As an example of the unity of the traditional propers, tonight's antiphon on Magnificat was 'The sick of palsy*therefoe took up the bed whereon he lay, glorifying God: and all the people, when they saw it, gave praise unto God, alleluia'. The Gospel for today's Mass was from Luke v, the story of the man 👨 with palsy whose friends made a hole in the roof where Jesus was teaching to let him down 'books with his couch into the midst before Jesus.'
Just purchased the Anglican Office Book on your recommendation. I’m Eastern Orthodox but I find the history of the Western Church fascinating, thank you for the trove of knowledge!
I don't think you will be disappointed. And, as I suggest in the video, the AOB can easily be seen as an elboration of the Lancelot Andrewes Western Rite Book of Common Prayer.
Hello my name is Mark I'm 73 years young and a priest for 24 years. I do appreciate your blog on St bernard Brv and the AOB. I like the aob lectionary because the Ps and readings complement ea other. I was trained to use the 1928 BCP. Your blob helped me to get back in track . Going back and forth in the prayer books was driving me crazy. I think the Jesus looks at that situation and laughs. Thank you for the inspiration. God Bless. Oh yes I live in Delaware the city of Seaford.
Alas. Although I was exposed to the '28 book, and of course quickly memorised many of its beautiful prayers, I was star-struck by Marion Hatchett who was my liturgy professor at Sewanee, who wrote the Book about the Prayer Book, after all, and who filled my head with all sorts of foolish double-soeak about how the new liturgies were enriching our worship--there was a whole series of books fom 815 when the ECUSA could still afford 815, called Enriching Our Worship--when actually it was impovershing it, IMHO.
Glad you've focused on prayer books because honestly before you I hadn't even ever considered them. It's even made me inquire about Orthodox worship and I'm not even Orthodox.
There’s a new prayer book out called, “Sacred Hours: The Lutheran Daily Office,” with a borrowed lectionary and collects from the 2019 ACNA Prayer Book. It was just released this month. It could make for an interesting comparative review.
I have a vague memory that the Scottish Episcopalian BCP introduced a two or three year lectionary. They were concerned with providing a breviary for clergy & readings for ordinary folk. I think the Sunday lections were not disturbed. I’ll have to dig out the info from a box buried in the basement to be sure. Great topic & video BTW!
Thanks for your comment. I haven't paid any attention to what the Scottish Episcopalians have done since, I guess, 1790. But I was reading just last night Robert Taft's discussion of the vat ii dancing around a clerical office and/or a lay office.
In so far as all the Apostolic Churches have used one year lectionaries the natural question to ask is why? The suspicion would be that they had good reason for the practice.
Origen says that in Alexandria they used a three year lectionary at his time, so Liturgical Movement folks thought they were also bringing back something ancient. They just didn’t always execute that very well.
Of course, what is missing in the great rush to remake the liturgy at vat ii was that the alexandrian lectionary was not adopted for use throughout the church. Neither was the 'Apostolic Tradition' of Hippolytus of Rome that became the 'ancient foundation' of the new Roman Missal and all its imitators. I am, by the way, responding to your comment on the feast of St. Vincent of Lerins.
Hello Dale, hope life in the tin can is going well. I've been enjoying your videos the last few weeks. I wanted to clarify this point you brought up, about the unity of traditional propers. To your knowledge, were the old propers common to the Anglican Communion, or all orthodox Western Christianity? I'm assuming the collects were specific to the Anglican tradition? But was the old lectionary common to Catholic, Anglican, other denominations? Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I am just falling down the rabbit hole of different lectionaries and prayer books, and it can be a bit overwhelming trying to sort it out.
@@mp77744 The lectionary and collects were common, except with some local variations. As well, Cranmer modified a few, sometimes for better English, but sometimes writing new ones, as famously for the Second Sunday of Advent.
@mp77744 Anglo-catholic books, such as the Lancelott Andrewes Press Matins or Lance Davis' Anglican Office Book, often print both the BCP and the Roman collects. The Litherans also retained the old lectionaries, as well as the minor propers --introits, gradually, &tc., which is one reason Bach's music is so ecumenical.
@@dalecaldwell Thank you! It is a real head scratcher to learn about such a rich heritage that was cast aside. Such are the times we live in. Seems like a missed opportunity for the BCP 2019, but we can't have it all. One day I hope to buy a copy of the AOB.
Ask the risk of running the proverbial "joke" into the ground, I too prefer the original Klingon to the Vatican Ii. Or, might that be Original Romulan" instead? 🙂 You video filled up a few gaps in my knowledge on these things. I appreciate that. I still want the Saint Bernard Breviary to be a success. However, my AOB, AB, and 1928 BCP with KJV and Apocrypha / Deuterocanonical is what I use to supplement my Heresy as I enter old age. The Saint Gregory Prayer Book is in that stack of books as well.
Lancelot Andrewes Press the closest thing I know to the collection. Because YT is weird about links in comments, I will put the link in a separate comment.
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As an example of the unity of the traditional propers, tonight's antiphon on Magnificat was 'The sick of palsy*therefoe took up the bed whereon he lay, glorifying God: and all the people, when they saw it, gave praise unto God, alleluia'. The Gospel for today's Mass was from Luke v, the story of the man 👨 with palsy whose friends made a hole in the roof where Jesus was teaching to let him down 'books with his couch into the midst before Jesus.'
Just purchased the Anglican Office Book on your recommendation. I’m Eastern Orthodox but I find the history of the Western Church fascinating, thank you for the trove of knowledge!
I don't think you will be disappointed. And, as I suggest in the video, the AOB can easily be seen as an elboration of the Lancelot Andrewes Western Rite Book of Common Prayer.
Hello my name is Mark I'm 73 years young and a priest for 24 years. I do appreciate your blog on St bernard Brv and the AOB. I like the aob lectionary because the Ps and readings complement ea other. I was trained to use the 1928 BCP. Your blob helped me to get back in track . Going back and forth in the prayer books was driving me crazy. I think the Jesus looks at that situation and laughs. Thank you for the inspiration. God Bless. Oh yes I live in Delaware the city of Seaford.
Alas. Although I was exposed to the '28 book, and of course quickly memorised many of its beautiful prayers, I was star-struck by Marion Hatchett who was my liturgy professor at Sewanee, who wrote the Book about the Prayer Book, after all, and who filled my head with all sorts of foolish double-soeak about how the new liturgies were enriching our worship--there was a whole series of books fom 815 when the ECUSA could still afford 815, called Enriching Our Worship--when actually it was impovershing it, IMHO.
I look forward to the sequel or pretty much any video you put up for that matter.
Thank you. If all goes well, the calendar video will be uploaded next Tuesday.
Glad you've focused on prayer books because honestly before you I hadn't even ever considered them. It's even made me inquire about Orthodox worship and I'm not even Orthodox.
There’s a new prayer book out called, “Sacred Hours: The Lutheran Daily Office,” with a borrowed lectionary and collects from the 2019 ACNA Prayer Book. It was just released this month. It could make for an interesting comparative review.
I saw that. It's rather pricy, but, we'll, I don't spend much on food and nothing on gasoline.
I have a vague memory that the Scottish Episcopalian BCP introduced a two or three year lectionary. They were concerned with providing a breviary for clergy & readings for ordinary folk. I think the Sunday lections were not disturbed. I’ll have to dig out the info from a box buried in the basement to be sure. Great topic & video BTW!
Thanks for your comment. I haven't paid any attention to what the Scottish Episcopalians have done since, I guess, 1790. But I was reading just last night Robert Taft's discussion of the vat ii dancing around a clerical office and/or a lay office.
In so far as all the Apostolic Churches have used one year lectionaries the natural question to ask is why?
The suspicion would be that they had good reason for the practice.
The one- year cycle seems obvious. The question should be, why go to the confusion of a three year pertubation.
ruclips.net/video/3G9Tub2iurg/видео.htmlsi=gQijFDsx60ZelqPc
Origen says that in Alexandria they used a three year lectionary at his time, so Liturgical Movement folks thought they were also bringing back something ancient. They just didn’t always execute that very well.
@@dalecaldwellThank you for the link it was of interest in several ways.
Of course, what is missing in the great rush to remake the liturgy at vat ii was that the alexandrian lectionary was not adopted for use throughout the church. Neither was the 'Apostolic Tradition' of Hippolytus of Rome that became the 'ancient foundation' of the new Roman Missal and all its imitators. I am, by the way, responding to your comment on the feast of St. Vincent of Lerins.
Hello Dale, hope life in the tin can is going well. I've been enjoying your videos the last few weeks. I wanted to clarify this point you brought up, about the unity of traditional propers. To your knowledge, were the old propers common to the Anglican Communion, or all orthodox Western Christianity? I'm assuming the collects were specific to the Anglican tradition? But was the old lectionary common to Catholic, Anglican, other denominations? Thank you for sharing your knowledge. I am just falling down the rabbit hole of different lectionaries and prayer books, and it can be a bit overwhelming trying to sort it out.
@@mp77744 The lectionary and collects were common, except with some local variations. As well, Cranmer modified a few, sometimes for better English, but sometimes writing new ones, as famously for the Second Sunday of Advent.
@mp77744 Anglo-catholic books, such as the Lancelott Andrewes Press Matins or Lance Davis' Anglican Office Book, often print both the BCP and the Roman collects. The Litherans also retained the old lectionaries, as well as the minor propers --introits, gradually, &tc., which is one reason Bach's music is so ecumenical.
@@mp77744 Thanks for a beautiful psalter.
@@dalecaldwell Thank you! It is a real head scratcher to learn about such a rich heritage that was cast aside. Such are the times we live in. Seems like a missed opportunity for the BCP 2019, but we can't have it all. One day I hope to buy a copy of the AOB.
@@dalecaldwell " Thanks for a beautiful psalter." I'm not sure what you're referring to. If somebody sent you a psalter, it was not me.
Ask the risk of running the proverbial "joke" into the ground, I too prefer the original Klingon to the Vatican Ii.
Or, might that be Original Romulan" instead? 🙂
You video filled up a few gaps in my knowledge on these things. I appreciate that.
I still want the Saint Bernard Breviary to be a success. However, my AOB, AB, and 1928 BCP with KJV and Apocrypha / Deuterocanonical is what I use to supplement my Heresy as I enter old age.
The Saint Gregory Prayer Book is in that stack of books as well.
I just hope you're using the right book at First Contact.
Are the traditional office hymns available in a stand alone hymnal? I didn't know the Puritans hated singing that much.
Lancelot Andrewes Press the closest thing I know to the collection. Because YT is weird about links in comments, I will put the link in a separate comment.
andrewespress.com/john-mason-neale-the-hymnal-noted/
@@dalecaldwell Thanks! Are they Anglican? I'll be adding it to my list of books to get when I can.
@@DrGero15 LAP is Western Orthodox, but the Western Rite is a development of the Scottish/American Anglican prayer book.
@@dalecaldwell Isn't that the 1928?
As a Catholic, I apologize for Vatican ll ruining your angelic liturgy and practices.
Thank you.
Not just my practices: our practices.