CLEOPATRA: Insanely Inbred in Real Life- Family Tree- Mortal Faces

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  • @MortalFaces
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  • @jamestrickingtonIII
    @jamestrickingtonIII 2 года назад +14020

    I hate when there aren’t any available sisters to marry so you have to settle for a cousin 😑

    • @SK22520
      @SK22520 2 года назад +51

      Or your own daughter

    • @ankavoskuilen1725
      @ankavoskuilen1725 2 года назад +367

      @@SK22520 But you would have had to marry your sister first to get a daughter whom you could marry.
      🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

    • @dgeneeknapp3168
      @dgeneeknapp3168 2 года назад +297

      Uhm...there's always one's mom😏😄. Then the mom is also grandmother...BOOM! Only need one mother's day card each year😏.

    • @CoralineMoth
      @CoralineMoth 2 года назад +72

      Such a bummer right?

    • @offwiththefairiesforever2373
      @offwiththefairiesforever2373 2 года назад +34

      So funny 🤣

  • @dontbesoforLorn
    @dontbesoforLorn 2 года назад +14907

    The inbreeding is bad enough without using and reusing like the same four names for 300 years to make it even more confusing.

    • @marjoriecoey3418
      @marjoriecoey3418 2 года назад +499

      Keeps it straight for the masses that could not read or write.

    • @jordanjay1479
      @jordanjay1479 2 года назад +275

      They passed down the same mitochondrial DNA for generations nonstop for a long period of time. That type of DNA is passed down only by mothers. In almost all cases a male and his offspring do not share the same mitochondrial DNA, but this rare exception happened for generations consecutively. Theres probably a huge amount of people in the world that can be link genetically to them.

    • @dgeneeknapp3168
      @dgeneeknapp3168 2 года назад +357

      I know. Doing my family line, I reached a few points on several branches, where numerpus sons were repeatedly named after the father. The women's names were often limited to acceptable Christian names, and I started thinking I was caught in a paperwork or computer loop. Ie John and Catherin Smith begat John who maried Catherine and was father of John and Catherine Smith. This goes on for generations several times. It took side reference research to realize I was actually making progress and NOT stuck in some loop. 😂

    • @TheTaoofEternalWar
      @TheTaoofEternalWar 2 года назад +280

      The Egyptians liked things to stay exactly the same. In ancient times a Greek mercenary was bragging to a couple of Egyptian librarians that he could trace his family back through twelve generations of nobles. The librarians showed him a record book that recorded over 300 generations of their ancestors who had the same name as them who had worked as librarians in the same library.

    • @highviewbarbell
      @highviewbarbell 2 года назад +125

      @@TheTaoofEternalWar that or some bored fella wrote his own name 300 times

  • @Dobby_1593
    @Dobby_1593 2 года назад +9822

    "He married an outsider because there were no sisters to marry." *banjo noises intensify*

  • @dearhaochen
    @dearhaochen 2 года назад +619

    “He married an outsider, because there were no sisters to marry”… got me laughing 😂

    • @whitedragoness23
      @whitedragoness23 Год назад +4

      It’s a good thing, but it seemed like they did share a bloodline was well. But thank goodness it was farther away than close like brother and sister.

  • @ankavoskuilen1725
    @ankavoskuilen1725 2 года назад +11476

    When you hear this, it sounds complicated but it all (almost) comes down to:
    Boys are named Ptolemy and girls are named Cleopatra.
    Ptolemy marries Cleopatra.
    Not complicated at all.

    • @selfiekroos1777
      @selfiekroos1777 2 года назад +185

      Just like the wedding scene in goodfellas

    • @BlazeDupree1525
      @BlazeDupree1525 2 года назад +346

      Remember that time when all the boys were named Jason and the girls were all named Britney 😅🤣

    • @pihu2573
      @pihu2573 2 года назад +88

      Underrated comment💀✋🏻

    • @BobbyDick99
      @BobbyDick99 2 года назад +277

      throw in a few Berenice's too

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  • @basedloser42
    @basedloser42 2 года назад +19179

    I once saw a comment where someone said “Most people have 8 great grandparents, cleopatra has 2. They talk about her beauty but realistically it’s lucky she was able to be born with fully formed lungs”
    I finally get it.

    • @currentlyearth8867
      @currentlyearth8867 2 года назад +2

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    • @crazygreenlady7907
      @crazygreenlady7907 2 года назад +879

      Thanks for this comment...I went back and checked the tree and it seems simple when you comprehend it that way. Mind you, those two great grandparents seem quite closely related already.

    • @nyiayani6747
      @nyiayani6747 2 года назад +822

      Lol I think someone lying about her beauty ain’t no way.

    • @anaisabelpais7389
      @anaisabelpais7389 2 года назад +254

      Ptolemy VIII and Cleopatra III were her great grandparents 3 times.
      But lets not forget about her grandfather Ptolemy IX also being being her great-grandfather, along with Cleopatra Selene.
      So 4 great-grandparents? Technically?
      And Ptolemy VIII and Cleopatra III are also her great-great-grandparents twice, on top of being her great-grandparents three times

    • @dontcare7086
      @dontcare7086 2 года назад +800

      I have a feeling she was really beautiful and exotic for the time period. Europe has a equal system of incest with its royalty and so does almost every society. For the greatest men of rome to fall in love with her and actually abandon rome for years on end to be with her tells you it was more than political. These guys could have the most beautiful women in Europe but they found cleopatra to be so captivating.

  • @melissak1654
    @melissak1654 2 года назад +12520

    “Cleopatra eventually chose her youngest son because she wasn’t too impressed that her other son tried to assassinate her”

    • @SummerRocks50
      @SummerRocks50 2 года назад +1653

      And then the younger son is the one that actually killed her lol

    • @SK22520
      @SK22520 2 года назад +548

      And then her younger son killed her off anyways

    • @KEYBEATZ
      @KEYBEATZ 2 года назад +26

      I'd hope not

    • @dittohead7044
      @dittohead7044 2 года назад +318

      This is why holidays can be so stressful for the same reasons lol

    • @amberhaskins8707
      @amberhaskins8707 2 года назад +16

      Cicearean?

  • @sofia-rosegionomo8201
    @sofia-rosegionomo8201 Год назад +806

    I like that they just kept naming their children all the same things and just tacking a number on it, how is it possible for 300 years they only used like 4 names, I'm almost impressed. You've gotta love consistency

    • @musotha164
      @musotha164 Год назад +51

      Wait until you hear about the french monarchy.

    • @picolete
      @picolete Год назад +31

      Easier for the people, they just had to remember 2 names, and the monuments with the name of the pharaoh lasted generations

    • @moonoggin
      @moonoggin Год назад +11

      No one could claim their children if they were named after themselves or a famous relative.

    • @marvingordon7121
      @marvingordon7121 Год назад +14

      It actually happened in history that some children were named by numbers instead of real names. For example 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 😅

    • @anitat9727
      @anitat9727 Год назад +10

      I mean that wasn't the only thing they were consistent of...

  • @emmalicious3
    @emmalicious3 2 года назад +6461

    I think she may have been average looking, but as a pharaoh her beauty may have been exaggerated, or cosmetics did the work. Also, her intelligence may have made her attractive.

    • @edennis8578
      @edennis8578 2 года назад +1008

      Plus the power and the glamour of royalty. Look how European princesses are usually described as beautiful when most of them are downright unattractive. The most beautiful European princesses are the wives of the princes, not the women born to the purple.

    • @NC-ij9rb
      @NC-ij9rb 2 года назад +257

      Agreed. Her power, wealth, and brains made up for it.

    • @helenrose5383
      @helenrose5383 2 года назад +475

      Also who would dare to describe a ruler anything other than beautiful and people might have just assumed she was beautiful because we often associate beauty with power, especially when women are concerned!

    • @whiskeywhiskeyromeo3730
      @whiskeywhiskeyromeo3730 2 года назад +173

      It's possible anybody not in royalty would have been hideously filthy, malnourished, diseased and lord only knows what other disfiguring processes..

    • @kuroyuri04
      @kuroyuri04 2 года назад +11

      @@edennis8578 described as beautiful...
      (In faces, but not their brain) 😅

  • @elisekellett2378
    @elisekellett2378 2 года назад +6640

    Oh my..... I'm really going to have a chuckle to myself the next time someone claims to have been Cleopatra in a former life 😄😄

    • @jol4342
      @jol4342 2 года назад +357

      There are so many of them! 😆

    • @raraavis7782
      @raraavis7782 2 года назад +41

      Indeed 😂

    • @purplevamp3132
      @purplevamp3132 2 года назад +157

      I actually know someone like that-absolutely insane! I keep quiet...😐

    • @joltjolt5060
      @joltjolt5060 2 года назад +38

      She had a sucky life. Why would anyone WANT to be her?

    • @VeiledDancer
      @VeiledDancer 2 года назад +8

      😂

  • @delirium8992
    @delirium8992 2 года назад +6881

    When the family tree is a wreath

  • @meelsky
    @meelsky 2 года назад +1049

    I’m sure many people have pointed this out, but her famous beauty didn’t refer to her physical looks, it refers to her personality and intellect.

    • @MrStubbs8157
      @MrStubbs8157 Год назад +52

      I dont think, that harsh romans or who else wrote about her really were into "her insides were beautiful" without saying that she was kinda ugly. I dont think anyone cares about inner values when describing people as beautiful. Noone does it today and certainly not back in the day.
      Imbreds could be beautiful as well.
      Look at all of us....we are highly imbred as well all over the world. Otherwise we would have been much more people throughout history, but we werent.
      Just going back 1000 years, which would be 36th generation down from you, it would be 100 billion people....that was clearly not the case.
      The chances (if you take the word inbred like that) of us having had sex with a relative is pretty high...if you go back further, the chances are of course 100% of you sleeping with someone related to you. Usually they didnt inbred (if they could) for 2-3 generations, in which case the chances of deformation dwindle rapidly. Otherwise we wouldnt be here 🤣

    • @fern7306
      @fern7306 Год назад +78

      Her beauty referred to her enormous wealth 🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @JJLewis-so1iq
      @JJLewis-so1iq Год назад +6

      I always understood that. She was an intriguing woman

    • @JJLewis-so1iq
      @JJLewis-so1iq Год назад +4

      She was intriguing and a huge presence

    • @MrStubbs8157
      @MrStubbs8157 Год назад +2

      @@JJLewis-so1iq Who knows?

  • @theshiniestmermaidonearth4283
    @theshiniestmermaidonearth4283 2 года назад +4188

    Wow, her family tree was like a bowl of spaghetti. I've also heard that it's very possible Cleopatra's mother cheated on her father with someone outside the family lineage, and that's why she didn't have many deformities compared to those around her.

    • @GoldLove21
      @GoldLove21 2 года назад +233

      Like mother like daughter👍

    • @pearltoomer6392
      @pearltoomer6392 2 года назад +317

      LUCKY FOR HER CHILDREN THE INBRED BLOODLINE HAD TO STOP HER MOM MAY HAVE SEEN THAT.

    • @jayklink851
      @jayklink851 2 года назад +242

      If true, smart move on her part. Many speculate King Henry didn't put his last wife's head on the chopping block because she bore him a son. Most, however, speculate that she made trips to the wood pile lol.

    • @offwiththefairiesforever2373
      @offwiththefairiesforever2373 2 года назад +12

      Yes quite possibly.....I think they might have figured out the inbreeding wasn't such a good idea....alot of them 😉 so and so begat so and so and so on and so forth....but the way countries used to be....and family.....constantly murdering each other to rule....just surviving your family was obviously a bit of a miracle 😉

    • @corinazzz1347
      @corinazzz1347 2 года назад +169

      @@jayklink851 first off all, he didn’t kill his last wife. He killed his second and fifth wive. He let his second wife get killed bc he said she was sleeping with her brother and other men. Which is probably a lie. Nobody really believes it. He just wanted her out of the way bc he already found someone new to marry and wanted a son

  • @gblikestosew
    @gblikestosew 2 года назад +5107

    Just because we've found out that she wasn't super conventionally attractive doesn't mean that back in the day she wasn't super hot to her fellow ancient Egyptians*. (I'm aware that she was ethnically Greek! But, she was the queen of EGYPT and was politically very important to the country she ruled so I refer to her as Egyptian for this reason) Our standards of beauty change drastically over time and I almost wonder if "inbred-looking" features were admired back then (as a sort of status symbol) because it implied you came from a bloodline worth preserving? Idk. Just thoughts.

    • @maepicnic2460
      @maepicnic2460 2 года назад

      Exactly. And a bigger interesting nose is still considered beautiful today. Especially if your loved ones shared it. Big eyes? Yes. Low brow bone? Sultry! But it’s wrong to inbreed obviously in the end is just a form of Stockholm syndrome

    • @rikosama7648
      @rikosama7648 2 года назад +566

      I agree , no matter how abnormal it is now , the norms we assume is defined by us , and at that time the "norms" were different than nowadays standard

    • @Kanelle88
      @Kanelle88 2 года назад +329

      I think having someone else around to hall buckets of bath water also helped with the 'beauty' part of her appearance. Not to mention royals were probably not underfed like everyone else. Sweaty and rough looking skeletons are not pretty. It probably contributed to much of the belief that royals were chosen by god/s over the ages. A healthy person among the starved would look beautiful and 'blessed' in comparison. At least that's my theory...

    • @CapucineNighly
      @CapucineNighly 2 года назад +73

      Well ya, I mean back then the unibrow was the hottest in look. 😒

    • @nerdkartoffl9019
      @nerdkartoffl9019 2 года назад +64

      @@Kanelle88 Afaik the "slaves" that worked for for the egyptians, weren't actually slaves. They were workers and did not starve. They had a "better" life then a farmer for example.
      (i'm not really sure, how accurate my information is)

  • @coconoisette
    @coconoisette 2 года назад +7143

    "He married his full sister, _apparently_ they were in love"
    "He married an outsider because there were no sisters to marry"
    "Cleopatra would go on, to no surprise, to marry her older brother"
    The shade lmaoo i swear these videos are the best it just keeps getting worse and the narrator gets increasingly fed up with the bullshit

    • @MortalFaces
      @MortalFaces  2 года назад +501

      🤣

    • @Sylphadora
      @Sylphadora 2 года назад +540

      "She would be the last imported wife for a few generations"

    • @adsones
      @adsones 2 года назад +22

      @@Sylphadora 😂😂

    • @TVwriter23
      @TVwriter23 2 года назад +43

      If you read those ancient Egyptian love poems

    • @leaaronsanchez
      @leaaronsanchez 2 года назад +77

      Cleopatra was the firstborn so she didn't have a older brother, just younger brothers and a younger sister. When her parents died and she became the new Queen she was 16 her oldest brother was 12, and by rule she was married to him.

  • @Sarahscg5
    @Sarahscg5 2 года назад +49

    Sooo is this where the Disney movie Hercules got the quote from pain “the time all the boys were named Jason and all the girls were all named Brittany “ 😂 omg that makes it way more funnier

    • @sweetbunnybun
      @sweetbunnybun 3 месяца назад

      Nah Brittany was in saved by the bell or some other tv series from the 90s. That's the joke

  • @more444store6
    @more444store6 2 года назад +3061

    That is a lot of inbreeding. Very informative, a lot of people assume Cleopatra was Egyptian, but as you point out, she is from Greek kingdom, but even the ancient Egyptians married in the family, and Akenaten is a great example of what inbreeding does.

    • @annemurphy9339
      @annemurphy9339 2 года назад +154

      True, the Ptolemy dynasty was fanatical to only marry within their own family to keep their bloodline “pure.” As odd as it seems, this was common within the majority of ancient royal dynasties.

    • @rayyanez3527
      @rayyanez3527 2 года назад +20

      Regular ! Ancient Egyptians ! Did NOT Marry ? Their siblings ! Only Certain ! Pharaohs Did ! You are Making shit up !!!!!;🙄

    • @user-ru1ki
      @user-ru1ki 2 года назад +50

      A lot of people assume? What people? Cleopatra never had any Egyptian blood. Her surname was Philopator. Cheers.

    • @venanziocalise946
      @venanziocalise946 2 года назад +20

      MACEDONIAN GREEK WAS CLEOPATRA.

    • @nisaba5752
      @nisaba5752 2 года назад +106

      @@user-ru1ki She was a Philopractor? Interesting. My uncle was a Chiropractor.
      😆 Sorry mate I HAD to go there

  • @sophied9294
    @sophied9294 2 года назад +874

    Videos explaining Cleopatra's family tree always make me laugh, because Cleopatra didn't have a family tree: she had a family Christmas wreath 😂

    • @virginiaconway374
      @virginiaconway374 2 года назад +4

      Cleopatra Greek sounds about right because she was not light-skinned.

    • @XX-qj5mv
      @XX-qj5mv 2 года назад +24

      @@virginiaconway374 greeks are not dark skin people!!!! Go to Greece and look then speak!!!!

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      @currentlyearth8867 2 года назад

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    • @luckystar9279
      @luckystar9279 2 года назад +3

      I keep seeing the family wreath joke. The first person who made it must be proud.

    • @sophieladanyi568
      @sophieladanyi568 2 года назад +1

      Hahaha!

  • @PC-dc1kv
    @PC-dc1kv 2 года назад +1234

    What a crazy mixed-up family. No way she could’ve looked like Elizabeth Taylor.

    • @theprincessofsarcasm3160
      @theprincessofsarcasm3160 2 года назад +32

      FACTS

    • @christinebutler7630
      @christinebutler7630 2 года назад +154

      Nobody looked like Elizabeth Taylor.

    • @zenkiea9663
      @zenkiea9663 2 года назад +46

      This lady was most likely incredibly hideous and most likely deformed with severe health issues!

    • @zarwine7080
      @zarwine7080 2 года назад +55

      Not only there's no way she could've look like Elizabeth Taylor but she's not really a beauty, she's really just plain.

    • @theprincessofsarcasm3160
      @theprincessofsarcasm3160 2 года назад +4

      @@zarwine7080 Facts though

  • @dylanpilcheruniverse6515
    @dylanpilcheruniverse6515 Год назад +190

    It’s really amazing how easily people have breezed past how inbred she really was. Therefore this in that alone is one of the more insightful pieces I’ve seen on cleopatra. Sometimes we prefer our imaginations to reality.

    • @TURQUOISEEYES
      @TURQUOISEEYES Год назад +3

      Yep a LOT of people think they cheated on their spouse without Proof.

    • @Brandonhayhew
      @Brandonhayhew Год назад

      Cleopatra was inbred and so was monarch of European, they were all related they were all cousins

  • @993LD
    @993LD 2 года назад +743

    The ancients all lied about their own beauty, men and women.. just like we do today 🥴😂

    • @pash9956
      @pash9956 2 года назад +31

      Exactly! And when you look into transvestigation of celebrities, you see that the female version of "sexy" is a ten year old boy in drag (Taylor Swift). And we bought it!

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    • @no.6377
      @no.6377 2 года назад +21

      They would've loved filters 👌😅

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    • @KarelChytilArt
      @KarelChytilArt 2 года назад +3

      That ancient Instagram was not so complicated as Today

  • @SK22520
    @SK22520 2 года назад +1756

    Cleopatra chose her younger son because her older son kept trying to kill her.
    Her younger son assassinated her.

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    • @yellowmesh7821
      @yellowmesh7821 2 года назад +24

      Lmfao

    • @Saral_Lekhi
      @Saral_Lekhi 2 года назад +25

      I thought she died of snake poison as a form of suicide

    • @Catalyna
      @Catalyna 2 года назад +65

      @@Saral_Lekhi he's talking about the cleopatra mother the one who would be her great grandma i think, your talking about the last pharoh, and the last female pharoh the legendary Cleopatra the 7th,

    • @LDuke-pc7kq
      @LDuke-pc7kq 2 года назад +2

      @@Saral_Lekhi yes

  • @lucyk2371
    @lucyk2371 2 года назад +2629

    Normally I would say yes. However, I think that there were a lot of illegitimate children passed off as the pharaoh's. She spoke 6 languages and had a witty, captivating way of luring people in. She would not have been that smart if severely inbred. I think some of that was for show.

    • @bethc9313
      @bethc9313 2 года назад +83

      Not true , that she couldn’t have been that smart. Inbreeding brings out both the worst and best traits so it is quite possible that while you can inbreed a mentally deficient person you can also inbreed a genius

    • @youisastar3246
      @youisastar3246 2 года назад +136

      It is possible because Strabo said that Ptolemy IV was the son of Agathocleia, the mistress. The only confusing part is that Agathocleia was actually the mistress of Ptolemy IV and not his father, Ptolemy III. He could be trying to say that Ptolemy V was the son of Agathocleia considering that she and her family plotted and killed the Queen, Arsinoe III who is said to be the mother of Ptolemy V. However, Agathocleia was related to the Ptolemies.

    • @porkpork2169
      @porkpork2169 2 года назад +273

      not all inbred people have inbred illnesses or deformities. normally yes they do, but not always

    • @GenerationBright
      @GenerationBright 2 года назад +475

      @@porkpork2169 yeah, first generation inbreeding often doesn't result in the deformities especially if it's half siblings or first cousins. But successive generations? It becomes exponentially worse.

    • @crazysquirrel9425
      @crazysquirrel9425 2 года назад +28

      Makes one wonder if some of our politicians are inbred....

  • @funnatopia704
    @funnatopia704 Год назад +61

    You have to keep in mind also that Pharaohs weren't limited to just one wife.
    The Great Royal Wife was the main wife (and was usually the Sibling of the Pharaoh) whose sons were automatically next in line, while the other wives were labeled as lesser wives whose sons essentially served as backups in case the Great Royal Wife either fails to birth sons or her sons die before their father.
    The Great Royal Wife was the only one that was recorded in the dynasty's history, and it wasn't always her biological son that became the next Pharaoh.
    Cleopatra was likely spared from the majority of the consequences that plagued incestuous dynasties solely because of this system.

    • @mikoto7693
      @mikoto7693 10 месяцев назад +6

      That actually makes a whole lot of sense. Across human history, in many different civilisations around the world the theme of the “divine bloodline” has come up with power passing from parent to child. Pharaoh, King, Emperor. And what was common in all of these cultures? Concubines, lesser wives or harems.
      It actually does seem that the royalty in these cultures figured out that inbreeding was bad, and figured out a system where they could claim the incestuous royal coup produced an heir, but if they couldn’t there were always the illegitimate children of the concubines that they could fall back on. Kinda clever now that I think about it.

    • @fabianhale845
      @fabianhale845 7 месяцев назад +2

      Except that the previous pharaohs were married to multiple women simultaneously, while the Ptolemies were married to one woman at a time. True the Ptolemaic kings had mistresses, but no children from those unions ascended to the throne.

    • @twarsdune
      @twarsdune 7 месяцев назад +1

      Ptolemy XIII have a mistress, but the son from that union (Ptolemy Apion) is denied royalty and were relegated as a ruler in one of the border provinces. Non inbred Ptolemies does exist, but they are not of royal blood and were never recorded to hold in line of succession. Ptolemy XII marrying his sisterwife's daughter is even a proof of this, as he maneuvered so the so called royal dynasty remain pure.

    • @fabianhale845
      @fabianhale845 4 месяца назад

      @@twarsdune You’re talking about Ptolemy VIII.

  • @bethy4212
    @bethy4212 2 года назад +538

    They certainly weren't very creative at naming their kids, huh?

    • @emanuel-vw8rg
      @emanuel-vw8rg 2 года назад +30

      Just like Georgian royalty naming almost all their daughter's maria something

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    • @tangyjoe4326
      @tangyjoe4326 2 года назад +13

      @@emanuel-vw8rg Or George Forman naming all his five sons George!

    • @roddo1955
      @roddo1955 2 года назад +3

      Your name is Beth....😉

    • @bethy4212
      @bethy4212 2 года назад +7

      @@roddo1955 Technically it's a nick name. But, sure.

  • @chriswald7700
    @chriswald7700 2 года назад +323

    It seems like ancient statues flattered the depicted ones and coins showed them unattractive. The truth lies probably in between: You can have prominent features and also be attractive. Cleopatra had so many enemies amongst the Romans that they would have held her bad looks against her if she really had them, but... they did not. However, Plutarch wrote: ""For her beauty, as we are told, was in itself not altogether incomparable, nor such as to strike those who saw her; but converse with her had an irresistible charm, and her presence, combined with the persuasiveness of her discourse and the character which was somehow diffused about her behaviour towards others, had something stimulating about it. There was sweetness also in the tones of her voice; and her tongue, like an instrument of many strings, she could readily turn to whatever language she pleased..." So her appeal my have been a combination of "average attractiveness", education, wit, intelligence, charme, make-up, power and sexual aggressiveness.

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    • @kerrimccauley1245
      @kerrimccauley1245 2 года назад +11

      That would make sense

    • @Sunflower-lv9iu
      @Sunflower-lv9iu 2 года назад +9

      Yes I think that was it. She most likely had the “it” factor. In Mexico we have a word called Guapa, GUAPA is a woman who is attractive eventho she is not typically pretty. They know how to make themselves look attractive by the way they dress, speak, carry themselves with confidence, they usually have good hair & know how to style it, they work on their bodies & r skilled at makeup, perfume etc. Cleopatra considered herself a goddess so she dressed in a very beautiful and dramatic way, she adorned herself in gold and showed off her body. She made people believe she was more than just a mortal woman.
      She also made everything around her beautiful & pleasurable- she transported people into a different world when they were with her- the best food, music, incense, soft rugs, pillows, dancers etc. she made her men feel special, like gods on earth & she was most likely very talented at sex. I think her sexual talents r a huge factor, especially if women in Rome were too religious & uptight at that time. In plain words Cesar & Marc Anthony were 😻 wooped! And she had youth, she was 22 when Cesar was around 50. That combination mixed with her intelligence was surely mesmerizing.

    • @aliciadelsordo5511
      @aliciadelsordo5511 2 года назад +3

      @@Sunflower-lv9iu really? Guapa in Spain means literally pretty!!

    • @Sunflower-lv9iu
      @Sunflower-lv9iu 2 года назад +4

      @@aliciadelsordo5511 yes, pretty is Bonita. Bonita is someone naturally pretty, beautiful features. Guapa can be pretty too I guess, but it means attractive more, if that makes sense. 😆

  • @MikaelaKMajorHistory
    @MikaelaKMajorHistory 2 года назад +556

    Although she’s now more known for her beauty, originally there are accounts saying that she wasn’t actually that pretty at all and men probably fell in love with her due to her knowledge and wit.

    • @GoldLove21
      @GoldLove21 2 года назад +102

      And money, anthony and julius needed money for those wars

    • @susanandrew5240
      @susanandrew5240 2 года назад +13

      Now that would be a “ first “ , falling in love with her due to her knowledge and wit ! You can bet she was beautiful and witty !

    • @MikaelaKMajorHistory
      @MikaelaKMajorHistory 2 года назад +75

      @@susanandrew5240 it actually happens more often than you think. In Korea for example, high class prostitutes would be given a rigorous education and learn to play musical instruments like a high class woman would in order to stay engaged with their clients and not just be a pretty face to get bored of.

    • @jabronis33
      @jabronis33 2 года назад +5

      I refuse to believe Marc Anthony died because he wanted an ugly cleopatra. Marc Anthony was a Chad, so I don't want to believe that.

    • @MikaelaKMajorHistory
      @MikaelaKMajorHistory 2 года назад +4

      @@jabronis33 Marc Antony would be a chad 😂

  • @Askeladd_
    @Askeladd_ 2 года назад +65

    You didn’t mention the reason they were inbreeding. Context: The reason the Ptolemy royals practiced incėst was, upon conquering Egypt and becoming pharaoh, Ptolemy I adopted Egyptian religious customs as instructed by the Egyptian priestly class, these customs included sibling marriages, something uncommon in Macedon. This was an Egyptian royal custom, perhaps common Egyptians also practiced some form of inbreeding, as first cousin-marriages are relatively common in present Egypt and also the countries of the near east today.

    • @Bangandthedirtisgone
      @Bangandthedirtisgone 2 года назад

      Beyond tradition for the sake of tradition though how did no-one seem to have a problem with it? It's inconceivable to me.

    • @meganheinzle644
      @meganheinzle644 Год назад +4

      And this is why we have the Bible 😂

    • @samumoth
      @samumoth Год назад

      They marry cousins because Mohammad permitted it.

    • @muratcomert8030
      @muratcomert8030 27 дней назад +1

      @@meganheinzle644 Where at least several cases of incest was mentioned! My favorite (!!!) is the one involving Lot and his own daughters!

    • @meganheinzle644
      @meganheinzle644 27 дней назад

      @@muratcomert8030 yup.. a man who regretted his choice to live in Sodom, where he "vexed his righteous soul from day to day". Jesus spoke of future judgment coming suddenly as in the days of Lot, and warned solemnly, "Remember Lot's wife".. thanks to the Bible we are warned

  • @christinetitus6388
    @christinetitus6388 2 года назад +847

    Wow 😯 what a mess! I knew Cleopatra married her brother but I really did not know anything about the rest of the family. Yikes 😬. You had me 😂 when you said Cleopatra might have been thought of as a beauty because her deformities may have been better when compared to others. Thank you for a great job covering this.

    • @venanziocalise946
      @venanziocalise946 2 года назад +38

      Beauty properganda after her death, brains diplomacy intelligence and battle strategy and architecture building designs were her talents.

    • @pliny8308
      @pliny8308 2 года назад +24

      I don't think that's it. She went to Rome, and the Romans detested her and called her all kinds of names. Had she been deformed they would have said so. I think it may be a situation like that of the Hawaiian royal family. They too practiced brother/sister marriage and uncle/niece marriage. The defective offspring were thrown into the volcanoes as offerings to the gods. Only the ones who looked normal were kept. Bad dog breeders do the same, to be able to sell the puppies. Of course, some defects can't be seen, bad hips being a prime example

    • @ataventurine7515
      @ataventurine7515 2 года назад +2

      @@pliny8308 are you serious? The Egyptians don’t have volcanoes.

    • @dukey19941
      @dukey19941 2 года назад +18

      @@ataventurine7515 Pliny 830 was talking about Hawaii with regards to volcanoes.

    • @pearltoomer6392
      @pearltoomer6392 2 года назад +5

      @@ataventurine7515 Hawaiian royal family.

  • @nicolesmith5240
    @nicolesmith5240 2 года назад +2228

    I knew she wasn’t physically beautiful, but she was extremely intelligent, spoke several languages fluently and they said her voice was mesmerizing. She also knew the art of seduction.
    A lot of people think that looks alone are what captivate, but charisma, personality and that IT factor is what truly attracts people.

    • @LegendRonk
      @LegendRonk 2 года назад +108

      First comes looks.. face it, she was busted

    • @penitentone6998
      @penitentone6998 2 года назад +158

      Or maybe just like her looks, her intelligence was also exaggerated

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    • @roddo1955
      @roddo1955 2 года назад +25

      I think the seduction part is male conjecture. It fits the patriarchy to paint Cleo as a seductress. Because a woman can't be succesful unless she seduces a man, right?😉Julius Ceasar didn't marry Cleo because she seduced him; it was political strategy. The two agreed that her brother was unfit to rule. And the only way to stop the Greek elite from standing in Cleo's way, was with Roman support. When Cleo married Julius, nobody challenged her claim to the Egyptian throne. Without Rome's backing, she would have been assassinated.Cleo ruled because she was the most capable. Julius Gaius did not become Ceasar because he was the kind of man who allowed a teenager to sweep him off his feet. And Cleo did not become Pharao because she was a good seductress. She was a highly capable, highly intelligent and a politically savvy, individual. Very practical, too. She was the only one in her family who recognised the importance of good PR; She spoke Egyptian, her family did'nt bother. She actively took part in religeous ceremonies for all the people to see. That is politics and mob-control. And that is what made Julius great in Rome when he became dictator: PR. the grand heroic general who rid Rome of the corrupt Republic and ensured 'strong' leadership. All smoke and mirrors and still he crossed the Rubicon.When he met Cleo, he must have thought:" now this is a political ally on my level. Plus I need her because of all the grain we import from Egypt. She is loved by her people. If I marry her; Egypt will see me as her consort instead of their dictator. While in Rome, they will see her as my conquest and subject instead of a separatist rebel. Win-win situation!"

    • @idylledoll
      @idylledoll 2 года назад +146

      EXACTLY. Men everywhere wanted her and she was average in comparison to queens of her time because physical beauty only goes so far, she had captivated men through her charm, intelligence and personality...THAT is what truly hooks a man long term.

  • @laken1804
    @laken1804 2 года назад +204

    They were a bunch of psychopaths. Marrying and killing each other.

    • @ladyville3
      @ladyville3 2 года назад +3

      Why would they think of it in that way? Like talking to a caveman about iPods.

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    • @thegamingda7404
      @thegamingda7404 2 года назад +2

      The English royal family still practice this incest stuff ,just need to look at them to see

    • @Catalyna
      @Catalyna 2 года назад +3

      @@ladyville3 Yup especially since in those days that's what they had to do to survive, nobody wanted to live in exile especially when they could live with everything pampered and lots of power not just political power either.
      They were born into these powerful families and were raised by their parents to hold onto this power anyway they could they were also revered as closet human beings to god and gods,
      even kings and queens in the royal english french spanish etc families they say kings(and therfor queens once king passed) are anointed by god, even if it was not true and they were picked by their marriages,bloodlines, and relatives/governments of power.
      Because of what they believed and were told that thy were chosen by god they believed they could get away with things like killing each other and they could once they held onto power to make it go away, similar to how many rich people get away from long punishment sentences and even convictions alone just by the sheer amount of money they have which can buy them connections bribes and legal teams that none other without their money can do

    • @Sevren_
      @Sevren_ 2 года назад +1

      Morality is is very fluid. So I wouldn’t call them psychos

  • @alittleimagination9023
    @alittleimagination9023 2 года назад +16

    4:38 it's like the couldn't keep track of the number, and when they learned they skipped to 8, they decided to go back to 7 instead of going to 9. Lol

  • @kael6720
    @kael6720 2 года назад +622

    What's interesting is that in the ancient Egyptian perspective, marrying a sister/brother wasn't all that absurd, particularly for the pharaohs. The gods often married siblings (Shu+Tefnut, Geb+Nut, Osiris+Isis, Osiris+Nephthys, Nephthys+Set), and the royal line were supposed to be genetic descendants and/or reincarnations of the gods.
    So all that inbreeding is just business as usual...

    • @susie9893
      @susie9893 2 года назад +67

      Yup, you can justify any behaviour (including incest) if you say your gods do it

    • @maykemabulkul4896
      @maykemabulkul4896 2 года назад

      I think it actually worked the other way round
      As in, egyptian royalties wanted to inbreed and then fabricated the legends of how their gods practiced incest as well as defense mechanism.

    • @runicspyder
      @runicspyder 2 года назад +38

      Incest in Mythologies isnt that uncommon! Hell the Greek Gods did it too XDDD

    • @jensenhealey08
      @jensenhealey08 2 года назад +22

      @@runicspyder In the bible too. Lot and his daughters.

    • @runicspyder
      @runicspyder 2 года назад

      @@jensenhealey08 yep. He was raped by his daughters and he offered em up to be raped by sodom.

  • @scz1770
    @scz1770 2 года назад +813

    I think this whole debate ignores the fact that pharaohs had concubines. The only time it's mentioned is when it's said that it's possible Ptolemy XII's mother wasn't actually Cleopatra IV but was possibly a concubine. It's not acknowledged that even if a child was born of a concubine, their official mother was the First Wife on record, which is what we pull our history from. I think this occasional genetic influx from outside the gene pool is what kept them somewhat fertile over the years instead of solely producing sterile children or stillbirths.

    • @kaamn1829
      @kaamn1829 2 года назад +5

      what do you mean by first wife on record?

    • @eep_eep
      @eep_eep 2 года назад +36

      @@kaamn1829 lots of wives man

    • @IrisRiedel6
      @IrisRiedel6 2 года назад +109

      @@kaamn1829 it means officially, it was written that these kids belonged to the first wife. Even though the pharaoh's concubines gave birth to them.

    • @susie9893
      @susie9893 2 года назад +93

      Good point. AND the most logical argument imo.
      Given all these political marriages they probably had the same view of marriage that so many aristocrats have had through the ages - that you marry for gain then can sleep with whoever you want

    • @augustusfreeman4032
      @augustusfreeman4032 2 года назад +27

      @@susie9893 DNA Tracing has shown that this was actually extremely rare, lol, women back in the ancient times were loyal! At least when it's time to have children to be honest.

  • @elizabethshaw734
    @elizabethshaw734 2 года назад +387

    Usually coins and things are an idealized version of the person. So according to her coin she looks worse than the coin and the coin looks pretty bad!

    • @VideoDotGoogleDotCom
      @VideoDotGoogleDotCom 2 года назад +25

      Let's see your coin!

    • @chicosmommy498
      @chicosmommy498 2 года назад +13

      @@annewilson9301 and they got Charles 🤢

    • @asiakat7700
      @asiakat7700 2 года назад +1

      Ur jelly,she was gorgeous,like Camila cabello

    • @asiakat7700
      @asiakat7700 2 года назад

      Jelly 😂 she was a natural beauty

    • @jamiemohan2049
      @jamiemohan2049 2 года назад +18

      They masculanised her face on purpose. She could have been pretty. But didn't have her artists make her that way

  • @damouretdelaine5311
    @damouretdelaine5311 2 года назад +37

    "She wasn't too impressed that her eldest son tried to assassinate her..." LMAO. This stuff is gold!

    • @Peekaboo-Kitty
      @Peekaboo-Kitty 8 месяцев назад

      No, it was her brother who tried to assassinate her!

  • @SK22520
    @SK22520 2 года назад +62

    The killing off everybody and then marrying each others sisters brothers cousins daughters fathers whatever is just insane.

  • @rachel_sj
    @rachel_sj 2 года назад +160

    Calling the Ptolemy family tree Spaghetti is a bit too generous, it looks more like a Pancake

    • @aubreyackermann8432
      @aubreyackermann8432 2 года назад +10

      Funnel cake

    • @hifibrony
      @hifibrony 2 года назад +3

      The family stump.

    • @dittohead7044
      @dittohead7044 2 года назад +2

      Scrambled eggs

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  • @janicem9225
    @janicem9225 2 года назад +513

    Well.
    You have to remember....
    In Egypt, they used tons of makeup, including thick eyeliner, dark red lip color, dark, tightly curled or woven wigs, lots of beautiful jewelry, etc., so with enough makeup, she could have passed for pretty, or even somewhat attractive.
    Some of the writings from the time, called her beautiful and charming.

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    • @DarkAquaVII
      @DarkAquaVII 2 года назад +6

      That is very true. I agree!

    • @TheMehrkornbroetchen
      @TheMehrkornbroetchen 2 года назад +22

      But there’s no way the make up was as good as what we are using today
      I mean it must have looked very mask like

    • @samSamSam11918
      @samSamSam11918 2 года назад +1

      He'd know lmao. I think he discussed why she would be considered pretty at that time in the beginning itself.

    • @moononthewindynight27
      @moononthewindynight27 2 года назад +40

      I don't know why is it so hard to accept that those types of facial traits were just considered pretty at the time. People's general taste changes over time (I mean just compare the 90s and now!)

  • @Smiles2U4Ever
    @Smiles2U4Ever Год назад +62

    I doubt Cleopatra was ugly or looked deformed. She lured both Julius Caesar and Marcus Antony to her bed and had kids with them. She was likely exotic-looking and knew how to use her body and personality. She was intelligent and knew how to manipulate.

    • @blackbartthepoet3820
      @blackbartthepoet3820 7 месяцев назад

      UNLESS she had that GYAT

    • @tiredteen8906
      @tiredteen8906 7 месяцев назад +8

      Girlboss

    • @dawnelder9046
      @dawnelder9046 6 месяцев назад +6

      The Romans thought a unibrow was beautiful.

    • @MikeScott-ez7iw
      @MikeScott-ez7iw 6 месяцев назад

      ​@midnightkitty7
      Egypt y'all can have ugly Cleopatra let's be clear Ancient Egypt was pure African people not Egyptian and Mediterranean dark 🌑 skin bs 💯 true facts

    • @catwoman4983
      @catwoman4983 5 месяцев назад

      There weren’t any cameras or paintings in those times. Everything was carved in stone. I’m sure an insecure man created this.

  • @alessiodecarolis
    @alessiodecarolis 2 года назад +509

    This is simply monstrous, how was possible that no one tought of these unions as insane (at the best!).
    After all there was a reason for all these pharao's dynasties, they were so inbreeded that in few generations went extinct...and then another one repeated the cycle

    • @zenkiea9663
      @zenkiea9663 2 года назад +8

      Could not agree with you more!

    • @tallgrasslanestitches6635
      @tallgrasslanestitches6635 2 года назад +125

      I think it had to do with the idea that pharaohs were gods, and therefore couldn’t marry regular people. And there was no way to understand genetics as it is now understood. I also wonder if any physical characteristics and/or disabilities that we now to be signs of incest would never have been pointed out as negative or problematic simply because no one dared insinuate there was anything wrong with them.

    • @mkuti-childress3625
      @mkuti-childress3625 2 года назад +30

      They would have known that inbreeding caused horrible problems in animals, so it wouldn’t have been from a lack of information.
      However, if they were anything like the European royal family, also inbred (though not to this horrifying degree), they believed that they were different from commoners, as God made them “special,” and set them apart to rule. They probably assumed that God would also protect them from any negative results that might happen if they had “only” been commoners.
      It’s just so creepy!!

    • @Jaheartsjonas
      @Jaheartsjonas 2 года назад +9

      I think around that time or years before the Hebrews were one of the few in that surrounding Mediterranean area to teach against incest and other harmful practices, hence why up to today why people believe the ten commandments and the other laws they were given are truly from God

    • @iamjustsaying4787
      @iamjustsaying4787 2 года назад +41

      @ Alessio De Carolis it is unfair to judge these ancients by modern knowledge and ethics. There is no doubt that if the tolls were reversed they would be horrified at our lack of understanding in engineering and our societal norms.

  • @GoldLove21
    @GoldLove21 2 года назад +235

    I got a headache trying to rember all that, sir you have my respect for memorizing that treacherous grapevine of a family lineage👏

    • @MortalFaces
      @MortalFaces  2 года назад +19

      Thank you

    • @pash9956
      @pash9956 2 года назад +8

      Like a rootbound plant that circles and circles around the pot.

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    • @Areyousayingidontknowmyname
      @Areyousayingidontknowmyname 2 года назад +5

      LOL not a grapevine its a string with nothing coming from it at all.

    • @golden8972
      @golden8972 2 года назад

      No joke, right?!

  • @VideoSaySo
    @VideoSaySo 2 года назад +342

    Paganini...I want to see a full body recreation of Paganini. I asked about it in another video but they only did the bust. I have a grim curiosity to see how his unusually long bones and unique physical appearance would come out! Contemporaries wrote about how he was strange looking...they even thought he was demon possessed! Show us what he really looked like, pretty please? =))

    • @nisaba5752
      @nisaba5752 2 года назад +20

      I don't know much about him, but when you say "long boned" I'm wondering if he had Marfan Syndrome? People with Marfan Syndrome often have unusual facial features, so that would be interesting to see his likeness.

    • @VideoSaySo
      @VideoSaySo 2 года назад +9

      @@nisaba5752 Exactly! I couldn't remember Marfans...so my big fancy thesaurus helped me to pick out something easier lol!

    • @patriciarose9532
      @patriciarose9532 2 года назад +9

      @@VideoSaySo like Lincoln?

    • @VideoSaySo
      @VideoSaySo 2 года назад +4

      @@patriciarose9532 Very much so!

    • @spiritmatter1553
      @spiritmatter1553 2 года назад +11

      @@nisaba5752 You took the words from my mouth! I read the words "long bones," my mind leaps to "Marfan's syndrome"!

  • @Shiresgammai
    @Shiresgammai 2 года назад +8

    The Berlin Cleopatra is - like most ancient busts - an idealized depiction of Cleopatra. Look at statues of Gaius Iulius Caesar and Octavian/Augustus: Caesar didn't have the physique of a teenager at fifty and Augustus didn't have the body of a body builder with a sixpack. Same goes btw for Egyptian portrayals of Pharaohs, those depictions were also idealized, one notable exception though are statues by Akhenaten (Amenhotep IV) which depict him with a beer belly and a postural defect.

  • @jordyn.24
    @jordyn.24 2 года назад +36

    “Once her uncle-husband died” LMAO

  • @mysryuza
    @mysryuza 2 года назад +229

    The fact that media that I grew up with didn’t specify how screwed up Cleo’s family tree is and how I somehow never knew she had ancestors she was named after is crazy

    • @stephaniefogelvik4756
      @stephaniefogelvik4756 Год назад +6

      This is why it's important to read books.

    • @LiterallyAllNamesAreTaken
      @LiterallyAllNamesAreTaken Год назад +17

      @@stephaniefogelvik4756 or schools should just include information like this (when teaching ancient egypt) because it’s interesting. although please tell me the name of a book that talks about this stuff? 😅 mhm yea.

  • @ShinyStarfire
    @ShinyStarfire 2 года назад +80

    When your family tree is only the trunk of a tree.

  • @EdgarAllanGo
    @EdgarAllanGo Год назад +5

    This was brilliantly explained and visualized

  • @elforeigner3260
    @elforeigner3260 2 года назад +44

    Things haven’t changed that much in those lands. From Morocco to Pakistan they still marry their cousins over and over again, to keep their belongings and lands in “family” hands. Remember most marriages are arranged by the parents and it looks more like a comercial transaction

    • @maepicnic2460
      @maepicnic2460 2 года назад

      Sometimes cousins look nothing alike? Depends right…Hopefully if luck would have it.

    • @stealthwarrior5768
      @stealthwarrior5768 2 года назад

      I think that is just a prejudiced stereotype your trying to perpetuate. I'm fairly sure it is not illegal to have a sexual relationship with your sibling in the U.S.A

    • @goddesst
      @goddesst Год назад

      @@stealthwarrior5768 it is illegal in most states, there's laws against incest. Also, thats not just a stereotype in Pakistan, it's a way of life and i know first hand it is. My mom became friends with a guy from there who was forced to marry his 16 year old cousin, they had babies and everything.

  • @roxyndra
    @roxyndra 2 года назад +262

    Oh wow that was an incredibly helpful visual - thank you!
    Side note, children often weren’t /actually/ those of siblingspouses, but just passed off as such for like uh, sacred dynastical reasons. Basically, they knew repeated inbreeding was bad, but it was tradition, so the royals found a workaround to appease the people whilst avoiding what would inevitably be death to a line otherwise.

    • @lltbcke
      @lltbcke 2 года назад +35

      so probably having harems was a good justification back then. I can't believe how those people survived inbreeding

    • @FrenchViking466
      @FrenchViking466 2 года назад +10

      Spot on.

    • @bernlin2000
      @bernlin2000 2 года назад

      So it's quite possible these family trees are effectively forgeries. Mistresses have been a long tradition of royalty and I wouldn't be the least shocked if many of these marriages had outside genetics brought into the mix. Why it was tradition to in-breed remains a mystery, but surely it's an archaic notion, that obviously lacked any scientific merit. This idea that royal blood was "divine".

    • @teejay8258
      @teejay8258 2 года назад +8

      That makes sense. While listening, I thought it seemed infeasible that the offspring were normal with so much inbreeding!

    • @jamiemohan2049
      @jamiemohan2049 Год назад

      This is just not true. Incest does NOT guarantee offspring are defermed. The Ptolemies were all lunatics and many members are believed to have suffered from genetic diseases. The Ptolemies were that inbred and many were also totally functional as happens in real life.

  • @arissa3959
    @arissa3959 2 года назад +74

    Damn that was so complicated. So much drama and literal back-stabbing in that family

    • @lohaye3260
      @lohaye3260 2 года назад +4

      And you think that your family is bad 😐

    • @saranya1111_
      @saranya1111_ 2 года назад

      @@lohaye3260 Man 😂😂😂

    • @currentlyearth8867
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  • @stembysaketh7656
    @stembysaketh7656 Год назад +11

    Can you do Akhenaten next? I love your videos! I am a 13 year old very interested in Egyptology, and your videos help me learn a lot!

  • @LadyCoyKoi
    @LadyCoyKoi 2 года назад +163

    Unlike Charles II, Cleopatra still managed to bump and grin with Roman generals and have children with them, while also being very intelligent and well knowledge in military strategy and knew many languages. Charles II wasn't able to speak clearly in his own language muchless speak in that of other languages. Which makes you question does the extra X chromosome protect women from the imbecile side of being inbred-ed? 🤔 I read that the extra X chromosome protected females from various diseases and disorders which plagued males more often. Cleopatra also goes to show that when you have family members who educate and expose you to certain information you manage to pick it up, especially when exposed at a young age, despite learning disabilities and inbreding negative side effects. Charles II of Spain had no luck. He was basically manipulated and isolated since infancy. Had he been taught by patience caring teachers, he too would've learned over 7 different languages and been a great Spanish leader. Properly would've adopted kids from noble families as his own, since he couldn't have his own children, but saved the Habsberg dynasty by adopting nephews, nieces or younger cousins to be his children, avoiding the harsh wars and battles after his death and continued the Habsberg dynasty through adoptions. Unfortunately, his education was piss poor. Cleopatra in that sense was super lucky to have family and tutors who cared for her and that she wanted to learn. That makes a huge difference.

    • @jennyrose9454
      @jennyrose9454 2 года назад +30

      Yeah. Also maybe she wasn't a drooling mouth breather.

    • @mangot589
      @mangot589 2 года назад +36

      That’s an interesting thought🤔. The Habsburg women did have some jaws, not as severe, but they seemed to have escaped the worst of the problems.

    • @silverstuff182
      @silverstuff182 2 года назад +13

      It's not an "extra" X chromosome. One of them comes from Mom and one of them comes from Dad and there are no guarantees either way.

    • @tuathadesidhe1530
      @tuathadesidhe1530 2 года назад +12

      Yes the X is protective against many genetic diseases, women often carry them but are not affected physically by them = the Y chromosome is a faulty X.

    • @peachymeechie1844
      @peachymeechie1844 2 года назад +19

      I think you might be on to something here, because I had read somewhere that Charles II's sister had a slight Habsburg chin, but other than that wasn't too awfully affected by their inbreeding. By this time I'm pretty sure they were getting close to understanding that the inbreeding was an issue, but still married her off to a family member! So I guess I'm the end they didn't care about anything but keeping the money and power in the family. Idk why, because you don't take it with you when you go, or at least for the Egyptian pharoahs they had some belief in taking their riches with them and needing them in the afterlife. So k guess I could understand from their point of view keeping it in the family, but still their offspring should have been important to them. That's just human nature!

  • @leylalienhart9799
    @leylalienhart9799 2 года назад +34

    I guess the question “I wonder if the baby will look more like the mothers or more like the fathers side” was a question never asked nor needed in THAT family 🤣🤣🤣

  • @Lutomoria
    @Lutomoria 2 года назад +111

    I feel like nicknames would have been used heavily in this family, considering every male is named Ptolemy and all the girls are Bernice, Arsinoe, or Cleopatra.

    • @darnellgrape-drinker4916
      @darnellgrape-drinker4916 2 года назад +6

      There were; Ptolemy Soter (Savior), Ptolemy Philadelphos (Brother Loving), Ptolemy Ceraunos (Lightning Bolt), etc...

    • @happyyuk
      @happyyuk Год назад +6

      Or maybe that's why they liked to kill of each other so they would be the only one remaining Ptelomy/ Cleopatra in the generation lol

    • @KasumiRINA
      @KasumiRINA Год назад +2

      Yes, the one everyone knows is Cleopatra VIIth Philopator.

    • @johnnyhammer
      @johnnyhammer Год назад

      Egyptian Goodfellas wedding scene.

  • @HepCatJack
    @HepCatJack 2 года назад +37

    There was a contemporary painting of her made after she committed suicide commissioned by Octavian. The artist was the same one that done a painting of Cleopatra with Mark Anthony when they were alive. The painting commissioned by Octavian was destroyed in WWI but descriptions of it survive. She had red hair.

    • @KasumiRINA
      @KasumiRINA Год назад +4

      There is also Herculaneum portrait that survived having auburn or reddish hair... that would make her pale too, as that's how redheads work. This ALSO doesn't mean she was 100% European either, as Middle Eastern and North African people can have red hair, it's just more rare than, say, in Scotland... when it comes with ancient dynasties, take their family trees with a huge grain of salt. It's unknown who was Cleo's mother and her paternal grandma was likely from Syria. But we don't have the bloodlines of mistresses and every random pharaohs lover.

    • @k.c.r.5974
      @k.c.r.5974 Год назад +4

      "We wuz kangs too" - some ginger freak

    • @RainyCityVibe
      @RainyCityVibe Год назад +2

      This is untrue. There are no records of there ever being any paintings done of Cleopatra while she lived, the oldest known painting is the Herculaneum portrait that was made decades after her death.
      After Augustus ascended to Princeps, he spent a lot of time trying (futilely) to erase Antony from Roman history. It's unlikely he would have wasted effort commissioning work by Antony's similarly traitorous lover (regardless of the history she had with Caesar). Especially unlikely considering her parading of Cessarion.
      Furthermore, photography existed well before WW1. If such a painting had been destroyed by this time, it's likely there'd be photographic evidence of it.

    • @Maesterful
      @Maesterful Год назад +1

      @@RainyCityVibe Surely she would have had paintings of her done in Egypt though?

  • @The10mmcure
    @The10mmcure 2 года назад +45

    There's a crazy broad that calls in to George Noory every so often talking about how she was Cleopatra in a past life and knows everything Cleopatra knew. I just want one caller or guest to ask her "which Cleopatra were you"? That would be a priceless meltdown to behold.

    • @RC.-
      @RC.- 2 года назад +21

      Or ask her “Do you remember marrying your brother?” 😂

    • @babywah3290
      @babywah3290 Год назад

      I think Art Bell might’ve asked that if he had the patience not to hang up on her😂

  • @ailecdreifuss8627
    @ailecdreifuss8627 2 года назад +21

    Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and personality attract much more. She was an incredible leader for her time.

  • @elizabethshaw734
    @elizabethshaw734 2 года назад +28

    They were scared to death of losing the throne so they married children and cousins and whatnot.

  • @oldharpydisguised709
    @oldharpydisguised709 2 года назад +12

    Well inbred or not Cleopatra was both extremely bright and said to be very charming. She was very well educated by male standards, being a polyglot as well as a known mathematician. It probably also helped that she was Queen of the bread basket of the world at that time.

  • @sandieed6058
    @sandieed6058 2 года назад +102

    You managed to describe and show the lineage so well. What you do is amazing. I love the characters coming to life. I'm in Scotland, you should do a bit of Scottish history.

    • @spiritmatter1553
      @spiritmatter1553 2 года назад +2

      Yes to examining Scottish history!

    • @currentlyearth8867
      @currentlyearth8867 2 года назад

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  • @TheMeowizer
    @TheMeowizer 2 года назад +64

    i always think, what's the difference between how the ancient rich people pretend to be pretty in sculptures and paintings - to how celebrities lie about their own beauty... and i also think that wedding in the family may still be prevalent in highly rich families. thank you for another interesting vid. you are lovely and talented

    • @DDominoGeronimo
      @DDominoGeronimo 2 года назад +2

      Megan and Harry are distant cousins…

    • @currentlyearth8867
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  • @vbrown6445
    @vbrown6445 2 года назад +73

    Usually when one group conquers another, they start marrying into the royalty/nobles of the conquered group as it helps to establish connections to their new subjects and a sense of legitimacy. I don't get why these Macedonian new rulers didn't start injecting some actual Egyptian (or other north African) noble blood into their family line. I don't even think the former (actual) Egyptian rulers did this much inbreeding! The Ptolemys heard stories of the former pharoahs marrying their siblings, and said "Yes, please!"

    • @tangchan6221
      @tangchan6221 2 года назад +30

      The former rulers did a lot of it too and actually had mothers and fathers married to their sons and daughters. I think they adopted the culture quite rapidly.

    • @akirafudo4419
      @akirafudo4419 2 года назад +22

      Actually in ancient Egyptian culture it was actually really normal for the royalty practice incest. The Ptolemaic just adopted that part of Egyptian culture

    • @vbrown6445
      @vbrown6445 2 года назад +14

      @@akirafudo4419 Oh, I know the ancient Egyptians did it. It just seems like the Ptolemys really dove into that particular "perk" of being an Egyptian royal and took it to another level.

    • @akirafudo4419
      @akirafudo4419 2 года назад +14

      @@vbrown6445 actually this form of incest was normal for the royal dynasties. The Ptolemy were just doing what all the other dynasties did. Sibling marriages or even parents marrying kids was normal

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  • @OcarinaSapphr-
    @OcarinaSapphr- 2 года назад +49

    You think the Ptolemies have a complicated family tree- look at their fellow _Daiodaci_ (heirs of Alexander), the Seleucids; their family ‘tree’ would give an expert geneaologist a migraine- & the _best_ part is... they also connect to the Ptolemaic family tree a couple of times, most notably through the first Cleopatra Selene...

    • @berilsevvalbekret772
      @berilsevvalbekret772 2 года назад +2

      Oh my god. Maybe I should make my master thesis on Ptolemies family...

    • @kidsister316
      @kidsister316 2 года назад

      man, what a family! bizarre!

    • @currentlyearth8867
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  • @jillymck51
    @jillymck51 2 года назад +15

    Good Gosh !!!! How do you unravel such a complicated family tree??? And then you explain it all without missing a beat. Amazing 🙃🙃🙃

  • @advocacynaccountablity
    @advocacynaccountablity 2 года назад +227

    Excellently done - thank you for putting this together. It's interesting/horrifying to know the extent with which some families went to ensure their power.

    • @venanziocalise946
      @venanziocalise946 2 года назад +8

      Look at royal family of England...Europe.

    • @SixMiracles-uj1zp
      @SixMiracles-uj1zp 2 года назад +1

      Their blood is different. They are the tares. They get to be royal, rich, famous, etc. in this Second Earth Age. Then it is over for them. (There are three Earth Ages. 2Peter, Ch. 3) They cannot mix with God's own.

    • @janicem9225
      @janicem9225 2 года назад

      @@SixMiracles-uj1zp
      Huh?
      I don't think you know what you're talking about in any way. 🤣

    • @currentlyearth8867
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  • @KitsuyuutsuR
    @KitsuyuutsuR Год назад +19

    Remember all this when you decide on a Cleopatra costume for Halloween… If you aren’t so inbred that your mom’s your sister and your dad’s your uncle, you can’t pull it off 😂

  • @whatalsaid
    @whatalsaid 2 года назад +191

    learning Cleopatra WASN'T beautiful is definitely one of the most shocking things I've learned. Movies and TV always make her out to be this rare beauty, so much so that Elizabeth Taylor, one of THE most beautiful women to ever live, played her in a movie.

    • @HereIAm247
      @HereIAm247 2 года назад +19

      She might have actually been beautiful though. She is often described as more Egyptian looking, so she might have been a result of infidelity between her mother and an Egyptian man. Infidelity may even have happened in several generations, which Cleopatra may or may not have had more genetics from. And therefore much less affected by the inbreeding.

    • @Sevren_
      @Sevren_ 2 года назад +24

      @@HereIAm247 more likely she was just average

    • @Laila-hl8dc
      @Laila-hl8dc 2 года назад +31

      @@HereIAm247 nah the coin is the most accurate portrayal of her she looks full greek and her dna is full greek with some persian thats all.

    • @Knsoms
      @Knsoms 2 года назад

      @@Laila-hl8dc coins are often propaganda. The best evidence we have are Roman busts

    • @sandrahatherley2184
      @sandrahatherley2184 2 года назад +4

      Well, they won't chose someone ugly

  • @caitlinallen8400
    @caitlinallen8400 2 года назад +53

    Cleopatra's family tree:
    "How many Ptolemy's would you like?"
    Family tree: "Yes"

  • @jessicabeca1234
    @jessicabeca1234 2 года назад +22

    0:51 “perhaps she was beautiful in comparison to everyone around her who might have looked even more out of sort “
    End of video for me 😂🙌🏽

  • @babywah3290
    @babywah3290 Год назад +4

    Cleopatra’s catchphrase was - “Hey, you guys!!!!!”

  • @chatita9527
    @chatita9527 2 года назад +55

    Woooow, there flies my thought of Cleopatra as a beauty straight out of the window ... 😳😳😳 So Hollywood was quite wrong ... 🤔 thank you for your research and this brilliant video! 👍🤗🇩🇪

    • @zarwine7080
      @zarwine7080 2 года назад +10

      Cleopatra was not beautiful, she used her brains and sexuality to be in power.

    • @Lia-vw8wy
      @Lia-vw8wy 2 года назад +15

      Hollywood and right? when did that ever happen...

    • @winniethepoohandeeyore2
      @winniethepoohandeeyore2 2 года назад +6

      Yeah, Liz Taylor portraying Cleopatra. Liz was beautiful in her younger years, Cleopatra not so much

    • @virginiaconway374
      @virginiaconway374 2 года назад +4

      I always heard Helen of Troy was mesmerizing to look at, a real beauty. Maybe these guys were gone so long at war that anything would look good. Helen of Troy the face that launched a thousand ships.

    • @ladyv5655
      @ladyv5655 2 года назад +9

      @@virginiaconway374 , Helen of Troy is a fictional character, though was probably based on a real person. Her mother, Leda, was, according to mythology, insanely beautiful and was seduced by the god, Zeus. So, yeah, if your dad is a Greek god, you will probably have above average looks.

  • @hardtogetnamehere
    @hardtogetnamehere 2 года назад +27

    As far as cleopatra goes, have you seen how makeup makes such a difference? Huge difference. She may have been stunning with makeup on.

    • @SummerRocks50
      @SummerRocks50 2 года назад +4

      No amount of makeup can fix an actually ugly face.

    • @lauraboor6440
      @lauraboor6440 2 года назад +15

      @@SummerRocks50 Yes, it can! Most of the women considered beautiful now, look like crap without it. Why do you think it is a billion dollar industry

    • @asiakat7700
      @asiakat7700 2 года назад

      Nah she was a natural beauty,jelly?

    • @asiakat7700
      @asiakat7700 2 года назад +1

      @@annewilson9301 most beautiful women are plain without makeup 🙄

    • @avasd59
      @avasd59 2 года назад

      @@annewilson9301 😂🤣

  • @norasmith4939
    @norasmith4939 2 года назад +33

    This family tree is horrible. Thank you for the video

  • @vields2352
    @vields2352 Год назад +16

    Records say she was not a great beauty but still attractive and her personality made her more so. I don’t think powerful men like Caesar and Mark Anthony who had their pick of women would have fallen under her spell if she had been deformed in some way.

    • @elipotter369
      @elipotter369 Год назад +2

      She resembles Sophia Loren, who is super beautiful.

    • @senerzen
      @senerzen Год назад

      They weren't dating her because she was beautiful. They were dating her to better control Egypt, despite her ugliness. Real life isn't a Hollywood movie.

  • @fatnsassy99
    @fatnsassy99 2 года назад +10

    Only a face a mother could love. In her case, a brother

  • @ditzygypsy
    @ditzygypsy 2 года назад +17

    Whoa. I didn’t know there were six other Cleopatras! I know my cousins’ grandchildren. I think everyone should know as many generations of relatives as possible to avoid marrying in the family. It is disturbing and disgusting.

  • @yelena86
    @yelena86 2 года назад +9

    This channel is superb and also very underrated. Thank you so much for all the hard work you put into each and every video, it must take hours upon hours of work to bring all the historic people to life, I very much appreciate all you do. Thanks again and sending love to you from Australia 👍✌️🙏❤️

  • @ChiefBrianIrons
    @ChiefBrianIrons Год назад +20

    I am confused a historian on Netflix drama documentary said that her grandmother told her that Cleopatra was black 😂

    • @blackbeauti8429
      @blackbeauti8429 6 месяцев назад

      I was always told she was black as well just like Jesus was black but in the United States he white with blue eyes

    • @dawnelder9046
      @dawnelder9046 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@blackbeauti8429In reality Jewish or Arab looking. The Jews then would have been part of the Arab community. Same genetics.
      When they moved into Europe they started to mix with the local populations.
      So Southern Europe Jews still had that Arab, Mediterranean look. In Northern Europe you start to get more of the blue eyes showing up. Same with Russian Jews.
      Most of the images you see come from Europe or Russia and their idea of how he looks dates back centuries. They painted what they knew.
      If Europe had remained pagen and Southern Africa had become the dominate Christian area, Jesus would have been painted as black, because that is all the people would have known.
      If the Middle East had become the dominant Christian area, Jesus would have looked the right way in paintings.
      If China had been the dominant Christian area he would have looked Chinese.

  • @QuestionableLifeChoices
    @QuestionableLifeChoices 2 года назад +232

    if her mother actually really was an outsider, it would explain how she was not just relatively normal looking, but crazy smart, too

    • @jamiemohan2049
      @jamiemohan2049 2 года назад +26

      Her mother wasnt an outsider. The Ptolemies were racist as hell. Greek greek greek was all they portrayed themselves. Nobody accused her of being illegitimate until 2 centuries after she died. If she was, this would have been used against her during her life time. If anything Cleopatra VIII strategically eradicated her mother from the records after the year of her birth to make it seem as though her younger siblings were illegitimate.

    • @annemurphy9339
      @annemurphy9339 2 года назад +16

      @@jamiemohan2049 Exactly; her family ‘pure blood’ pedigree was her claim to the throne. Wild tales always start down the road. We have a segment now trying to claim England’s King James I was black - despite the plethora of caucasian man with reddish hair portraits he left behind.

    • @JaredBared
      @JaredBared 2 года назад +22

      If Cleo wasn't a full blooded Greek then Augustus would've made sure the whole Mediterranean knew.

    • @Vajrapani108
      @Vajrapani108 2 года назад +2

      @@JaredBared good point

    • @exu7325
      @exu7325 2 года назад +8

      @@jamiemohan2049 An outsider doesn't necessarily mean non-Greek.

  • @whyology.
    @whyology. 2 года назад +13

    there’s so many ptolemys and cleopatras, imagine calling one of them and a ton come

  • @mickey23052
    @mickey23052 2 года назад +46

    Surprising how the myth arose that Cleopatra was a beauty!

    • @tsarina24honolulu87
      @tsarina24honolulu87 2 года назад +5

      The human race is quite gross

    • @asiakat7700
      @asiakat7700 2 года назад +1

      Was no myth

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    • @RC.-
      @RC.- 2 года назад +7

      In reality she was probably average and looked beautiful when wearing wigs, jewelry and makeup.

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  • @CITADEL5
    @CITADEL5 Год назад +3

    Excellent video! Clearly describes Cleopatra VII's very muddled family tree. Concise and well presented!
    One issue I would hesitate to accept is you generated an image of Cleopatra VII that appears physically deformed. I believe this is unlikely.
    The Berlin bust you display of her was done while she was alive and living at Rome and although it does not show a raving beauty by any means there is no physical signs of deformity visible. You mentioned the nose and the chin. Being Greek myself I can tell you those are very standard Greek features. I have a cousin who could have passed for her sister at the same age. Further she was not well loved by Caesar's enemies at Rome who would have been eager to mention any "flaws" that Cleopatra displayed. There is no mention of this in Roman writings of the time. This would suggest that whatever issues Cleopatra VII had do to her incredibly inbred family tree they do not seem to have manifested themselves in visible deformity although I see it as very likely she and her siblings had plenty.

  • @DollsAndSpooks
    @DollsAndSpooks 2 года назад +60

    What really exasperated me about these old royal families is the repetitive names! Even in the British royal family, they keep using the same names over and over again! I get it that they want to emulate their elder kin but really, if your brother is already a Ptolemy, why name you Ptolemy as well? Thank God they don't do this anymore. The more unique the name, the better.

    • @ANJROTmania
      @ANJROTmania 2 года назад +2

      Imagine the fanaticism these people had to cope and believing this "tradition" of marrying their sister or continuing some royal bloodline. Using the same regnal name probably would helped them psychologically to enforce that ideals since their identity is always those of their bloodline. Its like a cult.

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    • @Lethesiana
      @Lethesiana 2 года назад

      Inbreeding hampers creativity.

    • @stealthwarrior5768
      @stealthwarrior5768 2 года назад

      The royal family of England still chose William and Henry ( calls himself Harry) because they are traditional royal names.

    • @christinewolfe5481
      @christinewolfe5481 2 года назад +1

      @@stealthwarrior5768 : True, but there isn't another William or Henry/Harry in the British royal family currently. There are two Edwards (Wessex and Kent), but no two of the present Queen's descendants have the same name. This is very unlike for example Queen Victoria, whose descendants include her daughter Princess Victoria and her granddaughters Victoria, Victoria, Victoria, Victoria Melita, Helena Victoria, and Victoria Eugenie (of Prussia, Wales, Hesse, Edinburgh, Schleswig-Holstein, and Battenberg respectively).

  • @helenwood1
    @helenwood1 2 года назад +26

    It's amazing that any of them lived with so much inbreeding. Yuk!

    • @pearltoomer6392
      @pearltoomer6392 2 года назад +1

      MORE THAN LIKELY I REAL ONE MOTHER MAY HAVE CHEATED,

  • @dra2521
    @dra2521 2 года назад +30

    Her beauty was either greatly exaggerated to save face, or it was a "beautiful by comparison" type situation. Or she lucked out by having DNA from that concubine, allegedly.

    • @thestorian4735
      @thestorian4735 2 года назад +3

      Even Plutarch who's considered to be a sensationalist source stated in his Life of Anthonius that "Her beauty was not all in itself together [...]" and went on to talk about her true beauty which was her wit, charm, elegance, and intelligence.
      Her coins and some other portrays often paint her as unattractive, but at the time it was common, actually quite expected that a competent female ruler would have herself portrayed as masculine and commanding. It's not really accurate to say she was down right hideous or we would have heard about it from her contemporaries/detractors. Men like Cicero who detested foreigners and monarchs, so in turn The Queen, would have just LOVED to have the opportunity to call her ugly.
      She was likely simply average or slightly above average in terms of looks. Still, there is a good chance that she could have been as likely to have be rather lovely as it's likely that she might have been plain in terms of her looks. It was her wit, charisma, gentle, demure attitude (at least towards her allies, children, and friends) brilliance, compassion for her common folk, exceedingly high education, and passion for learning and contributions in mathematics, medicine, music, philosophy, arts, literature, and the sciences, is where her magnestism definitely stemmed.
      It also helped that she was sovereign of what was under her administration to be the richest, most economically successful nation, with an exceedingly high living standard for the time, best urbane scene, and home of the most prosperous capital (Alexanderia) and one of the very best prospering countries in the whole ancient world.

  • @Moi_81
    @Moi_81 Год назад +4

    I think people were required to say she was beautiful. She was a ruler.

  • @Angelicwings1
    @Angelicwings1 2 года назад +95

    I don’t think she looked that bad. Obviously not as stunning as some accounts but I bet anything the Romans REALLY tried to make her look awful.

    • @ACS402010
      @ACS402010 2 года назад +8

      Well, of course you don't. Because all women are beautiful, right? Smdh

    • @alejandraguzman7709
      @alejandraguzman7709 2 года назад +1

      Yeah she just looks average.

    • @alejandraguzman7709
      @alejandraguzman7709 2 года назад

      @@ACS402010 She never said all women are beautiful, weirdo.

    • @elipotter369
      @elipotter369 Год назад

      I can see why she was considered beautiful- because she is very similar to Sophia Loren who was very beautiful.

  • @cindybrannen6597
    @cindybrannen6597 2 года назад +37

    Just discovered your channel. Very interesting and well explained! Some of these ancient families trees lead me to wonder how any of these families survived with so much inbreeding.

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  • @marisollobono9734
    @marisollobono9734 2 года назад +7

    That was so wild but I finally understand the family dynamic!!!!! Thank you.

  • @cascadianseagull
    @cascadianseagull Год назад +25

    Without a doubt, this is the most accurate depiction of Cleopatra to date.

    • @Facade953
      @Facade953 Год назад +1

      And she wasn't black like WOKEflix's " historical documentary " claims! I REALLY hope the Egyptian government wins that 2 billion dollar lawsuit! We Greeks should have sued them as well!

  • @dramallama6811
    @dramallama6811 2 года назад +15

    That was a wild ride

  • @mytruecrimelibrary
    @mytruecrimelibrary 2 года назад +13

    Yay! Was really hoping you'd cover Cleopatra!

  • @JJA_88
    @JJA_88 2 года назад +9

    Just subscribed after watching the video on Queen Elizabeth 1- very good channel. Awesome narration and I love your animation of the photos you make. Really enjoy your content and will continue to watch.

  • @rolturn
    @rolturn 2 года назад +1

    The fact that you could say, "half-brother cousin" and keep a straight face is hilarious.

  • @MalReaver
    @MalReaver 2 года назад +19

    Hearing their family tree laid out like that made me laugh so hard! It's a wonder the dynasty lasted so long!

    • @bentonrp
      @bentonrp 2 года назад +1

      Well, only a few hundred years. About 300, if memory serves me well. That's only about 12 generations, right?

  • @Nighthawk799
    @Nighthawk799 2 года назад +6

    Great video with lots of information. JUST INSANE!!!

  • @theresawalsh346
    @theresawalsh346 2 года назад +4

    Thanks for all your work. Your videos are very interesting

  • @zarasbazaar
    @zarasbazaar Год назад +12

    The description you give of her in the beginning sounds exactly like how Roman sculptures of women looked: prominent nose, deep set eyes, thin lips. She may have indeed been beautiful to the Romans.

    • @BlueMoonCircus
      @BlueMoonCircus 7 месяцев назад

      She was Greek.

    • @MarisaPaola-um5yb
      @MarisaPaola-um5yb 6 месяцев назад

      there is a theory that artists automatically gave strong leaders a 'strong nose' to reflect their personality.