2024 Honda CB650R E Clutch - First Ride Review

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  • Опубликовано: 5 янв 2025

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  • @onecookieboy
    @onecookieboy 8 месяцев назад +113

    I have a friend who had Polio as a child and he lost the use of his left hand, he rigged up his Guzzi to have the brake and clutch both on the right side, if this had been around 20 years ago I'm sure he would have been first in line for one. Well done Honda, making motorcycles more accessible for more people.

    • @chrishart8548
      @chrishart8548 8 месяцев назад +4

      Honda did have the cb400A in the 1970's they were always trying to offer automatic bikes when none of the others bothered

    • @michaelmclarney1994
      @michaelmclarney1994 8 месяцев назад +3

      It's a system that may benefit me in a few years if the arthritis spreads throughout my fingers. Great work Honda!

    • @RyGuyTheAVGuy
      @RyGuyTheAVGuy 8 месяцев назад

      Polio has been cured for 100 years now, what are you talking about?

    • @jb_buri
      @jb_buri 8 месяцев назад

      @@RyGuyTheAVGuy rubbish.....

    • @onecookieboy
      @onecookieboy 8 месяцев назад +2

      @@RyGuyTheAVGuy This is New Zealand and my friend is now in his late 70's, so perhaps not as 'cured 100 years ago' as you think.

  • @garryclarke-kray4071
    @garryclarke-kray4071 8 месяцев назад +105

    The e clutch has got to be a bonus for around town riding not having to worry about using the clutch in traffic must be a plus

    • @TheMissendenFlyer
      @TheMissendenFlyer  8 месяцев назад +5

      True!

    • @stevecade857
      @stevecade857 8 месяцев назад +4

      As town riding and stop\start filtering is the biggest bonus for having the E-clutch I'm surprised it wasn't put through its paces more in that regard.

    • @znoozaros
      @znoozaros 6 месяцев назад +1

      That's exactly it. I do mostly around town riding so I was pondering between honda adv 350 and a svartpilen 401. Bought the svartpilen because I got it for a really good price. If I wanted a bigger bike I'd definitely go with a CB(R) with an e-clutch

  • @myleslovegrove7856
    @myleslovegrove7856 8 месяцев назад +42

    As a man in my mid 50's, I'm guilty of "Oh, it's not like it used to be" comments, harking after a past when things were better. But your def right that we are in a golden age of choice with motorcycles, new and old manufacturers pushing eachother for new innovation. This type of gearbox will be an option on all bike before long I reckon. Another great review!

    • @TheMissendenFlyer
      @TheMissendenFlyer  8 месяцев назад +3

      Thank you, and I think you’re right, given how cheap they are. I suspect manufacturers would rather supply them on all bikes for ease of manufacturing operations.

    • @Bud_51
      @Bud_51 8 месяцев назад +15

      I'm 72 and in the good old days bikes were junk compared to today's.

    • @CC-xu2yz
      @CC-xu2yz 8 месяцев назад

      @@Bud_51 They sure were.

    • @birchwoodbiker
      @birchwoodbiker 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@Bud_51 Best comment I've read, I'm 60 this year and been on bikes since I was 8, and the old bikes unreliable even the early disk brakes were crap, I had rd200 400 RDLC250 350, everyone goes on how great they were, you couldn't stop the way you can on cheaper Chiniese bikes today, still loved them but much prefer new bikes from 2001 onwords👍👍👍

    • @tonyjourneyman1944
      @tonyjourneyman1944 8 месяцев назад

      @@Bud_51 I'd agree up to about 1972, the Honda cb750 was far from a piece of junk. The Japanese changed the game. I dont really know much about the American bikes of that era.

  • @ImLeuff
    @ImLeuff 8 месяцев назад +43

    That's interesting. It's not something that appeals to me personally but we have to give Honda props for innovating and giving riders options.

    • @233kosta
      @233kosta 8 месяцев назад +1

      Look at it this way, if you want a factory up & down wuickshifter, AND the crisp, direct cable throttle of this particular bike, this is probably the best compromise.
      Besides, you're not required to use it. If you feel the need to take over at any moment, you only need pull the lever.

    • @Microphunktv-jb3kj
      @Microphunktv-jb3kj 7 месяцев назад

      ... entire point of riding a bike dispears if u have automatic lol ;S
      pff
      soon they want 0dB bikes lol...

    • @233kosta
      @233kosta 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@Microphunktv-jb3kj I like to have the option. I very strongly dislike people who take away options. Mine or other people's.

    • @girinz
      @girinz 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@Microphunktv-jb3kj its not automatic, u still have to change gears. u can just choose now whether or not u wanna pull the clutch nor nah. best of both worlds imo

  • @stevietrucker4631
    @stevietrucker4631 8 месяцев назад +28

    E Clutch is a brilliant idea, well done Honda i can't wait to try it out 1 day.

    • @TheMissendenFlyer
      @TheMissendenFlyer  8 месяцев назад +4

      I think we are going to be seeing a lot more of it Stevie - it seems a great system to me!

  • @monawoka97
    @monawoka97 8 месяцев назад +20

    This seem SO nice in traffic. Stop and go traffic absolutely kills my clutch hand. I also feel super unsafe sitting at red lights in neutral. I LOVE the idea of always being in first ready to go at any moment without having to deal with the clutch. But I like that you still get to shift using your left foot unlike the fully automatic DCT. Seems like the best of both worlds to me!

  • @pmstirling
    @pmstirling 8 месяцев назад +6

    Initially I thought the eclutch was a solution in search of a problem, but after hearing your thoughts on it I now think, hmm, actually it could be quite nice! Especially at that price. Great for commuting in traffic. Keep up the good work and ignore the trolls!

  • @Sharpey76.
    @Sharpey76. 8 месяцев назад +35

    Good idea, you can disable it and go for a old school weekend blast or on a long trip switch it on and not have to worry about the clutch or make life a bit easier stuck in town traffic. For a 100 quid its a no brainer

    • @TheMissendenFlyer
      @TheMissendenFlyer  8 месяцев назад +6

      Exactly…

    • @CharloBagis
      @CharloBagis 8 месяцев назад

      The question is, should you drop the bike, how much does a replacement cost?

    • @tkraft1442
      @tkraft1442 8 месяцев назад +5

      ​@@CharloBagis u shouldn't buy things if u worry about crashing doesn't matter what u destroy on your bikes or car. :p

    • @siraff4461
      @siraff4461 8 месяцев назад +2

      @@CharloBagis Well looking at the system its a couple of actuators and a few gears so unless there is magic involved I doubt it would cost any more than the hole in your case on the standard one would. If it goes far enough to damage the system it would have done the clutch basket on the stock one and depending how hard it hits that could damage the centre cases. If anything in a light drop its likely to cost the same, a medium drop probably more and a heavy drop probably less.
      Either way if you drop the bike hard enough to do damage to that system you're going to be looking at a much higher cost for all the other damaged parts on the rest of the bike.

    • @kamlallikl
      @kamlallikl 8 месяцев назад

      It’s not a £100 difference. Dealers are selling the manuals closer to £7k

  • @Dan_B_Rides
    @Dan_B_Rides 8 месяцев назад +10

    The CB650R has always been my dream bike ever since I first saw it.
    It’s just got even better with the new styling and that e clutch which is amazing technology.
    In my mind that is the best middle weight bike out there for sure. Only because I love a inline 4 😂
    It’s just a shame that il never be able to afford one as I am a single parent so bills take all my savings! I can dream. Great video Andy.

    • @TheMissendenFlyer
      @TheMissendenFlyer  8 месяцев назад

      Yes, it is a lovely bike Dan - thanks for watching.

    • @alanbarnes2920
      @alanbarnes2920 8 месяцев назад

      That’s a shame Dan..is a PCP package not possible for you? Fully understand buying outright isn’t achievable.

    • @Dan_B_Rides
      @Dan_B_Rides 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@alanbarnes2920 unfortunately not as the money I have left from paying bills equates to £200 a month and that’s got to cover fuel for the car and food costs.
      Typical as I saved up enough cash to buy one then my wife wanted a divorce so all my savings just went on furnishing and renting a house. Life just has a way of kicking you in the bollocks sometimes.
      The funny thing is I am on a decent wage but living alone with a child just cropped people financially. Shit happens I guess.

    • @ghettoboi27
      @ghettoboi27 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@Dan_B_Rides you'll turn this around don't worry. Life has a way of working out in time.

    • @Dan_B_Rides
      @Dan_B_Rides 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@ghettoboi27 unfortunately life isn’t that kind nowadays. You either have money or not. And I do not. Is what it is. I just have to accept it.

  • @lizevans5800
    @lizevans5800 Месяц назад

    Test rode and bought one today! I’ve been having issues with arthritis/pain in the left wrist with my normal ride and the CB650R is so easy. What a fun little bike! Thank you for your informative review.

  • @roberthocking9138
    @roberthocking9138 8 месяцев назад +6

    This system has been around for 70 odd years. Our neighbour in AUS had a 1956 Austin A55, which had a tiptronic clutch. It had a micro switch built into the gear stick knob (column shift) and that operated the clutch so you could just move the stick to the next gear. Good to see bikes catching up 😁

    • @lasskinn474
      @lasskinn474 8 месяцев назад +3

      well there's a bit more to it when it engages clutch at stop to keep the engine from stalling.

  • @motetotee
    @motetotee 8 месяцев назад +2

    I’m 30 and looking to buy my first bike this year. I passed the MSF course (American beginner rider course) last year and was set to buy the 2023 CB650R a few months later but broke my left wrist which put it on hold. The E-clutch looks awesome to me and I’m very excited to try it out! Just found the channel and really appreciate the perspective you bring

  • @zrx4me1
    @zrx4me1 8 месяцев назад +3

    Outstanding review Missenden, as a fellow street rider (40 years), I appreciate your opinions. Cheers from the USA.

  • @simonbowen6653
    @simonbowen6653 8 месяцев назад +10

    Looks like the future to me. Interesting that Honda chose this bike to launch it on but i think they'll roll it out across the range.

  • @darrengibbons7588
    @darrengibbons7588 8 месяцев назад +4

    Good old fashioned down to earth review well Done . Thanks Mr.Honda for letting the bike out to a real world reviewer before the so called professional,s get there hands on it and rubbish the hell out of it .Not saying you’re not a professional however I think you know what I mean and Keep doing what you’re doing Andy as it works . Nice to see a bike that isn’t,t a twin and has that lovely 4 cylinder engine note . Looks to be a great bike and at a reasonable price for a change .

  • @charliestuart3657
    @charliestuart3657 8 месяцев назад +1

    My pausing skills are impressive. Thank you for your videos, I have been watching them for years.

  • @dougmaverick3287
    @dougmaverick3287 6 месяцев назад +3

    I must say I personally don't give a crap if you're rich or poor 😜, all I know is that this is probably one of the best reviews of the Honda cb650r I've seen.
    I'm very glad to hear that the bike fits you perfectly, because I'm almost the exact same size and weight is you, I'm 163 lbs and 5 ft 7 1/2.
    It sounds like you're very impressed with the e-clutch system so would you say it's worth waiting for rather than buying a used bike?
    Unfortunately here in Canada we did not get the 2024 models yet the dealer said they're going to be coming in at the end of the summer or around November and be a 2025 model.

  • @drsous6400
    @drsous6400 8 месяцев назад +214

    I was wrong..and Im sorry, I previously gave you a bad review and rubbished your reviews as being the opinions of a rich guy...I stand corrected..I have since gone back and watched all your vids..And you are without doubt the most un bias reviewer on youtube..I have re subbed..thanks Mr Flyer..please keep up the good work xxx

    • @TheMissendenFlyer
      @TheMissendenFlyer  8 месяцев назад +56

      I’m thrilled to hear that, welcome back!

    • @jaffamaddin
      @jaffamaddin 8 месяцев назад +5

      I really like that CB650R, reminds me of the 600 bandit I used to own, which is still my favourite. For me there is definitely something about a midweight 4 cylinder engine...I preferred it to the 1200 bandit owned later. Now being the owner of DCT honda I was very keen to see your reveiw of the E clutch and it looks a real winner! If I gave up touring or could afford another bike for scratching about...I think this would be top of my list! Cheers Andy....keep doing what your doing 😊

    • @bikegeist
      @bikegeist 8 месяцев назад +32

      .....This....This never happens....especially not on the internet. Unprecedented. Someone admitted they were wrong and leaped to an incorrect conclusion and apologized. 😮😮🤯

    • @stalbansbiker
      @stalbansbiker 8 месяцев назад +4

      BMW have announced a similar system but without the lever again with 2 motors to actuate the clutch/ gearchange I really like the idea of no clutch lever which should help those with arthritis etc or like me the lazy
      The bike itself is rather nice and as you say good value and why wouldn't you have the e clutch

    • @adamsimper6364
      @adamsimper6364 8 месяцев назад +4

      Wait…..?? TMF isn’t rich? 😂

  • @xfactor5876
    @xfactor5876 8 месяцев назад +5

    Andy, thanks for another brilliant review. The rest of us average Joe's watch your videos with great interest.

  • @martynlaverick3405
    @martynlaverick3405 8 месяцев назад +1

    I think this e clutch is a great idea and got to give a thumbs up to Honda for the innovation. If this helps more people ride or keeps people riding longer then it’s a great bonus.

  • @atwntennisclub
    @atwntennisclub 8 месяцев назад +5

    Wish all bikes had a e-clutch 😁
    Really does seem like the modern manual box, perfected

  • @peterchambers7100
    @peterchambers7100 8 месяцев назад +1

    E-clutch looks like an absolute winner for me! That CB looks super in the red too. Keep up the good work TMF! Your reviews are honest and to the point 👍

  • @joh80
    @joh80 8 месяцев назад +4

    Yeah we got to try the CBR with the E Clutch and it was neat. For someone mainly driving in quite heavy trafic with lots of stop and go it would be good. Nice review.

    • @MerlinMoorlo
      @MerlinMoorlo 4 месяца назад

      Bike is not for going through traffic. It's not a transport. It's fun machine. E clutch is crap.

    • @joh80
      @joh80 4 месяца назад +1

      @@MerlinMoorlo Where I live, I have to. ANd no, it was fun for me.

  • @FalosPT
    @FalosPT 7 месяцев назад +2

    Just started driving school... then I will order this piece of art

  • @JezNashMusic
    @JezNashMusic 8 месяцев назад +3

    Another cracking review! Super useful practical real-world info on the bike itself and the great new tech. I should imagine this will be a popular bike.

  • @markfranks1329
    @markfranks1329 8 месяцев назад +1

    Interesting, as always, Andy. I guess the only way to fully appreciate this new system is to actually ride these bikes for oneself. I have heard that Honda won't be offering bikes solely with a conventional set up anymore and all new stock will only have this E-Clutch. Not a problem if it's possible to use both on the fly as you've demonstrated. This is extremely clever.
    Honda have always had an affinity with gearbox innovation on their bikes. From the centrifugal system on their Cubs to the CB400AT of the late 70s. Now with the DCT set up on some of their current models, it implies such transmissions will be part of their philosophy for the foreseeable future.
    As you say, this is a golden period for motorcycles.

  • @everythinggaming7938
    @everythinggaming7938 8 месяцев назад +3

    Thats why we love missenden flyer he is a average joe. Which means most people can relate to him and share his views when it comes to what they want from a motorbike. But not only that he has solid knowledge, he is not boring, he loves bikes, he is passionate and he knows how to make a good video.
    Many people for example love Jeremy clarkson not because he is micheal Schumacher but because he is entertaining

  • @matthewfall-eq8be
    @matthewfall-eq8be 8 месяцев назад +1

    I've just ordered a cbr650r e clutch after taking a demo bike out for an hour, what a fantastic system, you have to force yourself not to operate the lever at first but once you get used to it it's fantastic, smoother on the upshift than the standard Honda quick shifter (my previous bike was a 2023 cb650r) and the down shifts are slick too but with no rev matching which is a bit strange. The slow speed stuff is easy street but you do often think about going for the clutch lever which of course you can if you want. All together a great system which makes a great bike even better.

  • @Pops-007
    @Pops-007 8 месяцев назад +4

    As a noob, my clutch control has needed improvement on a couple of occasions. The eclutch would defo help new riders 👏🏽

    • @TheMissendenFlyer
      @TheMissendenFlyer  8 месяцев назад +8

      True, although of course there is an argument to say it prevents new riders from building their skill set, and I’m not sure what I think about that.

    • @jackmcdermott7383
      @jackmcdermott7383 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@TheMissendenFlyerI was going to say this! I’m currently in the process of doing my full licence on a 23 plate CB650R and I very much doubt the training school will be getting e-clutch bikes next year. You should learn to do it properly before having it done for you.
      Saying that gives me flashbacks of trying to learn multiplication tables at school when it’s so much easier to use a calculator 😂

    • @Bob-ts2tu
      @Bob-ts2tu 8 месяцев назад

      i agree it would, as IMHO building confidence is quite high up the list for newbies, however, i think you still need to learn the proper 'old school' way, as you may need to change bikes, and maybe there will be test & licence implications in future, coz as they improve may be classed as automatics, who knows the way government legislation on bikes has gone, apart from that using the clutch becomes 2nd nature anyway, and IMHO gives you that feeling of more control. GL

  • @NickyLong89
    @NickyLong89 8 месяцев назад +1

    Lovely little bike, hard to complain about any of it really. Good price, looks good, good tech. People will always moan about change but this seems a real trick piece of kit and very convenient. Great that they’re offering it for about £100 aswell, really tempting for buyers. Well done Honda and cheers for the review TMF 👍

  • @orlandoberry4031
    @orlandoberry4031 8 месяцев назад +3

    Every time I watch one of your ride reviews, I find myself ruminating upon the possibilities of that bike in my garage.
    I just wish all bikes had cruse control.

    • @CC-xu2yz
      @CC-xu2yz 8 месяцев назад +1

      I agree.

  • @steveparish9210
    @steveparish9210 8 месяцев назад +2

    Thanks for the review this bike one of my favorites, thought the e-clutch was a gimmick but after yr review I think its a pretty neat idea!

  • @808islandlife_HI
    @808islandlife_HI 8 месяцев назад +6

    It makes it look like that side of the bike has a growth.

    • @santinoshariffe2720
      @santinoshariffe2720 8 месяцев назад

      same thoughts first time i saw it...will be buying the 2023 model aside from the fact its more expensive than the older versions

    • @TheMissendenFlyer
      @TheMissendenFlyer  8 месяцев назад +2

      Yes, it’s a little chunky, but it wouldn’t put me off the system, it’s not that conspicuous.

    • @808islandlife_HI
      @808islandlife_HI 8 месяцев назад

      @@TheMissendenFlyer even beyond the looks, i just don't see the point. It's a needless complication to me.

    • @NickyLong89
      @NickyLong89 8 месяцев назад +3

      @@808islandlife_HIhow is it complicated? If anything it is anything but complicated.

    • @808islandlife_HI
      @808islandlife_HI 8 месяцев назад

      @@NickyLong89 Read my comment again. I never said it was complicated. I said it was a “needless complication”. in other words, they added extra parts and electronics for what seems to be little gain. Plus, if something goes wrong with said extra parts and electronics - a common occurrence with first gen tech - there’s added expense and inconvenience .

  • @robertolesen2349
    @robertolesen2349 4 месяца назад

    Had the chance to test ride this Honda and wow the e-clutch is a smooth experience during acceleration. Dash is sweet, only thing missing would be cruise control. Some design changes are not really my cuppa tea, the old rear light and air intakes looked better. I will be considering this model after the next few facelifts.

  • @AlanRambler
    @AlanRambler 8 месяцев назад +4

    I say, keep motorcycles gimmick free, simple and fun to ride, just more to go wrong with no doubt higher service costs.

    • @johnnybravo7733
      @johnnybravo7733 8 месяцев назад +1

      Agreed. I’m fine with fuel injection and ABS brakes. No need to go all crazy

    • @_Makanko_
      @_Makanko_ 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@johnnybravo7733 and a fuel gauge 😁

  • @peteeldridge1783
    @peteeldridge1783 8 месяцев назад +1

    Great review of the CB650….and the exhaust system is fabulous. Clearly harks back to the CB400/4 from my teens and I still want one. Anyway, the e-clutch looks a great innovation again by Honda! Whether I would use it, I don’t know….as you say, trying to retrain your brain to cope is tricky and if you ride different bikes confusing? However, if you’re looking at bikes in this segment and go for the Honda it must be worth opting for e-clutch at £100…..especially now, as I can’t see them staying at that price! Incredibly, Honda are producing mid-range bikes which are competitive and still come with typical Honda build quality.

  • @michaelcase8574
    @michaelcase8574 8 месяцев назад +3

    Honda had auto transmission as early as the 70s. I remember a 350 and 500 version or maybe a 250.?

    • @PhilC184
      @PhilC184 8 месяцев назад

      400, I think, on the SuperDream. But it was their odd 2 speed system.

  • @billcotton1551
    @billcotton1551 8 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks for doing this review, TMF . I have actually never heard of the E Clutch option.

  • @jameschapman8828
    @jameschapman8828 8 месяцев назад +3

    I find that the e-clutch mechanism is a not a piece of industrial design I find attractive. It looks bulky and clunky. It is certainly function over form for me! Engine aesthetics are part of the attraction of motorcycles for many I feel!

    • @petefletcher
      @petefletcher 8 месяцев назад +1

      I agree, ugly bolt on box to my eyes.

    • @TheMissendenFlyer
      @TheMissendenFlyer  8 месяцев назад

      I didn’t find it too bad, but I take your point, thanks for watching.

    • @johnnybgood7812
      @johnnybgood7812 8 месяцев назад

      As someone who regularly rides a “normal” transmission bike and a Honda Supercub C110 with its peculiar centrifugal clutch system I can honestly say swapping between the two becomes second nature very quickly.

    • @ru54623
      @ru54623 8 месяцев назад

      BMW are bringing auto clutch to the R1300GS...

    • @tkraft1442
      @tkraft1442 8 месяцев назад

      Buy a full black and custom mirrors and maybe something on the rims it will look badass and u won't notice that box so much ;)

  • @mslattery8710
    @mslattery8710 8 месяцев назад

    Beautifull swept downpipes, highly reminiscent of the CB400F of the 70's. That particular styling innovation made that pocket rocket such an attractive bike and was the first of it's kind from Honda. Paired back yet flamboyant.

  • @Racingforblues
    @Racingforblues 8 месяцев назад +8

    This bike needs round speedometer

  • @lynsmith1096
    @lynsmith1096 8 месяцев назад +1

    Good review TMF and nice to see new innovations coming out on bikes.

  • @233kosta
    @233kosta 8 месяцев назад

    This, to me, is what good automation looks like. Completely seamless & invisible in operation, but also entirely intuitive to override. Plus it has basically no drawbacks. Unlike your typical up & down QS, which _has_ to be implemented using ride by wire.
    This bike still gives you pure riding. That must be preserved.

  • @taebert
    @taebert 8 месяцев назад

    I have both motorcycles and scooters in my garage. The thing I really like about the scooters is that I don’t need to think about gear selection. I know for new riders the operation of a clutch may be a barrier to entry. For me however, the clutch is just muscle memory at this point. I am sure this will make motorcycling more accessible to some folks, and that is plus even if it isn’t for me.

  • @jaffamaddin
    @jaffamaddin 8 месяцев назад +2

    First the bike...looks great....sounds great. I do like a mid sized 4 cylinder bike. It reminds me of mt 600 bandit i used to own, which I preferred riding to the 1200 bandit I had later. If I gave up touring or found I could afford a second bike, the CB650R would be pretty much at the top of the list. The e -clutch looks good. I ride an NC750X with DCT and I love it. I did look to add a gear shift lever to use instead of the paddles, but they stopped making them fornthe '21' year models onwards. So it woukd have worked very similar to the e clutch. Great review Andy....keep doing what your doing!

  • @Pops-007
    @Pops-007 8 месяцев назад +2

    Great review Andy, I like watching your videos around my neck of the woods 👍🏼

  • @cartwrightUKNW
    @cartwrightUKNW 8 месяцев назад +1

    Thank-you for another great review and appreciated you didn’t imagine up negatives when there’s no need! I don’t see a problem with a gushing review when’s it’s legit and I always value your reviews! How about that, a gushing comment of your reviews.

  • @seaninness334
    @seaninness334 8 месяцев назад +1

    I guess I'm showing my age in being circumspect about quickshifters and the hoopla (at least it seems like hoopla) surrounding them. I still like the idea of staying with the manual controls but this seems like a better system at a lower price, so, why not. Thanks for the introduction, Andy.

  • @robsharp7913
    @robsharp7913 8 месяцев назад

    Great review as always. Looks like a cracking little bike, love the fact that it’s not over complicated with rider modes, suspension settings, etc. an absolute bargain I’d say!

  • @kyotosal
    @kyotosal 8 месяцев назад

    Hello Sir. You made it back safely from your E-clutch ride review and apparently the E clutch works well. Thanks again. I think I would use the E Clutch.......Sal : )

  • @Alex-if3sr
    @Alex-if3sr 7 месяцев назад

    It's a great idea. But that box is absolutely massive. Most people say its smallish but when you did a walk around you can see just how much it protrudes

  • @brendanmchugh6440
    @brendanmchugh6440 8 месяцев назад

    Watching since tiger 1050 days, gets the odd detail 😮opps , but then he’s not just giving us the press release details, a honest guy that just loves all things motorcycles and touring, stay safe mr & mrs flyer , thanks for years of entertainment 🍀

  • @malcolmpatton9314
    @malcolmpatton9314 8 месяцев назад

    Great review Andy as always great looking bike. Definitely better than a normal quick shifter and less complicated than the dct. Cheaper to service than a dct it’s a winner in my humble opinion.

  • @thepictontwowheels7195
    @thepictontwowheels7195 8 месяцев назад +1

    Very interesting piece Andy. May be great for newer riders too. Hope your shoulder is still progressing well.

  • @M4LLYB
    @M4LLYB 8 месяцев назад +1

    Picked mine up 2 days ago, got the black one. Lovely bike for the daily commute across London.

    • @FalosPT
      @FalosPT 5 месяцев назад

      same here ;) In 10 days we will be together for one month :D I did try to turn off e-clutch last weekend and I have to say.... I don't want to drive ever again without e-clutch

  • @davidnunnerley9084
    @davidnunnerley9084 7 месяцев назад +1

    How good is that! E clutch, wonderful. Lovely bike.

  • @robertdobbelaer8503
    @robertdobbelaer8503 8 месяцев назад +1

    Thanks for the review. Glad Honda still makes a 4 Cylinder Inline engine in the middle weight class. I saw the bike today at the dealer, one negative though, the E-Clutch makes the engine quite wide at the right side. Without protection you will surely damage the E-Clutch when you drop the bike to the right (as opposite to left 🙂) side.

    • @CC-xu2yz
      @CC-xu2yz 8 месяцев назад

      I could tell that from this video. Might be a deal breaker.

  • @jimgordon3468
    @jimgordon3468 8 месяцев назад

    Hey Andy. Great video. I absolutely love Honda, I own 2. I also love the Kawasaki Z 900 rs that you have. That styling brings such a smile to my face. If Honda would make that style bike again with the E clutch or the DCT. That would be AMAZING.

  • @davidwilliamswilliams7174
    @davidwilliamswilliams7174 8 месяцев назад

    A very good review Mr Flyer. Whilst the tech seems to work really well I do wonder sometimes about the implementations of such things on motorcycles. Personally I wish modern bikes had a analogue button which allowed you to just turn the key, skipping the multitude of checks and rider mode selections and just ride!

  • @Bud_51
    @Bud_51 8 месяцев назад +1

    I have always liked the looks of this bike and the E-clutch is a great innovation... Great review....

  • @Stoo48
    @Stoo48 8 месяцев назад

    Saab back in the 1990's had the Sensonic system available on the 900. Slightly different to the Honda system in that it didn't have a clutch pedal. I loved mine, you just eased off the throttle and selected the gear you wanted. Was a little tricky finding the bite revs when parking.

  • @svendeclercq5160
    @svendeclercq5160 8 месяцев назад

    Last week i was lucky to test the 2024 model also. Down 6k the motor is supersmooth but between 6k and 8k a lot of buzz in the footpegs and seat. Back on my 2008 honda cb600f hornet is at that range lot smoother. Rrst of the bike was wonderfull.

  • @Plumstix
    @Plumstix 8 месяцев назад

    I picked up my CBR650R 3 weeks ago and after around 350 miles I've already got used to not using the clutch lever. For slow speed manoeuvres it is handy having a clutch lever so you don't accidentally grab a handful of throttle but the clutch lever bites very far out and this is apparently because of the E-clutch system. That is the only negative thing I have to say about the system.
    You can turn it off in the menu but it defaults to on every time you start the bike so you'd have to turn it off each time if you don't want it.

  • @oliverleifadams2003
    @oliverleifadams2003 8 месяцев назад +1

    Well done Honda. A cheaper better QS. Thanks for another informative vid Andy. 👍🏼

  • @markgr1nyer
    @markgr1nyer 8 месяцев назад +2

    BMW are reportedly developing an auto clutch for the R1300GS. Basically a quickshifter that automatically changes gear for you, and stops it from stalling, so like the DCT without the second clutch, just the quickshifter to hide the gear changes as much as possible

    • @TheMissendenFlyer
      @TheMissendenFlyer  8 месяцев назад

      Yes, so ive heard!

    • @davea9946
      @davea9946 8 месяцев назад

      I wonder how many times that will be recalled?

    • @markgr1nyer
      @markgr1nyer 8 месяцев назад

      @davea9946 I'd rather it get recalled and fixed than they argue it saying there isn't an issue like some manufacturers do.

  • @jimcfds
    @jimcfds 8 месяцев назад

    Definitely like the look of this bike and the new E-Clutch system. Like you, it would be a no brainer for me to spend the extra 100 quid for the E-Clutch. One of the big positives from my side is not having to pull the clutch in at a stop. When I’m stopped, I always shift into neutral, but the big advantage will be stop/start in a traffic queue and not having to worry about the clutch and shifting 1-N-1-N etc. Personally, I’m not too keen on the small TFT and would prefer to see two gauges with a small TFT for navigation guidance. I love Honda four cylinder engines and I think they are bulletproof. Similar to your comment, I’d like to see E-Clutch on all manual shift bikes and the rider can choose manual or E-Clutch operation. Congratulations on the successful shoulder operation and hope it continues to get better. Cheers.

  • @dalailama1405
    @dalailama1405 8 месяцев назад

    I live in thailand and just bought myself one of these bikes ...i love it

  • @andywharam59
    @andywharam59 8 месяцев назад

    Superb machine, beautiful to look at, erm beautiful to ride, superb review as always Andy, because this bike offers enough to warrant the very reasonable price tag, I would definitely put it in my wish list, erm near the Top! 😂

  • @JEmmertz
    @JEmmertz 8 месяцев назад +1

    Good one, Andy!
    I do like the E-clutch concept, generally, and it doesn't seem to add much weight. It does, however, look a bit bulbous. I prefer the DCT concept even if it adds more weight, and I do believe that the two concepts will marry a bit over time and get more slender and useful for all and everyone.
    Also: I do not agree with everything that you say or show, and I will tell (and have done so), but I like what you do, and I can separate what you say and do from who you are, and if I have any objections at least I do so with my own account and won't hide behind a "no-name account".

  • @Tenfx72
    @Tenfx72 8 месяцев назад

    This looks great, i use a quick shift, but this looks smoother and less likely to miss a gear. I can see other manufacturers going this way.

  • @steve_gooner0014
    @steve_gooner0014 8 месяцев назад

    I have always loved the look of the CB650R and did own the gen1 version for a year, I found it a bit too small for me personally and the stock suspension was a bit jarring at times, but that's probably down to the state of our roads. Overall it's a great bike for the money, and with the addition of the e clutch a great commuter machine. The £100 cost of it seems very reasonable, I wonder if that is part of the initial marketing strategy and when introduced to other models it will rise in cost, guess we will have to wait and see!
    Keep up the good work.

    • @TheMissendenFlyer
      @TheMissendenFlyer  8 месяцев назад

      Yes, I wondered that too Steve, let’s hope not eh!

  • @clivehale397
    @clivehale397 8 месяцев назад

    Hi Andy .....what are honda like they must have all the skilled bike guys as they always come up with new ideas...woo hoo to them they are brilliant....

  • @marcosagosti6175
    @marcosagosti6175 8 месяцев назад

    As always very useful review, keep them coming. I use your videos to get an early impression for potential next bikes. This reminds me of the old CB400F from the 70's due to the 4-1 headers, although the old one wins on styling probably due to nostalgia. The new naked bikes look too "Transformers" to me and the passenger accommodations are mostly an afterthought. The fit and finish is quite upscale, specially that engine painting/finishing. However, the side cases look quite vulnerable even in on mild lateral drop. Exhaust and sound well done and all tucked underneath.
    The e-clutch reminds me of the semi-automatic gearboxes of the 60-70's, now thinking on a VW Beetle. Would I buy an e clutch bike? Not know, but likely in the future. By definition I'm not an early adopter of new tech. This is the first iteration, a bit chunky in size and mostly an addition to the traditional setup. Let's wait to see how it stands against use and abuse. In time, it would be better integrated and designed from the onset as such. But definitely worth keeping them on the radar given the low price, and low weight penalty.

  • @K1989L
    @K1989L 7 месяцев назад

    This is great! I was interested in the Cub125 and Dax for the centrifugal clutch but they apparently need a bit more maintenance. Same goes for scooters with their variators. But this is great! I hope it will catch on and soon be found on many bikes. Riding a motorcycle in the traffic is no fun because of the clutch and how much it strains my hand.

  • @rickasker
    @rickasker 8 месяцев назад

    Keep up the good work Andy, great review and very comprehensive information about the new e clutch (much more info than Hondas promo vid 😂). Ignore the trolls who are clearly looking to upset you with their insults. Rise above negativity like that, personally I think you are one of the top content creators on RUclips. All your vids are down to earth and unbiased and are of the highest quality.

    • @TheMissendenFlyer
      @TheMissendenFlyer  8 месяцев назад +1

      That’s very kind of you to say so thank you very much. I try to be polite to the trolls, if I can’t be then I just ban them!

  • @LambChopRides
    @LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

    Its it just like a quickshifter / blipper though? I dont quite understand

    • @LambChopRides
      @LambChopRides 8 месяцев назад

      Ah OK you can stop without using the clutch too, got it 👍

    • @tkraft1442
      @tkraft1442 8 месяцев назад

      And u can start driving on first gear without using the clutch, it's like a helper to get u move. Probably very chill in the city where there's alot of stop and go.

    • @TheMissendenFlyer
      @TheMissendenFlyer  8 месяцев назад

      Got there in the end ol’ fella 😘

  • @palantir135
    @palantir135 8 месяцев назад

    Hi Andy,
    I think it’s a great system. I don’t like using the clutch a lot at some days because my hand is hurting after a while. When you get older you usually develop arthritis and that makes things more difficult.

  • @Klooney9mm
    @Klooney9mm 8 месяцев назад +1

    I'm excited for these on the lower cc bikes. I'd eat up a 300cc with one of these in an instant. Makes it easy for slow speeds and city day to day travel. With the exception on EV application this is the best ease of use tech I've seen.

    • @TheMissendenFlyer
      @TheMissendenFlyer  8 месяцев назад

      You and me both!

    • @MilanGP
      @MilanGP 8 месяцев назад +1

      I was thinking that too. Although I can't ride, the CB300 R with an e-clutch would be a sell out 😂

  • @JoseLgamer05
    @JoseLgamer05 8 месяцев назад

    I love how saab was waay ahead on this one. They had the sensonic gearboxes in cars in the 90's, the concept was similar, but you didn't have a clutch pedal. But I am glad that didn't sell because it didn't work right, needed a little more time in the oven, maybe due to a lack of enough computing power as well, and in that department we are in a much MUCH better place now.

  • @LookingForEntertainment112
    @LookingForEntertainment112 8 месяцев назад

    After commuting by motorbike for 20-somw years, the best commuters I've had were a NC700x DCT and a Vespa. The automatic gearbox shines for commuting. My current MT09's up/down quickshifter comes a close third for ease of commute. I wish more bike makers would offer these.

    • @TheMissendenFlyer
      @TheMissendenFlyer  8 месяцев назад

      I suspect we’re going to see more of these now, thanks for watching and stopping by.

  • @John-cz2pe
    @John-cz2pe 8 месяцев назад

    Morning Andy , very clever system and just like the dct, I' m sure Honda will continue to refine this, so that its not so prominent on the side of the engine. As you said ,it doesn't seem 5 minutes since we read about the patient. I really can't see a down side, apart from the ascetics , which like I said I'm will be improved over time and all for £100 is incredible, especially when you think some manufacturers want £250 just for a colour change. It will aslo enable you to feather the clutch in slow speed manoeuvres, reather than having to drag the back brake on a dct. Loved the look of this too.

  • @kevinwestwood6668
    @kevinwestwood6668 8 месяцев назад

    For all the people who have stalled at traffic lights,or in traffic, this is great 🏍️🏍️,i think MV Augusta, did something similar, with a reckluse clutch.

  • @superstreetfighter14
    @superstreetfighter14 7 месяцев назад +1

    Game changing tech upgrade.

  • @Oliverlikesbikes
    @Oliverlikesbikes 8 месяцев назад

    Yours are consistently the best reviews on you tube. Yes neevsey bvg fagan booth can fully exploit the bikes but they are a different level to me. Your explanations are informative and interesting - the test of a reviewer is do you watch reviews on bikes you are not interested in. I watch nearly all of yours even the GS! Please can we have another biker scran love those.

    • @TheMissendenFlyer
      @TheMissendenFlyer  8 месяцев назад

      Wow that’s a lovely comment to read thank you Oliver. I very much appreciate that. You’ll be glad to hear there’s another Biker Scran scheduled for next Saturday, stay tuned!

  • @MarcoBax-x5f
    @MarcoBax-x5f 7 месяцев назад +1

    You did not mentioned if the e-clouch finds automatically the neutral when you come at full stop or if you need to trigg the lever and find it with your foot....also when you move from full stop how dose the e-c works? I guess as the old style gear right?

    • @TheMissendenFlyer
      @TheMissendenFlyer  7 месяцев назад +1

      It doesn’t find neutral itself - you have to do that, it’s just an auto clutch not an auto gearbox.

  • @MilanGP
    @MilanGP 8 месяцев назад

    So excited to see you riding literally my dream bike, unfortunately I can't get a license (car or bike) at the moment because of my eyesight but I would love to have that bike or even just get the chance to be a pillion. 🏍

    • @TheMissendenFlyer
      @TheMissendenFlyer  8 месяцев назад +2

      I’m so sorry to hear of your eyesight issues, we don’t realise how lucky we are with our health until we lose it. Thanks for watching and for stopping by.

    • @MilanGP
      @MilanGP 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@TheMissendenFlyer I'm 19 in a couple weeks, been wearing glasses all my life. My eyesight is pretty good but not up to the standard needed for starting lessons, etc. I was literally 1 line away on the letter board at the opticians. glad I can experience it on RUclips tho :)

  • @FreddieDobbs
    @FreddieDobbs 8 месяцев назад

    Wow, I’ve never heard of this before😳 Very interesting

    • @TheMissendenFlyer
      @TheMissendenFlyer  8 месяцев назад

      I think we’re going to be hearing a lot more about these in the future Freddie!

  • @kramnam4716
    @kramnam4716 8 месяцев назад

    Happy days A ! Great review. Those brakes will bed in with the miles I should think. Nice one.

    • @TheMissendenFlyer
      @TheMissendenFlyer  8 месяцев назад +1

      Yes you are probably right. Thanks for watching.

  • @chrisgreenwood7884
    @chrisgreenwood7884 8 месяцев назад

    Hopefully picking up my non-eclutch green cb650r next week, great video! Would love to try the eclutch but really didn’t fancy it when I put my deposit down on the manual version

    • @TheMissendenFlyer
      @TheMissendenFlyer  8 месяцев назад +1

      For £100 it’s a no brainer surely??

    • @chrisgreenwood7884
      @chrisgreenwood7884 8 месяцев назад

      @@TheMissendenFlyer it’s all down to personal preference, I didn’t like the way it looked either. You’re right for an extra £100 it’s great. I question its use for helping new riders learn decent clutch control though

  • @FarHanSolo
    @FarHanSolo 8 месяцев назад

    Ooooh! Finally the E-Clutch review is here. Very tempted to swap my 2022 Monkey Bike and 2023 CL500 Scrambler for this, in green! (Although I preferred the Headlight on last year's Honda CB650r Neo Sports Cafe. (round vs this year's horse shoe look, although it has started to grow on me) Another lovely review. Cheers Andy.

  • @philg7889
    @philg7889 8 месяцев назад

    Definite step in the right direction for safer, more relaxed riding. Anyone more interested in hooning-around... not so much. I'd be extremely happy to see that on my next bike.

    • @TheMissendenFlyer
      @TheMissendenFlyer  8 месяцев назад

      Actually I think it works a treat for hooning around too!

  • @JDelta87
    @JDelta87 8 месяцев назад

    It seems like a good option to have for the price and type of bike it's on. I'm not the target audience for this technology, but I can appreciate its existence for those who need/want it.

  • @Peter-hf3ip
    @Peter-hf3ip 8 месяцев назад

    In 1960 I was 15 and fitted 2 new rear shocks to my Dads '54 T110. No garage, in the street, using tools bought from army surplus store...

  • @TimHayton
    @TimHayton 8 месяцев назад

    I like the idea of having either clutch option. With old man hands there are days I have limited use and this would give me a couple more years of riding.

  • @stevetaylor8698
    @stevetaylor8698 8 месяцев назад +2

    The very humble, Jawa 350 (two-stroke) has had a set up like this for decades. You need only use the clutch for engaging and setting off in first gear and after that just use the auto . As with the Honda, you can elect to use the manual clutch lever if you wish. Unlike the Honda, you couldn't come to a stop in gear. But for all the riding in between it worked really well on the machine I had.

    • @TheMissendenFlyer
      @TheMissendenFlyer  8 месяцев назад

      Well it’s not quite the same then Steve because with the Honda you don’t need to use the clutch for setting off in first gear even, it’s very clever!

    • @aunoates6617
      @aunoates6617 8 месяцев назад

      Yes. The Czech bikes had a rod with a little wheel in a curved channel. When the gear lever was moved it pushed the rod to open the clutch so only useful for changing gear. On most of them you could also kick the gear lever to start the engine!

    • @stevetaylor8698
      @stevetaylor8698 8 месяцев назад

      @@TheMissendenFlyer You could use the Jawa setup to engage 1st gear but it wasn't easy to do, and more often than not it would stall when you tried to move off.

    • @stevetaylor8698
      @stevetaylor8698 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@aunoates6617 yes, mine had the same kickstart arrangement too, though it also came with electric start which was rather more convenient, but it was a very elegant and dependable set up.

    • @lasskinn474
      @lasskinn474 8 месяцев назад

      this as far as I understand is just a bolted on actuator on the clutch-system, basically, rather than mechanical gadgeting.
      surprised they didn't call it AI-cluth as is the fashion with microcontroller controlled things nowadays.

  • @stantollerton3551
    @stantollerton3551 8 месяцев назад

    Thanks for the review.
    My only concern would be the risk of damaging the eclutch if you drop the bike!
    For me a protective crash bar of some sort would be needed.... other than that the lack of symmetry would make the bike hard to love.
    I notice very few images of the bike's nearside...

  • @garyhope0103
    @garyhope0103 8 месяцев назад

    Bit confused at the start of the video as to this conception, butnow I've seen this, and explained in a good simple way ie auto clutch, it looks and sounds ideal. Also handy for people like me who have arthritic hands and don't fancy DCT.

  • @scottmitchell6371
    @scottmitchell6371 8 месяцев назад +1

    MV Agusta have a similar system on some of there bikes, but you can't see it stuck on the engine like that. It didn't seem to catch on for them, and they have been doing I for a number of years now.

  • @michaelmclarney1994
    @michaelmclarney1994 8 месяцев назад +1

    Great review as always Mr Fly! This looks like a great middleweight bike and that E clutch is a fantastic addition! I can see that been useful for arthritic hands too and may keep motorcycling a viable option for those suffering, for a bit longer at least!

  • @edelinpetrov1479
    @edelinpetrov1479 7 месяцев назад +1

    Looks like downshifting with the e-clutch is a little abrupt. Obviously it's not auto blipping when the throttle is not open. Have you noticed it downshifting smoother with the throttle open or it cuts the power completely?

    • @TheMissendenFlyer
      @TheMissendenFlyer  7 месяцев назад +1

      tbh I think I only downshifted with the throttle closed....