
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- In his latest Q&A, Curator David Willey talks Bergepanthers, WW1 Tank Battalions, Canister Shot tank rounds, the Tetrarch and much more!
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I live for the clap at the start of each episode.
Why?
DylanB56 And the guitar riff!
@@wanderer397 who doesn't hate Chlamydia
I'm pretty sure he's just copying Alexa Melo. Wonderful artist.
@@wallacepgames3246 Isolation effects our mental abilities
Dream job, sitting in the garden, drinking beer and talking tanks
With a dog you can throw balls for.
Steve Green and who gets his own tea.
I keep thinking a dogs dream job, laying in a warm sunny garden listening to tank stories and having your ball thrown any time you like. Getting the odd lick of beer to boot!.
Finn is such a cool dog! 😁
Come for the tanks, stay for Finn!
Cheers Dave, thank you once again.
I"m here in Oz, and my favorite day is a day when I see a Q & A pop up on RUclips.
Btw, anyone thinking of buying something from the shop, do it!! I ordered a heap of stuff a couple of weeks ago. Took a total of 6 days from order to delivery. UK to Sydney Australia in 6 days is just amazing :)
Good to know, Dave. Thanks for the heads up. Now to try and avoid opening the shop in a new browser tab...
nice,im in oz to looking forward to cobi's 131,cheers.
Finn’s back. Missed him at Tankfest it it’s good he’s back on our screens. Tankfest was brilliant by the way, the only thing missing was the smell of oil, diesel, petrol and exhaust fumes. Can’t wait for next year.
I love woodwork, I bought a new bandsaw years ago which was covered in packing grease and oil, when I was assembling it in my workshop, without any irony, my wife said "it smells like a tank museum in here", can't imagine how she knew.
Surely the dog is "Fin", as in "Load Fin!" ....APFSDS(T) that is...
Yeah ! Diesel and Dust !
Long Live the Clap by David Willey. Reassured to see the pint.
V22 Osprey is the Aircraft. I see them fly over my house everyday
Sneaky Marines!
Hard hat area then!
It's cool watching them test fly when I'm at a truck stop in Amarillo, TX.
Apparently the SAS have purchased a number of these, hence their presence over the West Midlands. Have seen a trio of them near RAF Shawbury recently.
Would love to see some Bovington Tank Museum mouse mats in the shop.. I have a cracking Tiger Ausf E mouse mat I got from Musee Des Blindes last summer, would be great to see a Tiger 131 and other versions from Bovington! The Q&A’s have been super, keep it up! Karl
David,
Arranging the flyover at 23:10 was the best! Best wishes for a successful reopening. Although I live in the US, I hope to visit the Tank Museum in the future.
6 Armies in Normandy covers or has a chapter on the Canadians - John Keegan, from memory. Great read. A bit on Poland and France, too.
My wife decided to do the right thing and let me make a "donation to charity" by making the most of your shop. She ended up buying more than I did, however she was unable to find any tank jigsaws, there were helicopter ones, truck ones, plane ones but no tanks!! I did offer to paint the back of one olive drab but apparently it's not the same! Love the q&a s, always trying to spot Finn, the more he features the better, My dog marnie is still waiting for the ball tank tennis balls!)
Long live the clap! David has found trademark!
An office joke in the making, "the curator's clap". If it was funny once it is funny a thousand times.
Thankyou David,great vlog, my son bought me from the museum shop with his pocket money for father's day 2 battle Story books (alemein & Arnhem) & forgotten voices desert victory & His Finest Hour. Which I have thoroughly enjoyed reading. Thankyou.
My books arrived, nicely packaged, great service by the team at the shop.
Extra points for the drinking it despite the fly. Await updates on whether or not it survived :)
Loss of points for not making the fly spit what it had drunk out...
Tetrarch sound like the perfect thing for the Army to send to Birma and Madagascar. Forrests, simple trails, low priority areas.-- "You get them all. Use them. Cannabalize them. -- You don't get spare parts."
David, love the Q&A videos, and im happy to hear the museum will be re-opening. Short question if i may, is the minifigure in the Cobi A-12 Matilda II tank set supposed to be you? I highly suspect it is, but i dont see it confirmed anywhere.
On canister shot, the US deployed a canister round in Iraq where a single shot launches over 1,000 metal balls. So they are still in service today.
Finn: Bye bye? B... B means... BALL! BALL! BALL!
Crazy thing? The Virus has helped get out the word about the Tank Museum. Your new wife wants to go to the Tank Museum? KEEPER!
Not just the Tank Museum. 2/3 of my current subscrition channels are stuff I found during isolation...
@@jlvfr SUPER! Life is crazy and yet out there, there is great stuff to learn.
I've been so impressed with the perseverance and ingenuity of the staff of the Tank Museum to keep the income coming in. Hats off (with a nod to the Director) to you. Off to the shop I go...
I don't know why but at first I read that as the preservation of staff!! 😂
I loved the online tankfest. Ordered more bits from the shop and Hi Finn! Good boy!
I have really enjoyed these chats I took your advice I purchased 3 books via the shop very impressed with the service of the shop prices and postage .
Canister rounds were used by the Marines in the Pacific to clear foliage and snipers in the trees.
I do hope these Q&As will continue after reopening, preferably in the same format (not of course during bad weather), very entertaining and relaxing.
"purely medicinal" hahahaha love it! and - good dog!
I think it was Churchill who said something to the effect of "the widest gulf between our two peoples is the English language" when referring to the USA and UK. 😆
We have a Canister round on our M1s - converts the tank into a 120mm shotgun. Back when we had Leo 1 we had canister (muzzle action i.e. "shotgun like") and APERS (dial in a range and it detonates at that distance)
Love these Q and A sessions
Canister was considered very handy by the Australian Army in Vietnam for precisely the reasons mentioned. Centurion may have been thought outdated. Right up until they stripped well concealed machine gun posts naked. Then you probably liked them.
I saw a saladin fire several canister 'rounds' at different 6' square targets.... the targets disappeared !!
@@jaimz1499 precise no but a few of my fathers generation regarded actually hitting an enemy as a bonus. If Infantry, I know where to shoot. If supply convoy, I know where to shoot and I have an M2. If Armour, HE Loader if you please. FO, Fire Mission, aim it over there as I now know where there should be.
Love that painted artillery shell.
The accounts of the effectiveness of cannister in the extracation from Imjin in Korea are legend.
Just received a Westland Sea King Haynes manual I ordered last month. What a GREAT read. Sadly, just too pricey to ship over to Missouri. Wish It was reasonable to buy so much more.
@David Willey the US planes with the Tilitrotors you talked are most likely V-22 Ospreys
I live in Albuquerque and our conversations are interrupted by Ospreys fairly regularly.
I would have more faith in my unis plan for online lectures next year if they were held to the same quality as David’s Q and A session.
Canister Shot was not used by the US Army to my knowledge in WWII. However, I have been told the US Army issued what was called a "Flechette" round. It contained metal darts instead of balls like a shotgun. I was also told it was only issued for 37mm guns.
14:12 - I am now a happy watcher. Carry on please David the star of the show has arrived :-)
The last time i searched on the internet about what happened to the E100 Hull was that it ended up here in Southampton in a scrap yard many years ago and was scrapped!
I’ve really enjoyed our time in the garden with you I expect you’re going to be far too busy to carry them on which is a shame. I don’t know how many we have left to look forward to but thank you for the excellent work.
The Curator it is not only a title it is an Institution!
has our man at the tank museum got a beer on the go in this video? good lad
I have a question. The German Wiesel armoured vehicles have an inverted track system where the drive sprocket has holes rather than teeth. Is this unique to this vehicle?
No. Eg. sprocket T34 (chapter IV suspension): www.allworldwars.com/T-34%20Tank%20Service%20Manual.html
(The M114 uses a central sprocket: afvdb.50megs.com/usa/pics/m114.html)
Like the people before me stated that the T-34 also the BT series of tanks used that system its more practical on smaller and lighter vehicles, since this system put an enormous stress on the track teeth but like on the Wieserl caouse its so lightweight nature ist more feasable.
Thanks friends :)
Hi David, I was wondering if you know anything about the Shervic variants that were sent to Tanganyika. Are there any specimens around?
Many thanks
Nick
23:10 the aircraft flying over is a V-22 Osprey
On Das Reich, I visited Oradour a couple of years ago. Very sombre place. Should be seen
David what would you say is the most important / impactful designs, improvements and upgrades over the generations of tanks form little Willey to currently serving MBT and APC
Hi David, loving the quarantine content. My question is why was the king tiger categorised as a Panzer VI-B rather than its own Panzer VII?
From an earlier chat, i believe the numbering relates to the weight classification
Panzer Vii was the Lowe(Lion) design, not built
Panzer Viii was the Maus(Mouse)
Who says the Germans don't have irony
King Tiger being a similar weight/power classification to the original tiger
The Pzkw classification system, which was upheld before the war but did slide a bit as the war progressed, put assault/breakthrough tanks into category VI. III were pretty much the same concept as what the UK called “cruisers” and IV the “infantry” or support tanks which were intended to fire mostly HE, even though Pzkw IV filled both the original III and IV roles after it got the longer 75mm guns (though the short 75mm L24 had a reasonably effective HEAT round it wasn’t the most accurate gun in the world at longer ranges).
Tiger II was designed as an assault/breakthrough tank so it was a VI. Even though at the time a more realistic category might have been “heavy tanks/mobile bunkers for urgently plugging holes in our defences” by the time it entered service.
In principle there could have been more than one tank type in each of the III and IV categories, but the original vehicles turned out to be incredibly adaptable and able to accept all kinds of modifications so there was no need to entirely replace with something entirely new. Until Pzkw V Panther came along, which was kind of supposed, among other things, to be the replacement for the III and IV categories as a kind of do-anything “main battle tank” but ended up being used alongside the IV rather than entirely replacing it. The III having been earlier dropped from production other than the chassis and lower hull which was used for the Stug III, until the production line was heavily bombed and the Stug IV went into series production instead.
Pz I and II? Category Pz I was for training vehicles, and category II light tanks for training that might have some combat uses as well. In 1939 light tanks were still commonplace and the Pz II was decently armed and quite capable compared to many of its competitors such as the Vickers light tanks, Polish tankettes etc.
suggestion for the online shop. You could include a converter to other currencies from British Sterling. Alson cost of shipping so a person knows the real cost of your items.
There is an option to have prices displayed in several currencies. On mobile it is right at the top.
Although the actual purchase is in GBP and your bank / CC fees or exchange rates may differ.
@@88porpoise thank you for your quick reply.
Got my hands on a whole load of excellent books from your store - including Das Reich. Can't wait to visit when you open again (although I'll be missing these garden chats).
My Border Collie called finn loves a good cup of tea. Does Finn like a good brew or is he a coffee fan? Keep up the great work!
When he said "he's just had his tea" I think he meant food and not a cup of tea.
Water and bisquits for Finn, or does he like Earl Grey?
Question, what is your relationship with some American armor museums? Have they influenced aspects of the tank museum or vice versa? By the way I’m a volunteer at the American Heritage Museum near Boston and I love these videos!
In the US, the term "cracker" now means a low brow white guy. I'm a Floridan and the word came from the cowboys (we have more cattle than Texas). Cattle here were kept in let's say 'brush" to make it easier. Florida cowboys used whips to collect the cattle and they would "crack" the whips. Terms change over time.
Florida has more cattle than Texas??? Has the world gone mad? Somehow Florida Longhorn doesn't have the same ring to it as Texas Longhorn does.
23:10 don't you hate it when an Osprey interrupts your video
they got 52 feckin states to fly over and they come here?
@@Dockhead There aren't 52 states.
Thanks for answering my comment on the Light Tank Mark VII David :D
Any recommendations for collections to visit showing support vehicles (trucks, anti-tank, arty, APCs, etc)? Or any 'plans' to highlight them at the museum? I'm aware the Tank Museum will probably focus on tanks, and there are a couple hidden away like the U carrier, but I'd love to see more of all these vehicles that are needed to support the big toys.
Fantastic as ever!
Can you speak on the design of the challenger's drivers hatch/viewport and why it is not protected by any composite armor? If the hatch was on level with the turret ring (similar to most modern MBT's or even the Chieftain) the weak spot would be alot smaller. Thanks
I could listen to these all day. David Willey is a National Treasure. Tempted by the Haines manuals my picks would be Tiger 1 and T34 as these would be an interesting comparison/ contrast. Which Haines manual would you pick and why?
Considering what happened with the T28/T95 in the US,it wouldn't be a surprise if the E-100 hull turns out to be still in Chobham, inside of the remnants of an old, long forgotten building.
14:33 Fired shot from a 76mm using Saladin Armoured car in Cyprus 1990.
and from Scorpion.
I fired 76 from a Cougar, but it was the low pressure, not the same as the WW2 round.
Great video as always and learned so many interesting facts and anecdotes. Many thanks to you for your time and research needed for each of these videos, they are just the best videos on RUclips!
Stay safe and have fun,
Joe
PS Hello to Finn
Has Finn been "Stabilised"????????????
David there were three books on the table that you didn't mention with the main title "Battle Tanks"
Do you think the e100 was possibly buried at Chobham? I guess what I'm thinking is was it by any chance used for target practice and subsequently buried.
Can you imagine how amazing it would be to be rediscovered under a few feet of earth and metal shards in some non-discript range in the English countryside.
We can dream! 😁
Not to be confused with Panther Burgers... WHICH ARE DELICIOUS.
So someone in the Chobham area has a super heavy tank sitting in their back garden then!
Is there a video record of the visit of Otto Carius to the Tank Museum ? Vide
Thanks again. Was a bit concerned for the first 14 minutes that Finn wasn't on the crew today!
Are you going to continue the Q&A sessions after the museum reopens? Hope so as I find them not only informative but enjoyable. I see what you mean about good value in the shop. I've just bought myself a couple more of the Haynes manuals which I hadn't realised existed to go with my Sherman and Tiger ones. I was quite restrained today however but will pick a few more up in the next couple of weeks as they're too good a price to miss out on.
To those in the comments, how is it possible for someone to sit and talk about something on one subject? I understand he is so passionate about it but it still amazes me. But of course there are thousands of people like this. Usually to keep talking about something I need some banter or an alternative view.
How do I get the inflatable round out of the breach of my barrel? I'm new to tanks and got it mixed in with my normal rounds
Another great discussion, cheers but I miss Finn.
I have The Train Book in hardback and it is excellent. Did not know there was a Tank Book. Had a look in the shop. Paper back is £6.99 but I went for the hard back at £17.99. I was surprised to find The Art Of Happiness by the Dalai Lama in the shop!!! I have that and it is an excellent read.
I ordered the book Thursday the 2nd and It arrived today Monday the 6th. Fantastic service from the Tank shop :)
How does someone become a Curator?
Meaning what schooling and degrees are needed?
The biggest element is luck - there are far more people with the museum qualifications than there are jobs in the sector.
There is Finn! Good dog!
Hi, David & Finn, thanks for these Q&As. Can you say when, where and how tanks were used in the Far East & Pacific theatres in WW2?
David a quick question. Did the Germans employ glycol Wet ammo racks or a equivalent in their Tanks, just as the Allies did to reduce the danger of a cook off in event of a Tank fire?
I have the book, The Royal Canadian Armoured Corps by John Marteinson and Michael McNorgan. It details Canadian mounted horse troops, early armoured cars, and tanks in WWI, then goes into Canadian armoured history of WWII and then post war up to 2000, including Korean war and NATO and UN missions. I find it is a good book, was $70 at the time, likely worth more now should you find a copy.
Damn right you drink that beer with a fly in it.
[Inverting fly over glass and shaking it] Spit it out, ye wee bugger!
@@thoughtengine this honestly gave me a laugh i needed.
BTdubs, we have an MP named Finn Donnaly, a former marathon swimmer and strong defender of the health rivers and oceans.
I have a question...I have seen plenty of photos of aircraft that were captured and used, Japanese P40s, German Hurricanes, etc but looking on the tank side other than the Germans (who seemed to use everything they could get their hands on) I have only found a single photo of a "Freedom Stug" being used by the Americans in France so I was curious how common was the use of captured tanks by nations other than Germany and who used what?
Hope to be in Bovington in July, maybe I'll see my lockdown heroes!
Just had a more specific question for you.
The frame (circular thing with antennas all over it) on the top of a Challenger 2's turret in the latest modifications? What is that for? Radio interface or some kind of Electronic Warfare Package?
Tankfest way great...but where was Finn?
I have a couple of questions about camoflage patterns, I know that all sides used field applied camoflage patterns to some extent during ww2 but was there any kind of guidance provided to the troops for the use of these camoflage patterns or were they made up on the spot? Were there any distinct unit specific schemes or was it fairly standardised? And finally, were camoflage schemes applied during the ww1? I have seen photos of German or French tanks in the latter half of ww1 with camoflage patterns but I can't remember seeing any British tanks carrying one
Sorry, but the topic about the Bergepanther is just not right, Bergepanther were used to tow other tanks:
A Bergepanther drove 4200 km without new spareparts and 1000 km from 4200 km it was towing other panthers.
(Panther - Thomas Anderson page 55.)
"There is an article on this subject in the June 1944 edition of Nachrichtenblatt der Panzertruppen (News sheet: Armoured troops):
Performance of a Panther-recovery tank driver.Unteroffizier Krause of a Panther workshop platoon has up to 3 May 1944 driven his Panther recovery tank - Chassis No. 212132 - 4,200km without an enginechange or damage to the transmission, including the final drive units, gearbox and drive shaft. Approximately 1,000km of this was made towing a Panther tank. The vehicle and engine are still in excellent condition and continue to be operational.(Panther - Thomas Anderson page 55).
To assume that panzer III and IV in 1944/45 were that much more reliable than the panther is a misconception.
They started to suffer from the same late war limitations as the Panther.
"From the front there continues to be serious complaints regarding final drive breakdowns in all vehicle types. Approximately 200 breakdowns have been reported with the 38(t). Prior to the 1945 eastern offensive there have been 500 defective final drives in the Panzer IV. From the Panther 370 and from the Tiger roughly 100.
General Thomale explained that in such circumstances an orderly utilization of tank is simply impossible. The troops lose their confidence and, in some situation, abandon the whole vehicle just because of this problem. He requests an increase in efforts for the final drive, since only this way can the problem be laid to rest. With the previously intense criticism of the engine and the final drive continually playing such a roll, it is welcome news to learn that the gearbox generally enjoys a good reputation. (Page 259 "Panther and its Variants" by Walther Speilberger).
According to Hartmut Knittels Book "Panzerfertigung im Zweiten Weltkrieg", the officials in the Nibelungen Werke (Panzer IV production) were clearly aware that they made use of final drives, which did not meet the quality standards. The german war industry was forced to experiment with the hardening processes during the steel production, because they were short on certain resources. This could be the reason, why all late war german tanks (38t, Panzer III and IV, Panthers, Tigers) suffered from broken finald drives and bad bearings.
Were the final drives to weak or a flawed designe. I dont think so:
Some people claim, that the final drives of the Panther were bad by design, but the Centurion, which was 7 tons heavier, used the exact same type of final drives. Like many other tanks too. M26 Pershing for example.
The theory that the drivetrain of the Panther was overstressed, can explain why Panthers had big reliability problems.
But this theory can not explain, why large percentage of Panthers made it easily beyond those often claimed 150 km before the final drive gave up or other parts of the drivetrain broke down. This theory can not explain why a Bergepanther drove 4200 including the stress of towing another 45 Ton Panther without receiving any damage.
I think production quality, available resources and crew training were the true limiting factors.
Why should they even bother to choose the Panther as ARV if the drive train is overstressed?
If you google for pictures "Bergepanther towing" you can find several Photographs off Bergepanther towing the heaviest german equipment like Tigers, Ferdinands and even Sturmtigers.
An unskilled driver can wreck every tank within minuts, even a Leopard.
A book about Canadian armour in Normandy:
Twenty-One Days in Normandy: Maj. Gen George Kitching and the 4th Canadian Armoured Division
By Angelo Caravaggio
Haven't read it so can't say if it's any good, but worth a try.
God that’s the most Italian name I’ve ever heard
Hello David - I have a question - what is / was the advantage of towed artillery / anti-tank guns over self-propelled versions? For example, why build an 8 ton half track to tow and 88 flak gun? Would it not have made more sense to mount the gun on an (armoured) vehicle? Although I understand that the various German vehicles mounting the Pak 40 were not that effective - but where they not more effective than horses pulling it? - Then again - why not just make another Stug or Panzer IV? Or am I overthinking this? Thanks - Ciarán Dunbar
Got the tank book t 34 Haynes and sherman Haynes books and they are fantastic reads! The pictures alone imo are worth the books alot of them are pics I've never seen, let alone the information inside.
Finn says - " Just throw the Ball!"
Loving these videos! A lot of talk goes about about how powerful the 17-pounder is/was. What specifically made it so powerful, and what made it less accurate than the US 76mm or the German 88mm?
Energy = mass x velocity ^ 2. The 17-pounder had a heavy shell and propelled it to a high velocity compared to earlier UK guns, so it has more energy than, in particular, a lower velocity shell.
Add in the APDS concept - having a thinner, lighter but faster round - and you get even more penetration.
The APCBC was a pretty accurate round, the issue was early British wartime 17pdr SVDS fired from it which could be a bit inacurate (the same projectile in the 77mm did not suffer the accuracy issue).
Case size and propellant mix added to projectile design and weight coupled with barrel length all add up to make the power of the round - the 17pdr had a particularly hot propellant mix (the US did consider it for the 76mm).
There was also an issue with the sights not being marked for all rounds initially, particularly when the MK 3 HE round entered service which was fired at a lower velocity (Gunners were told to manually adjust aim by a set amount).
I wonder if there any statistics on the success rate of going and picking up a damaged or knocked out tank on the battlefield after the skirmish is over. I know the Germans did quite a bit of that in the North African desert and I think it was key -- that the side that was able to scavenge the best after a battle did better because they could drag off damaged equipment for repair and reservice.
Drinking beer and talking about armor hot damn
The job of my dreams.
I am humbled that you were able to use my comment, thank you.
David - any comment on how it feels that a 3+ hour video of paint drying currently has more views than all but one or two of these excellent Q&As?
Delighted that the paint drying was such a hit or the feeling that you'd get more views if Finn did them?
Strange trivia. The animated television show Cowboy Bebop has an opening credits montage accompanied by a song titled "TANK!" The song has a great bass line not unlike your Curator at Home episodes.
Greetings from Germany. Greatly enjoying my 8.8 cm Flak shell (it says flak on the base of the casing, but it has a Tiger on the packaging, go figure).
As for my question, its about 2 man turrets. Most countries used them one way or another, but there seems to be little consensus on whether the role of commander is given to the loader (Soviets did that it seems) or to the gunner. Easiest way to tell is who gets the cupola and who doesnt, but its clearly an ergonomic issue as well. Both make sense in a different way, but whats your opinion on the advantages and drawbacks of doing it either way and which one, in your opinion, is better?
Also, curiously Germany almost completely skipped 2 man turrets, except for their Czech imports, the Sdkfz.234/2 and Hängeplatte turrets (the open top ones with 2 cm Kwk 38 and a coax MG, but most other nations had at least a few of tanks with 2 man turrets for varying reasons.
Anyway, cheers.
Extra like for Finn’s reluctant goodbye.
I don't know if this will reach Mr Willey but I have to try and ask, does the Tank Museum archives contain any hint regarding 150 M4/M4A3 that Steven Zaloga claims were modified with the 17pdr for the US Army?
those were slightly different from the original Firefly conversions since they would used US Army standard equipment, like the larger radio
I've seen online scans of the documents with the order to deliver 150 Shermans to the UK, in addition to the hundreads already undergoing a variety of modifications (like flametrhower or mine-flail) in the UK, and another document scan regarding 80 of those being finished and delivered to the US Army between February and March 1945
however besides these documents and Steven Zaloga's source material, there are no other known documents about them or their fate, not even photos
that is the reason I wondered if from the British side there are documents left about them, or even photos
There are photos of a couple in a UK scrap yard post war, in an online article about them. They did not have the same large turret bustle the UK used.
@@chaz8758 I know about that photo but it alone is not enough proof since there are 2 pesky little M22 Locust blocking the view and thus we cannot see the whole tank
additionally I've only encountered low-res re-uploads of that photo, if I could find a high-res original upload I could probably zoom in and check the serial number on the chassis
thanks to the website the.shaddock.free.fr we have detailed info on the serial number of all Shermans based on date of production and variant, that way I could confirm if it is a late 1944 or early 1945 production M4 Composite/Hybrid when all production switched from VVSS to HVSS suspension
another reason why finding a high-res photo is important would be to check if there is a bracket for the .50cal welded to the bustle box, unlike the British the US Army did not want to lose the .50 cal
there is also a document with a curious paragraph because it specifies the serial number of 8 M4A3 (75)-W w/HVSS as having been modified and departing Bovington on May 1945
at the end of the day it is all bits of info scattered everywhere with no definitive proof of how many and which variants were actually converted, delivered and what was their fate
Crown Trivia: Canada, of course as part of the Commonwealth, uses the same crown on its cap badges
The T shirt former that last week had an alien head this week is all Beard!
Invasion of the Body Snatchers? Is the T shirt former trying to turn into David?! 😱😱😱
& Mr. Willey - thank you for a Fantastic event - really enjoyed every minute of Tankfest. (Should it be renamed Tankfeast?)👍🏻