Roland TD50x v Addictive Drums 2 v Superior Drummer 3 - Quick Sound and Response Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Just doing a quick trial of a single rock type preset to see how they sound how they software responds to the digital pads. Playing through a Roland TD50K2 with digital hats, snare and ride.
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AD2 is my favorite in this comparison.
I've been playing gigs since 5 years on digital kits, sd3 is by far the best sounding and user friendly, precision oriented vst in the market.. Even sounds awesome in mixes.
What interface are you using
@@MrLeftylove PrePresonus Studio 24c 2x2 USB-C
Windows
@@amitmathews1884did you know that with the TD50X, you can send BACK sounds from the VST to the module as if it was an interface, and use it's direct outputs?? If this is true, it's a game changer!
@@galgogergo thanks for the info.. I never used 50x or above
Thank you for this comparison, very helpful. I don’t suppose you could make a video showing how to set up your Roland with AD2 and SD3, or if you know of any existing videos that show how to. Thanks
It's a common question. I will put up a vid about it soon. Essentially, you plug your module into your PC via USB cable. AD2 and SD2 are great with edrums and offer presets that make it quick. Make you sure download the latest drivers for your module from Roland/whatever other manufacturer. Latency (delay between hitting the pad and hearing the sound) is always a concern but is lowered by hooking your module to an audio interface instead of directly into your PC. If you use a Mac, the interface may not be necessary, as Macs have natively low latency. Also, some PC users will hook up the module directly to their PC, skipping an audio interface, and then select the module itself as the output audio interface. Latency is fairly low with that method as well.
I can't believe I'm actually thinking about programming drums, but I don't have 12.5 fucking years to get my music out there. Recording drums takes too damn long!
(Without an engineer to do all the hard work that is)
The hard drive space consumption should be telling enough. Perhaps SD3 has more kits, but usually the more space it requires means more multi samples and velocities, which equals more realism.
you're literally the only one I could find making this content. thanks so much 🙏 plan on using my new TD50k2 with Slate's SSD5.5 and GetGoodDrums stuff in kontakt
Superior drummer 3 !
Roland kits CAN sound pretty good with some tweaking, but the stock kits are always kind of crap. It's incredible to me that they don't seem to bother making their stock kits sound as good as possible before releasing them.
Agreed. I have a Roland cloud membership so having the TD50x expansions made a difference. I still use superior drummer 3, but I now track my TD50x sounds now too.
I know it's long, but you really have to take the time to adjust in the module to have a very good sound.
What I do, I listen to a snare drum that I like in loop while I adjust on my td27 (the same on the td50 and even better) and with all the parameters I try to get as close as possible to what I hear acoustic snare
and do not be afraid to mix a snare drum with a timpani, for example to make a raggae type snare, once you have taken the time to adjust everything and save your presets, the software is hardly useful any more. ..
I love that loop idea, and the timpani stack idea.
What's your opinion on the VH14D's velocity response on AD2? Did you have to map it out by CC values (Open HH A, B, C and D)?
I just got a TD50 using my VH-11 and it's been frustrating to use the LEARN Function
Superior Drummer better by a far stretch for recording. But in a live situation I would go for the TD-50x.
I appreciated your comment and don't disagree. But I'm sincerely curious why you think so? I'm currently evaluating if I continue to do live gigs w/ my Roland module versus going with Superior Drummer.
@@Drumhits The audience really doesn't care that much about the minimal audible sound difference (even though we do). But the convenience of a stable module is far better than having to bring an extra a laptop and audio interface that might break down on you. But if you are willing to take that risk and the extra trouble then go for it.
@@EirikHasselberg Totally agree with you. Excellent point that I can't believe I didn't think about. I'm already concerned about making sure all of my electronics are going to work after I pack up my kit and move it from my basement studio and unpack/set it up at the gig. Rock on!
To me the SD3 is by far the best, then comes TD50 and much less good Addictive Drums. Buy of course it could depend a lot on the presets.
For recording, SD is the clear winner. In a live setting, the TDX is the clear winner. Could you do a tutorial on how to get SD to trigger when using the Roland interface
Wow thanks. The plugin sounds good
This was really helpful and even on a phone speaker the Superior was well Superior. However it really has a studio sound and I think Roland’s stock sounds can be tuned to be great. I have EZ Drummer and both the ride and snare play beautifully. However the digital hihat triggering the VST just has no sensitivity and try as I might I can’t get a sound I like out of it.
Yeah, Id be under the impression that the EZ Drummer packs don't have the hihat articulations of SD3? Most of them have about 7 or 8 subtle hariations which the digital hats track pretty well. However I still find the need to go in a fine tune things to get it perfect if Im doing very detailed hi hat stuff.
I believe that the TD 27 preset in EZ Drummer is not updated for Version 2.0 of the module. Someone suggested trying the 50X and I will do that to see if it makes a difference.@@Beatnikk777
I just got SD3, I haven't yet tested it with the kit but it's coming next. in the meantime I have been using the default module's sounds: ruclips.net/video/8aaWg0iHOwM/видео.html
This is a comparison of one kit per device/software? There are so many options and tweakings for each of them, there is no generic AD2 or SD3 sound, right?
Yeah thats right. AD2 and SD3 both have vast libraries and lots of add packs. This video doesnt showcase the variety of sounds you can get from them. I was more interested to see how the various software tracked my playing on the three digital instruments. Snare, Hats, Ride.
yes. it's why all this non sense to me. Depends on the kit AND preset and/or etc etc etc etc etc and more etc. AD is one of the best out there. Their Funk kit is beautiful sound
Untill I got a pearl mimic to replace my td 50 and 30 modules I never released how bad the Roland sounds are .
Cool video! As a longtime (25 years) eDrummer and TD50X owner, I was pleasantly surprised how the 50X performed and sounded overall. I agree…the SD3 snare sounded best. But from an ‘overall kit’ view, I think the X performed exceptionally well. Hats, cymbals, overall kit balance and drum realism & tones.
I think sd3 has crystal clear sound that never reminds a digital kit but and AD2 has nice sound at the choice of kit that selected , i think isn't same kits on two softwares so it's nice video but choices depends.AD2 has more depth at this point i think.SD3 is crispy.This two is like a demo between cumbals of Paiste Signatures and Sabian HHX Legacy.
Really helpful thanks!
thanks for the clip. non of them sounded right to me unfortunately. i get better recording my own
SD3 for the win.....
out of curiosity, is that the TD-50-K2 kit you're using, or the TD-50KV2?
I would say on first run here SD3 really comes out with the most clarity and detail. However, for live gigs, the whole E-drum/computer/VST/audio interface chain is still not as reliable as a dedicated hardware module. Too many links in the chain may have a crack, pop or failure at the most inopportune moment.
truuthh! only use for studio
Sorry, but to me, it sounds as if you've chosen simple raw Roland kits, and have done nothing to enhance the sounds using all the features available on the 50 module. Is that the case? I don't hear any of the effects available? You are then comparing to highly massaged DAW sounds. Of course they'll sound better?
Hey mate. This was just a stock TD50x kit vs a stock AD2 kit vs a stock SD3 kit. Nothing was massaged as you put it. All standard presets.
Some years have passed and Ive now made TD50x kits using samples from SD3 overlayed on top of the synthetic Roland drums and they sound AMAZING!
Totally next level.
Hi Nick! Is SD3 only used for recording purposes?
I want to buy this kit, im just wondering if you're able to download/import SD3 drum sounds into the td50 module?
Hey bud, nar they dont work that way. SD3 is sample based and the Roland elec kits are I think synthesise.
X and sd3 sound better. Certain instruments were better with each
Superior Drummer 3 for the win...
How do you hook your module up to your laptop and also what is the sound going out of aka the module itself or from the laptop? Trying to use getgooddrums with no play lag or anything. I just have a usb a to usb b cable.
Im connected with a USB cable. I then assign the audio output of the laptop to be the TD50x and I listen through the headphone output of the TD50x. However I havent successfully played with no lag using the sounds of software drums. I usually play with the TD50x sounds while simultaneously capturing the midi data and then use that midi to trigger the software drums later for music production.
I have SD3 and AD2 - I also have a Roland TD27 with digital hi hats, snare and ride. The mapping on SD3 seems to support position sensing on the snare and ride, also the various zones on the hts including the bell. However even with the TD50 map, AD2 is not fully compatible - I had to reverse all the cymbal aftertouch "choke" or the cymbals simply did not work - same with the hi hat. Also trying to create a custom map in AD2 was near impossible especially for the hi hat.
Come on man... There are people out there who don't know any better. Don't mislead these folk into thinking that there is an actual comparison to be made, because there isn't! SD3 as a whole has far better sound possibilities than either of the other two. Not even close when looked at in totality.
I agree. SD3 as an overall product is well... superior. The piece stacking, inbuilt mixer, ambient channels and mic bleed options, sequencer and trigger functionality puts it miles ahead of anything else Ive used.
However I still find myself using AD2 for some layering and sketching because I find it quicker and considering it takes up 5% of the space of SD3 and is cheaper I think its a great product worth mentioning.
So difficult to make these comparisons because both AD2 and SD3 can be made to sound just about any way you want them. If you liked the ride from the TD50x, you could choose a ride in AD2 or SD3 and tweak it to sound virtually identical. Also the SD3 kit you chose would match better with the AD2 kit called Black Velvet. It would be easy to pick certain kits in AD2, SD3, and TD50x to make whichever one you wanted to sound best. And picking "ultimate" kits in all 3 would still be a personal preference as all of them can sound fantastic. I will say that either SD3 or AD2 have many more options and better sounds than the TD50x. But for playing live, I like having it all in the box and the TD50x is great. For studio, play the TD50x, record both audio and midi. Then you can use either AD2 or SD3 or TD50x and/or layer whichever ones you want during post production.
great video. thanks! short question. is the sidestick option on the digital snare mapped/usable in ad2 with the td50x? and a bit longer question. do you know if it is possible to use the normal ride input and one for the digital ride and both work seperatly at the same time. same question for the snare and hihat. so that i can use 2 hihats with seperate pedals for each( one on the left with a normal hihat machine and one with a remote cable hihat machine/ or a roland hihatcontroller with a cymbalpad on the right). and also another snare. would be cool to have the option to have two differens sounding rides/snares/hihats at the same time.
Hey Michael, Im no expert but I'll answer your questions to the best of my knowledge and perhaps someone else will also chime in.
In my experience the sidestick does work with SD3 so I'd assume itd work with AD2. Since the making of this video SD3 has updated and now maps better with the TD50x module. The hats work way better than they used to. Its pretty amazing.
I have never used the digital ride or hats in conjunction with another analogue ride or hats. I have not been able to get this to work on the TD50x and Id assume it also wouldn't work with SD3 or AD2 because they dont have options for these things within their kit layouts. Although you may be able to add another hi hat as an external instrument in SD3, but in that instance it wouldn't have the foot pedal control.
As I said, Im not an expert and Im just making assumptions based on my understanding of the various interfaces.
@@Beatnikk777 Hi Nick, thanks for the quick reply!
I think i just have to check with one of the crash cymbals ill get in the set before buying more additional pads. Maybe if the module can seperate a digital ride and analog signal i could map them myself in AD2.
Unfortunately i dont have SD3. Always liked the workflow and sounds of AD2 a bit more. But in the long run SD3 is the one to go for since AD became so slow on working on their program and adding new ADPack Kits.
Thanks for the Help!
@@thebigshepherd I still use AD2 for the percussion that is included in the add packs. I think that is better than SD3.
@@Beatnikk777 yeah! I like those too. Using them a lot.
In my opinion Addictive Drums has always sounded more natural to my ear and less generic than TuneTrack accept the toms. XLN really needs to work on that for Addictive Drums 3, I'd say the toms are their weakest link.
Please VST drum companies release your drum sounds on a media card/USB stick without the need for a PC! 👏
This is a nice simple comparison.
Just got my Td50x setup and have been going through the kits and sounds and except for the most “Roland” sounding stock sounds, the customizations make it pretty easy to wash out that “signature” and make something more unique.
Having said that, certain grooves sounded better on ad2 drums (but not cymbals) and yeah, that snare from SD3 is just…delicious.
You just helped me…want…to buy ad2 and sd3!!
(Doh!)
Thanks? ;)
More sincerely, thanks!
3:09 - 3:38
Well...... In my humble opinion I think #1 is the Roland, #2 is SD3 and #3 Addictive Drums.
I also wonder what people here think of the sound of the td50x as exemplified by these video's by Dennis Agresti, especially the first two:
ruclips.net/video/nqfyk1K7n7s/видео.html ("Modern Jazz" kit)
ruclips.net/video/qzymM2955rg/видео.html ("Soft and Open" kit)
ruclips.net/video/ouApp26daRU/видео.html (comparison of 15 different snares)
ruclips.net/video/tRfBtZSK4NI/видео.html (5 custom kits)
To me the above examples sound much better than pretty much all other td50x demos I've heard so far. All kits were tweaked a bit by Dennis but they all use internal td50x sounds exclusively, no imported user samples at all.
As a Roland TD30 owner of 6 year and now and TD50x owner I think the snare drum sounds really let the modules down compared to SD3. As a live rock drummer, I'm constantly tweaking for fatter, cleaner snares that cut through the guitars and bass, but the Roland samples always sound boomy and rounded unless you rim shot. l
SD3 all the way for me
Hi and super thanks for this great video of yours. Could you please play
quarter notes of your 5 or 10 favorite snare, bass drum and tom sounds.
I'm considering purchasing, but probably wait for Superior Drummer 4.
SD3 sounded great, TD50x pretty good and AD sounded horrible.
right! AD - omg bad!
Hello Nick How did you get the new features of the TD-50 X to work with Superior Drummer 3 I clicked on TD 50 in setting but still not happing
Hey Charles, I just selected the TD50 preset on SD3 and it seems to work great. Am I missing something? I never had a TD50, only recently purchased my kit and it came with the TD50x. I think I may need to tweak some settings like the midi input velocity curve and also possibly the hi hat pedal settings. If theres more to do I'd be curious to know what is it to get the best out of the software.
@@Beatnikk777 Hello Nick
I was told to turn off the TD-50x internal sounds off did you turn off the internal sounds? when I do that I lose the new features on the TD-50 X.And thank you so much.
well-done... simple... clear... not too fast paced... really well done
It could be just settings but to me the ambience of the td50x sounded much better than that of both SD3 and AD. The td50x sound was more as if you were sitting in front of the drum kit with the sound coming from the kit in front of you whereas the other two had a much too roomy sound with too much stereo spread and wash.
Awesome comment. The customisations of all three of these products (less so AD2) is incredibly deep and you could pretty much get whatever sound you want with some tweaking. I just used some presets and didnt spend anytime dialing them in. Thanks for the links. I'll have a suss.
Ad2 Tom's were not good. Really liked the ride on sd3. Td50 had better dynamics and pretty good sounds.
in order . SD3, TD50x , AD2 . i also have the TD50x and plan on getting SD3 , i just need to set up my room and make room for the laptop and maybe a mixer . i have a custom 7 VAD06 with 5 cymbals and a digital ride .
How do you like the 50X. I'm getting one..coming from a TD-9. Think I'll see an improvement? :-)
@@chezchezchezchez it will blow you away . its an amazing bit of kit .. still getting my head round it .
I am on the fence between the new Yamaha and the TD50XV2 kit. The Roland stock sounds are what is making it very hard to go with the Roland. In your experience, do you believe the VST (like SD3) answers the sound quality issue, and are there any downsides to going VST?
@@scottlurken9667 hi .. you won’t get any better sounds than a VST it is far superior. The 50x has a lot of samples and you can also buy ready made kits to save you time .The only thing I wouldn’t use a VST for is playing Live .. I’m sure it’s ok live but you have the risk of the laptop crashing and thus leaving you with no drum sounds . In the td50x module I would make my own kit as close to the VST kit as possible then if it did crash I’ve then got a custom kit that’s near as good as the VST kit . Regarding VST if you choose to only use VST at home or studio then any kit and module will do as it’s not the module sounds you are using . Steven slate drums is also a good alternative to SD3 . If i couldn’t of got the Roland my next choice would be the Pearl mimic as that comes with Steven slate drums samples and kits .
can I use my old Roland TD- 20 to plug Superior drummer ?
what drum kit are you using?
BEST SD 3!!!!
superior drummer sounds a thousand times better than the others!
Thanks Nick for your Comparison! Can you tell which app you use on Mac to display the Storage Usage ( Minute 5:15 ) ?
Hey Dirk, its called Space Gremlin (Pro I think)
I use SP3 too for mixing and composing, what an incredible soft, I'am about to convert my Drum to Edrum with edrumin + sup3. Thanks to this more focus video.
I also do have a question, is it necessary to buy the upgrade for the TD 50 (upgrade to 50x) to let the digital vh14 fully function. I do own the digital vh 14 since today, still working to get the best trigger results. Greetings Rob
Yes , you need to update the firmware to td50x to get the best results with the vh14
I have AD2 and have been pretty unhappy with how roland digital HH transfers over. I feel like it loses some touch. Curious what you landed on? SD sound waaaay better to me in your demo... but now that you've messed with it, what do you recommend?
Hey Kevin, SD3 has since released a TD50x preset which has greatly improved the hi hat response. The hi hat articulations that you can get in SD3 are vastly superior. Depending on which patch or bundle you're using, you can sometimes get over 10 hi hat articulations. They track pretty well on the digital hats and Id guess that if you spent a decent amount of time configuring the settings on both the TD50x and SD3 you could get them talking to each other seamlessly. I haven't bothered to do this and for anything except very detailed, fast, complex hi hat patterns the auto capture works without a glitch. However, I have on occasion needed to go in and remap the hats in some sections to get them to sound perfect. This isn't a hard process, but its much more time consuming in comparison to it just perfectly capturing everything.
If you use software drums regularly for music production then my advice would be getting onboard with SD3 if you can afford the price tag and hard drive space.
@@Beatnikk777 , thanks for this! I'm using the TD-27 currently with the new digital HH. I think they sound great in the module and articulate perfectly. However, that doesn't translate too well to AD2. I found the setup in AD2 to adjust the HH and will mess with that over the weekend. I used VSTs for all my drum sounds and it sounds like SD3 might be a better option for me.
Hi! Great video! Thanks! I havent been able to get my CY18DR to work right in AD2. Would you share your settings with me? Thanks in advance!
Hey mate. I literally havent adjusted ANYTHING in regards to the settings. I think theres a Roland TD30 or TD50 preset midi map in AD2.
Very helpful. Am looking at a 50KV2. Surprised how well the TD50x competed. For pure expressiveness it wins here. Maybe no surprise since the module is tuned pretty well for the new digital pads. Thought SD was certainly more lively sounding. These two are a pretty good combo, and maybe the best thing available having both. (Sounds like you are pretty invested in AD. For me it is way outclassed by both of the other options here.)
Hey Burt, yeah before getting this kit I was using AD2 as my acoustic drum software. However now after getting SD3 I use that all the time. The only thing I prefer AD2 for is aux percussion add ons, because I find the interface quicker to set up and because I have a lot of add packs I've got more sounds. But the Fields Of Rock SDX has some great percussive stuff which Ive recently purchased. I find the SD3 interface is slower to use but its way better for complete control of every element of your sound. Also since making this video Toontrack has made a TD50x preset which tracks the hats better, however I found that I still needed to go in and move them around for very detailed sections. I assume theres a way to configure the TD50x module and the SD3 software to work flawlessly, but I havent taken the time to do that yet.
nice video!
Quick question on mapping your TD-50x to Addictive Drums 2. The TD-50x isn't listed under map presets so wondering if you had to manually map each drum? Thanks
No I just used the closest preset I could find which I believe is the TD30. However, now my configuration is completely different so I have made a TD50x kit that sends to correct AD2 midi notes. Its also fairly easy to configure the AD2 midi notes to any trigger.
@@Beatnikk777 Awesome, thanks for that.
great video Nick. Thank you. To your knowledge in using SD3 can you record internally with the 50X using the SD3 sounds? I do a lot of recording using the internal 50X but would much prefer the SD3 sounds.
Hey Jean, what do you mean by record "internally"? You can use the TD50X module and Vdrums to trigger the SD3 software and record that on your computer. If you are wanting to record into the TD50x module I dont think youd be able to use the SD3 sounds.
@@Beatnikk777 Thanks Nick. I thought that was the case. Thank you for replying!! Enjoy the music.
I am on the fence between the new Yamaha and the TD50XV2 kit. The Roland stock sounds are what is making it very hard to go with the Roland. In your experience, do you believe the VST (like SD3) answers the sound quality issue, and are there any downsides to going VST?
In my opinion the downside to VST is convenience and articulation tracking, mainly with the hats. The sound quality is great but you also need over 200GB of hard drive space just for the stock SD3 library. If Im using my kit for music production, I use it as a midi controller with SD3. However if Im doing a lot of detailed hi hat stuff I often need to spend time fixing the midi data. I havent used it live but if I did Id defs just use the TD50 sounds.
Great comparison, thank you!
Thank you for taking the time to make this video - nice
job - i found it very helpful
Thanks for the comparison, it was quite helpful. The hats in SD3 sounded (or triggered) really bad. I've heard that Toontrack is having some trouble in this area. Did you take the time to adjust the articulation points in SD3?
I hadnt done before making this video. I have since played around with it an cant really get it work as well as Id like it too.
@@Beatnikk777 Wow, that's really disappointing, especially considering the overall size and number of articulations SD3 has for the hats. Thanks for trying that out for me, though. Could I ask you what version of SD3 you are running? Supposedly, version 2.3.5 has fixed the hi-hat problem.
@@Beatnikk777 Sorry, I think that it's version 3.2.8 that has fixed the hi-hat problems.
Very nice Comparison! Thx
I just wish I could use Superior Drummer 3 because I'm blind and stuck on Superior Drummer 2 sense my accessibility software can't interface with version 3 and I'm being left behind. I'll probably never use the Decades SDX or the new Area 33 that just came out and that sucks because Al Shmit is one of my idles and sense I'll probably never be able to work with him the next best thing would be being able to pretend I'm him when tracking drums lol... But I can't do that because TuneTrack doesn't care about blind musicians or engineers. We're not even worthy of being an afterthought and it's sad. We had to make scripts for our screen reading software to tell it what the UI is for addictive drums, EZ Drummer 2, Superior Drummer 2, and Stephen Slate drums 5 as well as several other non-drum plugins like Melodine 4. None of these companies made their software accessible on their own. We had to hack it in and our cobbled together solutions aren't always reliable and we usually end up being left behind.
Thanks Nick
Cool Test, The new Roland definitely hangs in on some things (like the ride for instance) The toms on the Roland still sound machine gunny as do the toms on AD2, Superior as you have said is basically "Superior" Nice comparison.
Roland hangs in there with the software! Nice
TD50X wins hands down. Much better at emulating a real-sounding drum set.
Sounds way too processed for me. This is not anything like the real deal for me. I own Superior, EZ3 and AD2. AD2 is the real deal for me. Forget all those polished plastic sounds from Roland. AD2 has the soul.
In my ears SD3 sounded like the weakest here, kind of flat, but that may be just a matter of finetuning. As a TD-17 owner, I really like the overall sound of the 50x! It takes some time to tweak the rolandish... idk.. resonant sterile character out of the TD-17 module, but then it is a really goot kit. I think I'll testdrive the 50x as soon as I get my hands on it. Sounds a good amount "fresher" than the old library.
I upgraded my TD-50 to the TD-50X. I haven't messed around too much with the update but the OP was very good once you fine tuned it. The presets were very bad. I liked the TD-17 presets better.
superior drummer 3 sounds more natural