Which Heavy Metal guitarist was the bridge between Ronnie Montrose and Eddie Van Halen? Podcast

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  • @annemulholland6140
    @annemulholland6140 Год назад +1

    Highly recommend this channel. Enjoyable, interesting and educational.
    Takes me back to 70’s chats on music.
    Keep up the good work

  • @jimmycampbell78
    @jimmycampbell78 Год назад +4

    Great to see Martin on your channel again! Great discussion!

    • @NowSpinningMagazine
      @NowSpinningMagazine  Год назад +3

      Thank you - we have another planned already :)

    • @d.nakamura9579
      @d.nakamura9579 Год назад +1

      @@NowSpinningMagazine Martin Popoff’s biopic on Ronnie is really fantastic. It’s an exhaustive account of Montrose and his other great band, Gamma.

    • @d.nakamura9579
      @d.nakamura9579 Год назад +1

      Sweet Evil is Aerosmith with virtuoso guitar playing

  • @reedl2353
    @reedl2353 Год назад +2

    Martin and Phil's contrasting points of view play perfectly off of each other. Very entertaining chat.

  • @wernermoritz882
    @wernermoritz882 11 месяцев назад +1

    Great video! In case you did not know: Not so long ago I found out the Burn riff is a rip off of Fascinating Rhythm by Gershwin. Gene Simmons once pointed it out to Glenn Hughes. I listened to it and habe to admit it is really very similar (more similar in some versions, there are so many versions of all those great Gershwin songs).

  • @d.nakamura9579
    @d.nakamura9579 Год назад +6

    Glad to see Ronnie is remembered

  • @williamwalker146
    @williamwalker146 Год назад +4

    Fascinating discussion that needed to take place and I never would have realized the need for it. I think you make a good case for Derringer, although I think Nugent and Bolin would truly be the two most important Americans bridging the gap between Montrose and VH, although I think Frehley was the foremost American guitarist of heavy music between Montrose and VH, and picks up RIGHT after Montrose implodes, and his peak ends when Van Halen gets started basically.
    Great point by Martin about the Van Halen sound being there a bit on Struck Down as well. I've always thought Yesterday and Today had a very Montrose/Van Halen kind of sound to it.

  • @1970borntorun
    @1970borntorun 4 месяца назад +1

    Just to give Martin a plug, his excellent book on Ronnie Montrose, "Rock the Nation" is a must read for all Ronnie fans! 🎸

  • @teec3557
    @teec3557 Год назад +2

    What made Ronnie unique besides his tone and sound WAS the fact that he tried different things. Love that fact. He could never reproduce the first Montrose album which made the Paper Money album ‘disappointing’ It took me twenty years to reach the point where I listen to Paper Money more than the original

    • @1970borntorun
      @1970borntorun 4 месяца назад +1

      That is all true my friend. The fact that Ronnie always followed his Muse was a great (well, mostly...) and interesting musical road for his fans to follow, but the money spoils from creating commercially successful records was not in the cards for Ronnie.

  • @Baz63
    @Baz63 Год назад +1

    Just glad that Marino and Trower were mentioned.

  • @vbassone
    @vbassone Год назад +3

    You forgot a major guitar force who appears in 1974, Ulrich Roth. His first recorded appearance is with the Scorpions in 1974 on their “Fly to the Rainbow.” You mentioned Michael Schenker with UFO, but not Uli. I understand that UFO was an English band and the Scorpions were German, but Uli was certainly a force worth mentioning!

  • @ericporter1255
    @ericporter1255 8 месяцев назад

    The first song i heard from the first VH album was "Aint Talkin bout Love". I may have had a bit of a buzz on, but the intro to that song layed me out. I knew right then, the musical worm had definitely turned at that point.

  • @TimsVinylConfessions
    @TimsVinylConfessions Год назад +3

    They at least covered "Make it Last" - you can find it on RUclips. Yes, it's possible to find footage of David Lee Roth singing a Sammy Hagar song.

  • @GVarner
    @GVarner Год назад +1

    Doctor Eddie Ganja here Martin love your Books My 3 Favorite Guitar player s Ritchie Blackmore Tony Iommi and Frank Marino Keep Rockin !!!

  • @magnusjarl9575
    @magnusjarl9575 4 месяца назад +1

    Dave Meniketti on the first two Yesterday And Today ,Great player and singer

  • @terrydaktyllus1320
    @terrydaktyllus1320 Год назад +1

    Phil, I know you're a busy man and I love what you're doing already but what about reviewing some obscure albums, like the Charlee one I mentioned?
    Here's a list of some of my favourites:
    1. Clear Blue Sky - Don't Mention Rock 'n' Roll (UK, 2013) - John Simms is just an awesome guitarist and Clear Blue Sky formed back in 1970.
    2. Birth Control - Hoodoo Man (Germany, 1972) - contains the original version of "Gamma Ray" that Kai Hansen named his post-Helloween band after and covered the song!
    3. Aldenfield - Light Of Day (USA, 2017) - formed by Howard Helm from Zon.
    4. Peter Panka's Jane - Kuxan Suum (Germany, 2011) - another band going since 1970 under various line-ups.
    5. Anyone's Daughter - Adonis (Germany, 1979) - great melodic prog rock.
    6. Nektar - A Tab In The Ocean (UK/Germany, 1972) - this should be in every rock fan's collection.
    7. Eloy - Silent Cries And Mighty Echoes (Germany, 1979) - so many good albums, they played The Marquee in London in 1984 and I got to see them, plus two times since in Germany.
    8. Captain Beyond - S/T (USA, 1972) - Rod Evans from Deep Purple with the classic Mesmerisation Eclipse track...
    9. Zoser Mez - Vizier Of Wasteland (Denmark, 1991) - ...and covered spectacularly by Michael Denner and Hank Shermann from Mercyful Fate.
    10. T-Ride - S/T (USA, 1992) - the greatest band you've never heard of, a cross between Queen and Van Halen.

  • @pgreed100
    @pgreed100 Год назад +1

    Phil and Martin, you make for great discussion, playing off each other like duelling lead guitarists. Best wishes, Paul

    • @NowSpinningMagazine
      @NowSpinningMagazine  Год назад

      Hi Paul, thank you for watching, it was a lot of fun doing this - Phil :)

  • @terrydaktyllus1320
    @terrydaktyllus1320 Год назад +2

    Check out Walter Rossi on the 1972 S/T album "Charlee" - he also did some solo albums afterwards through to 1976, definitely an influence.

    • @garyh.238
      @garyh.238 Год назад

      Yes Walter Rossi was an excellent guitarist. His Malaguena is amazing.

  • @kenfrederick6223
    @kenfrederick6223 Год назад +4

    Great conversation! Ted Nugent remains one of the most famous U.S. guitarists of that era. Nice to hear Frank Marino and Robin Trower mentioned as they are both very underrated. Take care!

    • @garyh.238
      @garyh.238 Год назад +1

      Agreed Frank was hugely underrated.

    • @andyfidandis1258
      @andyfidandis1258 Год назад

      I agree.... it was Ted Nugent that spanned the two.
      Loved Trower and Marino too.

  • @thomaswery3087
    @thomaswery3087 Год назад +2

    exellent discussion guys

  • @rumpoleonthehilloldchap
    @rumpoleonthehilloldchap 12 дней назад +1

    derringer live 76 77 has finger tapping solos. Boston's first lp has finger tapping solos as well. before vh 1.
    blackmore was doing sweep shred in 69.

  • @garyh.238
    @garyh.238 Год назад +5

    I enjoyed this discussion very much. On the matter of a link between Montrose and Van Halen, I was thinking that perhaps TOMMY BOLIN (Zephyr, Energy, The James Gang, Billy Cobham's Spectrum album, Alphonse Mouzon's Mind Transplant album, work on Moxy's debut, solo work, and as Ritchie Blackmore's ill-fated replacement in Deep Purple) could also be considered as an important American guitarist, and who may have had some influence on Van Halen. As I understand it, even Jeff Beck's move towards fusion was apparently inspired by Tommy Bolin's work with Cobham et al.
    And to expand on this topic somewhat, I have seen it written that Ritchie Blackmore could be considered the "missing link" between Jimi Hendrix and Eddie Van Halen. Blackmore in his peak in the 1970's was an incredible guitar technician with few peers (notable exception being Jeff Beck), and was also an important guitar hero (de facto leader of Deep Purple, and leader of Rainbow). He is also said to have been an influence on Van Halen (as well as later shredders such as Randy Rhoads, Yngwie Malmsteen, et al).
    With respect to Eddie Van Halen's Eruption from 1978; for an interesting exercise have a listen to the similarities in the guitar solo pyrotechnics which Blackmore did in the middle portion of "You Fool No One" from Deep Purple's Made in Europe album (recorded Spring 1975). Blackmore's solo pre-dated Eddie's Eruption by a full 3 years. The lighting fast runs, dive bombs, whammy bar abuse, etc in both those solos do have some sonic parallels...at least to my ears they do. The main difference is Blackmore was using fast alternate picking, sweep picking, etc whereas Eddie was employing tapping. Though Eddie is universally lauded for that particular solo / studio album track; many people might not be aware that Blackmore was doing basically the same thing several years before Eddie did, but in a live context.
    Thank you for a very interesting and stimulating topic.

    • @NowSpinningMagazine
      @NowSpinningMagazine  Год назад +2

      Hi Gary, thank you for watching and your insights. Our musical tastes are very similar! I was trying to keep the conversation on USA guitarists during this period if I had included UK players then Ritchie Blackmore’s solo in You Fool No One would have been top of the list. The best version for me is the one from Live In London. Your other suggestion of Tommy Bolin is also inspired. The Mind Transplant is one of my favourite albums featuring Bolin. My top guitarists are 1. Ritchie Blackmore 2. Paul
      Kossoff, 3. Ronnie Montrose, 4. Tommy Bolin, 5, Derek Trucks, 6. Jeff Beck, 7. Leslie West, 8. Lee Retinour 9, Eddie Van Halen, 10, Rick Derringer ( the 6-10) positions change all the time, it could be Santana, Clapton, Iommi, next week!

    • @garyh.238
      @garyh.238 Год назад +1

      @@NowSpinningMagazine Hi Phil, yes it seems so! And Ritchie Blackmore appears to be etched in stone as our permanent #1. Yes I like that Live in London version of You Fool No One a lot too. Another good performance of it was at California Jam.
      For top guitarists, my list is: #1=Ritchie Blackmore; #2=Jeff Beck; #3=Joe Satriani; #4=Tommy Bolin; #5=Billy Gibbons; and like you, the next bunch can change from time to time but right now are: #6=Gary Moore; #7=David Gilmour; #8=Joe Walsh; #9=Robin Trower; #10=George Lynch. Others who frequent the list are Tony Iommi; Eddie Van Halen; Bill Connors; Al Di Meola; Frank Marino; Terry Kath; et al.

    • @NowSpinningMagazine
      @NowSpinningMagazine  Год назад +1

      I like all of those players as well! Some great choices:)

    • @terrydaktyllus1320
      @terrydaktyllus1320 Год назад +1

      @@garyh.238 If we're doing a top ten guitarists (as someone who isn't himself a guitarist so is judging purely on what I enjoy, rather than technical merit or expertise):
      1. Ronnie Montrose
      2. Michael Schenker
      3. Stevie Ray Vaughan
      4. George Thorogood
      5. Ian Crichton (Saga)
      6. Mick Box (Uriah Heep)
      7. Tonny Iommi
      8. Albert King
      9. Jimmy Page
      10. John Simms (Clear Blue Sky)
      This could change next week and I love all your guitarists too - George Lynch I know least about because I've only heard him on the first few Dokken albums.

    • @jimmycampbell78
      @jimmycampbell78 Год назад +2

      When talking about 70s guitar heroes, I have to mention Rory Gallagher. He was unsung and underrated but to me he is ‘the guy’ between Hendrix and Van Halen. There are many candidates here, and everyone will have their personal preferences.

  • @ericdinse5047
    @ericdinse5047 Год назад +1

    Gotta agree with Martin on this. Rick Derringer was an established player / producer / etc before Ronnie Montrose & was more seen as an all around rocker & not a huge guitar hero.

  • @svbarr
    @svbarr 9 месяцев назад

    Very astute -- the boys in Thin Lizzy had a pretty amazing sound. I was gonna say Leslie West -- but Mountain started in the 60's

  • @derekclacton
    @derekclacton Год назад +1

    48:39 Great observation, Phil - the production was incredibly intimate for a hard rock / heavy metal album.

    • @garymartin1045
      @garymartin1045 Месяц назад

      @@derekclacton What do you mean?
      Ted Nugent was as good as anybody out there.

  • @kevintynan796
    @kevintynan796 Год назад +1

    Great show Phil, I saw Van Halen when they opened for Black Sabbath in Coventry 1979. Geoff Barton of Sounds had written a glowing review of their debut album so id bought it before the concert. It was my third time seeing Sabbath and I definitely had the feeling their star was descending, while Van Halen were on the way up. You are such a gentleman regarding Ted Nugent Phil. While you suggested we English didn’t take him seriously, I just thought he was a wanker.

  • @marvinmartin3438
    @marvinmartin3438 Год назад +3

    Montose is a guitar hero in the truest sense of the word. You'll never appreciate his abilities to the fullest until you've heard his instrumental recordings. His Speed of Sound release is my favorite rock guitar instrumental album of all time. Just sayin

    • @NowSpinningMagazine
      @NowSpinningMagazine  Год назад +2

      Zero G from Speed of Sound is the most perfect guitar instrumental, it also has the perfect tone as well :)

    • @marvinmartin3438
      @marvinmartin3438 Год назад +1

      @@NowSpinningMagazine Yes. If I'm not mistaken he played through a Marshall combo amp that the studio had. I believe Ronnie's use of solid state amps on his other recordings was a bad career move.. Just sayin

  • @Makepeacewithyourself
    @Makepeacewithyourself Год назад +1

    It's rather funny you showed the Aerosmith Get your Wings album,just heard a interview with Steve Hunter about how Steve and Dick Wagner are the ones who played the lead Guitars on Train kept a Rollin now those two guys don't get mentioned enough .I found Ronnie Montrose to be one of my favorite guitarists and bought up everything I could find by him up and the same with Rick Derringer .If you read about who was Eddie's hero it was Eric Clapton.I find it amazing the connection with Ted Templeman producing the first Montrose album and the first Van Halen album with both bands at Warner Brothers records.Eddie's style was a little different from Ronnie's but both bands first albums went in the same direction Hard Drivin' Rock n roll.

    • @NowSpinningMagazine
      @NowSpinningMagazine  Год назад +1

      Hi Brandan, thank you for watching and sharing your thoughts. Ronnie is in my top five guitar players with Ritchie Blackmore, Paul Kossoff, Tommy Bolin and Derek Trucks - Phil

  • @antonysandersonfromenglandshef
    @antonysandersonfromenglandshef Год назад +1

    Nice I like your videos

  • @vbassone
    @vbassone Год назад +1

    No mention of Uli Roth. That’s a real oversight.

    • @NowSpinningMagazine
      @NowSpinningMagazine  Год назад +2

      Good call, the conversation was focused on guitarists from the USA, but I agree Uli is a superb player. Phil

    • @vbassone
      @vbassone Год назад +1

      @@NowSpinningMagazine Hi Phil! How are you my friend? Actually, I wasn't entirely accurate in my comment Phil. Martin did mention Virgin Killer.

    • @NowSpinningMagazine
      @NowSpinningMagazine  Год назад

      That's ok, there were so many guitarists mentioned it was hard to keep up! Phil :)

  • @TELarkin61
    @TELarkin61 7 месяцев назад

    I went down that road as well, but for me, in between Ronnie and Eddie was Ted Negent, Pat Travers and Robin Trower.

  • @FuturePast2019
    @FuturePast2019 Год назад +1

    Machine Head... because Ritchie didn't want Blind Man on the album.(That's where Aerosmith and Montrose...)
    Guitar solo... The guitar solo that starts Deep Purple in Rock was deleted in the US. (also the organ intro)

  • @elbib2446
    @elbib2446 Год назад +3

    ive played guitar for years,the problem with nugent,ill pass over the politics,as many who dug him didnt know,as he didnt tend to voice these opinions early days,is that he was never as good as he thought he was,though im sure it was all part of the showmanship.though he did have some good riffs,buck dharma is a very under rated player

  • @patrickmichels7888
    @patrickmichels7888 Год назад

    You forgot to mention that Rick replaced montrose when he left the Edgar winter band

  • @pulsarlights2825
    @pulsarlights2825 Год назад +4

    Ritchie Blackmore?

    • @garyh.238
      @garyh.238 Год назад

      Agreed. Ritchie was definitely in the mix of influences on EVH.

  • @robertholmes7467
    @robertholmes7467 Год назад +1

    Ted Templeman the producer could be a part of the discussion. Sorry late to the video...

    • @NowSpinningMagazine
      @NowSpinningMagazine  Год назад

      Hi Robert, I would love to do a video on Ted Templeman - he has helped create some fantastic albums. Phil

  • @elbib2446
    @elbib2446 Год назад +1

    alex lifeson was highly rated,around the all the worlds a stage,2112,farewell to kings,hemispheres period as a heavy rock guitar hero,which sort of waned,as rush changed direction,randy rhoads is now seen as a guitar god,but when i saw him with ozzy in glasgow,everyone thought, this guys pretty good,but he wasnt really rated as a guitar hero,in the vein of say michael shenker

  • @marvinmartin3438
    @marvinmartin3438 Год назад +1

    Rick Derringer's All American Boy release is a stunning example of great songs, playing and sounds. It's a perfect rock/pop guitar album to me. Rick Derringer is also one of the best blues guitar players on the planet. Just sayin

  • @d.nakamura9579
    @d.nakamura9579 Год назад +2

    Definitely a case for Derringer as the bridge. And he’s the only player to be featured on a Steely Dan album, which is a huge deal in guitar circles.

    • @garyh.238
      @garyh.238 Год назад

      Jeff Skunk Baxter was with Steely Dan before heading over to the Doobie Brothers. Great guitarist!

  • @tonykeating1927
    @tonykeating1927 Год назад +1

    Rory Gallagher Alvin Lee Johnny Winter Al Di Meola Andy Latimer Paul Kossoff Gary Moore

  • @danzarkovic7634
    @danzarkovic7634 Год назад

    The three Canadians
    Pat Travers
    Frankie Marino
    Ric Emmitt

  • @elbib2446
    @elbib2446 Год назад +3

    frank marino

    • @garyh.238
      @garyh.238 Год назад

      Excellent guitarist!

  • @marvinmartin3438
    @marvinmartin3438 Год назад +1

    I'd place Queen's debut album right up there with Montrose and Van Halen. Just sayin

  • @patrickmichels7888
    @patrickmichels7888 Год назад

    Hendrix - Blackmore - Van Halen. Ritchie is the missing link

  • @andyfidandis1258
    @andyfidandis1258 Год назад +1

    Without a doubt it was Ted Nugent.
    In fact we went to see Ted Nugent and the opening act was Van Halen. We thought what a dumb name then Van Halen hit the stage and we were all brown away.
    There were lots of great guitarist and bands then but it was Ted who did it...not RIck Derringer at all. Barely a blip on the radar screen.

    • @NowSpinningMagazine
      @NowSpinningMagazine  Год назад

      Hi Andy, There is just something about Rick Derringer for me, so I always do my best to sing his praises. I must admit I was a huge Ted Nugent fan in the 70s. The first album sort of passed me by but Free For All was the one that provided the spark. I bought Dog Eat Dog on a single and then the album. Tracks like Writing on The Wall which followed the groove of Stranglehold was and just stunning. Infact it was only the title track I was not keen on. It is still my fave Ted album. Double Live Gonzo is one of the best live albums from the period. Weekend Warriors was the last great Ted album for me although I do have several others. I was also a fan of the albums he did with Brian Howe on vocals. Phil

  • @marvinmartin3438
    @marvinmartin3438 Год назад +1

    Love Montrose and Van halen but Schenkers solos surpassed both in terms of speed and melody. Just sayin

    • @terrydaktyllus1320
      @terrydaktyllus1320 Год назад

      I like all three - if I had to pick one then it would have to be Ronnie as the only one to bring tears of joy to my eyes the first time I played the Montrose debut album back around 1979. Having said that, Michael Schenker stood on one side of the stage at Reading Rock 1982 with just one spotlight trained on him and the rest of the stage dark doing the beginning solo bit to "Lost Horizons" was pretty fecking awe-inspiring too.

  • @cjg8604
    @cjg8604 Год назад

    Tony iommi was more than a bridge but did do some great work between 73-78

  • @elbib2446
    @elbib2446 Год назад +1

    paul chapman was better with lone star.i saw vh supporting sabbath,aberdeen,never say die tour.vh were a lean,mean killing machine.lot of support bands at metal shows then,could get a hard time.when dlr started talking,some people were like whose the arrogant american guy,but once they got going,the crowd were astonished,especially by the guitar player,they blew the roof off,and dudes were fighting at the stall in the foyer ,half time,trying to buy van halen debut,they sold out.did they blow sabbath off,well not really,they went down extremely well,and jumped in status in uk metalheads minds overnight,you knew there was no way you would see these guys as support again,but sabbath did their thing,and went down just as well,as their crowd were diehard,but vh were the slicker band,strangely vh didnt tour again much in the uk

  • @elbib2446
    @elbib2446 Год назад +1

    led zeppelin was a high magick,perfect chemistry,manifestation,a extremely powerful magikal working.sustaining that energy,creativiity,power over numerous albums is very hard work.i agree jimmy page has tried,but ultimately failed to find that magikal chemistry again,even with big guys like coverdale,which wasnt bad,or paul rodgers,patchy,best things hes done since zep,are the occasional thing with robert plant,the egyptian orchestra thing was great,though jpj should have been there too,saying that walking into clarksdale wasnt great,in fact i dont really like it