Complete garbage biased take. Goff has improved a ton with his mobility, pocket presence, mobility, and play extension. He has played better than Mahomes all season, hands down! Was Tom Brady mobile? You all get caught up on the empty calories that athletic and mobile QBs offer. NO ONE is playing better at the QB position than Goff this season. Does Allen have a case sure. But he is the ONLY one that does. Burrows is playing amazing, but his team is not even going to make the playoffs and is not likely to get 10 wins. Maybe go listen to Dave Fipp debunk your grading system and explain how one of your highest graded special teams players in the past was the worst blocker on the team, but was given the easiest blocking assignment each week due to that. I have a difficult time accepting that a QB who is setting NFL records is not worth of being an MVP. Damn. You all are going to make me cancel my subscription... You cannot grade one player in a vacuum and then turn around and try to apply context to Goff. You all get too caught up in the nuance. Did he pass the test? Did he answer the questions correctly? YES! Now shut up and go tell me how great Lamar is again when he has how many playoff wins versus losses? You are such hypocrites.
Amen and amen! Why are fumbles that are not lost a turnover worthy play? Goff’s had a few of those this year. PFF weighs those quite heavily in their grading. He’s also had a game against the Titans where the average start was on the opponent’s 35 yard line, so his opportunities for passing yards were limited. Against Green Bay, in a driving rain/wind storm, he didn’t need to do much in the second half because they had a big lead at halftime and GB wasn’t coming back in those conditions. Add back the difference to his average in those two games and you get a better passing yards comparison to the other MVP candidates. Mobile QB’s get a TD advantage, so that hurts him. Besides, these Bozos sound like Nick Wright, a true Goff hater.
@@OGtruthserum Makes absolutely no sense. Doesn’t meet the eye test at all. I’d put Goff in the top 4 with Lamar, Burrow and Josh who he has a better record than. Mahomes has been bad this year, so he’s not an MVP candidate IMO. Goff’s accuracy and his reading of defenses are elite, which, to me, are far more important than what the hell PFF is grading on!!
This take is so dumb, it’s not even worth throwing out the ridiculous amount of data that disproves it. I like PFF, but they have some serious blind spots.
Goff to me is very similar to LaDamian Tomlinson for the RB position. He not flashy, because he pre-juke his defenders ahead of each play. Goff "pre-juke" by reading pre-snap defense and switching the play at the line.
Apparently in the NFL, the only way to be good at quarterback is to be capable of generating freak highlight plays. Thats what this analysis boils down to
They talk like arm strength and dynamic (running) ability are the only two stats for a QB. Goffs accuracy is elite this season. His decision making have been elite. He didn’t light up his preseason games (LA+TB) but was elite in 7 other games. In most games he throws away the ball when he should and takes the sack when he should.
All I understood was Goff isn't good because he can't run suddenly for 20 yards when a play breaks down, and he doesn't consistently throw 50-yard bombs downfield like they want to see
Lamar Jackson is amazing; he makes the most difficult plays look easy. Jared Goff makes playing quarterback look easier and his ball placement and touch turn simple throws into touchdowns. Not the best athlete, but he's reading, adjusting, seeing and executing at an historic level. Man can't get no respect from these clowns.
Terrible take. Without Goff we wouldn't have more than a couple wins. His pre snap awareness and ability to audible out of plays and manipulate the defense to see what kind of coverage is out there is tops in the league.
@@peterjabattack1 Goff does one thing that most NFL QBs do not do and that is when it matters the most, he will get you in position to get points. Supposedly, you have five elite QBs that Goff doesn't even come close, skill wise, then why is he always beating them....
This is the "oops I said jared goff was the 16th best QB in the NFL in the beginning of the year", so let's talk some trash about him to save face episode.
And we know Matthew Stafford can't win a playoff game without an elite team, because he didn't for 12 years with the Lions. He couldn't even win a playoff game.
Matthew Stafford is number one despite the fact he went 12 years with the Lions without winning. He goes to the Rams and their elite coaching, and suddenly he's number one. Speaking of elite coaching, no one had ever heard of Ben Johnson before. If Ben Johnson leaves and Goff continues to excel, will that be elite coaching? He was supposed to only excel with McVay, and now a coach that talked about biting kneecaps and a no-name TE coach is elite. Maybe Goff made them elite coaches?
Never played on a bad team is a knock on him? Mahomes was drafted to a division champion and never played on a team without super bowl caliber talent. You gonna knock him for that?
You have the internet. What does the stats say about him under pressure? How about we state facts instead of opinions and feelings. What does the numbers say.
@@Arminian100 That loss was on Macvay and his inability to adapt to Bill Belichick out coaching him...that game was very close, but because Guirly was injured and the Rams had no running game, it was a lot easier to blitz and pressure the QB.
The only other person who might be #1 on the lions is Penei Sewell. Otherwise Jared goff is the most important person to this offense. Watch the games, he’s a general at the line of scrimmage
Lol he keep getting playing time... lol ... wow I've never seen someone lose complete credibility so fast ever... hasn't been great under pressure? Dude he's #1 under pressure... lol wow this dude is subjective not objective which is an absolutely moronic state. You are a fan not an analyst. Stay in yr lane. I don't care if the Lions win a SB but to straight up deny what is actually happening is very disingenuous. I guess i just dont see what this dude is seeing from other teams that he doesn't see in the lions...
These made up stats are garbage. I watch every game and he is not bad under pressure, and there are stats to prove it. He also has very few turnover worthy plays.
Quarterbacking an NFL offense is way more than throwing or running around. It’s reading defenses, and executing an offensive game plan, which the great QBs have done for years. Did Joe Montana or Tom Brady have “elite” arms? No, they won games before the ball was even snapped. You give the most important player zero credit for the best offense in the league. You can come up with any metrics to justify your biases, and there is clearly an obvious bias against Goff for whatever reason. Sorry, but this is a perfect example of what makes PFF trash.
They discredit goff. When he is in rams that team cant even win same with detroit. Goff change both franchise . Tell me when goff traded again for winless team.
Goff did not change the franchise. The owner did. Today's Lions team consists of great players that built around Goff. I like Goff, and he is good but not Great. He is benefitting from the whole team around him. Happy for him.
How stupid!? 2021 he was thrown into absolute bare bone team, with new coach, brand new Sewell. He single handedly brought back Lions to within one score against mighty 49ers with 16 passes to running backs!! Mahomes completely choked when his O.line was SLIGHTLY weak in Superbowl against Brady! Every QB needs talent and system around them to succeed..PFF is getting at trash level and is totally ignorant about real football!!
Goff was quite literally the highest performing quarterback under pressure as of a couple games ago. His game is confusing because his elite ability is what he does making adjustments at the line and reading a defense. With that said, Sewell is the league’s MVP. Yes, a right tackle deserves MVP.
Stop giving QBs so much credit for being athletic. The number 1 trait you want in a QB is decision making and Goff is as elite as it gets there. Give me a QB that plays on schedule and gives me 75% completion rate all day over scramble and makes a circus throw 5 times a series guy.
All of these critiques are legit. Not only the individual talent surrounding him, but the fact that they play such selfless ball really elevates Goff's play. (all you need to do is look to how the WRs block) Goff has been playing efficient when the offense is humming and I'm cool with that. Goff is good (not elite), so no not MVP
Almost no other qbs could do what Goff does in this offense. His mind is what elevates his play. He also has an accurate arm. Goff has great numbers under pressure this year. Garbage, stale, old take. It’s easy to forget that this is a complex offense.
How many wins does Detroit or Buffalo have with say Hooker as QB? It's hard to say who is more important to the team. It's gotta be between them. Wins matter.
Wow I thought this video was from 2 years ago???? What are you guys talking about??? See him against that 0 blitz defense by Florez??? Best QB rating over a 6 game span in NFL history??? We talking about 2024 goff??
Yall say it’s the talent around him that makes him good. Isn’t it the quarterback job to keep the talent in check and control the offense. WR’s can’t throw to themselves. Yall are a joke as a podcast. Look at Caleb Williams and all the talent he got around him. They not winning shit. Put some respect on that man’s name. Let me see yall control this offense since anybody could win with this roster.
Awful take on Goff. He’s elite, period. He is one of the few QBS that can read defenses and check the offense into the correct play. He is one of the best in the league at that. If we didn’t have Goff this offense would suck. Period, it’s the truth.
That what sucks about the modern NFL, too many useless running QB that make a mockery of the QB position. The product on field has suffered as a result.
@ yes and not enough qbs know how to diagnose the defense they are seeing at the line and check into the correct play. Goff is one of the best in the league at that and no one ever talks about that part of his game. Not to mention they always like to compare Rams Goff to Lions Goff. Well Rams Goff wasn’t allowed to chance the play at the line Mcvay didn’t help him grow as a QB. He came to Detroit and now that is another weapon Goff has. The dude in this video has always hated Goff, and it’s funny because he doesn’t understand how hard it is to be a QB in the NFL and have sucess and win games. Just because Goff makes it look really easy at times does not mean it is and any QB can do what he is doing this year.
So one game represents a whole season? You can argue 2 of those intercepts weren't really anything he did. Both of them were tipped passes. And one of them was a whatever hail mary at the end of the 1st half.
Complete garbage biased take. Goff has improved a ton with his mobility, pocket presence, mobility, and play extension. He has played better than Mahomes all season, hands down! Was Tom Brady mobile? You all get caught up on the empty calories that athletic and mobile QBs offer. NO ONE is playing better at the QB position than Goff this season. Does Allen have a case sure. But he is the ONLY one that does. Burrows is playing amazing, but his team is not even going to make the playoffs and is not likely to get 10 wins. Maybe go listen to Dave Fipp debunk your grading system and explain how one of your highest graded special teams players in the past was the worst blocker on the team, but was given the easiest blocking assignment each week due to that. I have a difficult time accepting that a QB who is setting NFL records is not worth of being an MVP. Damn. You all are going to make me cancel my subscription... You cannot grade one player in a vacuum and then turn around and try to apply context to Goff. You all get too caught up in the nuance. Did he pass the test? Did he answer the questions correctly? YES! Now shut up and go tell me how great Lamar is again when he has how many playoff wins versus losses? You are such hypocrites.
Amen and amen! Why are fumbles that are not lost a turnover worthy play? Goff’s had a few of those this year. PFF weighs those quite heavily in their grading. He’s also had a game against the Titans where the average start was on the opponent’s 35 yard line, so his opportunities for passing yards were limited. Against Green Bay, in a driving rain/wind storm, he didn’t need to do much in the second half because they had a big lead at halftime and GB wasn’t coming back in those conditions. Add back the difference to his average in those two games and you get a better passing yards comparison to the other MVP candidates. Mobile QB’s get a TD advantage, so that hurts him. Besides, these Bozos sound like Nick Wright, a true Goff hater.
@@c.wesduncan7821 PFF had him at 19th best QB even though he was the leading MVP frontrunner before the Texans game. PFF is a joke!
@@OGtruthserum Makes absolutely no sense. Doesn’t meet the eye test at all. I’d put Goff in the top 4 with Lamar, Burrow and Josh who he has a better record than. Mahomes has been bad this year, so he’s not an MVP candidate IMO. Goff’s accuracy and his reading of defenses are elite, which, to me, are far more important than what the hell PFF is grading on!!
This take is so dumb, it’s not even worth throwing out the ridiculous amount of data that disproves it. I like PFF, but they have some serious blind spots.
Doesn’t really matter, I think Goff thrives off of being underestimated
Goff has been fantastic under pressure and the blitz this year.
That when you know the guys at PFF are freaking clueless!
the question that should be asked is, Does his brain and audible ability make him great, it does!
Highest football IQ outside of Rodgers.
Goff is Batman. He may not be a superhero, but he has all the tools to defeat other superheroes.
Perfect analogy 👏
Goff to me is very similar to LaDamian Tomlinson for the RB position. He not flashy, because he pre-juke his defenders ahead of each play. Goff "pre-juke" by reading pre-snap defense and switching the play at the line.
Apparently in the NFL, the only way to be good at quarterback is to be capable of generating freak highlight plays. Thats what this analysis boils down to
Yes and you have to be mobile today. What a bunch of garbage.
@@Motor-City_Ben-Diesel I hope Goff win 3 SBs so we can go back to traditional pocket passer again!
For real complete nonsense
They talk like arm strength and dynamic (running) ability are the only two stats for a QB. Goffs accuracy is elite this season. His decision making have been elite. He didn’t light up his preseason games (LA+TB) but was elite in 7 other games. In most games he throws away the ball when he should and takes the sack when he should.
...Mahomes has never played on a team without a super bowl calibre head coach/ offensive coordinator. But that's not a knock on him, right?
All I understood was Goff isn't good because he can't run suddenly for 20 yards when a play breaks down, and he doesn't consistently throw 50-yard bombs downfield like they want to see
Lamar Jackson is amazing; he makes the most difficult plays look easy. Jared Goff makes playing quarterback look easier and his ball placement and touch turn simple throws into touchdowns. Not the best athlete, but he's reading, adjusting, seeing and executing at an historic level. Man can't get no respect from these clowns.
Jared Goff with this infrastructure can DEFINITELY win a Super Bowl. Gonna be eating your words in February.
Multiple SB's --- getting Hutch back this year or next year.
Terrible take. Without Goff we wouldn't have more than a couple wins. His pre snap awareness and ability to audible out of plays and manipulate the defense to see what kind of coverage is out there is tops in the league.
Exactly.
@@adam7935 these guys don't count brain power...they only want to be entertained by flashy visuals.
@@peterjabattack1 Goff does one thing that most NFL QBs do not do and that is when it matters the most, he will get you in position to get points. Supposedly, you have five elite QBs that Goff doesn't even come close, skill wise, then why is he always beating them....
This is the "oops I said jared goff was the 16th best QB in the NFL in the beginning of the year", so let's talk some trash about him to save face episode.
And we know Matthew Stafford can't win a playoff game without an elite team, because he didn't for 12 years with the Lions. He couldn't even win a playoff game.
Not good under pressure? Not good in drop back? What team are you watching? Those are old narratives
This video is exactly why pff is a joke. Completely biased, delusional takes every time.
Finally Seth Gilliam has said Goff is a good QB. 🙏 He has finally come around to the Goffense.
Matthew Stafford is number one despite the fact he went 12 years with the Lions without winning. He goes to the Rams and their elite coaching, and suddenly he's number one. Speaking of elite coaching, no one had ever heard of Ben Johnson before. If Ben Johnson leaves and Goff continues to excel, will that be elite coaching? He was supposed to only excel with McVay, and now a coach that talked about biting kneecaps and a no-name TE coach is elite. Maybe Goff made them elite coaches?
Never played on a bad team is a knock on him? Mahomes was drafted to a division champion and never played on a team without super bowl caliber talent. You gonna knock him for that?
You have the internet. What does the stats say about him under pressure? How about we state facts instead of opinions and feelings. What does the numbers say.
LA sucked. Goff takes them to SB. Goes to Detroit will bring them to a SB. PFF is lost in BS. 2 and 0 against Mahomes
LA didn't suck. LA was one of the most talented teams when Goff was there.
@@Arminian100 They were but Goff team was injured when they got to the SB.
@@Arminian100 That loss was on Macvay and his inability to adapt to Bill Belichick out coaching him...that game was very close, but because Guirly was injured and the Rams had no running game, it was a lot easier to blitz and pressure the QB.
Horrible take
The only other person who might be #1 on the lions is Penei Sewell. Otherwise Jared goff is the most important person to this offense. Watch the games, he’s a general at the line of scrimmage
Lol he keep getting playing time... lol ... wow I've never seen someone lose complete credibility so fast ever... hasn't been great under pressure? Dude he's #1 under pressure... lol wow this dude is subjective not objective which is an absolutely moronic state. You are a fan not an analyst. Stay in yr lane. I don't care if the Lions win a SB but to straight up deny what is actually happening is very disingenuous. I guess i just dont see what this dude is seeing from other teams that he doesn't see in the lions...
These made up stats are garbage. I watch every game and he is not bad under pressure, and there are stats to prove it. He also has very few turnover worthy plays.
Yup pff gets their stats wrong ALL the time. They are legit trash.
Quarterbacking an NFL offense is way more than throwing or running around. It’s reading defenses, and executing an offensive game plan, which the great QBs have done for years. Did Joe Montana or Tom Brady have “elite” arms? No, they won games before the ball was even snapped. You give the most important player zero credit for the best offense in the league. You can come up with any metrics to justify your biases, and there is clearly an obvious bias against Goff for whatever reason. Sorry, but this is a perfect example of what makes PFF trash.
Brady always had a supporting cast
The Lions DO see Josh Allen before the Superbowl. SMH
They discredit goff. When he is in rams that team cant even win same with detroit. Goff change both franchise . Tell me when goff traded again for winless team.
Goff did not change the franchise. The owner did. Today's Lions team consists of great players that built around Goff. I like Goff, and he is good but not Great. He is benefitting from the whole team around him. Happy for him.
How stupid!? 2021 he was thrown into absolute bare bone team, with new coach, brand new Sewell. He single handedly brought back Lions to within one score against mighty 49ers with 16 passes to running backs!! Mahomes completely choked when his O.line was SLIGHTLY weak in Superbowl against Brady! Every QB needs talent and system around them to succeed..PFF is getting at trash level and is totally ignorant about real football!!
This is exactly why PFF SUCKS
These people are joke
Goff was quite literally the highest performing quarterback under pressure as of a couple games ago.
His game is confusing because his elite ability is what he does making adjustments at the line and reading a defense.
With that said, Sewell is the league’s MVP. Yes, a right tackle deserves MVP.
"Goff isn't good under pressure" literally #1 in passer rating against the blitz this year... 🤦🏽♂
Seems like these takes are coming from the heart and not the numbers. How many perfect games has your favorite quarterback thrown
Stop giving QBs so much credit for being athletic. The number 1 trait you want in a QB is decision making and Goff is as elite as it gets there. Give me a QB that plays on schedule and gives me 75% completion rate all day over scramble and makes a circus throw 5 times a series guy.
All of these critiques are legit. Not only the individual talent surrounding him, but the fact that they play such selfless ball really elevates Goff's play. (all you need to do is look to how the WRs block) Goff has been playing efficient when the offense is humming and I'm cool with that. Goff is good (not elite), so no not MVP
Goff 4 TDs game scores above 90.
Stafford 4TDs games scores below 80.
What kind of grading is this??
Almost no other qbs could do what Goff does in this offense. His mind is what elevates his play. He also has an accurate arm. Goff has great numbers under pressure this year. Garbage, stale, old take. It’s easy to forget that this is a complex offense.
Jared Goff gets playing time because he's a good goddamn quarterback. You people are delusional.
Who is this bum?
How many wins does Detroit or Buffalo have with say Hooker as QB? It's hard to say who is more important to the team. It's gotta be between them. Wins matter.
They are going to see Allen in December.
Wow I thought this video was from 2 years ago???? What are you guys talking about??? See him against that 0 blitz defense by Florez??? Best QB rating over a 6 game span in NFL history??? We talking about 2024 goff??
18 for 18, 32 straight passes to St Brown??
The things Goff have accomplished, even Mahomes with prime Hill and Kelce could not do.
Tom Brady wasn't Tom Brady even after winning 3 SBs.
Dude starts out with false info lol doesn’t even know when the Rams went to LA
Yall say it’s the talent around him that makes him good. Isn’t it the quarterback job to keep the talent in check and control the offense. WR’s can’t throw to themselves. Yall are a joke as a podcast. Look at Caleb Williams and all the talent he got around him. They not winning shit. Put some respect on that man’s name. Let me see yall control this offense since anybody could win with this roster.
Allen is much better QB than Goff. He doesn't have the caliber of the OLine, the duo running backs, and the receiver/TE that the Lions have.
Awful take on Goff. He’s elite, period. He is one of the few QBS that can read defenses and check the offense into the correct play. He is one of the best in the league at that.
If we didn’t have Goff this offense would suck. Period, it’s the truth.
That what sucks about the modern NFL, too many useless running QB that make a mockery of the QB position. The product on field has suffered as a result.
@ yes and not enough qbs know how to diagnose the defense they are seeing at the line and check into the correct play. Goff is one of the best in the league at that and no one ever talks about that part of his game. Not to mention they always like to compare Rams Goff to Lions Goff. Well Rams Goff wasn’t allowed to chance the play at the line Mcvay didn’t help him grow as a QB. He came to Detroit and now that is another weapon Goff has. The dude in this video has always hated Goff, and it’s funny because he doesn’t understand how hard it is to be a QB in the NFL and have sucess and win games. Just because Goff makes it look really easy at times does not mean it is and any QB can do what he is doing this year.
He threw 5 interceptions against the Texans so in my opinion he's not a MVP candidate!
So one game represents a whole season?
You can argue 2 of those intercepts weren't really anything he did. Both of them were tipped passes. And one of them was a whatever hail mary at the end of the 1st half.
Horrible, uninformed opinion by the bearded guy. It's like he hasn't really watched the Lions games.
Garbage take
Cringe
It’s Lamar still.
Not when he loses to the trash Raiders, Browns, and can't even beat the Steelers who couldn't even score a touchdown.
@ but dominants the good teams? Clearly u don’t watch the games