Dual Xeon Platinums - For Less Than $1K! Amazon's E-Waste!
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Not something I'd ever need, but I still enjoy listening to you explain cool tech. Thanks you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
This is gonna be my new gaming rig.
@@Pineapple-co6fe Few games can take advantage of it to be honest, Better to go single cpu socket, faster ram speeds higher bandwidth improved buses across the board with a new CPU socket and chipset. If you said you do occasional rendering or data intensive analytics then the server board would be a good added option to a computing space. These days a Ryzen 5 mid range mainboard 150-200 bucks with a recent GPU last 3 years you'll kill this server setup in game performance by double digits. Support AMD only way to force Intel to get their act together, It's not just about Intels performance it's the business practices that need to evolve.
@@Level1Techs Is there a list some where of these "off roadmap" cpus for other generations? I know about the Ivy Bridge "Black Ops" CPU. Are there Any LGA 2011-3? or any other cool or interesting things out there?
@@Pineapple-co6fe so, how it woks?
Wendell, you've become one of my absolute favorite youtubers after transitioning from just gaming to homelabbing. I always look forward to new videos from you guys and the news podcasts!
Wendell and Serve the homeand Ian Cutris are 3 of the few real experts that are actually qualified to give advice. Most youtubers couldn't get a job working at geek squad.
excited box Patrick from serve the home?
This is exactly why I love all you do Wendell. No other tech youtuber is watching on eBay and keeping track of surplus server stuff like you.
the MOST IMPORTANT question is, where do we get our hands on this "e-waste"??
@iTheGeek Where???
iTheGeek it is? I just watched it but didn’t catch a link
@iTheGeek would it kill you to tag the specific minute of the video?
@@P0PC47 EBAY🤦🏾
@iTheGeek Seriously
I was about to buy a couple 8180s but the $5.17 shipping was a deal-breaker..
+deinemuddaisdoof Well, that's just a rip-off!
Threadripper is still cheaper (for example even like 2 years ago or more you could get TR-1950x with 16c/32t for $499 new, and of course the motherboards weren’t too bad, and mine even with a wimpy 120mm AIO (that I paid $24 for) I was able to get 4.15-4.2 GHz all core on mine).
I’m not sure what the thrill of getting overpriced obsolete hardware with no upgrade path is, because it’s still overpriced even when it’s this discounted (it’s like a million dollar cookie on sale for $100, it’s still a ripoff...)
That's how these tyrants rake in the money. SCAM!
@@jakegarrett8109 I think it's mainly for enthusiasts that why you don't get it.
I myself buy outdated tech all the time just to have to tinker with it.
@@phillip_iv_planetking6354 This isn't even good value for old tech though. Ex: For a mint in sealed box Fire-GL V8650, the most powerful Terra-scale card made as well as the first 2 GB card thanks to 32 chips of GDDR4 coating the front and back, was $40 for me. Excellent price on retro stuff if you wanted to play with it (but not these crappy Xeons, there are other great Xeons for that, I'd probably do quad socket as that seems more fun, just like my quad crossfire on my main machine). I've got older stuff up to my Titan Xp Star Wars edition. I love tech new and old, and benching them to new records is to me more fun than gaming (I got an excellent deal on a phase cooler and I use it a lot! Especially since its way cheaper than LN2, because LN2 prices are extremely over-priced where I'm at, but thankfully Dry Ice is pretty cheap for testing).
I just don't see these Xeons as any value, too expensive to play with, and its value sucks, and its not retro... It doesn't meet any requirements I can see.
Wendell saying the quiet part out loud with Off Road Map CPUs that everyone already assumed Intel was doing behind closed doors.
i don't need more hardware, i don't need more hardware, i don't need more... ohhhh ! It's cheap ! And i need a neew cluster to try kub ...
Arf ...
Kubernetes?!
i thought epyc was the name of the game! i know my v2/v3 xeons don't have enough lanes
Using a Threadripper torque screwdriver to install Xeons? Heresy!
Well AMD does like to put the pressure on Intel right now.
Just another case of AMD putting the screws to Intel.
Did Intel just get screwed X)
@@backupplan6058 in enterprise servers like this, Intel still owns AMD in every section
@@backupplan6058 Ouch! :D
I just thought about selling my overpowered dual Xeon setup ...
and here you are trying to get me hooked again! Bad Wendell!
02:50 i love the new lighting in the background and the general improvement of your quality! no longer the basement "dude"... but the Engineer expert style. like them both...but this is now reaching more viewers. 😎
Great explaination! I always wondered how the big companys were able to buy a ton of 10k processors.
What will be great is when Amazon, or any other company really, finally goes to Epic new gen and dumps all of the processors and boxes onto the web, maybe even ddr4 if ddr5 is out by then.
They will most likely just license arm chips and make their own processors or even asics.
@@mehmeh1999 ARM Alternatives need to rewrite your whole software stack, instead of just validating hardware and making some optimizations. ASICS or FPGAs are pretty limited if you expect to run anything besides one narrow workflow ever, while x86 can run a huge variety of stuff.
While in the five to ten year timeframe Risc-V and specialized accelerators will take over some workloads and applications, I suspect we'll see more Epyc adoption before those alternatives are able to take their foothold.
@@daniellewis1789 depends on your stack. We run a lot of Java, a lot of lambda, you can run Redis, mariadb, all sorts of fairly standard software.
The biggest problem is performance, especially for something like a centralised db host, but that's about to change.
It's starting to happen now, workstation machines of this generation are being dumped on eBay for fairly cheap.
~4 years ago I built a workstation system with dual E5-2686v3 18 core chips, also Amazon chips. Did a turbo mod to make it run 3ghz all core. Anyway, bought the CPU's for 350 each. Great content as always Wendell!
I bought a 2650Lv3 for $7 last week :) they're getting so cheap.
$80 ali express special mobo, and i'm set.
Great video. Thanks for sharing. Now, just looking forward to the benchmarking! :)
Screws intel cooler with amd screwdriver.
Nice
So in a way, AMD is screwing Intel.
The little “wooh” during a random transition is what I live for. Thank you
Just scored one of these processors for $230. Going to run it in the ASRACK mini itx. Beast for the money!!!!
If you suggest some cheap server chassis / barebone systems to go with this socket, that would make my day! :) ... almost pulled the trigger on a R730, but now I'm wondering if I should explore this ..
I bought a DL350P off eBay for £120 including delivery. Those suckers can take up to ~768GB and can fit the E5-2670 v2 in dual config for 20 cores and 40 threads :3
If you're willing to rinse your electricity bill you can go even higher on the platform.
If you run the proper duct work you can use the server to heat your home. LOL
Run prime95 and yeah!! The calefactions is now just a joke
Wow, thanks YT. I got an ad 5 seconds before the end of the video.
I got one at the end and another right in the middle of the oh so satisfying RAM install clicking. Made me sad.
I can see the yellow dot in the distance. Thanks for the warning.
All else being the same, I would probably be running Threadripper if I built today, but I’m still happily humming along with a pair of E5-2667v2’s and 128GB of dirt cheap ECC DDR3 RAM. All inside a sub-20L case I can fit inside my carry-on!
wow will this work with the Asrock EPC621D6I? Always fancied an ITX platform with high core density
Any idea on if this works in a Dell T7820? I noticed the 81** processors working in this chassis I have, but wanted to upgrade. Advise would be appreciated.
hmmm... something to consider is you can get a workstation chassis with an 8 core for about $500. now i just need the decoder ring to see if these 1 offs are compatible with e5-2630 v3. i think i can use v4 after a bios update.
Ugh, and I just got all my nodes on Haswell. Thanks for the vid Wendell.
These offmap CPUs always seem better somehow than their on-map siblings like the Facebook E5-2678V3 with the DDR3 controller.
I'm assuming because they're not officially supported there's less potential buyers for these CPUs.
@@TheAnoniemo With these CPUs being fairly undocumented they tend to be priced lower on the used market which means they can be a bargain for a time until word gets out. Motherboard support seems ok as they tend to use the same platforms as their siblings. The E5-2678V3 I mentioned above has a DDR3 controller in addition to the DDR4 controller unlike the on-map E5-2680V3 which is DDR4 only, because Facebook was afraid of DDR4 shortages at the time.
@@drivingmemad7127 Yep, I game on my 2678v3 with dirt cheap DDR3 ECC RAM, I love it so much.
Does this work in the Asus Dominus Extreme? I need a low-cost CPU that I can test in this board.
Is that board still blinking, while you are putting in the nic?
Nice. What’s a good silent desktop configuration? I am getting into cyber security and enjoy PCs.
How do you get those "E-waste CPU's"? Ebay only?
@Level1Techs
Why do you think 3647's days are numbered? What would replace the it?
maybe you did it off camera, but did you install the coolers without any thermal paste?
hey if I want to build a machine learning machine, and in the market for high core count and high base-clock speed 1u server to get would be? I would ideally want to be running physics simulations at 1000x realtime and also train a neural network alongside the simulation!
Have you run any benchmarking / test on these 8124m?
Can you post any results if you still have this config ?
Old server CPUs are awesome! If you don't mind having older hardware, we're going to have a lot of these options on eBay in a few years.
Coming in to let you know you can get a 20-core Xeon Gold for about a hundo now on eBay. Motherboards still pricey of course, but the processors are cheap.
@@Dreams_Of_Lavender Which ones (if still available). I'm not seeing anything quite that good.
@@nickmeyer208 they got even cheaper, lol. The Xeon Gold 6138! Base frequency of 2GHz, max boost of 3.7GHz, 20 cores, and now available for less than $50!
where is it possible to buy some of them ?
I put an off road 28 core Xeon 8173M into a mATX supermicro motherboard and a Sliger case, and use it as a compact, silent workstation.
5:53 Buying amazon e-waste on ebay...just priceless :D
Did you use thermal compound or similar?
Thinking how to put a 1U server in ym apartment. Could bolt on some legs and use it as a coffee table in front of the couch. Or just vertically wall mount it in the hallway, the noise won't annoy anyone then.
IKEA lackrack
Where is the best place to pick something like this up ?
Is there a website you can buy this Amazon e-waste at?
Will a asus ws c621e sage MB work with this CPU?
How can i get those for the same price?
Sooo where does one actually find this amazon e waste?
What server model did you install that in? Can you include the server specs, please?
l1t: it's gonna take me a second to explain.
also l1t: takes much longer than a second to explain.
Asus have some nice dual 3647 workstation boards that supports normal ATX power supply. Maybe you can benchmark workstation/gaming on those used 3647 Xeon on one of those boards?
do you think it's possible to source a single cpu board?
I always buy these off roadmap chips, they are often great value.
I use my HPE DL380 Gen 9 as a desktop, though it does server tasks with Windows Server. I don’t think its as loud as one might think. When I use it for my regular tasks such as MS Office, Web activity or AutoCAD it is about as noisy as the AC in the window of that room. When I use it for something intense such as gaming(@HD60) it is about as noisy as my vacuum cleaner. I feel like I need to be concerned with hardware compatibility(there are no molex or SATA power dongles), especially physical size. In my opinion it is the heat that I need to be most careful about because it just sits on a shelf, not in a rack with dedicated cooling. That is one of the reasons I installed an Nvidia P4000. That GPU is very cool, and its on the compatibility list of both HPE and AutoDesk.
Will this work with a Dell PowerEdge 740XD?
what do people use these revers for at home. i dont get it. 13900k 8 core plus 16. that should be more than enough. even the older 8 core chips.
Which barebone did you use?
A cheap way to get into AVX512, too. Wish I was in the market for some.
Where can i buy these amazon servers ?
where can I acquire such, give link to amazon plsss
Where can I buy these second hand cpu?? I'm a layman, not in it industry but love building co computers
So gigabyte resells quanta? Or does quanta get their server boards from gigabyte?
so where does one go to buy such hardware?
What's the ballpark build cost on this server with ~256G memory? Around $2500?
What's the best deal for this socket now?
Hearing the Sound of installing RAM sounds so nice
Where did you buy it?
Hope you're running datacenter edition, to utilise all the cores and ram! Unlike in Threadripper review..
Since these are not listed on Intel, how do we know if a specific motherboard will support these CPUs? What Gigabyte board are you using? One would think the chipset on any board would work no?
Fair to assume that if you have a processor of roughly the same socket / generation. It's a drop in replacement. Because that's exactly what amazon is doing.
For any home users, look into engineering samples if you want a nice Intel scalable CPU for cheap. Don't use a Skylake scalable ES, as they're limited to ~1.8Ghz (iirc) and also have virtualization issues. But the Cascade Lake ES chips are still super cheap and have zero virtualization issues. The Skylake ES chips are suitable for a workstation rig though, and you can get a 20 core 40 thread Gold 6138 for only about £120. Or alternatively you can grab a 12 core 6136 for about £60. This means you could grab a 40 core system for
If you can afford the whole platform, board, RAM etc then yes its a great buy them but if you are in budget Xeons V3 still rock the price/performance. If DDR3 ECC RAM is good enough for your work then you can save a ton of money.
would a engineering sample optane module work on it ?
These chips are being sold as QS (aka samples) so I assume there may be a risk with this. Personally I managed to pick up a dual EPYC setup with 64 cores (128 thread) for much much less than this setup, so I find the Intel Platinum hard to justify. Is there a specific reason you went for this over EPYC?
How did you go about finding your server, trying to buy one for a new home
I very want know in what place get this server and price, looks OEM by GIGABYTE.
That AMD screwdriver sure is putting pressure on those Intel chips.
Did you clip the CPUs in right, they will probably drop on the pins when you remove them if you don't.
Seems the Mobos all top out at TDP=205 Watts...shy of he 240 Watt rating of the chip. How big of an issue for CPU ntensive apps?
www.gigabyte.com/us/Rack-Server/R181-2A0-rev-100#ov
Where do you get these?
I wonder if you can build a monster gaming comp using that server cpu and mother board as a base
Really good video Wendell! Even though your CPU mounting method isn't exactly Intel certified :P Thumbs up though!
Need some of that "e-waste". Must say you got a flair for these things.
Nice but what bout energy comsumption?
How loud is it?
Got any tips of used enterprise gear someone can get for 100 bucks and edit 4k footage?
I made some poor decisions in my life and that cought up leaving me broke and using an I5 2500k to do rendering.
At that price point you need a specific basic that decodes video.. an old GPU form amd or nvidia cuda/vulkan software support might help? 4k resolution at which codec?
@@kitecattestecke2303 Usually I work with DNxHD intermediate files and encodes on handbrake using x264 an x265.
GPU decoding helped a lot, but it's still not enough. Some plugins don't work well with it.
Xeon 2678v3 + DRR3 ECC RAM
@@cayo2588 that's the one you can lock the turbo right?
That actuality might work. I found a cheap x99 motherboard near my home.
I have upgraded my home computers to xeon 2650 v2 for $50 per xeon. I love them. They are beasts compared to a dual core cpu.
how do you get hands on those delicious e wastes?
Just priced out a system with one of these, ASRock EPC621D8A, SuperMicro CSE-825TQ-563LPB, 32GB Crucial ECC DDR4 and 8 x 1TB WD Blue SSD's and it came out to less than $2500.00...
How do you cool such a big tdp cpu using such a small cooler? Is the airflow from the chasus fans mega? Or does the chadis itself life in a climate controlled box?
if you ever stand next to a server... the fans are so loud you have to shout
But can it play flight simulator?
Do the Chinese have cheap boards for this one ?
That Threadripper torque screwdriver though... Intel must feel betrayed lol...
6:25 and you said it right as I was thinking it too :D
Where to buy these cpus?
Why use intel for your new server though?
Just built a azure based server for work with the new 64 core epyc for about a quarter of the total price while being much faster
Can you share your specs I am trying to build a home server.
Do ATX LGA 3647 socket motherboards exist?
Take a look at MU71-SU0 from Gigabyte.
How is this supposed to be a deal ? This gets outperformed by a single 3950x at 1/4 power consumption. while costing less
a 3950x is limited by the amount of ram you can use, Dual Socket Servers with tons of cores/threads are generally used for Virtual Machines or containers, so that they can perform the tasks of many different machines. Another user made a comment about Threadripper and overclocking it, which is more relevant. I am not saying you could not build a 3950x server because you absolutely could so long as it RAM limit (and PCIe lane limit) will not hinder your plans for the server. The 3950x supports up to 128GB ram, which might sound like a lot but its really not, if you gave each vm only 8GB you would be able to support 16 VMs, and if you gave each vm 16gb then you can support only 8 VMs
SoloSaga 3950x has pcie 4 and the xeon has pcie 3. So bandwidth of the xeon is half of 3950x. So it dosent matter if xeon has double the lanes, the pcie 4 makes up for it.
Very True, but there is also the maximum memory to consider, for anyone else trying to make the comparison here is the detailed difference: ryzen 3950x (128gb 4x32gb) 24 PCIe 4.0 lanes, threadripper 1950x/2950x (256gb 8x32gb) 64 PCIe 3.0 lanes, xeon platinum 8124m (768gb 24x32gb) 48 PCIe 3.0 lanes. Also you can technically get 64gb dimms for the xeon platinum, doubling your RAM capacity but it triples the ram cost. The new Threadripper 3970x (256gb 8x32gb) 64 PCIe 4.0 lanes, looks good but still cannot handle anywhere near as much ram as wendels xeon platinum 8124m system, and when you consider a 3970x is $2k each then for $500 each for the 8124m you can start to see the value in his decision, that xeon system will absolutely use a lot more electricity over time than a Threadripper 3970x would so that would also be something to consider. Assuming you didnt need the additional ram that the xeon 8124m provides then building a system with Threadripper 3970x would cost more initially but may eclipse the xeon after a few years in money saved from power usage(do your own homework on this please, the TDP supports my claim but there are other factors such as power cost in your area). xeon 8124m 480TDP (240 watt TDP x 2) versus Threadripper 3970x at 280 TDP, a single 3970x outperforms two xeon 8124m cpus in raw performance, and at roughly half the power consumption. More Ram means you can support more VMs, so if VMs/containers is what you are doing with your server then even though the xeon consumes more power you will actually save power because the system is able to support soooooo many more VMs, you really have to consider all factors and the most important question is what do you intend to do with the server. If you are supporting VMs or Containers then only xeon or EPYC really makes much sense because you will need lots of RAM.
how to buy that
Minecraft Bunggeecord server possible?
some benchmarks?
I might be remembering that wrong, but for that socket, you stick the CPU to the heatsink via bracket first, and then install it into the socket, not the traditional way.
that is technically correct. however I've done it so many times, this is how I do it. The other way is faster to do once you're used to it but I prefer this way because I can wiggle the cpu in the socket a bit to make sure its sitting in there properly.
Great video. Where can Ifind this CPU in ebay? Can anyone help me?
Well , now, 3 years later , 18 cores dont sound like that much anymore , but old Xenos still have a usecase , i just bought an 2680v4 ( Socket 2011v3 ) 14 Core with 128 GB DDR4 2133 Ecc reg RAM and a china X99 /C612 ATX Mobo for ~ 230 Dollar all together as a Kit on Aliexpress because i wanted the 40 3.0 PCie Lanes and the RAM for my TrueNAS NAS . ECC works , Bifurcation works , i have now a 4 x 4 TB NVME Z1 in my NAS . The 2680v4 had a price of 1900 Dollar in 2016 and is sold for ~ 20 - 25 Dollar now
yess, I was gonna buy a 2699v4 but then I saw the 2680v4 for $20. great decision
a year later nearly to the day and I'm buying used workstation threadripper parts . got a whole 1900x,cooler ,mobo rig minus ram and storage for 420$CAD. I have 32 gb board on another I can split and 128gb drive on the shelf . who needs a case? who needs to use 4 memory channels ? those are premium features.
Where can I go to buy these please...?
Ebay