Should you have an open or closed stance? | Tennis Tips with Patrick Mouratogou
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- Опубликовано: 16 мар 2022
- Did you know that your dominant eye plays a major role on your groundstrokes? I explain how to decide which stance to use in regards to you dominant eye.
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What I admire about your coaching is that you take away your emotions if you don't get the desired result and change how you teach depending on how you read the player.
Thanks for sharing this Patrick! As someone who plays competitive tennis with virtually no vision in my left eye, I found this extremely useful. On my backhand side, I can so easily hit closed but always struggle on the forehand side (including serves and volleys). I've always known it was because of my vision but nice to hear it validated from a true professional! :)
WOW! This is one of the most useful videos by PM!
My return serve backhand is always open stance which is very effective for me even gets me free points sometimes...but always wondered why my regular backhand was weaker than my service return. Thanks Patrick!
Great video (as usual 👌).
This is one of the best tips that I heard while struggling with the backhand stance.
Backhand open stance --> Only if you´re righty and your dominant eye is your left or if you´re lefty and your dominant eye is your right. In the case you´re righty and your dominant eye is your right, your forehand should be open stance.
As a right eye dominant person, this might explain why I always preferred open stance forehands. It might also explain why I prefer batting left handed at cricket, even though I'm right handed. Thanks coach, I learned something new.
Omg amazing coaching ❣️thank you so much as I also learn so much… my dominant eye is definitely the left side and I feel a bit uncomfortable with my backhand at times, so I’ll try this technique ❣️❣️❣️
PRICELESS info Patrick 👌
I had to chuckle at the end where Patrick says, if you hit with a closed stance (backhand) "she can hit you." It reminds me of when I was at camp (in the '70's) and when I was flipping my wrist (a no-no back then) my instructor said he was going to tape an ice pick to my wrist to make me stop doing it. Today I appreciate the topspin I generate with it. Times change...so does technique (and equipment).
Well this might explain a lot! Really struggle with timing on one hand backhand. Right handed, left eye dominant. But I’m trying to visualize an open stance one hander, assuming same advice applies.
Me too. I was wondering why hit the one hander with such an open stance
Should not matter, since you face the ball with your eyes, not your feet
I think the stance is not important, but contact point, you need to hit more in front. yet but with a more close stance
Nice one! Didn't realize the dominant eye concept, until tested it myself. Turn out i'm like her, having left eye dominant.
Coming from 1HBH, where usually on the run can only hit it with closed stance, i did the same on 2HBH. But then i felt my contact was late. Trying more open stance on my 2HBH, and the contact feels more natural. Now i need the footwork pattern and power source to hit it better 😆😆
Get Ahead in Tennis with Killer Volley Techniques. Great Video! Thanks for sharing this one.
Hmm..., my daughter is left eye dominant. This explains why she loves hitting open stance BH. This coach goes way beyond “just tennis” - on a very high level.... LOVE IT!
And once you hear why the movement has to be like that, it all makes sence! Great opportunity for every common player to understand why we have to move like that to gain more stability and consistance with every strike.
Great lesson!
These are the best Training Tips out there ever. So much helpfull details in a short video format. Such a great chance for everybody to be part of a tennis lesson with one of the best Coach out there! Thank you for keeping my eye on every small Detail in becoming a better player.
Tennis is a sport of a lifetime. This video will help keep the interest in a great sport of a lifetime.
What a great video.
This just blew my mind. I’m gonna go more open on my forehand since I just learned my right eye is my dominant one.
Very interesting indeed
Very interesting!
Holy crap I've always felt awkward when doing closed stance 2HB but was taught that way and just figured I needed more reps. But whenever I do open stance it feels like it flows better. Never committed to open stance because again, I was taught closed. Even when I mess around with 1HB I prefer open stance. Makes sense now
Very interesting video. I remember that one of my coaches back then asked me to determine my dominant eye. I'm a right eye dominant player with an open stance FH and a closed stance one-handed BH. I guess that works! Since Dominic Thiem is one of the very few players who often hits one-handed BH with an open stance, I wonder if he does it because he's left eye dominant.
WOW!...Open stance on the back hand is for you. Keep it up young lady.
Hello Patrick. I have learned a lot from your videos. They were recommended by my teacher. Please, I'm right-handed and my dominant eye is right. I was having trouble with the forehand because I was catching the ball tight/late (backhand was always easier for me). So I started prioritizing the forehand in open stance and it solved my problem, however hitting dead/short balls is not always very viable in open, and it also ends up being a strategy that is more tiring and can cause hip/spine pain (hitting all of them in open ). Would it be a good idea to use the eastern grip to hit the forehand in closed stance in my case? Would eastern help me not to delay the beat? Can you please suggest a good solution for when hitting semi-closed or closed stance?
so good...
I am left-eye dominant but I absolutely hate open stance backhands except on super wide balls. I always feel my closed stance backhands are accurate as well
this literally just freed me from my frustration on why i couldnt hit a better backhand after "mastering" the technique. my dominant eye is also the left one and i had the exact same problem as her, my backhand has never felt comfortable at all! gonna try applying what you tought in this lesson and im sure its gonna feel more natural for me :) thanks a lot, my coach has never mentioned anything remotely close to that
Did it help??
it did!! i can hit so much better now and with less effort cos its just easier to see the ball@@elchanclascocina
I laughed a lot with the dominant eye, you are the.best.trained
GOOD!I never notice this mianeye infect contact piont zoom
Fantástico, lo máximo
In addition to playing tennis I did many years of taekwondo, a kicking-oriented martial art. One thing I learned from TKD is that people have dominant legs as well as dominant hands and eyes. Almost every martial artist will prefer to load and balance on one leg and kick with the other (I would assume you would see this in soccer too). I think that has an impact on tennis footwork. As a lefty I preferred to fight right-side forward, load on my left leg, and kick with my right. In tennis I like open-stance forehand and closed-stance backhand because that keeps my left leg as being the stabilizing leg. Unfortunately I am right-eye dominant so maybe I should try to switch to an open-stance backhand but because of the leg issue it’s not easy for me.
In soccer, a lefty kicks with his left leg, and a righty with his right. Messi and Maradona are lefties, Cristiano Ronaldo and Pele are righties.
Excellent video.. Hopefully it will help me with my backhand being left eye predominant
Her skin has a beautiful color
Nice
Thank you Clervie and coach Patrick. Great instruction. I always think players with open stance move easily from backhand shot to forehand. It is true that more players especially the men are choosing that stance these days.
So, could we apply this also for the forehand (righhanded) with a right eye dominance? I mean, playing more open stanced?
Hi Patrick, I'm a tennis player and I was recently doing the dominant eye test however it didn't seem to work, after researching I found that I do not have a dominant eye. What type of stance and technique should I use?
Question, would Rafa be better off hitting his backhands with an open stance? He is right eye dominant if I am correct but he hits many closed stance backhands.
Patrick, love your videos.
Unfortunately, I’m afraid you got the eye test wrong. The girl in this video is right eye dominant instead of left eye. I encourage everyone to look up the test in the internet. By looking at the comments, I see a lot of people wrongly believed their non-dominant eye is the dominant one. That is why I leave a comment here. (I left a similar comment yesterday and was deleted.)
Of course, open stance or not and its benefit had a lot to do than just the player’s dominant eye. So this is still a useful video. Just don’t believe in everything said in this video before verifying it.
Hopefully, this comment won’t get deleted this time.
Coach what about for cross dominant single handed backhanders (same as girl left eye dominant). I dont feel Single handed backhand can accommodate open stance (slice yes but not so much flat/topspin) - what can u advise in terms of : foot positioning, weight transfer, contact point, and finishing position. Many thanks
I am a little skeptical about this theory that the dominant eye makes a huge difference in what kind of stance you chose to hit the ball. If you look at the players head when she is hitting in closed vs open stance, her head is in pretty much the same position, so she will be seeing the ball with her left eye equally good or bad. Open stance has its many advantages, but seeing the ball better is probably the least important one.
Sometimes it's not about making a "huge" difference immediately (esp at this high level). It's about making an adjustment that maximizes your edge, even if it's marginal. In the long term that can be huge.
Great video ! Just one question : how to adapt It to a one-hand backhand ? Super vidéo ! Mais juste une question : comment transposer cela à un revers à une main ?
I guess he will advise switching to 2 hander :).
Beautifull (outdoor) tennis hall, does it have disadvantages?
Damn her hitting is amazing
1) Being mixed-handed created a nightmare for me when I first started playing tennis. (Lefty who plays righty). My backhand is superior to all but the top players in the world, but my forehand was always behind as well as the serve. I've overcome those challenges, but a study revealed that having a "dominant" side is critical for racquet sports, where the opposite is true for sports like basketball!
2) The young woman has beautiful skin, my goodness.
Your backhand being the best in the world is quite a stretch
Nick be like just hit the dayyyum boallll mayyynn
Historic instruction was your pooting your foot in the direction of the opposite netpole: that hinders your dominant left eye (righthander) but also hinders optimal free upper body moment!
Bjorn Borg was so right in hitting open stance, for which he was condemned in his days.
Do this should work with one hand backhand?
How does Roger make up for the fact that he is left-eye dominant with a one-handed backhand where usually he hits close-stanced?
Eye Myth debunked 😅
I have a closed stance on NFT's
the 1.2 step should be practised by every player who wants to reach high level, we knew that already in the 80s !!
Hmmmm…I play left handed but I am left eye dominant….guess this means I should use open stance on my forehand more. How do I do that and still have a big forehand? My backhand is better than my forehand…always has been… wonder if this is why???
Open stance blocks the hips from moving freely doesn't it?
If you are left eye dominant and play open stance on your backhand does the same count for your forehand or would you have to go opposite and play closed stans on your forehand?
Are you righty or lefty?
@@miguelbarahona6636 I’m a righty
@@Nemesis6284 In your case, any forehand you like. If you have time, closed or neutral stance, if you´re rushed by your opponent, open stance.
@@miguelbarahona6636 thanks a lot. Will try
Hello Patrick. Great video. My 5 yr old son Max has started playing tennis. Would it be better for him to hit FH on same side as his dominant eye ex. If Left eye dominant then hit FH w/ left? I suspect he is left eye dominant but currently hits FH w/ right. However his left is as strong as his right according to his Coach. So I think he could swtich FH easily to his left. I am concerned it will be harder for him to adjust his right handed, 2 hand BH for left eye dominance than to adjust a left handed FH for left eye dominance. What do you think? Just want him to enjoy tennis as much as possible. Myself I am left eye dominant and have lots of problems hitting my right handed one hand BH :), as I lose track of the ball and open stance is tough w/ one hander. Thanks.
Probably best, as most players have a better forehand than backhand…also, as shown here, you can still take a shorter backswing on the backhand side, so I am assuming it is easier to hit good backhands with nondomiant eye, whereas forehand requires a bigger backswing.
If we have a left eye dominant how we can do ( I have one handed backhand ) + Forehand
And serve too pls help me
Really simple, switch to a 2 handed.
Patrick has a video on eye dominance on the Serve. If you are a right fe and right eye dominant you shouldnt do a Federer type of throw (to the side) you will turn your head to much and coil to much and lose sight of the ball at contact. Fed is left eye dominant, that's why it works for him and not for a lot of people who try to copy him.
Serve: throw the ball over your dominant eye (of course a bit in front if it´s a flat serve, a bit to the right if it´s a slice serve and a bit over your head if it´s a kick serve - for righties). 1HBH, keep using closed stance (if the pace of the rally allows it) and follow the incoming ball with the tip of the nose (that will prevent your nose blocking your dominant´s eye field of view)
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What about one handed backhands?
Switch to a 2 handed , simple.
Well that was your first mistake! 😂
If your dominant eye and your dominant hand are on the same side of the body, no problem with closed stance 1HBH. In fact, in this case, it should be your most natural shot. Examples: Wawrinka, Gasquet. Federer is crossed eye dominant (his dominant eye is the left), he had to work on watching better the ball, that´s why he keeps his head still on each shot. A tennis tip: your nose should point to the incoming ball (this prevents your nose blocking your dominant´s eye field of view).
The object moves when I close each eye. I don’t know if that’s a double strength or double weakness 🤣
I didn't see a difference either🙁
Sadly double weaknesses. So both your forehand and backhand should be open stance/ semi-open. Good luck~
@@jayrodiles8562 That’s what I kind of figured. More importantly serving with an open stance is what I’ve noticed is a huge difference. Emulating Stan versus Roger I do much better
Isn’t serenas right eye her dominant eye if so why does she do open stance backhands
Nobody has ever talked about this in my 25 years of tennis!
That is because it was just "invented". Keeping attention is a business now. Wait for many more "inventions" to come but never actually check them just accept them as truth.
wait does that mean as a righty with a right dominant eye my closed forehand stance would be worse?
Yes, Patrick would argue that you should be hitting open stance forehands and closed stance backhands
The rule is: if you have time, hit FH open-neutral stance, if you´re rushed, hit it open stance.
@@TheTamrielDrunkard but how do you hit an open stance short ball ...
@@xawee7254 nothing is absolute. Depends on how fast you're coming forward
Who else is right handed and right eye dominant or vice versa?
PM is a tremendous coach and looks to draw out the last 5% of elite players (which can make all the difference) ... but this dominant eye theory is 100% overcoaching/nit-picking and finding a new "reason" for commonplace problems. A player doesn't want a closed stance because it can restrict the hips and limit power generation. Also, early preparation and movement are hugely important - so of course, hitting with a very closed stance prevents the ability to get both IN and BACK into proper position. I mean, look at the drills they're doing in the video - the balls are thrown far left (e.g. backhand crosscourt from the other side) so it's not like the gal has time to take that extra step into a closed position. It's two-big-steps-and-swing over and over again ... there's just not enough time to take the third step for the closed stance. So this has nothing to do with dominant eye bunk - it's all about being able to put yourself in proper hitting position and position your feet to generate the right power/timing AND then having the correct footwork to return back to the middle. So this video is really about efficiency of movement - taking LESS steps to hit just as cleanly.
He said Serena is also open stance
Who is "Mouratogou" in the title?
As a righty, i wish i had left-eye dominance 😔
Why? As long as you know what you are you can make way with it right? I am a righty and right eye dominant. Fh open stance and backhand closed. It is funny because that indeed (without knowing I was right eye dominant) is the way I have been hitting balls ever since I was a kid.
@@sergiosimbula you’re correct but when you’re a kid unless your coach is really aware of it they never talk about eye dominance. So as a right eye dominance I can have a closed BH but should ideally have an open stance on FH - I’ve worked so much on closed stance FH for power that I only use open stance on very wide shots or on the run. Typically I find BH much more consistent even though it’s my weaker shot. So to answer your question, I think it would be great to have that additional comfort on my strongest weapon (FH) not to mention the benefits left eye dominance can give for a righty serve (I.e. Federer)
I understand your point. Yes you are 100% right. In my case I might have been lucky or it was intuition I don't know. But it might be worth it to still make the adjustments. Because actually what you are saying... Closed stance for more power don't necessarily make much sense. When I was a kid I would hit open stance out of laziness and would almost fall back, but nowadays and just look at the pros... With open stance you can actually generate more power. Having a much wider stance, be lower. Use the legs a lot more. Loading the back leg and transfer weight foreword through the shot. With the more traditional closed the stance you don't get this. It also depends a lot on your grip of course. Semi western lends itself for open stance and the traditional eastern grip goes with the closed stance. If you have a semi western grip AND are also right eye dominant I would definitely try to start using the open stance. And of course I do and every pro does to hit closed stance sometimes like when you hit a forehand approach.
Federer is left eye dominant. Simple, you have to work harder to watch better the ball.
I love PM and find his technique tips better than anyone else. But this dominant eye thing as why a person with normal vision can or can't hit/serve a ball standing a certain way... I think is complete baloney.
No just no! When you look at the ball, you will be using both eyes and binocular vision.
There are so many other visual skills that create issues on court.
Without fully assessing someones vision it makes no sense to blame a timing issue on eye dominance.
it's not the good term. He tells about the guiding eye, not the dominant eye. The dominant eye is the one that disturbs the vision the most if it is disturbed. It is the same eye most often but it is not obligatory
You´re right, because your dominant eye sometimes is not the eye that sees better. I have a simple solution: watch the ball with both eyes (try not to block any of them, with your nose).
But rec players can't pull that open backhand well.. Tricky.
What if I'm a cyclops....?
Cyclop.
@@maggiegatsby4577 Grammar police out to get me?
@@grouchyblackman
No, not at all!
Appreciate the 'what if?' defence, actually.
Only, 'see' dear,
the (perhaps accidental) plural form suggests a min of ..two cyclops, the result, two eyes-----though not necessarily a pair.
@@maggiegatsby4577 Ha!
70% of shots of top players are semi open. Not even mentioned.
All stances are needed.
Head position similar on all stances . So .....
Left eye dominant doesn't mean the right eye can't see, right?😂
Dominant eye? Oh coaches are Podiatrists now? That dominant eye stuff is bunk. Also, you CANT hit every backhand with a closed stance. You can’t every every backhand with an open stance. Offensive backhands are closed (more time) and defensive are open. (Less time) Now I absolutely KNOW that Patrick is incapable of building a player from scratch. Look at the ATP and WTA match videos. Players must do BOTH. ALSO. You CANNOT hit backhand approach shots with an open stance. Sorry not convinced that Patrick is THE coach.
Why can’t you just play with glasses then. A few ATP players have done it.
Her legs are so shiny...
Vey awkward looking even when Serena does it. Tennis is now just two Rams butting heads. Left eye right eye doesn’t matter. Good luck young lady.
I had a great laugh with this "dominant eye" invention. Amazing how "coaches" are now hokus-pokus scientists. Good for the business to attract more followers..
Are you right hand but left eye dominant (cross eye dominant)?
It works for me - so not sure what you are talking about?
It’s not an invention Igor
Wtf are u talking about thats a fact that scientists proofed to exist
It totally works for me. Don’t know what wrong with you
a BS?
If you wear contacts so shouldn’t both eyes be equal?
No I guess you can me very unlucky... when your dominant eye is the one that you sees worse.
@@sergiosimbula It´s not rare that the dominant eye is the one that sees the worst.
@@miguelbarahona6636 All the more reason for me to feel lucky :)
You always have a dominant eye. 70% of population have same side dominance (right hand-right eye or left hand-left eye). 30% have a crossed dominance (right hand-left eye or left hand-right eye). Federer has a crossed dominance.