Hey Jonathan. Left and out works as it is understandable to everyone. The trick is in getting everyone to use the same words and the most common is LH (in) LHR (out) and RH (in) RHR (out). By naming the door based on the hinges left or right, the rest is pretty simple. But many manufacturers and large companies teach differently. Assa Abloy for instance, one of the larges in entry systems uses this method, whereas Kawneer a large glazing manufacturer doesn't. There also seems to be confusion from those who deal with residential vs commercial doors. Specifically prehung doors. Much like the offset pivots, prehung residential doors are only sound in R or L, and one must figure out which one they need when swinging out. So for them it would be a Right Hand to make it swing out like the one we open in the video. So, the argument continues
A simple solution don’t trust any door sellers possibly wrongfully labeling the door swing, just asked them which side the viewable hinges are on? That will clear up any doubt.
It's definitely a tricky thing with everyone having their own ways. This is where a solid set of shop drawings with a front and top view can really make a big difference.
Real simple, the door he grabbed is a left-hand swing door. Open it up and go in and shut it. Open it up again and come out and shut it. Which hand would he use? “LEFT HAND” using his right hand, would’ve pulled the door knob into his nuts. Or using his right hand from the other side to come out, would’ve walked his nuts right into the door jam.
That is a good way to look at it. Call it based on the hand you would use to easily clear the door, but this gets tricky the second you are going outward as it flips the hand. So we just need to agree that we always label from the outside.
@@LearnGlazing Nothing is simple, and common sense isn't always common. Sometimes there isn't an "outside" either. Take corridors for example, or a door between 2 rooms. There's not always an inside / outside. Adding to "outside", you could say "outside, or the locked side of the door" further encompasses more applications, but still not all. For the few that get left out, it would just have to be a case by case basis, probably by looking at the hardware being installed and determining the egress of the opening. Hinges alone do not indicate swing due to the hardware being installed. Swing is 75% door to frame orientation, and 25% the type of hardware being installed. Just me 2 cents.
I love the more creative format, keep up the good work!
Thank you! This one was a lot of fun to play with.
Awesome video you guys, this will be super helpful for people in the industry!
Thank you! Now we just need everyone to see and adopt it.
So true I've heard so many people say it so many different ways.
It's definitely a problem. And, in this industry, we can be a stubborn bunch.
Just ask what side the viewable hinges are on when ordering a door? Don’t trust
Door swing labeling anymore because too many sellers get it wrong
Great video!! Very informative!! Lol it's true... people will argue for hours on this if you let them haha
For sure, we have been caught in one of these conversations more than a few times. Thank you for watching!
I’m a journeyman and to me I would call that door
“A hinge left swing out”
That’s how I was taught.
Hey Jonathan. Left and out works as it is understandable to everyone. The trick is in getting everyone to use the same words and the most common is LH (in) LHR (out) and RH (in) RHR (out). By naming the door based on the hinges left or right, the rest is pretty simple. But many manufacturers and large companies teach differently. Assa Abloy for instance, one of the larges in entry systems uses this method, whereas Kawneer a large glazing manufacturer doesn't.
There also seems to be confusion from those who deal with residential vs commercial doors. Specifically prehung doors. Much like the offset pivots, prehung residential doors are only sound in R or L, and one must figure out which one they need when swinging out. So for them it would be a Right Hand to make it swing out like the one we open in the video.
So, the argument continues
A simple solution don’t trust any door sellers possibly wrongfully labeling the door swing, just asked them which side the viewable hinges are on? That will clear up any doubt.
It's definitely a tricky thing with everyone having their own ways. This is where a solid set of shop drawings with a front and top view can really make a big difference.
Real simple, the door he grabbed is a left-hand swing door. Open it up and go in and shut it. Open it up again and come out and shut it.
Which hand would he use? “LEFT HAND” using his right hand, would’ve pulled the door knob into his nuts. Or using his right hand from the other side to come out, would’ve walked his nuts right into the door jam.
That is a good way to look at it. Call it based on the hand you would use to easily clear the door, but this gets tricky the second you are going outward as it flips the hand. So we just need to agree that we always label from the outside.
@@LearnGlazing Nothing is simple, and common sense isn't always common. Sometimes there isn't an "outside" either. Take corridors for example, or a door between 2 rooms. There's not always an inside / outside. Adding to "outside", you could say "outside, or the locked side of the door" further encompasses more applications, but still not all. For the few that get left out, it would just have to be a case by case basis, probably by looking at the hardware being installed and determining the egress of the opening. Hinges alone do not indicate swing due to the hardware being installed. Swing is 75% door to frame orientation, and 25% the type of hardware being installed. Just me 2 cents.
Getting more creative now aren't you?
You noticed that did you? HAHA - Yeah, been watching a lot of videos trying to make our content better.