My guess is that Seele is simply better suited to full Harmony team than other DPS. Also, given that Seele's usage rate is rather low in this chart, the only people who were playing her are very likely hyper invested into her with near perfect setup.
Sparkle kinda enables her optimal playstyle, which I feel like people don't take into account because she was released a year earlier. In this MoC in particular Seele getting to use skill almost every fast forward is a big win.
jade's easiest enemies to beat are a bunch of small, low hp quantum-weak mobs, next to one big hp poll boss in pure fiction?? seems like seele's playing ground to me
@@s2wuolf508 I mean I get it, I'm just saying that everyone specifically complaining about it is just too terminally tiktok brained that they'd rather complain about it than just lower the fucking speed
None of this should be surprising tbh, this has been known to the 0-cycle community for a long time, Seele has the highest damage throughput if you need to do a lot of damage in the least amount of action value, it doesn't matter how good the damage multiplier on Acheron is if Acheron needs so many action value just to ult, unless they superbuff the def/hp or add quantum immunity or something on the boss, Seele will just kill everything before Acheron can even get her stacks up, hence to a skilled player Seele will simply kill things much faster than Acheron
@@mistlight479 they are slowly releasing mechanics which counter seele, the moment a choir/aventurine rotation comes seele will be screwed(along with half the player base)
@@georgezhang1573 only boss that counter seele are the choirs. Back when we had aventurine moc 12, seele 0 cycled with a sustain (gallagher) at 4 gold cost
@@bewitted1169 adding more cost will help, but moc gains more hp every patch. The next time aventurine comes back he’ll have 30% more hp and likely won’t have as good of a blessing. It’s not as difficult of a counter as the choir, but seele will definitely have issues with future aventurine, especially since entering the dice phase basically loses the run.
Also one thing that I have always said but ppl dislike is that her kit is designed in a way that when she hits specific breakpoints in dmg her performance dramatically changes. When you couple that with spd I feel like ppl don’t understand how strong that combo is. The thing with Seele is she will never hit as hard as the top dps units, but she will hit way more often than them. So even though her individual hits aren’t as heavy, her frequency of atks makes her deceptively strong.
26:56 the reason is because for Seele almost every team has cleared in 6.07 cycles (2.7%/3.8%) she is quite consistent and only used by highly skilled players, she has decently high ceiling at high investment. Acheron in turn is used by everyone and their mom, so % of low investment Acheron tams is much higher. Edit: ok it still doesn't add up, Seele average clears are less then her fastest clear team, this is impossible result, so there is definitely an error
Finally, CN Seele investors gets it about how good she is, when u max invest her. No Quantum weakness content also. Xolze gonna be like I told you so, while being edgy.
throughout hsr moc history seele was the most efficient event dps on average in terms of lowest party cost(amount of legendaries), apart from last boss that aoe chars have x3 damage on you can find 0cyc seele clears videos on yt on every moc version
@@quantumify2001 Seele isnt consistent. She needs overkill damage in order to kill fast enough with resurgence procs. That means that as content got harder she now NEEDS to be with extremely good relics stats and team. Anyone trying to build her without having that already is going to be very disappointed.
Ive done 1 cycle with a sustain last moc and this time i had to take him in side 1 it was still a 3 cycle (i dont even remember why i did that) Amount of skill issue people have is crazy
It’s cause seele users hyper invest into her whilst popular dps’ like firefly and acheron have users who don’t put that much effort into them seele also has a really high ceiling for 0 cycling and doesn’t need much ramping unlike firefly who needs to break the enemy and acheron who needs to build stacks for her ultimate
man all the boothill users in that CN tier list are absolute dogshirt because he's literally one of the easiest unit to zero cycle this moc even without ruan mei like omg 😭
The issue is that it’s very easy to build a dogshit boothill and still clear because he does so much toughness damage and has delay on the ult, meaning you won’t take much damage. So the good boothill users are just being diluted by the mass of really bad boothill users. You can see that all of the slowest teams are boothill teams.
The problem is the ease of use between firefly and boothill is so huge. a good boothill player can decide who to target first and nuke later on. a bad boothill player would mess up so bad because they didn't get his stacks quick enough or target the wrong mob. Whereas a Firefly player good or bad can just do whatever and not suffer as much even if it was not the optimal play.
THIS. I nearly one cycled first try with Boothill after throwing on some random good thief sets I got from weekly bosses. If you can spare Bronya or Sparkle on his side he does not even need Ruan Mei, the boss is dead if Boothill gets a single turn on them while they are broken.
seele on the top because no seele main use her wrong like the other character in gayshit teamcomp, which is slow , so for the average individual of seele is number 1, the other reason is .... seele can only clear the moc fast because when player fail to clear it fast, they dont clear it because she can only be used in glass canon team , so only the fast clear got submited
@@critanddam9031 Translation: Seele main have all the strats down for her, relics built for her, probably even Eidolons gotten for her, and submit clears only when their ego allows them to. Meanwhile everyone else can vary from being used by the biggest of scrubs to the sweatiest of sweats.
@@critanddam9031 firefly getting used by noob: clears in 10 cycles, drags average down Seele getting used by noob: dies, no clear submitted, doesn’t drag average down
I think watching the top place is good statistic for good team combo. Watching the worst does not mean a thing. Some people are bad at team combo and maybe some play on auto. I did Argenti with Boothill. When you run auto Boothill on Argenti the AI starts to attack the shields which is way slower.
27:45 doesn’t take a mathematician to correct you here. If Seele’s fastest team is 6+ cycles she can’t have a 5.71 average. Something definitely went haywire in their compiler or some other human error occurred. Also yes the first half is a joke for Firefly even without the trotter so it’s natural that she crushing the competition. I’ll be interested to see how she does against a “more neutral opponent if I can say so myself” 😂 I believe she’ll still be near the top until we have toughness lock on both sides, which probably won’t happen any time soon.
That simply means she is used in many different teams that each fast clear team doesn't have 200+ usage and therefore not showing up. Given total usage is around 500, it is normal that most of her team won't show up.
@@kenchen1351 yes that is the only possibilty that would allow for the statistics to be correct, but it's so unlikely that I didn't bother to bring it up.
@@bjornnilsson2941 It was in video: If number of records is less than 200, then it won't show up. It was also in video that total number of Seele's record is 500-ish. The video also shows a character usually have more than 3 teams. With all above, you come to the conclusion that her teams are likely have more than 200 records to show up.
@@kenchen1351 if that's the case they should have a higher cut off for characters to show up and not just the teams. That's incredibly misleading. You could have like 10 Arlan mains retrying for a week to 0 cycle and suddenly he's the best unit in the game according to the statistics. Still not sure I believe that Seele has 3 teams that between them outperform every other DPS, occam's razor is that there was a problem with the data. I get that the sample size is low and only dedicated mains would play her, but that leaves the question of why Jing Yuan's records are so dismal. If anyone is dedicated it's them.
@@bjornnilsson2941 I mean JY simply has a much lower ceiling than Seele, this is common knowledge (maybe you could argue otherwise with super break). I agree the data still seems fishy though.
black swan kafka is still my most favourite team its so comfy but yeah firefly feels really good kinda makes me second guess going for acheron on the rerun
@@IlyaV2 ruclips.net/video/B6fVSq-dvQ4/видео.html he did it without a lc on boothill and he does have eidolohs on other characters but if you have an lc on boothill you should still work fairly well with out the amount of eidolons he had on some
@@Twigggggy it's fine I just wanted to see how others do it this moc Since not having any trash mob was so weird for me I just put him in side 1 Edit: just watched the video I think it was a 0 cycle since he started in cycle 26 and finished the fight before cycle 25 started 186 SPD on Boothill is also possible for me Time to test stuff
@@JuJackson-dq2bfi think that is e0s1 only .. look i can gurantee you my seele e0s1 with triple support e0s1 deal 500k ult,150k skill (if she crit) .. so if someone have ways better gear than me they could deal way higher .. my support also not max trace .. So if i have e2 sparkle,e1 ruan mei or any support that have crack edilion i probably be able to deal crazy dmg
@@testingabc6207 Seele works by getting 2x as many ults and many more skills than other DPSs, 500k ult with her kit seems hard to believe frankly, that would be stronger than a 1 mil Acheron ult
bro this is average numbers. the tally will only show upper bound, upper values when it is specifically mentioned or required. that one fast Seele clear maybe one of the few recorded clears and the tally just tabulated the average numbers.
As someone who has both FF and booty cheeks, it’s hard to prioritise him when Ruan Mei, HMC and Gallagher compliment her way better 🥲 BH will have much higher usage once his team members stop competing with FF as much.
The explaining you gave about Seele could be correct however, seeles fastest team is at 6.xx while seeles average speed is 5.71 which doesnt add up, the fastest team should be faster and the slowest speed should be slower (basic maths)
Seele comps have at least 6 variations that can clear the MoC, with 2 that I can think of that are meant to do fast clears with proper investment (0-1 cycles average ,2 cycles max), the mono quantum in that list is the only comp that has reached 200 clears which is used for consistency and comfort not for fast clears.
What's there to defend? They clear the moc 12 just fine. Tier list just usually favors newer characters anyway. This goes for all gacha games. Only insecure people need to validate themselves to feel good about themselves. This is a PVE game so just beating all the contents with characters that they like is fine. Why be a sheep a follow what others are doing. Also didn't this community bully all the Jing Yuan mains here? I doubt almost any Jing Yuan mains watch this channel. For me, I just pull any characters that I like and use them, that includes Jing Yuan. Sometimes I use meta team and sometimes I don't. It's not like I couldn't clear contents because I used Jing Yuan.
@@7Clover They used to pretend he was one of the best dps even tho everyone kinda knew he wasn't. Now that there's been tons of data that contradicts they way they felt about him, they stopped caring. Jing Yuan mains were very common in the comments and their reddit used to argue with Pokke and others. I knew this would eventually happen the second I noticed they avoided posting some data that made him look bad.
@@sct77 When I pulled him I thought of him as an aoe character that can also be decent against boss. Like obviously he got power crept but I also didn't understand why people shit on him when he can clear contents fine. Is he the best,no? But he isn't like the worst. I have seen people just attack a person just because they use a certain character. I mean there are bad apples among each mains, not just Jing Yuan. That doesn't give excuse to treat others horribly. I have seen some terrible actions from not just Jing Yuan mains but others as well. This is same for like Genshin community as well. At the end of the day though data is useless because everyone has different investment, skills, and character pools. I used to play card games competitively and for those meta mattered, but I find it idiotic to see people argue and attack people over what's best in a pve game. For fun sure, but anything other than that and attacking others are stupid. To me, a character is only bad if they can't beat the endgame content with a proper team and investment.
@@7Clover tbh it’s mostly bc jing yuan mains are in denial you call blade mid in front of blade mains they don’t care they know he’s mid you call acheron mid in front of acheron mains they don’t care they know she’s good Jingyuan mains take it personally because they know he’s ass but don’t want to admit it.
Im honestly surprised that anyone would be surprised that the waifu that goes ungabunga skill spam win, is used more than the male hunt unit where you have to actually think for half a second about what you are about to do.
I used Boothill superbreak team on current MOC12's first side and it took me 3 cycles. In his and FF's MOC it took me one cycle to clear first side with Boothill. What are these CN Boothill mains on about😂
i have a question: how much is it worth to reinforce a team (so pulling for the rerun of the characters to get either the eidolons or the lightcones) instead of pulling new characters from scratch? I have managed to complete two whole teams: The first one made of Firefly, Ruan Mei, Gallager, and Harmony MC The second one made of Acheron, SW, Pela and Aventurine So since these two teams can go basically againts everything in the game since they are very versatile, i was wondering if i should stop totally to pull for new characters, and just save everything to obtain the eidolons or LC (prioritizing Firefly and Acheron first) of these characters instead. Is it a safe thing to do? Or is it just dumb and i should not do it?
@@lordzeref8175 generally the powercreep is slow enough that investing in current characters more is better than pulling for new characters for increasing your raw damage. However, new characters also brings more versatility so you won’t get countered by one specific type of enemy. One compromise is investing in supports, which improves both current and future characters. Notably, ruan mei e1 is about as good as firefly e1 for that team, and can be used with other teams as well.
at the end of the day, e2 Acheron will always be good, e2 firefly will always be good, but new character will most likely in the future eventually become better than Acheron and firefly, so just pull for either characters who u think are fun, or eidolons if you want to have a future proof team
@@georgezhang1573 As supports i have Harmony MC E6, Tingyun E6, Ruan mei E0S0 and Bronya E1S0 on my account, so if i can get an Acheron E2 in the future i can swap out either SW or Pela for Bronya i suppose. Either way, the only character i wanted to pull before investing everything in the reruns was the new fire healer in 2.5 for the Firefly team. All i wanted to know is if it's a good option to reinforce an already enstablished team instead of constatly pulling the new stuff (since the content Hoyo will made will be around the new characters of course). But if you're telling me that it's actually the better thing to do, then i will follow this route 100%, thank you very much 😁
yeah,my E6 Gallagher is as good as 5 star healer.🎉🎉🎉 But here is a problem : for characters who rarely attack enemies, he needs to use skill to heal them.
The pro-powercreep doomers are in shambles after this one...seele is absolutely broken by typical turn based games standards for sure purely based on design and will continue to cook for a while but cause hsr is a gacha eventually she will be phased out purely based on enemy stats and mechanics. Unless if they pull off a hi3rd and release newer limited LCs that are specific to these older units to bring em back up. Unlikely to happen tho.
@blancka4200 hemiko's rise in popularity is cause the game kept adding things, be it character, enemies, or gamemodes that she can shine with more than ever. On top of that, the playerbase finally pulled their head out of their ass and started to understand how a character can have nuance and isn't just about raw numbers, so they played her more. JY lc is great ofc, but it's been around since 1.0, and hemiko only recently started to be appreciated as she should've been. The hi3rd weapons have specific character buffs...in the case of hsr a newer lc would be something like "if hemiko weakness breaks an enemy they recover twice as fast and take the same break dmg every turn after recovery and also increases her BE by x amount per enemy broken up to y stacks" That's more like what hi3rd does, not just universal strong buffs.
so you are telling me that seele swap back swap back her self too top of the meta again and negative edged on the moc like the old days?! Genuinely interesting
i really dont get the boothill’s score. i dont have him bc i have no strong feeling ab him nor do i dislike him, but is he support/lc reliant? bc ppl around me tend to say that he’s the king of 0C and the better firefly and all that (no hate to her too) but it’s just too contradictory
He doesn't really need his light cone (although 60% BE and 20% def ignore and 12% speed is crazy good its not necessary) And is less reliant on ruan mei than firefly (might feel wierd to use if his first basic dosnt break+kill instantly) And in fastest clears he managed to be faster than firefly So idont even know wtf happened
@@IlyaV2 i disagree with this one if it he with his lc and ruanmei then yes he slightly faster than firefly but without nah he alot harder to play and have to reset many time like my friend did .
@@peak1824 yeah his light cone adding around 30% damage to his breaks is crazy good like I said but not necessary. I think the light cone will make a big difference for you if you are struggling to kill the first mob in one turn. I can definitely see that being the case for your friend or he had the issue of not having a trash mob to kill in side 2 which now that I think about it E1 is better in a scenario like this you'll miss on 60BE 4% Def ignore and some speed but having the 1 stack at the start of battle means you always will kill the trash mob and you dont have that much issues if theres no trash mob to kill. Maybe I should get his E1 instead of the light cone on his rerun..... Anyways I got distracted you're right both FF and BH are so close that you might only see the difference with their light cone in niche scenarios. FF being easiest character to use is also a benefit she has (although I personally don't like this type of character) Or a scenario like this triple boss where FF doing blast damage shows her advantage and Boothill going against a boss with big toughness bar will show his advantage while at the same time not having any trash mob will show his issue at E0.
@@peak1824 last time I had that issue I used aventurine to do a basic attack on the trash mob so Boothill could kill it Other than that and getting LC or E1 does his Boothill have good atk and crit rate crit damage? Those can also help with killing the enemy. Or making ruan mei go first with vonvaq so she has ult up although I think everyone does this assuming your friend does it aswell Making gala faster than Boothill so he gets his ult (if no RM LC he should probably use a skill to get the ult with ER rope but probably basic is fine if the set bonus also gives ER) Then when it's Boothills turn skill on one of the mobs then ult with gala enemy breaks and u skill again with Boothill to kill the broken enemy Should work fine.
just for toughness dmg and break dmg, boothil is indeed better. But FF can beat 3 enemies in 1 turn and use skill to add fire weakness, and no need to waste 2 turns to get 3 badges... all these of FF are better than Boothil😂
I know, he has been my first limited healer and has been serving me well for so long, even if he just heals. But his shortcomings are becoming more apparent.
The guy who called the Boothill Firefly team Woody and Buzz was a genius
HOLY THATS TRUE HAHAHA
nice!
Thats so funny
My guess is that Seele is simply better suited to full Harmony team than other DPS. Also, given that Seele's usage rate is rather low in this chart, the only people who were playing her are very likely hyper invested into her with near perfect setup.
Sparkle kinda enables her optimal playstyle, which I feel like people don't take into account because she was released a year earlier. In this MoC in particular Seele getting to use skill almost every fast forward is a big win.
Exactly I main seele and I have full on mono quantum w fu xuan sw and sparkle lol :'3 at the same time im fully f2p tho
seele negative edged herself back to the top???
She always has been
yeah if u get E6 S5
@@HotPepperLalanot needed, but pop off
@@HotPepperLala seele e6s6 is shit if it compared to e6s6 new gen2.0 dps
@@BillyTheKeitz yeah no shit. But we aren't talking about gen2.0 dps. Jing Yuan is a 1.0 DPS.
after a year and a half, seele is still waiting for her retirement to be approved, which is nice
every hsr anniversary is a seele anniversary ☠️
jade's easiest enemies to beat are a bunch of small, low hp quantum-weak mobs, next to one big hp poll boss in pure fiction??
seems like seele's playing ground to me
Seele existing and being great for PF definitely hurts Jade's pull value a lot
had to play this video at 1.5 speed
I'd like to believe that everyone complaining about him speaking too fast is a tiktok zoomer who watches every video at 1.5x already lmao
@@samsemy6825or we’re busy and we just want to watch a bit faster especially when it is an informative type of vid
I watch it at 1.75x because his videos are so long and lots of yapping
@@s2wuolf508 I mean I get it, I'm just saying that everyone specifically complaining about it is just too terminally tiktok brained that they'd rather complain about it than just lower the fucking speed
even 1.5 seems slow somehow
None of this should be surprising tbh, this has been known to the 0-cycle community for a long time, Seele has the highest damage throughput if you need to do a lot of damage in the least amount of action value, it doesn't matter how good the damage multiplier on Acheron is if Acheron needs so many action value just to ult, unless they superbuff the def/hp or add quantum immunity or something on the boss, Seele will just kill everything before Acheron can even get her stacks up, hence to a skilled player Seele will simply kill things much faster than Acheron
Xolze approves it…
“FF could never 😂”
@@discreaminant well ff literally could never soooo
@@mistlight479 they are slowly releasing mechanics which counter seele, the moment a choir/aventurine rotation comes seele will be screwed(along with half the player base)
@@georgezhang1573 only boss that counter seele are the choirs. Back when we had aventurine moc 12, seele 0 cycled with a sustain (gallagher) at 4 gold cost
@@bewitted1169 adding more cost will help, but moc gains more hp every patch. The next time aventurine comes back he’ll have 30% more hp and likely won’t have as good of a blessing. It’s not as difficult of a counter as the choir, but seele will definitely have issues with future aventurine, especially since entering the dice phase basically loses the run.
not surprising tbh considering seele works best when she runs no sustain, and no sustain means you need to clear in 0-1 cycles
great take!
What would be seeles best team without fu xuan?
@@YachiiI think it would be Seele, Sparkle/Bronya, Tingyun, and Silver Wolf
Also one thing that I have always said but ppl dislike is that her kit is designed in a way that when she hits specific breakpoints in dmg her performance dramatically changes. When you couple that with spd I feel like ppl don’t understand how strong that combo is. The thing with Seele is she will never hit as hard as the top dps units, but she will hit way more often than them. So even though her individual hits aren’t as heavy, her frequency of atks makes her deceptively strong.
@@Thunder12o994 Its not for 0 cycles if thats what ur refering too
Seele disappeared among the sea of butterflies, and is now illusion of the present.
26:56 the reason is because for Seele almost every team has cleared in 6.07 cycles (2.7%/3.8%) she is quite consistent and only used by highly skilled players, she has decently high ceiling at high investment. Acheron in turn is used by everyone and their mom, so % of low investment Acheron tams is much higher.
Edit: ok it still doesn't add up, Seele average clears are less then her fastest clear team, this is impossible result, so there is definitely an error
need minumum amout of sample for it to appear ( they don’t add more decimals so it can’t go lower than 0.1% )
The amount of boothill players that have skill issue is insane ICANT
a travesty of skill
"Sips malt juice" Idk. I 1 cycled Argenti with Boothill. Just one shoot him twice. Dont understand why people are having an issue.
@mikhailismaelsanchezdejesu2942 the problem probably lies in people not knowing when to use his ultimate
The seele kara-cancel tech is CRAZYYYYYYT
A great example of what selection bias is
frfr
I mean Genshin is the same. You see the same 4 characters every usage rate.
Why would you select something else when what you have build and geared clears?
@@resolvedfate1295 to be fair in genshin it's is a nightmare to build a new character
Finally, CN Seele investors gets it about how good she is, when u max invest her. No Quantum weakness content also. Xolze gonna be like I told you so, while being edgy.
That seele on top is a single chinese guy who has seele e6s1 with 200/200 crit ratio.
Same can be said to other dps listed there as the list allows any eindolons on characters.
What haters think bro seele is consistent in dmg overall u can’t go wrong abt building her that is why
throughout hsr moc history seele was the most efficient event dps on average in terms of lowest party cost(amount of legendaries), apart from last boss that aoe chars have x3 damage on you can find 0cyc seele clears videos on yt on every moc version
@@quantumify2001 Seele isnt consistent. She needs overkill damage in order to kill fast enough with resurgence procs. That means that as content got harder she now NEEDS to be with extremely good relics stats and team. Anyone trying to build her without having that already is going to be very disappointed.
For every one guy with E6 Seele, there's probably 5 more with E6 Acheron
Does anyone even use a super break team without Ruan Mei?
Just use a super break team and not use Ruan Mei although rip your dmg
You can use Welt to edging enemies
I substitute for pela if i need ruan mei on 2nd team, but yea you normally always use her
Yes I have using Silver Wolf or Asta in certain situations
I don't want/need RM, my super break clears content just fine
Bruh, I'm a boothill user and he took 3 cycles to clear Argenti boss in MOC12 . I'm genuinely surprised.
My E0S0 FireFly clear Moc12 with 1 cycle, I guess Argenti boss will cost 2 cycles for FF.
@@JuJackson-dq2bf my team doesn't have a bronya buddy . If I had bronya it would have been a perfect zero cycle.
@@Thivesh_ Good. Bronya works well with Boothil.
Ive done 1 cycle with a sustain last moc and this time i had to take him in side 1 it was still a 3 cycle (i dont even remember why i did that)
Amount of skill issue people have is crazy
I just cheked
No trash mob in side 2
Makes sense why i didn't
In Boothill's defense 2nd half has 0 mobs so Boothill takes much longer to get working
It’s cause seele users hyper invest into her whilst popular dps’ like firefly and acheron have users who don’t put that much effort into them seele also has a really high ceiling for 0 cycling and doesn’t need much ramping unlike firefly who needs to break the enemy and acheron who needs to build stacks for her ultimate
Mr. Pokke from yap into asmr, is truly arc redemption 🗿
man all the boothill users in that CN tier list are absolute dogshirt because he's literally one of the easiest unit to zero cycle this moc even without ruan mei like omg 😭
The issue is that it’s very easy to build a dogshit boothill and still clear because he does so much toughness damage and has delay on the ult, meaning you won’t take much damage. So the good boothill users are just being diluted by the mass of really bad boothill users. You can see that all of the slowest teams are boothill teams.
The problem is the ease of use between firefly and boothill is so huge. a good boothill player can decide who to target first and nuke later on. a bad boothill player would mess up so bad because they didn't get his stacks quick enough or target the wrong mob. Whereas a Firefly player good or bad can just do whatever and not suffer as much even if it was not the optimal play.
THIS. I nearly one cycled first try with Boothill after throwing on some random good thief sets I got from weekly bosses. If you can spare Bronya or Sparkle on his side he does not even need Ruan Mei, the boss is dead if Boothill gets a single turn on them while they are broken.
Yeah but most of them also have Firefly and they share teammates so you can only really use one unless you use them on the same team lol
seele on the top because no seele main use her wrong like the other character in gayshit teamcomp, which is slow , so for the average individual of seele is number 1, the other reason is .... seele can only clear the moc fast because when player fail to clear it fast, they dont clear it because she can only be used in glass canon team , so only the fast clear got submited
English please
@@critanddam9031 tried my best 😂
@@critanddam9031 Translation: Seele main have all the strats down for her, relics built for her, probably even Eidolons gotten for her, and submit clears only when their ego allows them to. Meanwhile everyone else can vary from being used by the biggest of scrubs to the sweatiest of sweats.
@@critanddam9031 firefly getting used by noob: clears in 10 cycles, drags average down
Seele getting used by noob: dies, no clear submitted, doesn’t drag average down
@@BocchiTheBox we’ll see les eidolons are all horrible so it wouldn’t even make a difference
The first dps that built in with res pen trough her kit after acheron. At e0
Wind Dan Heng also have res pen in his kit more than Seele or Acheron.
@@kennethyoung7457 wind pen
Negative edging to this rn
I love this as a Seele main since the start
proud to be still using seele 🔥🔥🔥（i dont have a lot of dps’s)
I think watching the top place is good statistic for good team combo. Watching the worst does not mean a thing. Some people are bad at team combo and maybe some play on auto. I did Argenti with Boothill. When you run auto Boothill on Argenti the AI starts to attack the shields which is way slower.
yeah, bto's bad performance may comes from auto players.
27:45 doesn’t take a mathematician to correct you here. If Seele’s fastest team is 6+ cycles she can’t have a 5.71 average. Something definitely went haywire in their compiler or some other human error occurred. Also yes the first half is a joke for Firefly even without the trotter so it’s natural that she crushing the competition. I’ll be interested to see how she does against a “more neutral opponent if I can say so myself” 😂 I believe she’ll still be near the top until we have toughness lock on both sides, which probably won’t happen any time soon.
That simply means she is used in many different teams that each fast clear team doesn't have 200+ usage and therefore not showing up. Given total usage is around 500, it is normal that most of her team won't show up.
@@kenchen1351 yes that is the only possibilty that would allow for the statistics to be correct, but it's so unlikely that I didn't bother to bring it up.
@@bjornnilsson2941 It was in video: If number of records is less than 200, then it won't show up. It was also in video that total number of Seele's record is 500-ish. The video also shows a character usually have more than 3 teams.
With all above, you come to the conclusion that her teams are likely have more than 200 records to show up.
@@kenchen1351 if that's the case they should have a higher cut off for characters to show up and not just the teams. That's incredibly misleading. You could have like 10 Arlan mains retrying for a week to 0 cycle and suddenly he's the best unit in the game according to the statistics. Still not sure I believe that Seele has 3 teams that between them outperform every other DPS, occam's razor is that there was a problem with the data. I get that the sample size is low and only dedicated mains would play her, but that leaves the question of why Jing Yuan's records are so dismal. If anyone is dedicated it's them.
@@bjornnilsson2941 I mean JY simply has a much lower ceiling than Seele, this is common knowledge (maybe you could argue otherwise with super break). I agree the data still seems fishy though.
March 7th is like A tier in this MoC. I got 12 stars in no small part thx to her.
skill issue should just .75 spd if can't keep up 🗿 1:22
that Ren Kuromi Seele
That's the first person who came to mind lolmao
@@JunaTirzahNah, it's xolze
@@Yoru... both, tbh
black swan kafka is still my most favourite team its so comfy but yeah firefly feels really good kinda makes me second guess going for acheron on the rerun
Okay so I speed it up at the beginning for “Normal Pokke” speed, then in 2 minutes the video turned into a HSR version of Rap God 😂
haha, Rapper Pokke
I genuinely love this dudes accent so much
Shocked but not surprised, my e0s1 seele cleared argenti in 3 cycles, pretty much double the speed my Acheron took
glad to see old 1.X DPS still doing well!
didnt you see jing yuan at the bottom only seele doing wellmy guy well he was always in the bottom anyways
I have always used my Seele since I started, as long as it doesnt need AOE she can do it especially with mono quantum
break feels like hyperbloom when it fist came out. IT was everywhere
legit no joke 1.5 is quite literally exactly the same speed as his normal speed
what hilarious is i just watched a video of someone 0 cycling argenti with hyper carrying boothill
Can tou tell me who did it
I wanna see how they did it
@@IlyaV2 ruclips.net/video/B6fVSq-dvQ4/видео.html he did it without a lc on boothill and he does have eidolohs on other characters but if you have an lc on boothill you should still work fairly well with out the amount of eidolons he had on some
@@IlyaV2 i got mixed up he doesnt 0 cycle
@@Twigggggy it's fine I just wanted to see how others do it this moc
Since not having any trash mob was so weird for me I just put him in side 1
Edit: just watched the video I think it was a 0 cycle since he started in cycle 26 and finished the fight before cycle 25 started
186 SPD on Boothill is also possible for me Time to test stuff
Finally glad YT decided to add a 2.0 speed
Seele is a TOP tier DPS when she Crits 💀💀
Your Seele doesn't have 200 speed, 100% crit rate, 300% crit damage and 4k attack? Just roll better.
@@Zer0Hour17 : Yes, I need to Roll better like THE RANK ONE F2P PLAYER Mr. Pokke🗣🗣
Cn bros have something cooked, I want to see some Seele runs
Well time to build seele again ig
"mr pokke yaps way too fast"
me: watching in 1.25x spd all the time
I watch on 2x 💀
@@smolbeans7 If you watch Pokke at 2x speed your brain must be build different 🤣
@@smolbeans7 you probably hear eminem rap god like any normal song xD
bro is speaking with attack boots on
How do they make Seele work like that? Mine does 0 damage. Do I have to negative edge and kara cancel?
E0S1 Seele with 80/200 Crit Ratio, and E2S1 Sparkle I guess😢
@@JuJackson-dq2bfi think that is e0s1 only .. look i can gurantee you my seele e0s1 with triple support e0s1 deal 500k ult,150k skill (if she crit) .. so if someone have ways better gear than me they could deal way higher .. my support also not max trace ..
So if i have e2 sparkle,e1 ruan mei or any support that have crack edilion i probably be able to deal crazy dmg
@@testingabc6207 Seele works by getting 2x as many ults and many more skills than other DPSs, 500k ult with her kit seems hard to believe frankly, that would be stronger than a 1 mil Acheron ult
bro this is average numbers. the tally will only show upper bound, upper values when it is specifically mentioned or required. that one fast Seele clear maybe one of the few recorded clears and the tally just tabulated the average numbers.
The more I watch the video the more confused i am with those Boothill clears
This is going to be a looooong video
As someone who has both FF and booty cheeks, it’s hard to prioritise him when Ruan Mei, HMC and Gallagher compliment her way better 🥲
BH will have much higher usage once his team members stop competing with FF as much.
Hoyo had to prep all the Acheron players and make them think they "need" JQ lol
It is crazy that seele is on the top, while boothill is the strongest hunt dps right now
The explaining you gave about Seele could be correct however, seeles fastest team is at 6.xx while seeles average speed is 5.71 which doesnt add up, the fastest team should be faster and the slowest speed should be slower (basic maths)
minimum sample size ( need atleast 200 for 0.1% to appear on the list )
it’s so easy to point that out why people just forgot about it
Seele comps have at least 6 variations that can clear the MoC, with 2 that I can think of that are meant to do fast clears with proper investment (0-1 cycles average ,2 cycles max), the mono quantum in that list is the only comp that has reached 200 clears which is used for consistency and comfort not for fast clears.
Jing Yuan has been so low for so long even his mains don't bother defending him anymore lol
What's there to defend? They clear the moc 12 just fine. Tier list just usually favors newer characters anyway. This goes for all gacha games. Only insecure people need to validate themselves to feel good about themselves. This is a PVE game so just beating all the contents with characters that they like is fine. Why be a sheep a follow what others are doing. Also didn't this community bully all the Jing Yuan mains here? I doubt almost any Jing Yuan mains watch this channel. For me, I just pull any characters that I like and use them, that includes Jing Yuan. Sometimes I use meta team and sometimes I don't. It's not like I couldn't clear contents because I used Jing Yuan.
@@7Clover They used to pretend he was one of the best dps even tho everyone kinda knew he wasn't. Now that there's been tons of data that contradicts they way they felt about him, they stopped caring. Jing Yuan mains were very common in the comments and their reddit used to argue with Pokke and others. I knew this would eventually happen the second I noticed they avoided posting some data that made him look bad.
Jing Yuan mains actually still think he’s good because they are biased lol (even tho his dmg is closer to serval than acheron)
@@sct77 When I pulled him I thought of him as an aoe character that can also be decent against boss. Like obviously he got power crept but I also didn't understand why people shit on him when he can clear contents fine. Is he the best,no? But he isn't like the worst. I have seen people just attack a person just because they use a certain character. I mean there are bad apples among each mains, not just Jing Yuan. That doesn't give excuse to treat others horribly. I have seen some terrible actions from not just Jing Yuan mains but others as well. This is same for like Genshin community as well. At the end of the day though data is useless because everyone has different investment, skills, and character pools. I used to play card games competitively and for those meta mattered, but I find it idiotic to see people argue and attack people over what's best in a pve game. For fun sure, but anything other than that and attacking others are stupid. To me, a character is only bad if they can't beat the endgame content with a proper team and investment.
@@7Clover tbh it’s mostly bc jing yuan mains are in denial
you call blade mid in front of blade mains they don’t care they know he’s mid
you call acheron mid in front of acheron mains they don’t care they know she’s good
Jingyuan mains take it personally because they know he’s ass but don’t want to admit it.
Amazing vid as always MrPokke my king
Btw can I please have the music name for 11:33 as it reminded me of someone ty!
8:54 mihomo is crazy. 😂
I had to put three video to 1.5 speed to hear pokke clearly
Im honestly surprised that anyone would be surprised that the waifu that goes ungabunga skill spam win, is used more than the male hunt unit where you have to actually think for half a second about what you are about to do.
I do like fireflies AoE over boothills single target.
3 enemies in 1 turn🎉
Reason boot hill isn’t used is bc he needs the same characters as firefly
Yay Ruan Mei at top again. Truly the best unit in the game.
she can work well with almost every team
A generalist,break,dot buffer. What was hoyo thinking. All I know the harmony character that powercreeps her will be insane
How do they track the average cycle clear? the only cycle clear you can see in game is the complete run so both teams together.
What the name of the site?
Actually, I managed to clear choir within 4 cycles (26 Cycles Left) using SuperBreak Boothill, somehow someway, idk
I used Boothill superbreak team on current MOC12's first side and it took me 3 cycles. In his and FF's MOC it took me one cycle to clear first side with Boothill. What are these CN Boothill mains on about😂
u must admit that many players dont know or care about how to clear so fast like that. For boothil mains, they use him. That's enough.😂
bruh, this stat is both sides combine and also on average
The enemies are tailored made to sell firefly it's kinda bs
boothill isn't a superbreaker unit not sure why he keeps calling him one
cuz thats where most of his damage comes from? lol
@@Adan.2005 it doesn’t tho? He deals break dmg nothing in his kit revolves around super break. You need hmc just for Boothill to do any.
4:32 trust I used boothill on ever stage and 0 cycled them all he’s performing great
i have a question: how much is it worth to reinforce a team (so pulling for the rerun of the characters to get either the eidolons or the lightcones) instead of pulling new characters from scratch?
I have managed to complete two whole teams:
The first one made of Firefly, Ruan Mei, Gallager, and Harmony MC
The second one made of Acheron, SW, Pela and Aventurine
So since these two teams can go basically againts everything in the game since they are very versatile, i was wondering if i should stop totally to pull for new characters, and just save everything to obtain the eidolons or LC (prioritizing Firefly and Acheron first) of these characters instead.
Is it a safe thing to do? Or is it just dumb and i should not do it?
@@lordzeref8175 generally the powercreep is slow enough that investing in current characters more is better than pulling for new characters for increasing your raw damage. However, new characters also brings more versatility so you won’t get countered by one specific type of enemy. One compromise is investing in supports, which improves both current and future characters. Notably, ruan mei e1 is about as good as firefly e1 for that team, and can be used with other teams as well.
at the end of the day, e2 Acheron will always be good, e2 firefly will always be good, but new character will most likely in the future eventually become better than Acheron and firefly, so just pull for either characters who u think are fun, or eidolons if you want to have a future proof team
@@georgezhang1573 As supports i have Harmony MC E6, Tingyun E6, Ruan mei E0S0 and Bronya E1S0 on my account, so if i can get an Acheron E2 in the future i can swap out either SW or Pela for Bronya i suppose.
Either way, the only character i wanted to pull before investing everything in the reruns was the new fire healer in 2.5 for the Firefly team.
All i wanted to know is if it's a good option to reinforce an already enstablished team instead of constatly pulling the new stuff (since the content Hoyo will made will be around the new characters of course).
But if you're telling me that it's actually the better thing to do, then i will follow this route 100%, thank you very much 😁
You probably need another DPS Incase a boss that disables weakness break shows up
@@MrcreeperDXD777We still have 2 different sides, it is not will changes so much for FF
Mr pokke speaking 🍷🍷🍷
I have an idea on how to beat Cocolia now, I'm going to triple buff and railgun her with my Seele
what site is this?
no website but an app on Wechay mini program.
Is Gallagher really that good? Guess I’ll build him.
yeah,my E6 Gallagher is as good as 5 star healer.🎉🎉🎉
But here is a problem : for characters who rarely attack enemies, he needs to use skill to heal them.
Boothill this low is because Hoyo decided to put 2 elites with no trash mobs on 1st wave
The pro-powercreep doomers are in shambles after this one...seele is absolutely broken by typical turn based games standards for sure purely based on design and will continue to cook for a while but cause hsr is a gacha eventually she will be phased out purely based on enemy stats and mechanics. Unless if they pull off a hi3rd and release newer limited LCs that are specific to these older units to bring em back up. Unlikely to happen tho.
Didn't this happen with Himeko through JY's LC tho?
@blancka4200 hemiko's rise in popularity is cause the game kept adding things, be it character, enemies, or gamemodes that she can shine with more than ever. On top of that, the playerbase finally pulled their head out of their ass and started to understand how a character can have nuance and isn't just about raw numbers, so they played her more.
JY lc is great ofc, but it's been around since 1.0, and hemiko only recently started to be appreciated as she should've been.
The hi3rd weapons have specific character buffs...in the case of hsr a newer lc would be something like "if hemiko weakness breaks an enemy they recover twice as fast and take the same break dmg every turn after recovery and also increases her BE by x amount per enemy broken up to y stacks"
That's more like what hi3rd does, not just universal strong buffs.
Keep carrying me Seele, I need to save up for that E6 Gilgamesh
Seeeelee!!!... In heart... together with Bronya)
Unrelated question but how you get past the "spend the day at your own pace" part of zzz's main quest? Ive been stuck there for a few days
That's the same as ''to be continued''. No more further story untill next update.
Oh. Merci beaucoup
How you 8 cycle argenti with boothill? is he naked? LOL
motivated to get seele lc rn
Is this me or why is qingque is missing on the tier list?????
it doesn't be shown on the average clear list because the usage rate is so low at 1.3%.
As a comparasion, Gui is shown up to 5.6% usage.
@@JuJackson-dq2bf soo arlan has more usage than qingque?
E0s1 81/192 benched in my acc same for my e0s1 blade 99/199 benched too 😭
so you are telling me that seele swap back swap back her self too top of the meta again and negative edged on the moc like the old days?! Genuinely interesting
I don't know man, I prefer the hyperspeed yapping. It adds personality😅
Thank you for playing hsr ( Honkai Star RuanMei)
15:55 jingyuan being the lowest is just not true
me as jignyuan main got 0 cycles and i believe in my mates can also be😭
I have to put X2 speed to actually be comfortable and be able to understand his yap
Please yap faster MrPokke
should make the music louder tbh , still can hear mr pokke
i really dont get the boothill’s score. i dont have him bc i have no strong feeling ab him nor do i dislike him, but is he support/lc reliant? bc ppl around me tend to say that he’s the king of 0C and the better firefly and all that (no hate to her too) but it’s just too contradictory
He doesn't really need his light cone (although 60% BE and 20% def ignore and 12% speed is crazy good its not necessary)
And is less reliant on ruan mei than firefly (might feel wierd to use if his first basic dosnt break+kill instantly)
And in fastest clears he managed to be faster than firefly
So idont even know wtf happened
@@IlyaV2 i disagree with this one if it he with his lc and ruanmei then yes he slightly faster than firefly but without nah he alot harder to play and have to reset many time like my friend did .
@@peak1824 yeah his light cone adding around 30% damage to his breaks is crazy good like I said but not necessary.
I think the light cone will make a big difference for you if you are struggling to kill the first mob in one turn. I can definitely see that being the case for your friend or he had the issue of not having a trash mob to kill in side 2 which now that I think about it E1 is better in a scenario like this you'll miss on 60BE 4% Def ignore and some speed but having the 1 stack at the start of battle means you always will kill the trash mob and you dont have that much issues if theres no trash mob to kill.
Maybe I should get his E1 instead of the light cone on his rerun.....
Anyways I got distracted you're right both FF and BH are so close that you might only see the difference with their light cone in niche scenarios.
FF being easiest character to use is also a benefit she has (although I personally don't like this type of character)
Or a scenario like this triple boss where FF doing blast damage shows her advantage and Boothill going against a boss with big toughness bar will show his advantage while at the same time not having any trash mob will show his issue at E0.
@@IlyaV2 yes that my friend case he have ruan but dont have his lc so he cant one shot trash mob to get stack fast enough before boss killing he
@@peak1824 last time I had that issue I used aventurine to do a basic attack on the trash mob so Boothill could kill it
Other than that and getting LC or E1
does his Boothill have good atk and crit rate crit damage?
Those can also help with killing the enemy.
Or making ruan mei go first with vonvaq so she has ult up although I think everyone does this assuming your friend does it aswell
Making gala faster than Boothill so he gets his ult (if no RM LC he should probably use a skill to get the ult with ER rope but probably basic is fine if the set bonus also gives ER)
Then when it's Boothills turn skill on one of the mobs then ult with gala enemy breaks and u skill again with Boothill to kill the broken enemy
Should work fine.
Wow many people use sparkle with acheron, is she really good with acheron?
If you have E2 or higher yes. If you don’t I’d say no unless you want to go sustainless.
@@mp9104 is it not possible use sparkle with E2 acheron?
Boothill is so low on usage rate bc people who own both him and firefly took him out of his best team for firefly
Me owning (E2) Firefly and genuinely not using her, and rather using Himeko 😀
MoC side one favors FF so you either use FF on side one or BH on side 2…
Its over, my seele is so gutted
i remember some people says that boothil is better than firefly, didnt age well
just for toughness dmg and break dmg, boothil is indeed better.
But FF can beat 3 enemies in 1 turn and use skill to add fire weakness, and no need to waste 2 turns to get 3 badges... all these of FF are better than Boothil😂
Even tho i hate boothill but in single boss fight boothill is definitely better .. i seen him 1 shot boss in moc before Soo
@@testingabc6207 yeah, he's actually the hunt unit.
You're right, it doesn't add up cause the fastest clear team is slower than average. Straight up Seele propaganda
so thats why this vid is half an hour long 🗿🗿🗿
I feel bad for my boy luocha but the fact of the matter is that after lingsha he will never be used again im just gonna keep it a buck
I know, he has been my first limited healer and has been serving me well for so long, even if he just heals. But his shortcomings are becoming more apparent.
@@mp9104 RIP to the homie
His neutral pace is just as neutral as his takes