No one ever talks about eating unhealthy food or really and truly discuss gluttony. I was appalled when I found out the word means eating more than you need. Being severely overweight is really bad for our health but that’s the elephant in the room that’s never discussed.
Hi Marilyn - so the whole ‘health’ issue and concern with diets and such - were more of a SDA and LDS concern here in modernity. And more ancient is the Roman Catholic Church ‘Seven Deadly Sins’… where gluttony is certainly called out. In Holy Orthodoxy - our evening prayers definitely cause us to recall and repent ‘if we have eaten too much’. But, these ancient liturgical prayers aren’t rooted in emotionalism and many in Pentecost can’t see their worth… but they definitely call out and make one consider their ways. Medicinal / Juridical - between these two tensions I believe is appropriate… I strive to lean towards medicinal in my approach to understanding the redemptive work performed in my life… and in that understanding - I believe God works out ‘unto all pleasing’ - and gently instructing and correcting and leading me to all truths. I believe we all have work to do in the arena of ‘temple maintenance’. Healthy eating and taking care of ourselves is good and appropriate while journeying in the life below. Improper anything is out of order… but. As you said - calling out obesity and eating unhealthy foods - is the calling on folks to address the elephant in the room. And for the record - I am overweight… and I working on this at the moment and bringing this into subjection. I recognize my diet was improper. And to date, I am 30 pounds lighter - and have about another 40 to go.
Just to point out scripture…Jesus called out pharisees for speaking that he was a glutton. Now…. If you do research you will find gluttony is not just food. Also, genetics, physical and mental health play a part in a lot of people’s physical condition. The fact that you decided to come at people as you’re obese so you must be a glutton and sinning. I pray for the mercy of Jesus over you. As I don’t have an eat sweets problem. I have a pancreas issue and so much more. I don’t eat a lot. I’m writhing in pain. I am morbidly obese. My cousin born the same year is anorexic thin but not by choice. She has a similar condition and it can either make you skinny or obese. Stop being judgmental. You never know a persons situation. That is all.
@@Acts238-39I totally agree with you. So many people do not have compassion and just say things that are hurtful. Nobody knows more about being overweight than the person that is and so many times there are other issues at play. Many overweight people eat less food then skinny people and until you’ve walked in someone else’s shoes a person should be very careful what they say or the looks they give others. Remember a good rule is always look at everyone with compassion you just don’t know what someone is going through.
Pretty good teaching here - in Orthodox Christianity - we collectively are vegan every Wednesday and Friday - in remembrance of Christ’s betrayal and Christ’s crucifixion…. We also have four - 40ish day fast periods where we are vegan…. These fasting exercises do not save us - but they do help us to align our lives and tame our passions. We work out together as a community our souls’ salvation. In my local parish - we have some people who are coming from an Islamic background - and knowing this - I do not offer them pork if they are over. I also identify if there is any pork product any dish that I make for our Agape meals post Divine Liturgy where we eat as a community every Sunday. And we phase out to Vegan often - so we all comply to the standard and make our dishes accordingly. It really causes one to be mindful of what one is eating.
@@tto7365 - thanks for sharing your opinion. Unlike the Protestant fronema (mindset in Greek) which includes UPCI and other off shoots in the Fractured West from the True Faith - we view our salvation in Christ God as ‘worked out in Community’. What you are so quickly dismissing in what I perceive as arrogance - is part of our spiritual disciplines. I would fathom it would be along the lines of a UPCI pastor calling for the local church he ministers to to a collective fast for all the congregants to join together. If I recall correctly, this did happen on occasion when I was part of the rank and file of several UPCI churches and within different Districts. So I ask you, is it a man made rule when it is asked by a UPCI preacher - or is it somehow suddenly ‘spiritual’. In my opinion, perhaps it is wiser to seek to understand things better and inform oneself before commenting. We also have prayer rules… fasting rules… modesty rules… and a whole bunch of things that we submit ourselves to in the liberty of Christ God produced in His righteousness alone and enabled by His grace already present in our lives - dying out daily to his good and perfect will.
@@Rileyed - Orthodox Christians do not teach against eating meat. We chose to abstain from eating eggs, dairy, and flesh - at prescribed times as part of our spiritual disciplines. It follows the liturgical calendar. Ironically - modernity has recognized the health benefits from cycling certain foods in and out of one’s diet … and intermittently fasting from food at regular intervals. This has long been a part of Orthodoxy. Hope you’re well. Be encouraged.
@@revamp6612 - Hey Revamp - I went back to all my interactions with your important solid points - and I solidly gave you answers to your questions. Actually - I am not here for arguments. I am here to learn and when some offers up a good answer - thought - idea - I consider it. But, so far - I haven’t read anything from you that sparks inspiration - sadly. I have read all your comments here of late… canned, boxed, and frozen… all processed from the PPH…. And. No. I don’t have all the answers…
Hey brother Bernard? Would it be possible to start having guests on future podcasts? Id love to see this content explained from different yet likeminded perspectives. I think it would be cool to invite people across the Apostolic movement as a whole, UPCI and abroad, to join your podcasts and have a dialogue about the word of God. God Bless ❤
Christian liberty, as understood by the Bible, refers to the freedom that believers have in Christ. It is the freedom from the bondage of sin and the law, obtained through faith in Jesus Christ. The concept is derived from passages such as Galatians 5:1, which states, "It is for freedom that Christ has set us free." Christian liberty is not a license to live according to our own desires or to indulge in sinful behavior. Rather, it is a freedom to live in accordance with God's will and to love and serve others. It involves being free from the burden of trying to earn salvation through our own efforts, as we are saved by grace through faith. In exercising Christian liberty, believers are called to live in love, following the guidance of the Holy Spirit and the teachings of Jesus. It means using our freedom responsibly, considering the impact of our choices on others and seeking to honor God in all that we do. Christian liberty is ultimately about living in the freedom that comes from being in a relationship with Jesus and allowing his transforming power to shape our lives.
SINNING AGAINST THE BRETHREN “See verse 12” 1 Corinthians 8:9-13 KJV But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. [10] For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; [11] And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? [12] But ➡️when ye sin so against the brethren⬅️, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. [13] Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.
The three main controversies among Apostolics were not even mentioned. Men having beards. Can women trim hair. Can women wear pants. Those should have been the first ones dealt with.
@@rickybuller and a book to you can buy from PPH and get a 10 percent discount if you use the promo code DKB at check out. Haha. But seriously. The Roman Church required her clergy to be clean shaven…. The UPCI is more Roman than the organization realizes. Men are to be the opposite of the woman… unless it’s acceptable for Aunt Ruth to have a beard … requiring men to be clean shaven, whether there’s a written or unspoken rule, is borderline effeminacy.
Assertion: “ALL Pentecostals handle snakes… and drink deadly things.” And knowing the the UPCI does NOT do these things - I think you would be generally offended to be lumped together with folks who say they’re Pentecostal … but they believe in a way unlike you do. My point here is that oftentimes UPCIers tend to lump ALL Trinitarians in a single group - as if all folks who say they’re ‘trinitarian’ believe exactly the same way. As a Classical trinitarian - I have been told here in these forums what UPCIers have been told that I believe…. All parrot-phrasing and regurgitating what they wrongly *assert* I believe. It isn’t Christian liberty to try and take Christ-God away from folks who do not believe exactly as you do … it’s prideful flesh cloaked as spirituality. Where does the wind blow? Where does it come from? And where does it go? Are you suddenly a ‘Pentecostal Pocahontas’ where you can ‘see the colors of the Wind’? To assert that I believe in three gods is quite ludicrous… Father. Son. Holy Spirt. One in Essence and Undivided. This little phrase swats down this incorrect claim. To say I don’t know who Christ God is - places one in a position of all knowing - and that special knowledge is akin to the first heresy that attacked the glorious Church - Gnosticism. If you have the Godhead all figured out… then you perhaps you’re greater than the Apostles… who said of this Godhead - as a great mystery. It’s not like I am using a black magic highlighter - and lining out / redacting Deut 6:4… the Shema - and oddly all the ‘Oneness’ scriptures often cited to ‘prove me wrong’ - are all found to support the symbol of the Common Faith - the Nicene Creed. And I am certainly not lining out the Logos in John 1 … And I also see precisely where the Trinity is revealed in Scriptures - the Theophany … and I don’t have to do a twisty dance about how the Scripture is worded… and John touched a bit more on the Logos in his general epistles - the three that record in heaven. The Orthodox Church in her Wisdom - doesn’t ask of folks their opinions of her Christ-God - her Teachings and her Traditions - that were handed down by the Apostles and preserved for perpetuity. There is one saving name - manifested by Christ-God. And out of His precious side on Calvary - His Church was created.
How about Christian liberty to smoke a cigar? Or eating sugar? Neither is mentioned in the Bible. If you take DKB’s four questions then you should not do either. Is sugar a sin?
Thanks! We could categorize and itemize each and every action and substance whether it's within liberty or grace or sin or God's permissive will or God's perfect will until we weaken and even destroy the revelation of our salvation with human logic and reason. How about this?...... Don't turn Liberty into Sin and don't turn Sin into Liberty......... Liberty is Holy........ Sin is not.
Any conviction of sin, repentance and submission should be directly of God and not men. When God does the work then it becomes a strong foundation. When men do it then it is weak and will fail. We're to please God and not ourselves or others
Could you do a podcast explaining the reason why Samson had long hair in the Bible but then Jesus says a man should keep his hair cut short? I know the Bible doesn’t contradict itself and God isn’t the author of confusion but I’d just like to know
Samson was following nazarite law in the old testament. Wasnt allowed to touch grapes and everyone couldn't eat unclean meats either. Now you can under the new covenant and the nazarite vow isn't in effect
Did Jesus say that men were to have short hair? Or was that mentioned in an epistle? And in that particular passage - did it say that long hair was universally forbidden? Or were the authors addressing a local custom and practice uniquely connected to whom the epistle was written?
@@realmccoy124Correct that it was an epistle, 1 Corinthians 11 to be exact. It had nothing to do with the local customs however since Paul appeals to creation and a nature to establish this doctrine, and also he taught that all Churches have these customs that he gave to the Corinthians.
@@Republican_Banana - thanks for your response. In Holy Orthodoxy, there are two systems - cathedral and monastics. Many monks and some priests have ‘unkempt hair’ and beards in submission to God - as part of their asceticism. Some laity may chose to also have unkempt hair. I, for one, wear a beard - but I chose to keep it neatly groomed albeit it fairly long - and I wear my hair short. I am not convinced this is a ‘heaven or hell issue’ as I am sure folks in the UPCI camp may take. I will have to check out how things are worded in the Authorized KJV - against the Reformed KJV that most in Protestantdom are familiar with - and go back to the Greek New Testament. It will prove interesting to hear how the Church in her wisdom has understood this particular passage since the beginning. Trust you are well.
@@realmccoy124 I'm actually pleased to see beards making a comeback in the UPCI. I can't grow one yet as I'm part of the ministry team and it's a preference for my pastor for the team to be clean shaven. But many churches are allowing it again finally
And many other things. So should we go back to the dietary laws of the Old Testament in regards to what we eat/drink? Are you a sinless perfectionist, or do you believe that what the Bible does not specifically name as sin is sin? At what points do our doctrines become man made?
@tyler9_10 works based or just simply an unbeliever trying to make a point out of something that has been settled for nearly 2k yrs. The dietary laws, rituals, etc. are done away with.
@@Post-Tribok I know we’re not works based. But who’s to say what immediately affects your body? To compare tobacco to fornication is a bit of a stretch in my opinion. Even medications have side affects. I was simply saying that I believe that a better example could be used to prove your point is all. Not meaning to trigger anyone…
Within the UPCI, in my observation, exercising one's christian liberty can have it's problems. In some cases, Oneness apostolics are known to comment and judge other denominational christians because of doctrine, ferociously defending Oneness against Trinity. I'm not speaking of having debate or questions, which many of us do, but seeing how easy it is actually accuse others (who can't understand the Oneness doctrine) of being WRONG, of worshipping 3 gods, of not knowing who Jesus truly is, and in spiritual danger because of it. This is wrong, imo. But only God is sovereign, so God forgive me if I am wrong here. Those remarks "are stumblingblocks that fall in a brother's way. Again, each individual searching scripture, like the Bereans, is necessary, but it should be done in order, and not posted half-hazardly on the internet, youtube for everyone and his dog to give an opinion and just confuse us even more. It creates an attitude of judgment to those who don't comply with the Oneness doctrine. Teachings on someone's opinion or special revelation are 'permissible' I suppose, but are they spiritually lawful? Do they act as a stumblingblock to those outside the church, who may come onto the internet and see how so many disagree? That is a stumblingblock to those who may need to hear JUST the gospel and feel God's mercy and jforgiveness. Doctrinal disputations don't set the captives free. Does this Christian liberty to believe in the Godhead a certain way, and persuade trinitarian christians that their way of understanding is totally and completely wrong? Is is a provision to the flesh? The "I'm right and you're wrong spirit". If someone feels convinced in their minds then fine. But we forget that we can all stumble and pride can get in, and cause even ourselves to stumble. To accuse Trinitarians of believing in three gods? Of course, you all have the liberty as described in the bible, but is it effective to helping others come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ? "Romans 14:1 "Him that is weak in the faith, receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations."
SINNING AGAINST THE BRETHREN “See verse 12” 1 Corinthians 8:9-13 KJV But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. [10] For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; [11] And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? [12] But ➡️when ye sin so against the brethren⬅️, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. [13] Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.
Romans 14:13 KJV Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
Romans 14:17,20 KJV For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. [20] For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
I understand your thought process, and agree that Christians shouldn't drink. However, don't be so quick to condemn when God has been patient with you and I. I promise you have sins you should be expelled for, "BUT God" has covered you. Allow God to do the same for others as they learn and grow.
I've watched new people come into the church with many habits. Attacking them as soon as they climb out of the baptismal isn't the way to make a disciple! Prayer is our greatest thing we can do, and I've seen the lives changed, old habits put away. It's a joy to see and makes me so thankful that God is patient and longsuffering with all of us. The Holy Ghost DOES lead us and guide us to all truth. Meanwhile as we pray for these new babes, and not so new, our responsibilty to the Kingdom is to pray for humility and a meek and quiet spirit in our own selves, so the light of God can shine through us and share light and truth with others
No one ever talks about eating unhealthy food or really and truly discuss gluttony. I was appalled when I found out the word means eating more than you need. Being severely overweight is really bad for our health but that’s the elephant in the room that’s never discussed.
Hi Marilyn - so the whole ‘health’ issue and concern with diets and such - were more of a SDA and LDS concern here in modernity. And more ancient is the Roman Catholic Church ‘Seven Deadly Sins’… where gluttony is certainly called out. In Holy Orthodoxy - our evening prayers definitely cause us to recall and repent ‘if we have eaten too much’. But, these ancient liturgical prayers aren’t rooted in emotionalism and many in Pentecost can’t see their worth… but they definitely call out and make one consider their ways.
Medicinal / Juridical - between these two tensions I believe is appropriate… I strive to lean towards medicinal in my approach to understanding the redemptive work performed in my life… and in that understanding - I believe God works out ‘unto all pleasing’ - and gently instructing and correcting and leading me to all truths.
I believe we all have work to do in the arena of ‘temple maintenance’. Healthy eating and taking care of ourselves is good and appropriate while journeying in the life below.
Improper anything is out of order… but. As you said - calling out obesity and eating unhealthy foods - is the calling on folks to address the elephant in the room.
And for the record - I am overweight… and I working on this at the moment and bringing this into subjection. I recognize my diet was improper. And to date, I am 30 pounds lighter - and have about another 40 to go.
Just to point out scripture…Jesus called out pharisees for speaking that he was a glutton.
Now…. If you do research you will find gluttony is not just food.
Also, genetics, physical and mental health play a part in a lot of people’s physical condition.
The fact that you decided to come at people as you’re obese so you must be a glutton and sinning.
I pray for the mercy of Jesus over you.
As I don’t have an eat sweets problem. I have a pancreas issue and so much more. I don’t eat a lot. I’m writhing in pain. I am morbidly obese.
My cousin born the same year is anorexic thin but not by choice.
She has a similar condition and it can either make you skinny or obese.
Stop being judgmental. You never know a persons situation.
That is all.
@@Acts238-39I totally agree with you. So many people do not have compassion and just say things that are hurtful. Nobody knows more about being overweight than the person that is and so many times there are other issues at play. Many overweight people eat less food then skinny people and until you’ve walked in someone else’s shoes a person should be very careful what they say or the looks they give others. Remember a good rule is always look at everyone with compassion you just don’t know what someone is going through.
Wow! I enjoyed this tremendously. Phenomenal teaching Bishop.
A very timely episode
Good teaching brother Bernard!
Pretty good teaching here - in Orthodox Christianity - we collectively are vegan every Wednesday and Friday - in remembrance of Christ’s betrayal and Christ’s crucifixion…. We also have four - 40ish day fast periods where we are vegan…. These fasting exercises do not save us - but they do help us to align our lives and tame our passions. We work out together as a community our souls’ salvation.
In my local parish - we have some people who are coming from an Islamic background - and knowing this - I do not offer them pork if they are over. I also identify if there is any pork product any dish that I make for our Agape meals post Divine Liturgy where we eat as a community every Sunday. And we phase out to Vegan often - so we all comply to the standard and make our dishes accordingly. It really causes one to be mindful of what one is eating.
Wow so many man made restrictions
@@tto7365 - thanks for sharing your opinion. Unlike the Protestant fronema (mindset in Greek) which includes UPCI and other off shoots in the Fractured West from the True Faith - we view our salvation in Christ God as ‘worked out in Community’. What you are so quickly dismissing in what I perceive as arrogance - is part of our spiritual disciplines. I would fathom it would be along the lines of a UPCI pastor calling for the local church he ministers to to a collective fast for all the congregants to join together. If I recall correctly, this did happen on occasion when I was part of the rank and file of several UPCI churches and within different Districts. So I ask you, is it a man made rule when it is asked by a UPCI preacher - or is it somehow suddenly ‘spiritual’. In my opinion, perhaps it is wiser to seek to understand things better and inform oneself before commenting. We also have prayer rules… fasting rules… modesty rules… and a whole bunch of things that we submit ourselves to in the liberty of Christ God produced in His righteousness alone and enabled by His grace already present in our lives - dying out daily to his good and perfect will.
@@Rileyed - Orthodox Christians do not teach against eating meat. We chose to abstain from eating eggs, dairy, and flesh - at prescribed times as part of our spiritual disciplines. It follows the liturgical calendar. Ironically - modernity has recognized the health benefits from cycling certain foods in and out of one’s diet … and intermittently fasting from food at regular intervals. This has long been a part of Orthodoxy. Hope you’re well. Be encouraged.
@@tto7365don’t worry this man is just here for arguments. He thinks he has all the answers until he starts avoiding solid points.
@@revamp6612 - Hey Revamp - I went back to all my interactions with your important solid points - and I solidly gave you answers to your questions. Actually - I am not here for arguments. I am here to learn and when some offers up a good answer - thought - idea - I consider it. But, so far - I haven’t read anything from you that sparks inspiration - sadly. I have read all your comments here of late… canned, boxed, and frozen… all processed from the PPH…. And. No. I don’t have all the answers…
I love this episode! Thank you for sharing...
Great explanation of what Paul said, thank you.
Thanks for another great explanation of Christian Liberty. May God bless you! 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Listening. Thanks
Gbu Dr
Hey brother Bernard? Would it be possible to start having guests on future podcasts? Id love to see this content explained from different yet likeminded perspectives. I think it would be cool to invite people across the Apostolic movement as a whole, UPCI and abroad, to join your podcasts and have a dialogue about the word of God. God Bless ❤
Christian liberty, as understood by the Bible, refers to the freedom that believers have in Christ. It is the freedom from the bondage of sin and the law, obtained through faith in Jesus Christ. The concept is derived from passages such as Galatians 5:1, which states, "It is for freedom that Christ has set us free."
Christian liberty is not a license to live according to our own desires or to indulge in sinful behavior. Rather, it is a freedom to live in accordance with God's will and to love and serve others. It involves being free from the burden of trying to earn salvation through our own efforts, as we are saved by grace through faith.
In exercising Christian liberty, believers are called to live in love, following the guidance of the Holy Spirit and the teachings of Jesus. It means using our freedom responsibly, considering the impact of our choices on others and seeking to honor God in all that we do. Christian liberty is ultimately about living in the freedom that comes from being in a relationship with Jesus and allowing his transforming power to shape our lives.
To love or not to love . . .
SINNING AGAINST THE BRETHREN
“See verse 12”
1 Corinthians 8:9-13 KJV
But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. [10] For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; [11] And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? [12] But ➡️when ye sin so against the brethren⬅️, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. [13] Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.
Oh I can see using his example of not smoking seems like it could also apply to eating chocolate and drinking caffeine or am I missing something
The three main controversies among Apostolics were not even mentioned. Men having beards. Can women trim hair. Can women wear pants. Those should have been the first ones dealt with.
He has podcast about those
@@rickybuller and a book to you can buy from PPH and get a 10 percent discount if you use the promo code DKB at check out. Haha. But seriously. The Roman Church required her clergy to be clean shaven…. The UPCI is more Roman than the organization realizes. Men are to be the opposite of the woman… unless it’s acceptable for Aunt Ruth to have a beard … requiring men to be clean shaven, whether there’s a written or unspoken rule, is borderline effeminacy.
Assertion: “ALL Pentecostals handle snakes… and drink deadly things.” And knowing the the UPCI does NOT do these things - I think you would be generally offended to be lumped together with folks who say they’re Pentecostal … but they believe in a way unlike you do. My point here is that oftentimes UPCIers tend to lump ALL Trinitarians in a single group - as if all folks who say they’re ‘trinitarian’ believe exactly the same way.
As a Classical trinitarian - I have been told here in these forums what UPCIers have been told that I believe…. All parrot-phrasing and regurgitating what they wrongly *assert* I believe.
It isn’t Christian liberty to try and take Christ-God away from folks who do not believe exactly as you do … it’s prideful flesh cloaked as spirituality.
Where does the wind blow? Where does it come from? And where does it go? Are you suddenly a ‘Pentecostal Pocahontas’ where you can ‘see the colors of the Wind’?
To assert that I believe in three gods is quite ludicrous… Father. Son. Holy Spirt. One in Essence and Undivided. This little phrase swats down this incorrect claim. To say I don’t know who Christ God is - places one in a position of all knowing - and that special knowledge is akin to the first heresy that attacked the glorious Church - Gnosticism.
If you have the Godhead all figured out… then you perhaps you’re greater than the Apostles… who said of this Godhead - as a great mystery.
It’s not like I am using a black magic highlighter - and lining out / redacting Deut 6:4… the Shema - and oddly all the ‘Oneness’ scriptures often cited to ‘prove me wrong’ - are all found to support the symbol of the Common Faith - the Nicene Creed. And I am certainly not lining out the Logos in John 1 … And I also see precisely where the Trinity is revealed in Scriptures - the Theophany … and I don’t have to do a twisty dance about how the Scripture is worded… and John touched a bit more on the Logos in his general epistles - the three that record in heaven.
The Orthodox Church in her Wisdom - doesn’t ask of folks their opinions of her Christ-God - her Teachings and her Traditions - that were handed down by the Apostles and preserved for perpetuity.
There is one saving name - manifested by Christ-God. And out of His precious side on Calvary - His Church was created.
How about Christian liberty to smoke a cigar? Or eating sugar?
Neither is mentioned in the Bible. If you take DKB’s four questions then you should not do either. Is sugar a sin?
Thanks! We could categorize and itemize each and every action and substance whether it's within liberty or grace or sin or God's permissive will or God's perfect will until we weaken and even destroy the revelation of our salvation with human logic and reason.
How about this?...... Don't turn Liberty into Sin and don't turn Sin into Liberty......... Liberty is Holy........ Sin is not.
Any conviction of sin, repentance and submission should be directly of God and not men. When God does the work then it becomes a strong foundation. When men do it then it is weak and will fail.
We're to please God and not ourselves or others
But men are called to preach and pastor. God can use your pastor to convict you of sin
@Republican_Banana true. It still has to be the Spirit of God and not man's spirit or will. That's why people don't have understanding and backslide
Could you do a podcast explaining the reason why Samson had long hair in the Bible but then Jesus says a man should keep his hair cut short? I know the Bible doesn’t contradict itself and God isn’t the author of confusion but I’d just like to know
Samson was following nazarite law in the old testament. Wasnt allowed to touch grapes and everyone couldn't eat unclean meats either.
Now you can under the new covenant and the nazarite vow isn't in effect
Did Jesus say that men were to have short hair? Or was that mentioned in an epistle? And in that particular passage - did it say that long hair was universally forbidden? Or were the authors addressing a local custom and practice uniquely connected to whom the epistle was written?
@@realmccoy124Correct that it was an epistle, 1 Corinthians 11 to be exact. It had nothing to do with the local customs however since Paul appeals to creation and a nature to establish this doctrine, and also he taught that all Churches have these customs that he gave to the Corinthians.
@@Republican_Banana - thanks for your response. In Holy Orthodoxy, there are two systems - cathedral and monastics. Many monks and some priests have ‘unkempt hair’ and beards in submission to God - as part of their asceticism. Some laity may chose to also have unkempt hair. I, for one, wear a beard - but I chose to keep it neatly groomed albeit it fairly long - and I wear my hair short. I am not convinced this is a ‘heaven or hell issue’ as I am sure folks in the UPCI camp may take.
I will have to check out how things are worded in the Authorized KJV - against the Reformed KJV that most in Protestantdom are familiar with - and go back to the Greek New Testament. It will prove interesting to hear how the Church in her wisdom has understood this particular passage since the beginning. Trust you are well.
@@realmccoy124 I'm actually pleased to see beards making a comeback in the UPCI. I can't grow one yet as I'm part of the ministry team and it's a preference for my pastor for the team to be clean shaven. But many churches are allowing it again finally
Good teaching and examples.
There are some things that are immediately destructive to the body and soul. Tobacco and fornication.
And many other things. So should we go back to the dietary laws of the Old Testament in regards to what we eat/drink? Are you a sinless perfectionist, or do you believe that what the Bible does not specifically name as sin is sin? At what points do our doctrines become man made?
@tyler9_10 that's something that Calvinists ask or ignorant atheists ask.
@@Post-Tribhow does this have anything to do with Calvinism or atheists?
@tyler9_10 works based or just simply an unbeliever trying to make a point out of something that has been settled for nearly 2k yrs.
The dietary laws, rituals, etc. are done away with.
@@Post-Tribok I know we’re not works based. But who’s to say what immediately affects your body? To compare tobacco to fornication is a bit of a stretch in my opinion. Even medications have side affects. I was simply saying that I believe that a better example could be used to prove your point is all. Not meaning to trigger anyone…
Within the UPCI, in my observation, exercising one's christian liberty can have it's problems. In some cases, Oneness apostolics are known to comment and judge other denominational christians because of doctrine, ferociously defending Oneness against Trinity. I'm not speaking of having debate or questions, which many of us do, but seeing how easy it is actually accuse others (who can't understand the Oneness doctrine) of being WRONG, of worshipping 3 gods, of not knowing who Jesus truly is, and in spiritual danger because of it. This is wrong, imo. But only God is sovereign, so God forgive me if I am wrong here.
Those remarks "are stumblingblocks that fall in a brother's way. Again, each individual searching scripture, like the Bereans, is necessary, but it should be done in order, and not posted half-hazardly on the internet, youtube for everyone and his dog to give an opinion and just confuse us even more. It creates an attitude of judgment to those who don't comply with the Oneness doctrine. Teachings on someone's opinion or special revelation are 'permissible' I suppose, but are they spiritually lawful? Do they act as a stumblingblock to those outside the church, who may come onto the internet and see how so many disagree? That is a stumblingblock to those who may need to hear JUST the gospel and feel God's mercy and jforgiveness. Doctrinal disputations don't set the captives free.
Does this Christian liberty to believe in the Godhead a certain way, and persuade trinitarian christians that their way of understanding is totally and completely wrong? Is is a provision to the flesh? The "I'm right and you're wrong spirit". If someone feels convinced in their minds then fine. But we forget that we can all stumble and pride can get in, and cause even ourselves to stumble. To accuse Trinitarians of believing in three gods? Of course, you all have the liberty as described in the bible, but is it effective to helping others come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ? "Romans 14:1 "Him that is weak in the faith, receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations."
SINNING AGAINST THE BRETHREN
“See verse 12”
1 Corinthians 8:9-13 KJV
But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. [10] For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; [11] And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? [12] But ➡️when ye sin so against the brethren⬅️, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. [13] Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.
Romans 14:13 KJV
Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
Romans 14:17,20 KJV
For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost. [20] For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
Am I my brother’s keeper? Yes, I am my Brother’s keeper!
The law was not good. Paul says that the law was a curse in Galatians 3. “Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law…”
@@Rileyed you say it with no verse to back it up.
Christians who use alcohol should be expelled.
I understand your thought process, and agree that Christians shouldn't drink. However, don't be so quick to condemn when God has been patient with you and I. I promise you have sins you should be expelled for, "BUT God" has covered you. Allow God to do the same for others as they learn and grow.
I've watched new people come into the church with many habits. Attacking them as soon as they climb out of the baptismal isn't the way to make a disciple! Prayer is our greatest thing we can do, and I've seen the lives changed, old habits put away. It's a joy to see and makes me so thankful that God is patient and longsuffering with all of us. The Holy Ghost DOES lead us and guide us to all truth. Meanwhile as we pray for these new babes, and not so new, our responsibilty to the Kingdom is to pray for humility and a meek and quiet spirit in our own selves, so the light of God can shine through us and share light and truth with others
@@lindakosoff398
Beautifully said ❤
I surely hope that God doesn’t treat you the way you are wanting to treat others, brother.
Talk about having a beam in one’s own eye while trying to take the splinters out of a brother’s or sister’s eye. Wow!